Speaking of Walmart, has anyone visited the Supercenter out by Sam's Club in Holland? The grand opening was 7am today.
posted by MrsPhoenix at 10:31 A.M. EST on Wed Jul 19, 2006 #
For years I felt guilty for shopping at Target because it's french owned. Now I don't feel so bad about it.
posted by MikeyA at 10:40 A.M. EST on Wed Jul 19, 2006 #
This boycott reminds me of that silly Christian Coalition boycott of Disney World over some gay issue.
posted by politics_in_mudville at 10:55 A.M. EST on Wed Jul 19, 2006 #
That's a very mixed message. Being independent and aggressive and mandating quotas? WTH.
A boycott is a very serious matter (well it used to be). If there is evidence that Target has acted discriminately with regard to their suppliers - a boycott might be a consideration.
But this man is calling for a boycott of a company because Taget didn't answer his letter to his satisfaction. Not because of an accusation of discrimination. That's just an abusive control tactic.
To call for boycotts on matters such as this just trivializes them. And makes them ineffective.
posted by katie82640 at 11:08 A.M. EST on Wed Jul 19, 2006 #
Yeah, and didn't they boycott the army over allowing wiccans and satanists from joining? And then there was some boycott on Ford cars for "committing to the homosexual agenda".
And then there was that idiot who wanted to boycott WSPD's sponsers....oh, wait a minute....damn...
posted by pink_slip at 11:08 A.M. EST on Wed Jul 19, 2006 #
What really gets me...is the NAACP believes there is a "QUAOTA" that companies must abide...as per say who they hire...
I had thought the GOAL of the NAACP is "EQUAL RIGHTS"...their policy seems to be in my opinion "WE ARE OWED"...
Good for Target...NOT allowing the tactics that are used to BULLY them into who they should hire!
Yes, let's shop at Target!
posted by MARIELORA at 11:11 A.M. EST on Wed Jul 19, 2006 #
Disney, ??? Cars - homosexuals?
What in the world??? Somebody forget their meds? Target. Say it with me Target....I knew you could.
posted by katie82640 at 11:11 A.M. EST on Wed Jul 19, 2006 #
Screw Bruce Gordon and the NAACP. Quotas=racism, plain and simple.
Organizations like that are just racism packaged up politically correct.
posted by JeepMaker at 12:40 P.M. EST on Wed Jul 19, 2006 #
The NAACP causes more racism than it prevents or deters. It's stuff like this that makes white people look at the blacks and wonder what in the world they are thinking!
posted by fequalsma73 at 03:00 P.M. EST on Wed Jul 19, 2006 #
The NAACP causes more racism than it prevents or deters. It's stuff like this that makes white people look at the blacks and wonder what in the world they are thinking!
Ouch!!! posted by fequalsma73 at 04:00 P.M. EDT on Wed Jul 19, 2006 #
I had always thought Martin Luther King's dream was to see Black and White together...al long as there such things as "Leaders" making comment as..."quotas"..."help came slow..." we will NEVER live that dream he so much had for all of us...
SAD...
posted by MARIELORA at 03:42 P.M. EST on Wed Jul 19, 2006 #
It was alot of people's dream Marie. It's funny -I spoke to my Mom about a week ago. She and my Dad have a story to tell. She has been after me to write - but she's a very good writer and has a story that has never been told.
They lived in Baltimore, MD when they first encountered 'block busters'. That should be a book in itself. They organized a community program that put an end to the real estate discrimination - and it was utilized in many place over many years :-)
Then a radio show and they moved around, encountering racism in alot of different places and in many ways. Our house was threatened, people went to jail for demonstrating and of course, threatening my Dad's employment was a standard tactic.
I guess that's why the racist makes me so frustrated. All the years that so many people made sacrifices.
In my Mom's words - she said that they did it because it was unconscionable that people did not have equal standing. That was it.
They wanted all of us to have equal opportunity. They just wanted everybody to have the same chance to fail or succeed under their own steam. She did say it disgusted her whenever she heard race used as a crutch or an excuse.
:-) I told her they should write their story down. So that people wouldn't forget what happened.
posted by katie82640 at 03:49 P.M. EST on Wed Jul 19, 2006 #
Yes, -katie-she should write her story...
We have forgotten what the real struggle was...it was EQUALITY...
Not...to be OWED...not to use race as a CRUTCH, EXCUSE through life...
To be treated EQUAL...
I don't believe Martin Luther King would like very much like the TACTICS USED...
posted by MARIELORA at 03:56 P.M. EST on Wed Jul 19, 2006 #
Dancing around the edges of racism here.
posted by politics_in_mudville at 04:03 P.M. EST on Wed Jul 19, 2006 #
politics in mudville dances on the edges of racism? Not good friend.
Equality - for the record is not racism. It is equality. And that's what the struggle was for and that's what we accept - nothing less.
posted by katie82640 at 04:09 P.M. EST on Wed Jul 19, 2006 #
NAACP-Their tactics are gone by the wayside. The leaders are still using methods which were effective during the 60's in the South, but are old school now. They need new leadership which consentrates on education and family values.
The blacks in this country are being raised by grandparents and single moms. The black man has to realize that to be a man is not having sex with every girl that is willing to give it up.
Zip up your zipper and get an education.
I assume i will be labeled as a raciest,which I am not, but sometime one has to spew the truth.
posted by rooky at 04:17 P.M. EST on Wed Jul 19, 2006 #
The black man has to realize that to be a man is not having sex with every girl that is willing to give it up.
Zip up your zipper and get an education
What a fucking load of shit. Don't you have a cross to burn somewhere? I hope you choke on your white hood.
posted by pink_slip at 04:40 P.M. EST on Wed Jul 19, 2006 #
And it is. 8^)
posted by Darkseid at 04:42 P.M. EST on Wed Jul 19, 2006 #
The blacks in this country are being raised by grandparents and single moms. The black man has to realize that to be a man is not having sex with every girl that is willing to give it up.
This relates to boycotting Target in WHAT WAY...
posted by MARIELORA at 04:46 P.M. EST on Wed Jul 19, 2006 #
I don't believe Martin Luther King would like very much like the TACTICS USED
Question for ya:
At the 50th anniversary of the Brown vs. Board of Education decision that paved the way for integrated schools, Bill Cosby made some now famous (or INfamous) comments Im sure we all are familiar with. In your opinion, which of the following would support them?
A: The NAACP
B: Martin Luther King
C: Jessie Jackson
There's been silence from all three so far, but MLK gets a pass...
posted by billy at 05:25 P.M. EST on Wed Jul 19, 2006 #
billy=hilarious
posted by fequalsma73 at 05:37 P.M. EST on Wed Jul 19, 2006 #
Heyyyyyy now...Bill Cosby may have been making commentary on HIS culture - but we've got problems all the way around. You've got to admit the wedding planners are hurting....
posted by katie82640 at 08:37 P.M. EST on Wed Jul 19, 2006 #
"NAACP-Their tactics are gone by the wayside. The leaders are still using methods which were effective during the 60's in the South, but are old school now. They need new leadership which consentrates on education and family values.
The blacks in this country are being raised by grandparents and single moms. The black man has to realize that to be a man is not having sex with every girl that is willing to give it up.
Zip up your zipper and get an education.
I assume i will be labeled as a raciest,which I am not, but sometime one has to spew the truth".
==============================================
Sounds harsh, but frankly I think you're absolutely correct.
posted by JeepMaker at 08:43 P.M. EST on Wed Jul 19, 2006 #
rooky said: "The blacks in this country are being raised by grandparents and single moms. The black man has to realize that to be a man is not having sex with every girl that is willing to give it up. Zip up your zipper and get an education. I assume i will be labeled as a raciest,which I am not, but sometime one has to spew the truth."
This is not racist since it is a social observation. I'm sure you've already noted that it's not exclusive to the Black community. I'm not Black, yet I lived under the social restriction outlined. (What's a "father"? I've never known.) Many Whites are living under this regime as we speak. Family fragmentation is a terrible thing no matter which race it affects disproportionately.
As for the NAACP, I feel quite strongly that it has long dis-served Black communities as many so-called examples of "Black leadership" have done. NAACP officers seem quite content to carry their business cards and rack up charges on their expense accounts, while Black communities suffer too much from the near-fatal combination of racial discrimination and preferential treatment.
But those factors only bring up the larger point. The NAACP's mission is essentially done. The National Association for the Advancement of Colored Peoples (how that for a feat of memory?) has advanced "colored people" as far as they can go ... within the far larger construct and problem of CLASS DISCRIMINATION. Class (or financial) discrimination is a tsunami which has wiped away most racial concerns, for those who are honest about the topic. Once employers started making a credit check a standard prerequisite for employment, a gaping maw of unfairness and overall inapplicability opened up under the poor and middle class (i.e. the "working class"). Blacks not suffering from racism today are ALMOST CERTAINLY suffering from being turned down for jobs for their personal financial condition.
Remember, slavery and segregation were perfectly legal in their time, but they were moral crimes just the same. Financial discrimination is the civil-rights issue of our time -- we just don't know that as a society, yet.
posted by GuestZero at 09:49 P.M. EST on Wed Jul 19, 2006 #
Stating a social trend is not racism. Identifying social issues is not racism.
We have two absent fathers in my family - both caucasion. One has had children with two women. This particular problem is not constricted by race. It is widely experienced by children of all race and social circumstance.
And it's just as wrong everywhere it happens. Course, the children are the ones that suffer.
posted by katie82640 at 01:23 P.M. EST on Thu Jul 20, 2006 #
The comment made was greater than a social observance...
It was RACIEST as comment was made of Black Men, Women's morals... exclusively ...
I am a single parent...there was very little involvement of my daughter's father, financially...and...I am WHITE...
I felt comment made was totally out of line...
posted by MARIELORA at 02:17 P.M. EST on Thu Jul 20, 2006 #
I'm going to shop at Target tonight after work.
posted by madjack at 03:36 P.M. EST on Thu Jul 20, 2006 #
That's Tarrrrjay to you fella'
posted by katie82640 at 04:01 P.M. EST on Thu Jul 20, 2006 #
I would too, shop at Target tonite...IF there was a Target on this side of town...
With all the construction it is a QUEST to get on the other side of the River...
So...I don't try...except for work...
posted by MARIELORA at 05:11 P.M. EST on Thu Jul 20, 2006 #
Let them call for a boycott if they want. And if people feel enthralled enough with their cause, then they can join them.
I boycott some stores based on having bad service there, in some cases up to 8 years ago. I'm sure that they've improved, but I've gotten used to going to other places. I also boycott some stores based on their political agenda being different than my own. It's my money, and my business. If people think I have a good enough point to join me, good for them.
The NAACP shouldn't be surprised to find out, in their call for a boycott, that people aren't mindless thralls that will do their bidding, but will think for themselves and shop where they want.
It's all about freedom. Freedom for the NAACP to call for a boycott, and freedom for people to ignore them.
posted by timault at 07:44 P.M. EST on Thu Jul 20, 2006 #
I know where there's a shopping center with a target AND a KFC! You could go there and just piss EVERYONE off!!
posted by billy at 07:48 P.M. EST on Thu Jul 20, 2006 #
I know where there's a shopping center with a target AND a KFC! You could go there and just piss EVERYONE off!!
-billy-You bring a smile...BIG SMILE...thank you! :)
posted by MARIELORA at 07:56 P.M. EST on Thu Jul 20, 2006 #
I can't do KFC since I saw the photos of the chickens with the tumors. It completely freaked me out.
I know they cut them off - but still. EEEEEEEEWwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
posted by katie82640 at 09:10 P.M. EST on Thu Jul 20, 2006 #
It's all about freedom. Freedom for the NAACP to call for a boycott, and freedom for people to ignore them.
BRAVO...Well said!!!
posted by MARIELORA at 09:41 P.M. EST on Thu Jul 20, 2006 #
Am I the only person in Toledo who has never once set foot in a Walmart? Never been in one in my life - all too far away to bother with. Target is a great store - maybe not as huge, or varied as Walmart, but an ok store. From what my mom tells me, Walmart is like a huge Meijers - and I hate big stores like that anyway. Waste too much time and money.
posted by starling02 at 11:09 P.M. EST on Thu Jul 20, 2006 #
fequalsma73 said "the NAACP causes more racism than it prevents or deters. It's stuff like this that makes white people look at the blacks and wonder what in the world they are thinking! " ------ I agree, 100 percent.
Ditto marielora - I think Martin L. King would be saddened to see the mindset/attitudes, of both whites and blacks. And I think a lot of blacks have taken his talk of peace to a militant level, that whole gansta mentality is more a smack to his memory I think.
"The blacks in this country are being raised by grandparents and single moms. The black man has to realize that to be a man is not having sex with every girl that is willing to give it up.
Zip up your zipper and get an education.
"I assume i will be labeled as a raciest,which I am not, but sometime one has to spew the truth" says jeepmaker - I agree jeepmaker. Yes, marielora, whites as well as blacks live in this way - but I don't see that statement as a comment on woman's morals at all. The girls who are 'giving it up', black or white, aren't too concerned about their morals anyway - I don't think they care if you defend them or not. Sadly, I see so many girls and single moms - 'giving it up', in the hopes of snagging the man, security, and a daddy for their kids - or just because they are 'give it up girls'. I don't think that's necessarily a racial thing, however - I was downtown a few times in the last couple of week, and there must have been a meeting for a LOT of unwed, very pregnant, young girls - all black. Yes, white girls also 'give it up' and get pregnant too - just curious why no white girls among any of those groups.
posted by starling02 at 11:23 P.M. EST on Thu Jul 20, 2006 #
Just one thought, Where does the NAACP stand on KFC and the Rainforest?
posted by ToledoLatina at 11:50 P.M. EST on Thu Jul 20, 2006 #
-ToledoLatina-I am thinking...the NAACP feels it is GreenPeace's RIGHT to ask questions...demand answers and to BOYCOTT!
Good Question! :)
posted by MARIELORA at 12:03 A.M. EST on Fri Jul 21, 2006 #
-starling-IF said comment wasn't worded as "Black men need to...and the women" I would NOT have felt it was raciest in any form...the way poster worded comment was exclusive to "Black"...
WE have to be very careful how we use words when speaking of issues/race...very careful...
posted by MARIELORA at 12:08 A.M. EST on Fri Jul 21, 2006 #
Meaning careful...as to...NOT OFFEND...
With that I understand -rooky's- comment was intended as the NAACP Leaders have BIGGER ISSUES with their RACE than Target...
posted by MARIELORA at 12:47 A.M. EST on Fri Jul 21, 2006 #
Now these companies will presumably contract with companies that cannot necessarily do the best work at the best price, but who have the right colors in the ownership mix.
I'm not an expert... but when companies such as Target that have a large consumer base in minority communities yet turn around and decline the services of minority-run companies this appears to be...well... not nice to put it mildly. The idea of less qualified vs. best qualified is the biggest misconception regarding quotas. I doubt the NAACP wants them to hire inadequate contractors, however if Target sought exclusively to use seasoned, experienced, established companies...that would inherently exclude minorities because minority owned companies for the most part are recently established --- due in large part to the laws and practices that existed in this country for many many years -- that excluded business ownership by minorities.
So its like the college graduate saying "how can I gain experience if no one will hire me?" Quotas are in a sense reaching out to companies who may not have considered minority owned and operated businesses and exposing them to qualified yet underused talent that exists. By not completing the survey it would appear that Target doesn't care about how they are perceived by one of their largest consumer bases. A "boycott" is an attempt (because they rarely ever work) to have them feel the difference between having minority consumer dollars and not - hopefully causing them to reconsider their stance.
posted by messee at 11:08 P.M. EST on Fri Jul 21, 2006 #
Quotas are wrong, plain and simple.
Think about it this way; Your house is on fire and you're trapped inside. Do you want a fireman to rescue you who was best qualified for the job, or one who was the right color or sex?
posted by JeepMaker at 10:01 A.M. EST on Sat Jul 22, 2006 #
First person through the door, in my eyes, is qualified to save me!
Do you truly believe a group of minorities could assemble in that magnatude to create a vaccuum that big that the company is "forced" to comply these days? The time where a group of minorities, ie: the tomato pickers boycotting Taco Bell, have passed.
This "civil right's" issue, in my humble opinion, has gone on long enough. Hey black people? Get over it, your hispanic population is about to unseat you bunch of crybabies, and unless you figure out how to get along with everybody, the white man is not going to be your only "adversary".
Oh, by the way black people, with such diversity in society, I don't think the NAACP is going to have the "power" it once had to "change procedure". time to re-group, re-evaluate, and re-assign the blame.
Or you can learn to just get along.
posted by BrianInFlorida at 03:15 A.M. EST on Sun Jul 23, 2006 #
Quotas are wrong, plain and simple.
Think about it this way; Your house is on fire and you're trapped inside. Do you want a fireman to rescue you who was best qualified for the job, or one who was the right color or sex?
Or the doctor who treats your child in the ER? Do you want the best qualified person, or someone who couldnt have gotten into med school unless they lowered the admission standards ala U of M?
And if the fireman and doctor examples hold water then, what about the business planner for a corporation? Or for any other business - if America is to be the best it can be, shouldnt we be able to use the best we can get?
Manufacturing is another prime example. Are we really getting the best we can get if hiring is limited to family and friends of people already working there? Where do fresh ideas come from? Or only to people who belong to a certain 'organization'?
posted by billy at 07:04 A.M. EST on Sun Jul 23, 2006 #
-jeepMaker- and -billy- your comments are right on it...
"Quotas" in my opinion...clearly state..."YOU OWE"...
It has to STOP...we have kids entering colleges on low...mind you low C averages...as the school as a "Quota" to make...most of these kids cannot cut the curriculum...thus, drop out...whereas the kid with the grades was left at Community College...why...he was White...it goes with all walks as -billy- at made mention...which brings me to...how many times have we heard..."it's NOT what you know...it's WHO you know"...in this case...IT IS WHAT COLOR YOU ARE...
There is NO WAY...in my opinion..."Quotas" are "Equal Rights"...no way...
With all that...The NAACP has the RIGHT to BOYCOTT Target...as I have the RIGHT to BOYCOTT or Shop...with this BOYCOTT unlike the KFC I chose to SHOP TARGET...KFC on the otherhand I chose to BOYCOTT...It's GREAT having RIGHTS!
posted by MARIELORA at 09:38 A.M. EST on Sun Jul 23, 2006 #
I hereby take Marielora's rights away. If you want them back, you have to buy me a cup of coffee this Saturday July 29th at 7:30pm!
posted by fequalsma73 at 11:41 A.M. EST on Sun Jul 23, 2006 #
-frequelsma- I will buy you -2- cups!
See you Saturday!
:)
posted by MARIELORA at 11:51 A.M. EST on Sun Jul 23, 2006 #
if you take race out of the picture and only had to compete based on merit... that dumb kid is still going to community college but he just got beat out by ALL of his friends instead of just SOME of them. lol!
the naacp makes headlines not because they are the spokespeople for a race but because we need a scapegoat. we need to look inside our homes and our communities and see that most of our children don't even graduate high school. do you really think ALL white kids are smarter than ALL black kids? REALLY?
God please bless America...because we need it.
posted by messee at 04:57 P.M. EST on Sun Jul 23, 2006 #
do you really think ALL white kids are smarter than ALL black kids? REALLY?
Prove it isn't true.
posted by fequalsma73 at 05:49 P.M. EST on Sun Jul 23, 2006 #
-messee-NO...I do NOT think all White Kids are Smarter...I do though think...they are academically LAZY as to the WHITE kid...
With that...know...I am trying to be very careful with my words as to not offend...here it goes...
We seem to have a generation of Minorities that believe they don't have to do anything for themselves...they can get through life on "Quotas" being filled...gaining employment, promotion NOT on MERIT on "Quotas" being filled...
I am sorry if it seems I am talking in a broad manner...with that I realize there are those that work very hard and are very deserving of all their success...
yet...
posted by MARIELORA at 06:52 P.M. EST on Sun Jul 23, 2006 #
I echo you Marielora...for once we agree!!!
posted by fequalsma73 at 07:09 P.M. EST on Sun Jul 23, 2006 #
-frequelsma-we EVEN agreed on the KFC Topic...we're thinking alike...
You SCARED YET! :)
posted by MARIELORA at 07:13 P.M. EST on Sun Jul 23, 2006 #
Scared? Never! Except of abused chickens. ;)
posted by fequalsma73 at 07:20 P.M. EST on Sun Jul 23, 2006 #
I'm thinking the black and white child intelligence deal was a joke. There isn't a measurable difference in intelligence levels between races. Only, sadly, in many educational opportunities.
posted by katie82640 at 07:29 P.M. EST on Sun Jul 23, 2006 #
"do you really think ALL white kids are smarter than ALL black kids? REALLY?"
Prove it isn't true.
Of course I don't think this is true, I am just pushing buttons as I usually do on here. But seriously, the false view of entitlement is way out of hand in the black community. This falls in line with the whole reparations crap. If blacks want to be treated equally, then they should be treated just as crappy as the rest of us.
posted by fequalsma73 at 07:51 P.M. EST on Sun Jul 23, 2006 #
Ok, whew - I'm glad to hear it. Sadly it doesn't matter what socio-economic situation or race you're from - if you're a kid trying to get an education in Toledo YOU'RE SUFFERING FROM THREE ACTING LIKE CHILDREN. And shame on them. Just plain old shame on them for leveraging out kids for contracts.
posted by katie82640 at 10:47 P.M. EST on Sun Jul 23, 2006 #
oops, meant OUR kids.
And they are. Our kids.
posted by katie82640 at 10:47 P.M. EST on Sun Jul 23, 2006 #
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