I think its maybe a good thing he got taken down a notch.
posted by OhioKat at 09:04 P.M. EST on Sat Jan 06, 2007 #
Is anybody else having a hard time getting to the Blade's website? Seeing as I'm on Buckeye Express, that certainly seems odd.
posted by TheTalentedMrC at 09:09 P.M. EST on Sat Jan 06, 2007 #
Carty got his massive ego kicked back in his face by a pee-picker type sheriff and he didn't like it. Being mayor of Toledo is not worth a bucket of piss anywhere else, despite what he thinks of his title. He'd been treated the same way if he visited a jail in his favorite Michigan town, Ann Arbor, even if he was wearing a Michigan football jersey. You show up late for visitation, and it's too bad for you. I've never had to visit anyone in a jail, but rules are rules, Carty. Live with it and deal with it like the rest of the people who visit their freinds and family there. By the way, GO BUCKS against Florida!
posted by toledojim at 09:11 P.M. EST on Sat Jan 06, 2007 #
There does seem to be a problem getting to the Blade website. I was able to get to it earlier so try again in a bit.
posted by tjintoledo at 09:45 P.M. EST on Sat Jan 06, 2007 #
Is anybody else having a hard time getting to the Blade's website? Seeing as I'm on Buckeye Express, that certainly seems odd.
I couldn't get those links to load either.
posted by OhioKat at 09:48 P.M. EST on Sat Jan 06, 2007 #
My oldest son got in trouble years ago & did some years in a prison about a 4 hour drive from me. We had to schedule a visit -often a month ahead. We had to endure embarrassing pat-downs,searches each time - and once IN the visiting room, a good half hour of the 3 hour visit would be lost waiting for them to actually bring in the person you were visiting. IF you arrived late - you lost your visit. It was difficult to get a visit - only so many per visiting day - first come, first served on the phone; assuming you got anything but a busy signal. There were also strict dress codes, rules to follow - no halter tops, shorts, blouses had to have sleeves, etc. One very cold day, we arrived early (always) but they refused to let me in because I was wearing a pair of black stretch pants (shut up, they were the style back then) with a VERY long (to the knees) sweatshirt - they said 'no stretch pants' - I was not aware of that rule, and I'd read the rules repeatedly - didn't say anything about stretch pants, but they run the show. I lost almost 1 1/2 hours of my scheduled visit while we had to hunt down a damned store to buy a pair of jeans that I could afford - I didn't care what they looked like, but we had a hard time finding them. Long story short - when we were admitted to the visit, I noticed several women dressed in scanty clothes - short ass skirts, high heels, low cut shirts, etc. The bitch at the desk never liked me - no idea why, I was careful to be nice as can be to her. But I am convinced she made the rules up as she went there. My point is that Carty seems to think because he's mayor of Toledo, the rules don't apply to him - maybe a good wake-up call for him. I think it's a pretty standard jail/prison rule that you are required to arrive by a particular time. Where my son was, all visitors were led into the visitor's room all at the same time, as a group - with guards all over - and exited the same way.
posted by starling02 at 11:02 P.M. EST on Sat Jan 06, 2007 #
How ironic is it that Carty Finkbeiner is accusing someone of governmental arrogance when he was showing arrogance by expecting special consideration.
If a Toledo resident wanted to waltz into Carty's office at a time they weren't supposed to be there I'm sure he would welcome them with open arms..........
Of course him telling someone it isn't visiting hours in the mayor's office wouldn't be governmental arrogance, it would be following the rules.
posted by HeyHey at 11:14 P.M. EST on Sat Jan 06, 2007 #
First off, Carelton, your reach ends at the city limits, grow up.
Secondly, since when do politicans outside their juristictions, let alone four counties away, feel they get "special privilages" about anything? As Mayor, he's supposed to serve the people of his community, not abuse his office for such trite personal endeavours. In this case, a convicted drunk driver in friggen Port Clinton.
Thirdly, Brian Schwartz, I could give a crap about your “There was no verbal altercation. It’s a personal matter that he does not wish to comment on.” smokescreen.
"The deputies’ incident report noted that after Mr. Finkbeiner was told he was late, the mayor said, 'I drove all the way from Toledo and I cannot visit.' He was advised to arrive earlier next time. 'He became even louder and never stopped talking while I spoke so I was unable to make out all of what he said,' the deputy reported, saying he tried to explain security precautions for visitation. 'He again would not stop talking to listen to my response. I then wanted to let him know our conversation was over, so politely I told him to leave.'"
And you are the Mayor of Toledo, Carty? Leave earlier, and stop at a gas station before you get to the jail. Duh. Problem solved not only for free, but would have saved you from exposing what obviously is your true nature.
Toledo Mayor Carty Finkbeiner has accused Ottawa County sheriff’s deputies of rude behavior and “governmental arrogance” after he was denied a chance to visit his stepson in the Ottawa County jail. Having been in public office for almost two decades, I recognize governmental arrogance when I see it,” he wrote. “I think less of the Port Clinton minimum-security system as a result of the rudeness and governmental arrogance displayed to first my wife, then myself.”
Carty, this is not the Toledo Museum of Art, it's a detention facility.
Sheriff Bratton said the exchange at the entrance lasted about 30 seconds. “It was a private matter until he shot his mouth off,” the sheriff said.
Brian, I'm going to venture a guess that the Ottawa County Sheriff has a whole new appreciation of our city representative. You better spin faster if your comments are going to trump the statements of a head law enforcement official you have no control over.
Please oh please release the video and audio of this "non-event"!
posted by BrianInFlorida at 05:49 A.M. EST on Sun Jan 07, 2007 #
it'd been kinda funny if they'da cuffed him and stuffed him for causing a disturbance, wouldnt it?
starling - from your experience, what do you think would have happened to you if you'd acted like 'his (lack thereof) honor'?
posted by billy at 08:14 A.M. EST on Sun Jan 07, 2007 #
Well - I guess the age old question of what happens when two controlling personalities collide has been answered. I liked this "
“There was no verbal altercation,” Mr. Schwartz said. “It’s a personal matter that he does not wish to comment on.”
Sheriff Bratton said the exchange at the entrance lasted about 30 seconds. “It was a private matter until he shot his mouth off,” the sheriff said."
Wonder how the Blade got a copy of this 'private', 'personal' letter? Hmmm???
posted by katie82640 at 10:24 A.M. EST on Sun Jan 07, 2007 #
Wonder how the Blade got a copy of this 'private', 'personal' letter? Hmmm???
Ouch!!! posted by katie82640 at 10:24 A.M. EST on Sun Jan 07, 2007 #
I'd venture to say that probably someone in Ottawa County thought that this needed to be shared. Perhaps a former Toledo resident that is not too impressed with our Mayor.
If this were just any John Q Citizen that caused such a ruckus they would have been escorted from the building with help. Perhaps Mr. Mayor avoided this by voluntarily walking away.
I applaud the Ottawa County Jail for sticking to their rules. To have strayed from those rules would have set a precedent that could have caused quite a ripple effect.
posted by DoknowDocare at 11:43 A.M. EST on Sun Jan 07, 2007 #
Why was Carty late ? I thought the citizens of Toledo PAID $9,999.00 for a shower for the mayor, atop Government Center. Instead of going home to shower & change clothes, before departing for Ottawa County, Carty should have used his EXECUTIVE SHOWER.
posted by WalterAnthony at 12:34 P.M. EST on Sun Jan 07, 2007 #
Wonder how the Blade got a copy of this 'private', 'personal' letter? Hmmm???
Ouch!!! posted by katie82640 at 10:24 A.M. EST on Sun Jan 07, 2007 #
Because correspondence sent to a public office is a public record - regardless of whom it's from...
posted by MaggieThurber at 01:44 P.M. EST on Sun Jan 07, 2007 #
Because correspondence sent to a public office is a public record - regardless of whom it's from...
That's something I didn't know. Thanks, Maggie.
Carty got what was coming to him. I particularly liked the comment "shot his mouth off". You GO!, Carty.
posted by madjack at 10:41 A.M. EST on Mon Jan 08, 2007 #
Sheriff Bratton said the exchange at the entrance lasted about 30 seconds. “It was a private matter until he shot his mouth off,” the sheriff said."
Having met Sheriff Bratton and been in training with him in the past, I gotta say he's a pretty laid back and professional guy with a good sense of humor (bad jokes, but good sense of humor nonetheless). His response was great!
posted by taliesin52 at 12:38 P.M. EST on Mon Jan 08, 2007 #
billy - if I had behaved the way Carty did - or even argued a bit less than he did, they would have asked me to leave. If I put up a noisy fuss about that, then there'd be a good chance the NEXT visit I wanted to schedule wouldn't be 'available'. Prisons & jails keep track of all visitors & behaviours of both them & the inmates.
I heard by way of somebody in the 'know' that Carty's shower was intended more for his mistress's use. My first inclination is to not believe this - because his wife Amy is a beautiful woman (and the one with the money I was told), and because it's Carty (ewwwwww). I hesitate to even mention this - because rumuors can be mean, and false, and I'd hate to stir an empty pot. The only thing that gives this story any substance is the person who passed it along on the sly - someone of great substance.
posted by starling02 at 04:18 P.M. EST on Mon Jan 08, 2007 #
I think there were life lessons learned all the way around. I said before, about Mrs. Finkbeiner not being able to use a bathroom facility - I strongly doubt that the prison does not have a bathroom facility for visitors. Sorry - just don't believe it.
Secondly I think a nasty guard met up with an indignant Mayor. Mayor learned that if he's late they don't care who he is. Also what it feels like to be talked down to by someone like that. Good lessons - humility. Hope he brings them home and has a no snippy policy for city employees.
The guard found out that you can only be snotty with a certain number of people till you draw a Mayor and it winds up in the paper with you having to clarify how 'politely' you behaved. :-)
posted by katie82640 at 07:24 P.M. EST on Mon Jan 08, 2007 #
Katie, I too have to visit my son in jail and have in prison. Once you are frisked and you enter the area with the prisoners, you are not allowed to leave for the bathroom. If you do, you are not allowed to re enter.
posted by tjintoledo at 09:43 P.M. EST on Mon Jan 08, 2007 #
Well, we can sympathize somewhat with Carty. Customer service can be highly deficient in deputies. True story, recent event:
Couple arrives in Toledo from Kentucky to see mother's son in LC jail. Was told over phone that visiting hours end at 330pm. However, was NOT told that in order to qualify for a visit, you have to show up by 2pm. Since they arrived after 2pm, they were denied entrance and were told to come the next day. Couple drives to Sandusky to stay with friends (not anticipating need to stay in area overnight), and returned to LC jail the next day. Mother was THEN told that her son had been moved some days ago to the Marion OH facility.
There's no rational reason for this poor service except that some deputy or clerk could not be bothered to think of the needs of the visitors. As public servants, these folks need to understand they serve visitors' needs when visitors appear, not to serve some farcical "who cares" need of the public at large who jailed the inmates to begin with.
posted by GuestZero at 10:39 P.M. EST on Mon Jan 08, 2007 #
There's no rational reason for this poor service except that some deputy or clerk could not be bothered to think of the needs of the visitors
Absolutely correct. 100% agreed.
As public servants, these folks need to understand they serve visitors' needs when visitors appear, not to serve
Not so much. While the above example was completely uncalled for and flat wrong, the public servants are there to guard incarcerated prisoners, not serve the needs of visitors.
From everything Ive read, no such impropriety was shown to Carty. Carty was out of line, as usual, and the prison guards did nothing wrong.
posted by billy at 07:58 A.M. EST on Tue Jan 09, 2007 #
There's no rational reason for this poor service
The rational reason is that the penal system wants to keep prisoners and their families separate as much as possible. If the institution learns that a prisoner has friends and family in Toledo, the prisoner is transferred as far away from Toledo as possible. The penal system does not want the prisoner to have any kind of support system from the outside world.
From Starling: The bitch at the desk never liked me - no idea why, I was careful to be nice as can be to her.
Racial or economic prejudice comes to mind. She may have been looking for a bribe. Keep in mind that prison guards and prison staff contain some of the worst examples of humanity possible. There isn't much difference between the guards and the prisoners.
posted by madjack at 09:17 A.M. EST on Tue Jan 09, 2007 #
The last time I saw Carty was at a charity benefit last summer. I was in line for a buffet (about 50 people back), and there came Carty talking to one of his minions. He casually walked past the entire line, and started fixing a plate for himself.
Not to judge one person's importance versus another's, but keep in mind that mr. important walked right past local executives, business owners, college presidents etc... who all waited patientlly and politely. It was completely classless.
Ofcourse yours truly was the only one to say anything to him as he walked by and pretended not to here the ramblings of a nobody. The only response was an attempted stare-down from one of his cronies.
posted by nick44 at 12:26 P.M. EST on Tue Jan 09, 2007 #
So Carty said, "Having been in public office for almost two decades, I recognize governmental arrogance when I see it."
Interesting comment when considering this Jan 9 WSPD news story:
"The Toledo mayor's office physically barred a news reporter from a press conference Tuesday morning. WSPD radio's Kevin Milliken says the mayor's spokesperson told him he was "not an objective news reporter" before locking the door leading to the mayor's conference room. Milliken says Brian Schwartz later allowed a newspaper reporter with The Blade into the same press conference also attended by multiple local television crews."
As if those other media outlets are objective. Government-controlled media in Toledo, eh?
Carty, the supreme ruler of The People's Republic of Toledo County, can't wield the same power in Ottawa County.
posted by jr at 01:25 P.M. EST on Tue Jan 09, 2007 #
The bitch at the visitor entrance sign in desk was white & female, like me. She was grossly overweight, and had an attitude to match. We had to deal with her for about 9 years - on & off, depending who was on duty. I saw her be charming to many visitors - but with me she just scowled & acted arrogant & bossy. I bent over backwards to follow the rules to the letter with a smile on my face. This prison did have restrooms inside the visitors area - but the guards watched like a hawk when you went to them. Inmates were forbidden to use them or the vending machines, or to leave their seats. I understand the reasons for not allowing entrance if you're late - they run a tight ship, and lead everybody inside at one time, and out the same way. Once seated inside the visitor's room, then you'll wait a good half hour or more till they actually bring in the inmate you're visiting - a hunk of time lost out of your visit. We had waited an hour at times.
posted by starling02 at 07:03 P.M. EST on Tue Jan 09, 2007 #
Looks like Brian Schwartz would rather be Carty's bodyguard instead of being Carty's spin doctor.
posted by BrianInFlorida at 03:16 P.M. EST on Wed Jan 10, 2007 #
In Regards to Carty (a foe of both the 1st & 2nd Amendments) banning Milliken, wouldn't it be grand for ALL reporters to get together and boycott ANY AND ALL 'news conferences' held by Czar Carty until such time as he can show some respect for the Constitution!
It seems to me awhile back some person was prevented photographing a public figure in a public place. It was ultimately ruled unconstitutional. Same rules apply. I'll try to find the case.
posted by Plantman at 05:09 P.M. EST on Wed Jan 10, 2007 #
Early Tuesday afternoon, I mentioned the latest Carty-WSPD encounter in a comment above because I found that incident amusing and alarming after reading about Carty's reaction to the Ottawa County sheriff.
A few users have since submitted front page postings strictly about the Carty-WSPD issue, but as I explained on Sunday, I'm no longer allowing those type of front page postings here.
Swamp Bubbles contains a thread, discussing Carty blocking WSPD.
These are the Toledo Talk front page postings in the moderation queue that I've sent to the trash bin.
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Mayor Bans Alleged Reporter - Toledo Mayor Carty Finkbeiner blocked the admission of WSPD Talk Host Kevin Milliken from a news conference contending that he was not "objective." Please keep in mind that it is not good journalistic practice to have a talk show host also function as a news reporter. The blurring of the editorial and news side of the operation is a serious concern here. So too, is the Mayors reaction. Perhaps he should have admitted Mr. Milliken to the news conference, then simply ignored his questions.
posted by tiger on 05:46 P.M. EST on Tue Jan 09, 2007
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More Dictatorship from Mayor - I would ask where does the Mayor think he has the right to choose how and where Toledoans should recieve their news? It is up to the listeners and the voters to determine which news sources they believe the most credible. Regardless of whether you believe the Mayor's complaints are legitimate or not you cannot deny that the law was broken and the Toledo city government believes it's above the U.S. Constitution.
I ask where is the fair and balanced debate when one side is trying to silence the other?
posted by MikeyA on 08:52 A.M. EST on Wed Jan 10, 2007
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Carty vs. WSPD - I chose this forum to be entertainment because I cannot believe my eyes and ears that this is what is going on in our community. Brian and Kevin from WSPD are not news reporters and WE know it, they are on-air personality (a.k.a. entertainers) jockeys but why, oh why do they have to grandstand this crap? Is WSPD desperate for ratings???? Mmmmmmmmmm.
The mayor did allow one of the other WSPD reporter by the name of Nik Rajkovic in the news conference so what's the problem? I have listened to Kevin's show "Eye on Toledo" and read his columns in the Toledo Free Press and this guy is not a journalist. He is negative, unobjective, rampant, and a whiner. If Kevin and WSPD does not behave and give a professional respect to the elected officials, they better know that they will be barred if professionalism is not adhered. This is such a sad day for our region that it comes to this and the local media is focusing on this meaningless story.
I wish Clear Channel, Inc. would boot Brian Wilson and Kevin Milliken out of WSPD and bring back Bob Frantz. That is the only way I will ever return to that radio channel.
posted by HolyHolyToledo on 04:09 P.M. EST on Wed Jan 10, 2007
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UT Law Professor To Comment On The Mayor and The 1st Amendment
From a notice on Glass City. Dr David Harris of the UT School of law will be on Tom Watkins , Toledo Today program Thursday morning to comment on the situation at city hall where Carty blocked a news representative. Tom says the professor will be on at 8:22 a.m.
posted by max on 05:51 P.M. EST on Wed Jan 10, 2007
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posted by jr at 06:53 P.M. EST on Wed Jan 10, 2007 #
Ok, but it's an interesting topic that's been on the blade, the tv news channels, and Ive heard that both Fox and AP are interviewing Kevin M since this second episode.
Is anyone else not able to get in to Swamp Bubbles?
posted by billy at 07:17 P.M. EST on Wed Jan 10, 2007 #
billy - only just recently...say about 10 minutes ago...
posted by MaggieThurber at 07:19 P.M. EST on Wed Jan 10, 2007 #
Just my opinion but I have a feeling that Carty's step son is furious with him right about now. The Blade said they moved him from a minimum security to maximum for his own protection - that means less freedom to move about & less privilages. My guess is he was getting lots of grief & razzing from the other inmates over this. In the name of safety, they normally try to keep a low profile (not always of course). I bet he's wishing his step dad would just shut the hell up. My son used to caution me even discussing guards, etc. on the phones (they listen in he said & often tape them) - maybe my son was paranoid about it, but it wouldn't surprise me. They can make your life hell in jail.
As for public restrooms, I'm sure there were - but it sounds like Amy wanted to use one in a restriced area, or a restricted time block.
posted by starling02 at 08:01 P.M. EST on Wed Jan 10, 2007 #
they moved him from a minimum security to maximum for his own protection
Ho-Lee Shit!! OMG!! I bet Carty's WIFE aint so thrilled with him either!!
Maximum security for a DUI because Stepdaddy shoots his mouth off???
I only know one person who's had to spend time in a maximum security prison. He doesnt like to speak much about that time, rightly wanting to get on with his life, but I'll always remember the one comment he did have to me during a private conversation -
He said simply, "You know what they show in those prison movies with the gangs and rapes and all? That's pretty much the way it is."
I mean you dont get 6mo in jail for a DUI for a first offense, but man - I feel for the guy!
posted by billy at 08:23 P.M. EST on Wed Jan 10, 2007 #
I'm not sure what the policy is at the jail Carty's step son was in is on visiting hours. In the maximum security prisons I visited there were specific time blocks for visiting (visits usually scheduled weeks or a month in advance) & they began & ended precisely at those times. They would usher in all visitors at the same time, search & pat downs, and seat them in the visitor's room before the inmates were ever led in - and the same upon leaving. IF you were late on arrival, you did not gain entrance because it is the guards job to secure safety for all visitors, inmates & staff - to say nothing of the added time that'd be involved with late arrivals to repeat the process individually. I am not sure what the policy is for minimum security. At the work release downtown, there's a small block of time a week & you may come or leave anytime in that time block.
In the Blade today, it sounds like Carty can prove what time he arrived via his cell phone call to the mayor. Depending on what the policy for 'late' arrivals' I'm not sure what to think. IF this prison had a policy of all vistitors entering at the same time - then the mayor lost his privilage.
posted by starling02 at 07:03 P.M. EST on Thu Jan 11, 2007 #
So what if he can prove what time, as a civilian, he arrived. Once the doors are shut, the doors are shut. This is a jail, not a conference room. He also has to remember that his stepson isn't the only convict in the jail receiving visitors. It's called JAIL PROTOCOL.
Makes me wonder if Carty's cell phone company's clocks are calibrated with the Atomic Clock.
Nonetheless, I'm kinda curious if Carty would be as compassionate to each of his "employees" that are "late" by his clock, yet are right on time by the time clock.
posted by BrianInFlorida at 05:00 A.M. EST on Fri Jan 12, 2007 #
Carty is such an a**hole.
Finkbeiners seek news blackout
Pair want reporting about her son stopped; he says sheriff 'lied'
First off - calling a press conference saying they want the reporting to stop??!!??
Secondly, he publicly calls the sherrif a liar, but then says he doesnt want anything more said about it. What a friggin coward.
Too Bad carty - THIS sherrif isnt afraid to stick up for himself and his men. he'll HAVE a come back, and the press will print it!
posted by billy at 11:44 A.M. EST on Fri Jan 12, 2007 #
Why would they move the kid to maximum security? It sounds like he's being punished for things he obviously had nothing to do with.
posted by katie82640 at 02:46 P.M. EST on Fri Jan 12, 2007 #
because the Ottawa county lock up has no video cameras in the visitor area. Now he's at a facility where there are video cameras in the visitor area and everything that goes on is recorded and time/dated, so there will never be any discrepancy as to where and when anything goes on on visitors day.
Carty's mouth caused a problem. The OC Sheriff solved it.
posted by billy at 03:10 P.M. EST on Fri Jan 12, 2007 #
and ps - he's not a kid. He's 29 yrs old.
posted by billy at 03:11 P.M. EST on Fri Jan 12, 2007 #
Finally an authority that won't take CArty's arogance. It takes someone with one hand on the cell keys to stand up to hizhoner. The biggest joke, is on Toledo. If he had any class, he would resolve the issue in private and leave the headlines alone. ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh nooooooooo not Carty. His arrogance cannot be satisfied.
posted by HappyBadger at 04:36 P.M. EST on Fri Jan 12, 2007 #
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070111/COLUMNIST03/701110354/-1/ARCHIVES30
Hey, did ya see? This Toledo Talk topic was quoted at the end of this article. I am beginning to feel bad for the Finkbeiners. I know he's in public office and with that goes the magnifying glass, but enough already. He was pissed off like any of us would have been and he probably ranted. I don't feel that his letter should have been leaked to the media. On the other hand, he had to know that was a real possiblity. We have not had much Finkbeiner fodder. The media just seems to be overdoing it.
posted by tjintoledo at 06:12 P.M. EST on Fri Jan 12, 2007 #
two things...first, I believe that I heard that someone tipped off the media who made a public records request for the letter Carty wrote. That's not a leak of the letter...that's an elected official following the public records law. As for who did the tip-off, well....
Second, jails operate under very strict rules and regulations. When the family makes allegations about the treatment their incarcerated family member receives, it's a good policy to remove the incarcerated individual and place them in another facility. If there was mistreatment, it eliminates any further opportunities for such treatment and protects the individual from any type of retaliation for making the complaint. The video equipment at the new location is also a good idea...
posted by MaggieThurber at 10:26 P.M. EST on Fri Jan 12, 2007 #
This makes sense. It'll be interesting to see how this turns out. Seems alot of people think pretty highly of this Sheriff.
posted by katie82640 at 11:11 P.M. EST on Fri Jan 12, 2007 #
I have no sympathy.
Seems the Sheriff and the Correction Officers are the only ones in this debacle doing their jobs.
"Everyone else" expected special treatment, and "they" don't even pay taxes in that county.
I just want to add, after reading DeBoor's column, Mrs. Finkbeiner asked much the same question: “I’m treated as second-class, so how are [inmates] being treated within? That’s my issue.”
Having visitors in jail is a privilage, not a right. Inmates are treated with dignity and respect because not only of the Correction Officer's professional training, but also of the insane amount of oversight within, (or hasn't anyone heard of "jailhouse lawyers"?) unlike visitors, which cause distress, much like the "Amy needs to go potty" fiasco, amongst other things visitors do that expect, because they are used to it, "special treatment".
This explains "locking the door" when the final group goes in the secure area for their patdowns. Carty as a visitor should have known this, seeing he's done it before.
It's nice to see Carty and Co. being treated like they're supposed to be treated because Carty's stepson made a stupid decision and got convicted and incarcerated.
Maybe next time Jr will call a cab as he should have done in the first place.
January 29th is the last day Jr has to deal with this. For Carty, it goes on his resume with everything else for the rest of his career.
posted by BrianInFlorida at 06:24 A.M. EST on Sat Jan 13, 2007 #
The Web site Romenesko describes itself as, "Your daily fix of media industry news, commentary, and memos."
I check Romenesko almost daily, since it tracks the world of media. On Friday, January 12, the site had a posting about Carty's issues for the week.
"Toledo mayor asks reporters to stop writing about his son
Toledo Blade
Mayor Carty Finkbeiner asked reporters to "cease and desist" from reporting more about his 29-year-old son, who is serving a 90-day sentence for drunken driving. On Wednesday, three radio talk show hosts had to force their way into a news conference called by Finkbeiner."
So Carty and his friends are getting a little national pub.
posted by jr at 05:21 P.M. EST on Sat Jan 13, 2007 #
More Carty bullshit. Carty is basically claiming he didn't seek special consideration at the Ottawa County jail. He then collected reporters together (in his private residence, heh heh ... no Brian Wilson there!) and then demanded special consideration FROM THEM.
The man is shamelessly corrupt. Recall him in 2007.
posted by GuestZero at 04:44 A.M. EST on Sun Jan 14, 2007 #
So Carty and his friends are getting a little national pub.
Here's a fun game. Name me a time Carty ever got national publicity that was POSITIVE....
Now I know trains running on train tracks isnt news, while trains CRASHING on train tracks is - But come on. Hasn't this train wreck gone on long enough?
While we're on the Carty topic, "Carty gets Results" was the phrase. It's been a year. Can anyone name a few?
posted by billy at 02:40 P.M. EST on Sun Jan 14, 2007 #
I'd at least give the Blade credit for being consistent. They reported on Ray Kest's son having a DUI. They reported on Skeldon-Wozniak's son with drugs. And now they're reporting on Carty's son.
However I didn't hear about his son until Carty's letter came after the fact. If it was reported on I missed it. But in all fairness the Blade might not have reported on it because they didn't know since it was in Ottawa County.
But it should be noted on the hipocracy that GZ mentioned with Carty's handling of the media. Other members of the administration should have handled the WSPD situation better as they knew better... Mr. Schwartz especially. But now they have opened the city up to a potential lawsuit which will only COST the taxpayers more money.
posted by MikeyA at 02:09 P.M. EST on Mon Jan 15, 2007 #
Recall him in 2007.
Why, oh WHY, did you morons in Toledo vote Czarty back in in the first place? I mean, I understand that there's nothing to do in Toledo and therefore you lack entertainment, but surely y'all could have found something else to do, like watch paint dry, than to have Czarty be a jackass for your pleasure.
posted by anonymouscoward at 05:03 P.M. EST on Mon Jan 15, 2007 #
Why, oh WHY, did you morons in Toledo vote Czarty back in in the first place? <--AC
Better question. Why was it only Frick OR Frack on the ballot?
The parties need to do a hell of a lot better looking for "appropriate" candidates.....
I'm sick of showing and seeing two choices. Bad or worse.
posted by katie82640 at 05:40 P.M. EST on Mon Jan 15, 2007 #
MikeyA said : “I'd at least give the Blade credit for being consistent. They reported on Ray Kest's son having a DUI. They reported on Skeldon-Wozniak's son with drugs. And now they're reporting on Carty's son.”
Well, the solution then seems straightforward: ban political progeny. Politicians either can't have kids already, or they must put them up for adoption if so. Politicians with kids doing drugs may welcome such a law.
Abortion should be legal up to the 100th trimester, anyway. ;^)
posted by GuestZero at 06:15 P.M. EST on Mon Jan 15, 2007 #
As to Carty being back in office ...
September 2005 mayoral primary results:
Carty Finkbeiner ... 15283 ... 36.74%
Jack Ford ... 10910 ... 26.23%
Keith Wilkowski ... 9750 ... 23.44%
Rob Ludeman ... 5386 ... 12.95%
Opal Covey ... 110 ... 0.26%
Don Gozdowski ... 91 ... 0.22%
Martin Okonski ... 64 ... 0.15%
November 2005 election results:
Carty Finkbeiner ... 47,351 ... 61%
Jack Ford ... 29,169 ... 38%
From a comment last summer:
"Toledo has about 190,000 registered voters. According to the 2000 census, Toledo has 231,488 people age 18 and over. The problem is obvious, and it's not Carty. [In September 2005], Carty got 15,283 votes from at least 200,000 Toledoans who are eligible to vote."
posted by jr at 08:17 P.M. EST on Mon Jan 15, 2007 #
Excerpts from a January 13, 2007 editorial in the North Country Gazette [???] that supports Carty and criticizes Sheriff Bratton. I don't know who wrote this, nor am I sure what the North Country Gazette is.
From the editorial:
"Ottawa County would do well to get a new sheriff and rid itself of an embarrassment. Not only doesn't Sheriff Robert Bratton comply with public records law, but we have to agree with Carty Finkbeiner, Toledo mayor, that Bratton's a liar."
"Bratton has turned Ottawa County into the proverbial Dukes of Hazzard. Instead of acting professionally and trying to defuse a volatile situation, he's fanning the flames, spinning what should have been a private manner into an out of control situation, an embarrassment for the county---and lying in the process."
"Not only that, but his irresponsible actions in handling the situation is likely to obligate the county taxpayers to fund a defense to what is likely a forthcoming lawsuit from the Toledo mayor and his wife."
"Bratton is apparently determined to show Finkbeiner who he thinks is boss, not unlike Boss Hogg, and is more than miffed that Finkbeiner is challenging him."
"Bratton knows all about recording. He's busy recording all the telephone calls and visits of Elsebeth Baumgartner, the disbarred attorney who's serving a 120-day sentence for contempt for dissing retiring visiting judge Richard Markus, calling him corrupt for submitting padded billings among other allegations. Although contempt charges are misdemeanors, Bratton has Baumgartner incarcerated in the high security area, claiming that she's a "escape risk". "
"Bratton's credibility problem seems to intensifying as he has already made some provable false written statements regarding the May 2005 arrest of Dr. Baumgartner. Bratton additionally has been taping phone calls between Baumgartner and The North Country Gazette as well as Baumgartner's family, without informing NCG of the taping and violating the privacy rights of NCG by publicly disclosing those tapes."
"The public has a right to have a sheriff in office that not only complies with the laws of the state but doesn't make statements he knows to be false, and that is not Robert "Boss Hogg" Bratton."
It goes on and on about, whatever. The editorial also contains a link to a PDF file: Sheriff Bratton's Letter To Mayor Finkbeiner - 1/8/07
I bolded the name Elsebeth Baumgartner in the above editorial because that name has been posted here in news-related threads.
July 13, 2005 Toledo Talk thread titled Baumgartner, ErieVoices indicted again.
Profile page for Toledo Talk user ErieVoices.
The Web site erievoices.com is no longer available, but I think this might be the new blog for ErieVoices: http://erievoices.blogspot.com
From that 2005 thread that pointed to a news story in the Port Clinton News Herald:
"PORT CLINTON — Self-described whistleblower Elsebeth Baumgartner and the editor of a Web site that supports her cause are in jail after a Cuyahoga County grand jury charged them with extortion Monday."
"Baumgartner, a disbarred Oak Harbor attorney, and Bryan Wayne DuBois, 28, Sandusky, also face felony counts of intimidation, possession of criminal tools and retaliation, according to their arrest warrants stemming from the Cuyahoga County indictments. For months, they have posted allegations of corruption among public officials in northern Ohio on DuBois’ Web site."
posted by jr at 09:25 P.M. EST on Mon Jan 15, 2007 #
Well that settles it. The North Country Gazette has spoken. Actually it appears to be a user generated site so the person writing it could be local. Regardless, another odd twist on a completely odd story.
posted by chrismyers at 10:55 P.M. EST on Mon Jan 15, 2007 #
I'm too new to this site to actually post this as a separate topic, so I'm adding it as a reply in threads where interested Toledoans will see it. If any of you would like to post this by itself, that'd be great. I did try writing the site's admin, and they didn't reply.
Here goes:
Drinking Liberally Toledo, a social club where liberals can meet, drink a bit and talk politics, got off to a good start last week with its inaugural meeting. We had a lot of fun and some interesting conversation.
From now on, we'll be meeting at Mickey Finn's, located at 602 Lagrange St, Toledo. Tonight's meeting will be at 7:30. We had a decent turnout for our first meeting. We hope to see new faces, especially from the ACLU (who are meeting tonight and have a few members who'll be coming to DL as well) and other groups. If you know anyone at all who would enjoy the company of a few good liberals, bring 'em along and put out the word.
Mickey Finn's has a great selection of beer and wine, and a great menu of reasonably priced bar food. If you'd like to meet other Toledo liberals in a relaxed social setting, feel free to join us. I'm very passionate about making Drinking Liberally a success in Toledo. Liberals shouldn't have to go to Cleveland or Ann Arbor for like minded company.
So come on down!
Rebecca Golden
toledo@drinkingliberally.org
posted by dersprokkett at 02:04 A.M. EST on Wed Jan 17, 2007 #
The parties need to do a hell of a lot better looking for "appropriate" candidates.....
I'm sick of showing and seeing two choices. Bad or worse. Unfortunately I don't think anyone wants the job. You'll either end up being a Blade lackey or Blade bashee and neither are fun.
GZ makes an interesting point... stop politicians from procreating.
For the record I've never been a fan of Toledo's primary system either.
posted by MikeyA at 08:43 A.M. EST on Wed Jan 17, 2007 #
Not to worry Mikey - have you SEEN our politicians? With a few exceptions, I don't think it's going to be a problem.
Ha.
posted by katie82640 at 04:57 P.M. EST on Thu Jan 18, 2007 #
What's the real story with Ryan Wittman?
For all the mom's & dad's turned away who ever tried to vist their kid in jail. Stand up Carty for them. I'll bet ya a buck it will buy you more votes then it will cost.
posted by cJamesMawer at 02:50 A.M. EST on Sat Jan 20, 2007 #
If your from ottwa county vote the sheriff OUT!
If he mis treats our Mayor's wife oh so violently how whould he treat you?
posted by cJamesMawer at 02:59 A.M. EST on Sat Jan 20, 2007 #
I'll bet ya a buck it will buy you more votes then it will cost.
You are kidding, aren't you?
If your from ottwa county vote the sheriff OUT!
If he mis treats our Mayor's wife oh so violently how whould he treat you?
please tell me you're joshing us. Along with that, please elaborate on the word you chose - "violently".
He "violently" didn't let her pee?
posted by billy at 08:16 P.M. EST on Sat Jan 20, 2007 #
If your from ottwa county vote the sheriff OUT!
If he mis treats our Mayor's wife oh so violently how whould he treat you?
Why does she deserve to be treated any different then anyone else? The rules for that facility state visitors may not use the restroom she was trying to use.
Seems pretty simple to me.
If she didn't think she was above the law there wouldn't be an issue at all.
Personally, if I lived in Ottawa county I'd give that mayor and his sheriffs a pat on the back for not caving to the over inflated egos of our mayor and his wife.
posted by OhioKat at 11:01 P.M. EST on Sat Jan 20, 2007 #
He "violently" didn't let her pee?
Shudder....
posted by katie82640 at 03:46 P.M. EST on Mon Jan 22, 2007 #
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