How did that bonehead survive the day? Are all of the students at UT so very PC that they couldn't bring themselves to tear up the sign being carried by the previously mentioned BONEHEAD?
How does one see such a sign and not see it as for what it is?
That BONEHEAD is clearly saying, "HELL YEAH! I'LL STRAP A BOMB ON MY CHEST AND KILL ALL OF YOU".
It seems that our college students are happy to die at the hands of terrorists.
It is a shame.
posted by AirTrainer at 08:43 P.M. EST on Mon Mar 19, 2007 #
Relatives?
posted by jr at 08:54 P.M. EST on Mon Mar 19, 2007 #
Let me put it this way. When someone projects the statement...DEATH TO AMERICA...I take that personally. You see, I AM AMERICA.
I am the unknown person at the bottom of the rubble of the World Trade Center. I am the subsequently identified, but ultimately victimized, passenger traveling on United Flight 93, and presently interred (at least in part) in the countryside of Pennsylvania. I am decaying in the grass near the Pentagon.
I am the guy in Toledo, Ohio, wondering if the previously mentioned BONEHEAD is going to get his/her wish.
Will I die because of his/her intentions?
Does his/her right to free speech trump my right to "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"?
More importantly, does his/her right to free speech trump your right to continued life?
Maybe I'll live through the tragedy of your death. I would much prefer to speak to you, and to call you my friend, long into your elder years.
posted by AirTrainer at 09:15 P.M. EST on Mon Mar 19, 2007 #
Who cares.
posted by thetoledowire_com at 11:44 P.M. EST on Mon Mar 19, 2007 #
Kid attending public school by way of federal education loans uses free speech rights to say "Death to America".
I'd say it's like cutting off your nose to spite your face, but it's more like cutting off your face to spite your nose.
(Still, it's his right.)
posted by TheTalentedMrC at 04:57 A.M. EST on Tue Mar 20, 2007 #
What a coward! If you want to protest, that's your right. But at least be adult enough to not wear a mask/hood.
Coward.
posted by radiovet at 06:51 A.M. EST on Tue Mar 20, 2007 #
Why does everyone here assume he's against the war. He may be, though, then his garb doesn't make any sense.
It makes more sense as a counter protest reminding people of the mentality we are face in that region of the world.
(that said, this war is encouraging that mentality, rather than combating it. But at least it FEELS like we are doing something since we are spending a lot of money and blowing a bunch of things up, since that is all our military is designed to do)
posted by thetoledowire_com at 08:07 A.M. EST on Tue Mar 20, 2007 #
Radiovet said:
What a coward! If you want to protest, that's your right. But at least be adult enough to not wear a mask/hood.
Coward.
I second that.
If you have an opinion -- and you feel justified or right about it -- then have the honor and conviction to publically stand behind it if you're making that opinion known in public.
Mike
posted by miked918 at 12:34 P.M. EST on Tue Mar 20, 2007 #
radiovet,
"What a coward! If you want to protest, that's your right. But at least be adult enough to not wear a mask/hood."
Why not use your real name to post on line?
posted by SensorG at 12:37 P.M. EST on Tue Mar 20, 2007 #
Dirty imposter, sullying the good name of all God-fearing, flag-waving, mask-wearing patriots like Subcomandante Bob.
posted by Subcomandante_bob at 01:03 P.M. EST on Tue Mar 20, 2007 #
What a coward! If you want to protest, that's your right. But at least be adult enough to not wear a mask/hood.
I have to agree also, Didn't the KKK (coward/a**hole idiots, morons etc..) also wear hoods?
posted by tm at 01:38 P.M. EST on Tue Mar 20, 2007 #
Without the face mask, how is he supposed to look like a terrorist? He probably doesn't own a AK-47.
posted by thetoledowire_com at 01:54 P.M. EST on Tue Mar 20, 2007 #
What a coward! If you want to protest, that's your right. But at least be adult enough to not wear a mask/hood.
I have to agree also, Didn't the KKK (coward/a**hole idiots, morons etc..) also wear hoods?
yes they did. Maybe they have an A**hole/coward/terrorist dress code.
And yes, if this twit was trying to scare someone, then he is a terrorist. As are the KKK douchebags.
posted by billy at 02:41 P.M. EST on Tue Mar 20, 2007 #
Anyway, Death to America.
posted by thetoledowire_com at 04:01 P.M. EST on Tue Mar 20, 2007 #
Which America? North, South, Central, the United States, the music band?
Maybe the masked marvel heard "A Horse With No Name" one too many times. I know if I ever hear "Muskrat Love" love one more time, I might do more than just hold a sign.
posted by jr at 04:10 P.M. EST on Tue Mar 20, 2007 #
Interesting.
This photo or story was posted at Swamp Bubbles and here. psyche777 received an e-mail, alerting her to this photo, and she posted it on her blog. I heard Kevin Milliken discuss this on his radio show Monday evening, and I believe he said he also received an e-mail about this.
Chris is saying that the photo or the link to the photo has been posted to a members-only area at Fark.com.
This afternoon, a commenter at psyche777's Glass City Jungle blog said this photo has made the front page at Michell Malkin's blog, and it has. On Malkin's blog :
"Brian Boos and Frederick Cooper of the University of Toledo College Republicans e-mailed me about the photo yesterday:"
You think possibly this was a couple people goofing around, thinking, "Hey, let's see how far and fast we can spread this." or "Let's see what kind of knee-jerk reactions we can create."?
Maybe it's a homework assignment on the social aspects of the blogosphere or the media and how fast "word" can spread whether it's fact or fiction.
Is it possible that as many outlets as possible were used in this alleged experiment?
I made a glib comment about this on Monday night because I thought it was a joke then, and I'm more convinced now that it is either a joke or an experiment. The people involved get points for creativity.
posted by jr at 05:00 P.M. EST on Tue Mar 20, 2007 #
I was thinking the same thing myself, jr.
"Death to America" just sounds like some goofy slogan that a person with a limited grasp of English would develop for a quick soundbite.
Moreover, I have never seen a similar poster or chanted slogan at any of the local anti-war protests I have covered. There are some anti-Bush comments, a bunch of "Bring the Troops Home" sentiments, but never anything that bizzare.
My gut reaction is that this is either: a) a group of frat guys thinking they are funny; or b) pro-war people trying to run down those who are against the war.
I suspect that the identity of the "Down with America" people will not remain hidden for long. Conspiracies (if this is one) tend to unravel pretty quickly once people start boasting.
posted by historymike at 06:50 P.M. EST on Tue Mar 20, 2007 #
Every time I see one of these "peace" protests the same question comes to mind. Do any of these assbags have jobs? They seem to have lots of time on their hands.
posted by JeepMaker at 07:25 P.M. EST on Tue Mar 20, 2007 #
Yes, I got it via email, and the email didn't give the impression that this was some type of a forwarded thing. I knew of the person who sent it but since he didn't give me permission to post his name, I didn't. He later commented and now that it's on Malkin's site his full name is known. I also know now that this was emailed around quite a bit.
I haven't heard from any of those who attended the protest but, one advantage of the picture being out there is if this did not happen or the person who was behind the mask was not one of their group? I'm sure one of them will speak up.
If I would have known it was not sent to just me I probably wouldn't have posted it, I only posted it because I thought it was something he wanted out there but for some reason didn't want to post himself either here or SwampBubbles. I get emails often where people would like me to know something, sometimes for the blog sometimes things they don't yet want on the blog.
Like I wrote on my blog, everybody deserves their 15 minutes of fame and it's obvious Malkin is going to give the story more attention the way they want it in larger numbers. No one has a chance there to post their opinion of it.
posted by psyche777 at 07:55 P.M. EST on Tue Mar 20, 2007 #
I would bet anything that this is not a serious peace activist but rather a "plant" by a pro Bushie to embarrass the antiwar movement. Why else the mask? Doesn't he want to be identified as the College Republican I am sure he is?
posted by Ace_Face at 08:18 P.M. EST on Tue Mar 20, 2007 #
Is this the only photo? One photo of one person, allegedly taken at UT, and this is somehow significant?
The best comment I've seen anywhere was posted by thetoledowire_com :
"Who cares."
Where's the photo of a whole group of people holding similar signs and burning flags or lots of photos of other individual protesters? That would be more significant, I think.
I noticed the photo was uploaded TO Swamp Bubbles. From the initial Swamp Bubbles posting :
"This picture was taken by a friend of mine outside the student union at The University of Toledo's "peace" rally today (3/19/07)."
I'm assuming a college student took the picture. If so, what college student does NOT have an account at one of the free photo-sharing sites like flickr or photobucket or an account at a social networking site that allows photo-uploading? Maybe the person does have a Facebook account, but the only way to see uploaded photos there is if we also have a Facebook account.
I'm just surprised that we don't see more photos of the entire event uploaded somewhere. Who takes one photo with a digital camera?
If students or employees at UT were shocked and appalled by what they saw in this photo, lighten up. Don't college students have more important things to get upset over?
posted by jr at 08:25 P.M. EST on Tue Mar 20, 2007 #
Speaking of Death to America ...
MADtv
posted by jr at 10:28 P.M. EST on Tue Mar 20, 2007 #
If students or employees at UT were shocked and appalled by what they saw in this photo, lighten up. Don't college students have more important things to get upset over?
I'm interested in seeing what tomorrow's edition of the Collegian has to say. I've asked my colleagues if they heard about it and no one has. I asked the students who work in our department and I asked my son, who works in RP and hears about a lot of stuff from the campus police. So far, every answer has been negative. It's a small sampling, I realize, but with as many comments that I've seen here, you'd think word would be spreading like wildfire.
HistoryMike, have you heard anything beyond what's been posted on the Internet?
posted by valbee at 10:13 A.M. EST on Wed Mar 21, 2007 #
I did talk with someone who attended the rally. She didn't see the sign holder, but she did hear some people off to the side chanting "Death to America." She said they apperared to be "doing their own thing," whatever that means.
She believes that the College Republicans are behind it, but offered no proof. She did not recognize any of the "Death to America" people.
I can't say whether the CRs were behind this or not. I do find it hard to believe that they just "happened" to be setting up a counter protest ("Support the Troops") on the day of anniversary of the invasion, and their claims that they were "unaware" of the antiwar protest fall flat. There have been signs all over campus for weeks promoting the rally.
Still, it's one thing to set up a peaceful counter protest, and quite another to engage in deception.
I'm also still of the belief that this could be a frat joke as much as a pro-war "plant." I suspect that the identity of the mask-wearers will eventually be leaked.
However, even the most radical of groups on campus (ISO, October 15 collective) do not use rhetoric like "Death to America." It sounds more like a Stephen Colbert-esque sendup than a real protest.
posted by historymike at 10:26 A.M. EST on Wed Mar 21, 2007 #
The College Republicans posted a bunch of flyers on campus featuring the aforementioned "Death to America" masked buffoon:
If history has taught us anything it is that we cant [sic] ignore these threats or we will wake up again one day with 3,000 friends and loved ones murdered.
If any of you have any tips on who this masked coward is then please contact the Cleveland FBI (XXX-XXX-XXXX) or the Detroit FBI Headquarters at: (XXX-XXX-XXXX).
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks?" -- Shakespeare, Act III. Scene II. Hamlet.
posted by historymike at 12:20 P.M. EST on Wed Mar 21, 2007 #
So the Republicans are behind the Death to America BS, and the Blade torched the scab workers car.
If I see a cross burning in someone's front yard and a buncha idiots in white hoods standing around, the first thing that crosses my mind is "It musta been a black dude did it to make em look bad..."
Cant cowardly morons just be cowardly morons?
posted by billy at 04:52 P.M. EST on Wed Mar 21, 2007 #
Nope, Billy, but a good cop always keeps his list of suspects open until the case is solved.
As far as I can see, both "crimes" are unsolved.
And agreed that cowardly morons are sometimes cowardly morons. If a union member really did attack the car, he or she should get thrown in jail.
If an antiwar protester really did shout "Death to America," he should get, well, whatever poetic justice should be meted out to idiots for saying stupid (or crowd-inciting) comments. Not sure I would call it "terrorism," but I am not a Patriot Act-wielding prosecutor or judge.
:-}
posted by historymike at 05:29 P.M. EST on Wed Mar 21, 2007 #
Since no one else has the guts to say this, even though we are all thinking it. This kid is a hero with more courage in his middle finger than all of the trash talking cowards on this board combined.
posted by thetoledowire_com at 09:45 P.M. EST on Wed Mar 21, 2007 #
"...we are all thinking it. This kid is a hero..."
No, in fact I was not thinking that.
posted by jacquetoledo at 08:46 P.M. EST on Fri Mar 23, 2007 #
Yeah, you were.
posted by thetoledowire_com at 10:20 P.M. EST on Sun Mar 25, 2007 #
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