http://www.wtol.com/Global/story.asp?S=3517282
still no link for the fox story but this is what WTOL has....
posted by psyche777 at 03:15 P.M. EST on Fri Jun 24, 2005 #
http://www.wspd.com/cc-common/local_news_common.html?ID=20050624153802&feed=local
Talking about it on Denny's show...and I agree. No politican or servant for the city be entitled to special service period.
Prosecution to the fullest extent. This issue SHOULD be not only investigated, but someone should be held accountable, Jay Black style.
It also looks like 4 police officers were involved, including the chief, and at what...an hour? So much for the budget.
posted by BrianInFlorida at 03:18 P.M. EST on Fri Jun 24, 2005 #
According to 13 news she was only given a 25 dollar parking ticket....
They also stated they will have Mayor Ford's comments at 6 that he stated everyone should be treated the same.
posted by psyche777 at 04:06 P.M. EST on Fri Jun 24, 2005 #
> My daughter's boyfriend was driving ....
What!? You mean the police didn't drive the car home for him as a courtesy? That's hard to believe given no special treatment was shown with respect to Hancock nee McConnell. Didn't the police on the scene call the chief to get his input??
swd
posted by swd at 04:14 P.M. EST on Fri Jun 24, 2005 #
No swd but I can guarantee you if there is a next time? I sure will call the Chief because now I know what a helfpul man he is...
:-)
posted by psyche777 at 04:18 P.M. EST on Fri Jun 24, 2005 #
Get caught behind the wheel of a car with an expired license and that's a free trip to jail, no matter where you are. Expired plates? Car gets towed. Drop the bomb that you're a Toledo Councilperson and all that just disappears...
Twenty five dollar parking ticket for expired tags and an expired license is what a public official living off the taxpayers dole pays for something a taxpayer has to sink two days into to get their situation straightened out, not including the financial hardship.
And to think all your renewal information is sent to you in the mail 90 days before expiration. It's too easy.
Don't get me started about her father comming along and using his position as a judge to save his kid, either.
posted by BrianInFlorida at 04:32 A.M. EST on Sat Jun 25, 2005 #
It's even worse than I thought. Today's Blade says that she was illegally parked in the 500 block of Erie. On the west side of Erie - the Toledo Police Department and the Municipal Court. On the east side of Erie - the Fire Alarm Building and...GOVERNMENT CENTER - the same government center that has an ATTACHED PARKING GARAGE...the same parking garage where EVERY CITY COUNCIL MEMBER HAS A FREE RESERVED PARKING SPOT.
So, it's not just that she wanted to make a quick stop at muni court (not for official business as a member of council, but for a private matter), it's that she's lazy - deciding to park illegally and use her position to get her out of trouble if she got caught instead of parking across the street in her free, reserved spot in the government center garage.
Again, these are the people we put in positions of authority in our community. Disgusting!
posted by intrepid at 05:52 A.M. EST on Sat Jun 25, 2005 #
Chief Navarre is quoted as saying "It's something that could be done for the average citizen and has been done," How exactly are they going to fund this tow lot scheme with this kind of attitude?
I know for a fact if you call Chief Navarre on his cell phone with a towing issue, you as a regular taxpayer not only would be investigated as to how you got his number in the first place, he'd hook you up for more than $25. Who is he again to intervene with an officer doing his duty? I didn't catch that part.
Besides, they're going to use Mr Walter for the fall guy to take heat off Chief Navarre for his favoritism because Ms. McConnell Hancock freaked out and climbed the ladder on her phone to get out of this mess, and I'm sure Mr Walter was apprised of the situation after Chief Navarre "cleaned up" Ms. McConnell Hancock's fubar.
I'm also pretty sure if my father was a judge sitting on the bench, he would leave the courtroom to deal with me and my $25 drama.
posted by BrianInFlorida at 06:37 A.M. EST on Sat Jun 25, 2005 #
She's up for re-election in November. Hopefully we won't forget by then.
posted by thinkingwoman at 09:42 A.M. EST on Sat Jun 25, 2005 #
Whoa, whoa, whoa!!!
[Sarcasm on]
Now shut up and pay attention.
How DARE you mere mortals question the actions of us royalty (a.k.a. elected officials) and our personal servants (a.k.a. selected city employees).
Stop, your yammering, take a minute and think about what you are saying and realize the grave error of your ways…
Now, get back about your trivial business and droll, unimportant little lives and try real hard to remember your place.
Pay your taxes (ALL of your taxes), don’t smoke anywhere in Toledo and keep on reelecting us (them, not me), like you always do, and never speak of this again.
You are dismissed.
[Sarcasm off]
:-)
posted by Hooda_Thunkit at 11:16 A.M. EST on Sat Jun 25, 2005 #
I'm still laughing over the fact that she claimed she didn't pull rank...then why bother to tell the Police Officer you were a City Councilperson?
As I wrote on my blog earlier, this is one of the main problems with Toledo Politics, the whole "family" connections and it's not just Democrats it's Republicans too.
Though from now on I think any of us that have a problem should ask the command officer to call Chief Navarre for us, after all if he does it for ordinary citizens too? Free parking for all!
:-)
posted by psyche777 at 12:23 P.M. EST on Sat Jun 25, 2005 #
Blade story about Hancock:
"Among the flurry of calls, Ms. McConnell Hancock telephoned Joe Walter, the city's safety director. Mr. Walter confirmed he took her call, but declined to discuss it further."
Mayor Ford said, "In a case of a mayor or councilman, if their car should be towed for a legitimate reason, there should not be any intervention."
I exchanged greetings with Mayor Ford this morning on the east side, and I didn't even think of this parking issue. I could have asked him about it. I'm sure the Mayor would have welcomed my questions.
"[Hancock's] predicament also drew the involvement of her father, Toledo Municipal Court Judge C. Allen McConnell, who was contacted by a sheriff's deputy while the judge was on the bench. When he went out to see if everything was OK, he found his daughter inside her car."
Frigging weird. Sounds like she needed daddy's help because some other kids were being mean to her. Poor baby. What a spoiled brat.
"Ms. McConnell Hancock, 33, said afterward that it was not the first time she had parked illegally on Erie. "I do it when I'm in a bind," she said."
Yes, the laws apparently don't apply to the hurried priviledged.
"The officer eventually began to write a parking citation and order a tow for her car. Before her car was hooked up to the tow truck, Ms. McConnell Hancock approached the officer, identified herself as a city councilman, and requested her car not be towed, the chief said."
Supreme arrogance on display. The police office should have replied "I don't give a shit who you are?"
If an office did say that, the officer would probably be fired. Are police officers afraid to cite government officials? Do they fear for their jobs if they ticket the rulers of our land?
Also in today's Blade is this story about a police officer being suspended.
"A Toledo police officer was suspended without pay for three days for neglect of duty after he failed to check on an elderly man, who was found dead in his home the next day."
"Officer Lemke and his partner were at Fire Station No. 9 in the 900 block of South Avenue June 3 when they were approached by a woman concerned about her neighbor, Malcolm Everett Samons, 74. She tried to enter his house with a key but found the door locked from the inside. Officer Lemke told her he would check the residence, police said."
"Chief Navarre said the officers then received a domestic disturbance call to which they responded. Officer Lemke forgot to respond to Mr. Samons' residence. The Lucas County coroner's office said his death was natural."
"The chief said Officer Lemke, who joined the force in 1999, was a good officer with no prior discipline."
How in the hell is this cause for a suspension? Maybe the person was already dead when the woman first contacted the police. Can't they get a rough idea of time of death? Wasn't there anyone else in the neighborhood that could have busted open a door or window?
The cop responded to a call and forgot about the guy, and that's cause for a three-day suspension? We have a councilperson violating multiple laws and she gets a $25 fine? WTF?
Hancock had an expired driver's license. She had expired license plates. She illegally parked in a tow-away zone. 25 bucks. And we're suppose to be dumb enough to believe that the rest of us would have been treated the same. What's great about this Hancock is she's "chairman of council's law and criminal justice committee." That's hilarious.
posted by jr at 03:54 P.M. EST on Sat Jun 25, 2005 #
It takes a lot of nerve for these people, the C.o.P., McConnell-Hancock et alia, to assert that this was a typical police response.
Let's change the facts a bit. Imagine it was councilman Luddimann (the name's been changed to protect the innocent), an older white man and a Republican who was the perp. When he illegally parked his car which he is the habit of doing when he's "in a bind" (remember he's an important person and laws for ordinary people don't apply to him), the police wanted to give him a ticket and tow the car, which also had expired tags. He became difficult and got into his car and refused to get out. While in the car, he called the mayor, the police commissioner, and the police chief. Because they're all Democrats, they were shocked by the suggestion that he was somehow entitled to a different standard than the common everyday union member citizenry of the great city of Toledo! None came promptly to his aid. Meanwhile, the police pulled the councilman out of his car and charged him with disobeying police instructions and resisting arrest. Councilman Luddiman's father, who also got a call from his son, arrived and asked to speak to him. He was arrested for interfering with police business. The car was towed. Meanwhile, the local rag, The Blab, had pictures of the councilman in the police car as it drove away and a highly critical news report on page one (above the fold) titled "Luddimann Arrested." Blab editorials daily call for Luddiman's immediate resignation. Etc. etc.
I'm sure "The Blade" hates reporting this story about McConnell! But they have no choice since the TV stations were in the act.
Anyway, it's clear that McConnell-Hancock got not just special treatment but very special treatment! Here are some questions I'd like to see the answers to. I have some others as well, but these will do as starters:
Who is this deputy who called her pappy off the bench! What did he tell McConnell pere and why?
What exactly did McConnell's pappy think was going on and what was he going to do about it?
What are the names of the people McConnell-Hancock called?
What exactly did McConnell-Hancock tell the high government officials in her phone calls to them?
What did high government officials do in response?
What exactly did McConnell-Hancock say to the police on the scene (before and after the chief arrived)?
Assuming McConnell-Hancock's car wasn't a hazard and a public safety matter, wasn't it illegal for the police to drive it to a lot?
If McConnell-Hancock made mistatements of fact or misrepresentations to the police, she could be liable to sanctions by the Ohio Bar. So, again, what did she say to police?
Did she in any way threaten the police on the scene? (That could be a crime.)
Why has she been driving with expired tags and driver's licence for at least 2 weeks?
Had she been in the muni court building immediately prior to the "incident?"
What had she been doing earlier that day?
[I'm sure "The Blade" won't be providing any answers!]
swd
posted by swd at 04:48 P.M. EST on Sat Jun 25, 2005 #
Oops. Forgot a question. K. M-Hancock sounds like she might have been a little surprised over the rumpus. Makes me wonder if on those previous occasions when she illegally parked she'd gotten used to her tickets being fixed with minimum fuss.
swd
posted by swd at 09:01 P.M. EST on Sat Jun 25, 2005 #
I don't think Lemke should have been suspended -- if the neighbor was that worried she could have called 911 and then there would have been a car officially sent out rather than mentioning it to them at a Firestation --
People call 911 for a heck of alot less important reasons than that --
posted by psyche777 at 09:21 P.M. EST on Sat Jun 25, 2005 #
Have you ever had a thread hanging down from your pant-leg, shirt sleeve or skirt? You give it a little yank and the whole hem falls out?What could have been a simple, kind of costly, rather embarrassing situation, cascaded into a very costly, very embarrassing, and now a complex one. First rule, you make a mistake, you admit and you fix it. Hopefully you learn from it and don't repeat it. Second rule, don't argue with the police. Take your ticket and contest it you chose, and go to court. If the police find you have broken the law, keep your mouth shut and do what you're told. If I found myself in the same position as Ms. McConnell-Hancock, I may have thought about calling for help, but I wouldn't have. I wouldn't have wanted to have anyone else involved. I'm sure the media would have done a piece on it, but it would have been a much shorter one. Now look at all the characters in the drama that has been created. Regarding my comment on not calling for help, I think actually I would have called on God. To help keep my wits about me and to do the right thing. But, we all panick from time to time, and during that time, we don't always use the best judgement. I'm thinking Ms. McConnell-Hancock would handle the whole situation differently if given a "do over", but she can't. In the same way I taught my children, when you leave the house you represent your family and your actions reflect on them. So do your best to honor and respect your family's honor and character. Your actions, even though they are your own, come back home. Now, not only is her family in the limelight, now her political "family" is as well. One very tough lesson to learn, the hard way.
posted by louie1961 at 04:21 A.M. EST on Mon Jun 27, 2005 #
> Have you ever had a thread hanging down ... i.e., the McConnell-Hancock part of the story
The important thing about this incident isn't so much McConnell-Hancock (should she have gotten a ticket or not, towed, disbarred etc.), it's what others in the local government did (corruption) for her.
I'm still waiting for the result of the Blade's investigation of this matter and what it says about local government!
This is another chance for "The Blade" to show us how honest and unbiased a source of news it is!
The Blade is great at jumping all over Republicans at even the slightest hint of impropriety, but, well, let's just see how the local Democrats, especially Democrats who are on the "A" list, are treated.
swd
posted by swd at 02:50 P.M. EST on Mon Jun 27, 2005 #
As it turns out, the police have finally decided to charge Karyn McConnell-Hancock for having expired license plates and not having a valid operator's license. http://www.foxtoledo.com/index.cfm?action=dsp_story&storyid=71627
Who decided to do this? Was it Chief Navarre? Nooooooo, he's the one who interferred with the police officer doing his duty in the first place, trying to cover up Karyn McConnell-Hancock screw up.
Or is Chief Navarre exposing his hypocritical side, where he can say one thing and three days later mean a completely different other thing. Maybe Chief Navarre lied about offering the same service Karyn McConnell-Hancock received to the general public.
So many questions and not one person held accountable for something that should have been done at the time of the violation. Chief Navarre should just stay in his office and come out for press exposure because he obviously isn't qualified to delegate the law appropriately.
I think this is a tad more severe than calling in a talk show and using another persons name...let's see if Chief Navarre has the cajones to do the right thing.....
posted by BrianInFlorida at 04:04 P.M. EST on Mon Jun 27, 2005 #
Is this normal to be cited for overlooked violations a few days after the incident? Oh gee, we forgot to give you tickets for these other violations, so here you go. It's good, however, that she is finally getting charged, but I wonder what brought about this change?
posted by jr at 05:21 P.M. EST on Mon Jun 27, 2005 #
Methinks this blog, and the thread started by psyche777, had at least a small part to play.
I give kudos also to Frantz, Shaffer, Fox-36, and Toledo 11 for relentlessly pointing out the hypocrisy of Duchess McConnell-Hancock's petulant whining.
What a pompous ass, irrespective of party. She needs to get booted in November to send a message to our would-be overlords:
WE DO NOT HAVE TO TAKE THIS CRAP, AND WE WILL SEND YOU PACKING IF YOU ANGER US .
posted by historymike at 08:25 P.M. EST on Mon Jun 27, 2005 #
I also think it fair to mention Mayor Ford rather quickly commented that no one should receive special treatment.
Perhaps the additional charges came after his discussion with the Safety Director.
The media does deserve major credit though, because had they not covered it? I doubt we'd know it even happened.
posted by psyche777 at 09:13 P.M. EST on Mon Jun 27, 2005 #
It's one thing to play the game to protect youself, but it's a completely different thing to deny screwing up, especially after the "city" decided to ticket the violator for their CRIME and for Chief Navarre to interfere with police protocol.
Chief Navarre...how do you plead? YOU are the one to interfere with police procedure and voilate a paid public employee from doing his job. There is NO excuse. Chief Navarre made the decision to "overlook" the violations of the LAW. He should be held accountable.
posted by BrianInFlorida at 09:56 P.M. EST on Mon Jun 27, 2005 #
I wonder if Chief Navarre made the decision to suspend Lemke? If so, maybe Navarre does need to suspend himself over this McConnell-Hancock issue.
posted by jr at 10:04 P.M. EST on Mon Jun 27, 2005 #
I disagree with one point. The issue IS what SHE did. Sidebar; what OTHERS did in the wake of her actions. I've read the opinion that her father came out to rescue her. I don't think he came to rescue her, to the contrary. I'm betting he came out, maybe with a smile on his face - you don't share the real deal with anyone but your family - not at all happy with the whole situation. Rest assured he took it up with her at a more appropriate time. The issue at hand was to conclude what was rapidly becoming an ugly situation and we saw its conclusion, like it or not. Circumstances alter cases, I guess. I can't say my car would have been driven away by a police officer, I'm sure it would have been towed. But, I don't have all the details. I have only what was aired and printed in the news. I can say that I have been given the benefit of the doubt on one occassion by the police. I was stopped for a headlamp that was out and asked for driver's license and registration - No diver's license in my purse, only my U of T Student ID, strike one. No registration in the car, strike two. No VIN that was legible to ID the car, strike three. Now in my defense, I had borrowed this car from a friend as mine was in the shop so the infractions were not my responsibility - the license was, not the others. The police told me take the car HOME and PARK it, carry my license at all times (no brainer) and sent me on my way. That was 17 years ago, I was just slightly younger than Ms. McConnell-Hancock. But the stark difference is, as each detail unfolded, I sat politely and quietly while they decided my fate. As it turned out, I was given a break. I'm certain there are all kinds of horror stories to the contrary, but my point is sometimes, more often than we actually hear, we are given a verbal warning and the chance to correct the problem without the ticket being issued. In closing, I'm not defending what took place with Ms. McConnell-Hancock. In fact I think she handled it with rather poor judgement. But, she has to live with her actions, not me.
posted by louie1961 at 05:12 A.M. EST on Tue Jun 28, 2005 #
Way to go A team!!
posted by maverick at 11:06 A.M. EST on Tue Jun 28, 2005 #
Well if you read the blade today..appears Chief Navarre is stating he wasn't aware of some of the facts when he stopped the tow:
The chief said on Friday he was led to believe the officer didn't see Ms. McConnell Hancock driving. Yesterday, the officer confirmed he saw her pull into the spot, and the chief directed him to issue her the citations.
Ms. McConnell Hancock received a $25 parking ticket Friday.
"It didn't realize it wasn't just a parking violation. I accept responsibility for that," the chief said. "If I knew Friday, I would have instructed them to cite her Friday."
Ms. McConnell Hancock, 33, was driving with an expired driver's license and license plates when she pulled into the spot across from the court.
The officer approached her and told her she was parked illegally, an observation also pointed out by a citizen. Ms. McConnell Hancock told the officer she would be in court for a short period of time and left.
The officer eventually began to write a parking citation and ordered a tow for her car. Before her car was hooked up to the tow truck, Ms. McConnell Hancock approached the officer, identified herself as a city councilman, and requested her car not be towed, the chief said.
He said she was upset that her car was going to be towed. The chief was notified of the situation and canceled the tow. An officer then drove her car to a parking spot reserved for councilmen in the Government Center parking garage at Erie and Beech Street.
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050628/NEWS16/506280371/-1/NEWS
posted by psyche777 at 11:16 A.M. EST on Tue Jun 28, 2005 #
What you are witnessing in this particular story is political backstepping.
Chief Navarre knew full well why the police officer was issuing a tow. The police officer was doing his JOB. I'd truly enjoy seeing that "taxpayer paid" cell phone bill and find out what time Ms. McConnell Hancock actually did contact Chief Navarre and compare it to when the officer called in to find out the expirations of her license and plates.
Explain to me why on WNWO's web page, dated June 24th, did it quote "Chief Navarre overruled the officer on the scene, cancelling the tow -- on the condition that McConnell-Hancock renew her registration and driver's license. An officer then drove McConnell-Hancock's car to her spot inside the Government Center parking garage."
http://nbc24.com/Global/story.asp?s=3518611
If you read the Blah's report today, and is quoted above in Psyche's post, ""It didn't realize it wasn't just a parking violation. I accept responsibility for that," the chief said. "If I knew Friday, I would have instructed them to cite her Friday."
Hey Chief, HELLOOOOOOO??? You still don't get it. You screwed up and now you're using a lame tactic to cover your ass. It just blew up in your face. Nice job.
posted by BrianInFlorida at 03:43 P.M. EST on Tue Jun 28, 2005 #
"Sitting in the center of Toledo City Council's elevated dais, President Pro Tem Karyn McConnell Hancock last night apologized for several recent traffic tickets, and said her husband's involvement in a fatal crash had shown her the importance of all "traffic matters." "
Well, isn't that special of her.
"But at least one council member found the comments inappropriate."
Councilman Michael Ashford said:
"I want to thank you for informing all of us of that horrible accident that happened [Monday] night, and taking a leadership role in asking us to stand for a moment of silence. However, I think I should remind all of my colleagues that we are here to conduct city business, and that your personal problems regarding your tickets should have waited."
"After the meeting, Mr. Ashford said the president pro tem's use of her position was unprecedented. "I've never seen anybody use the position like that," he said."
It doesn't appear that Hancock has learned anything.
posted by jr at 12:21 P.M. EST on Wed Jun 29, 2005 #
What a fruitcake. I can't believe McConnell-Hancock would use the tragedy to deflect attention away from her own stupidity.
Just for the sake of asking: exactly how many other traffic fatalities has McConnell-Hancock done this for? My guess: zero.
Someone please correct me if I am wrong. Does Duchess Karyn make these solemn pronouncements on a regular basis?
Please pass the vomit bag; the Duchess's crude use of tragedy to obfuscate her own wrongdoing sickens me like nothing in recent memory.
posted by historymike at 12:39 P.M. EST on Wed Jun 29, 2005 #
I agree that this "tragedy" played out in Toledo City Council was in poor taste and was a poorly designed attempt to deflect attention away from her. Has this women no shame?!
But, the real issue isn't so much McConnell-Hancock's shortcomings, which become more obvious, it seems, with each passing day, but what others in the local government did on her behalf.
There should be an outside investigation of the whole affair! Certainly we want to make sure that local government is conducted for the benefit of all and not just the privileged few.
swd
posted by swd at 01:49 P.M. EST on Wed Jun 29, 2005 #
Agreed.
But this is how it works right now, and it would be the same if the Repubs dominated.
We need to send a loud message that corruption, nepotism, and favoritism must go.
Let's start with KM-H. Any good web page designers out there? Let's start a web page documenting Duchess Karyn's BS and plaster links to it all over the place.
I am not sure an investigation would do much, because it would be self-administered. This is not a big enough issue for a state agency to get fired up about.
It might be good to do one, though, to energize voters when the results come back and nothing happens.
posted by historymike at 02:59 P.M. EST on Wed Jun 29, 2005 #
Two things to remember about KM-H...she's an attorney bound by a code of ethics - violation of which can get her disbarred. She's also a sitting elected official bound by a code of ethics - violation of which can cause her to lose her office.
So, she used her position as a city councilman to try and avoid a traffic citation - a clear violation of the state ethics laws in that she attempted to use the power of her office for personal gain. Further, as stated on one of the other threads(think this one was on Taft), exercising authority not yours to exercise is cause for removal from office.
As for her legal ethics, trying to use her position to contravene the municipal laws probably qualifies as unacceptable behavior for which she could be censured. All that would take would be a complaint to the Bar Association - and that can be done annonymously....
posted by intrepid at 06:06 P.M. EST on Wed Jun 29, 2005 #
Consider it done. I would imagine that TT posters have already begun the angry letters.
posted by historymike at 07:02 P.M. EST on Wed Jun 29, 2005 #
So Bob Franz reported Wednesday (I believe) that there was actually a camera and recording of the whole event. He learned this in an off-air conversation with the Chief of Police... Wonder why that hasn't been released yet.
posted by intrepid at 03:27 P.M. EST on Thu Jun 30, 2005 #
Toledo 11 had it at noon. Not much there; Duchess Karyn was pretty calm, but asked for a "professional courtesy."
posted by historymike at 05:03 P.M. EST on Thu Jun 30, 2005 #
I just want to note that's it's been 6 days since this fiasco unfolded and it seems all actors are still employed in their jobs, yet Jay Black sits at home trying to make heads or tails of his unemployment form for a simple brainfart to a TV show.
What was that quote from Mayor Jack Ford? "In a case of a mayor or councilman, if their car should be towed for a legitimate reason, there should not be any intervention."
Well, there was intervention, Jack, and the video AND audio is all over TV, yet no accountability has been taken. What was it Toledo Police leaders said? Oh yeah...they are not commenting on the tape but say it should speak for itself.
I watched it and it spoke volumes.
posted by BrianInFlorida at 05:55 P.M. EST on Thu Jun 30, 2005 #
Speaking of people not fired, what about this story from earlier in the week:
"Personal information for 900 current and former employees at the county child protection agency was leaked outside the office, and the workers were urged to monitor their credit records. Lucas County Children Services has suspended the employee suspected of e-mailing the information - including phone numbers and Social Security numbers - from a personnel database to an outside computer."
That's it, suspended? I believe most companies in the private sector would fire the person immediately and possibly file criminal charges.
"Because the Toledo Police Department has no computer investigation division, the case has been forwarded to the state's backlogged Bureau of Criminal Identification and Investigation. The bureau predicts a seven-month delay in investigating the case."
Holy hell-fire. The person better be at least suspended without pay. Too much protection for these government employees.
posted by jr at 07:46 P.M. EST on Thu Jun 30, 2005 #
> Toledo 11 had it (tape of K M-H parking incident) at noon. Not much there; Duchess Karyn was pretty calm, but asked for a "professional courtesy."
Professional courtesy, eh?
Did this tape show the arrival of her father, the judge? The police chief??
Whose tape is this? Channel 11's?
They must not have shown the whole tape, I'm guessing it would be pretty long .... If not, I'd like to see the whole thing .... They can put it on their web site, right?? Also, why have they delayed broadcasting this for so long (apparently)?
As far as K M-H and the bar goes, well, let's see, these and others might have some application:
http://www.sconet.state.oh.us/Rules/professional/#c1
http://www.sconet.state.oh.us/Rules/professional/#c9
See generally
http://www.sconet.state.oh.us/Rules/professional/
http://www.sconet.state.oh.us/BOC/
Maybe "The Blade" or its minions have filed a complaint already?? We all know how concerned they are about ethics in politics! Ha ha!
swd
posted by swd at 07:51 P.M. EST on Thu Jun 30, 2005 #
> Lucas County Children Services ....
Has "The Blade" reported on this ...? This seems like a fairly major story to me.
And, jr, you're right. Despite what the liberal media likes to say about Enron etc., I'm sure if this was the public sector this person would be out of a job before they knew what hit them. Seems standards are pretty lax when it comes to civil servants in Lucas County ....
Frankly, I'd class it as on par with Tom Noe and the 10 million, but not quite in the same league as MDL, Forbes, and the 200 + million.
swd
posted by swd at 07:57 P.M. EST on Thu Jun 30, 2005 #
McConnell-Hancock: This was the dash-cam from the police cruiser. The sound was muted, and you saw K M-H moving around. It was released by TPD.
LCCS - I agree about suspension being a light punishment, unless this was inadvertnet, like attaching the wrong file to the email or something stupid. The story does not say if the employee was doing this for gain, or whether they were just a blithering idiot.
Either way, I would fire 'em, but if they were doing it for fraudulent purposes, I say: book 'em Dan-o.
posted by historymike at 08:18 P.M. EST on Thu Jun 30, 2005 #
13 has the video or at least a small part of it on their site...I wonder what you would have to do to get the complete video....
anyone?
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/#
posted by psyche777 at 08:51 P.M. EST on Thu Jun 30, 2005 #
In this morning's paper KM-H was quoted as saying, "But not everyone else is an elected official." Was she elected? I thought she was appointed to fill an unexpired term.
posted by thinkingwoman at 07:52 A.M. EST on Fri Jul 01, 2005 #
From her bio on the Toledo City Council website: "On March 4, 2003, Karyn was appointed to Toledo City Council as an at-large representative and elected into the position in November 2003."
posted by valbee at 08:50 A.M. EST on Fri Jul 01, 2005 #
At CSB, the reason the employee was suspended and not fired has to do with union contracts and pre-disciplinary hearing requirements...the evidence has to be reviewed by the computer investigations unit before the actual charges against the employee can be given...hence the suspension with pay.
Union contracts again...so out of touch with what us normal people have to live with...
posted by intrepid at 10:53 A.M. EST on Fri Jul 01, 2005 #
"... hence the suspension with pay."
You've got to be kidding. With pay? And it won't be investigated until next year. How convenient. What a treat. Everyone should be so lucky. No wonder people join a militia. The investigators will probably determine it to be a simple accident or misunderstanding. Getting that kind of info out of a database and e-mailing it over the Internet is no accident. And let's say it was a so-called accident, what kind of incompetent boobs are working there?
posted by jr at 11:47 A.M. EST on Fri Jul 01, 2005 #
Thanks valbee. I guess I wasn't paying very good attention in 2003. :-)
posted by thinkingwoman at 12:32 P.M. EST on Fri Jul 01, 2005 #
BTW, there are three videos on www.toledoblade.com.
posted by thinkingwoman at 01:13 P.M. EST on Fri Jul 01, 2005 #
You know, I was just at the courthouse with my dad the other day. He's not disabled enough to qualify for a handicapped tag, but he doesn't walk very well. We ended up parking in the garage on the top level and since I didn't notice an elevator anywhere, he had to navigate the steps to get down to the pedestrian bridge and then walk around the garage to the municipal court. On our way back, he opted to stand out in the heat near the attendant booth and wait for me to get the car, just to not have to deal with those steps again.
If Karyn's not going to use her free parking spot in the garage, which is very conveniently located near the entrance, I think the rest of us "ordinary citizens" should get dibs on it, first come, first served.
posted by valbee at 01:36 P.M. EST on Fri Jul 01, 2005 #
> If Karyn's not going to use her free parking spot in the garage ....
That's an interesting point. What do you suppose her reaction would be if she got there and found someone had parked in her reserved spot? I bet there'd be a policeman there and a tow in no time! ;-) Excuses about being elderly and having difficulties walking etc. would avail you not!!
Anyway, from the bits of the tv 13 video, which is obviously heavily edited, seems like the cops on the beat made the right call initially ....
Again, I'd like to know what was the extent of the involvement of other parties in this situation?
swd
posted by swd at 02:48 P.M. EST on Fri Jul 01, 2005 #
> in re Lucas County Children's Services ....
For grins, I searched through the online Blade. Now maybe I'm not typing the magic keywords, but I find absolutely no reference to this story.
If, in fact, "The Blade" hasn't reported on it, well, why not?!
Again, they're quite anxious to report alleged incompetence elsewhere, why not here?
Regarding the delay in investigation, well, that's just plain unacceptable.
This makes "The Blade's" apparent reluctance to report this story even more interesting. "The Blade" might be able to place that on the doorstep of their nemeses, Taft and the Republicans. ;-) Or could they?? Maybe other major cities in Ohio have local police departments that could investigate computer crimes?
Indeed, I wonder if such a incident involving personal data etc. would implicate federal laws? Perhaps the FBI could be called in to investigate??
Anyway, given this delay, I wonder what steps, if any, have been taken to preserve evidence? I'm suspicious that the lengthy delay will ultimately translate into there's nothing now worth investigating, i.e., the evidence, if any, is gone.
swd
posted by swd at 03:10 P.M. EST on Fri Jul 01, 2005 #
swd - computers at work and home were seized. the question is - what did the employee do with the data? that's why they want the BCI to go over the computer...
the officials at CSB caught this and turned it over to police.
and there's a warning for former employees of CSB on the county website: co.lucas.oh.us
posted by intrepid at 05:00 P.M. EST on Fri Jul 01, 2005 #
Boy did THIS story vaporize into thin air.
You guys were right, it's politics as usual at 22 Government Center.
posted by BrianInFlorida at 03:53 A.M. EST on Wed Jul 06, 2005 #
In The City Paper Paula Ross' column discussed Ms. M-H and said she could have coasted into another term and now will have to rebuild her reputation.
I hope the voters see through any "trust building".
posted by thinkingwoman at 08:42 A.M. EST on Wed Jul 06, 2005 #
> Boy did THIS story vaporize into thin air.
Well, the local media weren't exactly pursuing it with abandon!
K M-H and the County ID theft: I wonder what other stories in local government "The Blade" et alia are ignoring?
By the way, don't be surprised if K M-H is reelected. She'll get the black vote regardless what she did. At worst, "The Blade" won't be for or against her as far as endorsements go. But, I wouldn't be surprised if they did endorse her. Regardless, the Toledo proles will vote for her, she's a Democrat, for the little people etc. ;-)
swd
posted by swd at 02:10 P.M. EST on Wed Jul 06, 2005 #
Yep, she's in for life, regardless of what she does, for all the reasons swd mentioned.
posted by Foolkiller at 05:41 P.M. EST on Wed Jul 06, 2005 #
Jay Black caved in way too easily......
posted by BrianInFlorida at 08:36 P.M. EST on Wed Jul 06, 2005 #
I was LIVID when I read this story. About a year ago my second oldest son forgot to renew his license sticker for his car. It was less than a month overdue. he went out at night to get gas and a cop waited till he pulled out onto the street and pulled him over and gave him a ticket for it. Now, this kid is respectful, never been in trouble, never even had a traffic ticket. No polite warning, just a ticket that cost him $106.00. That $106.00 represents approximately 1/4th of his take home pay on a 2 week check. He works full time, outside, REAL work, not like our esteemed councilpersons.
Like I've said for years, in this country we have 2 legal systems, 1 for the rich and powerful, and 1 for the rest of us.
posted by JeepMaker at 12:57 P.M. EST on Fri Jul 15, 2005 #
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