New version of Toledo Talk


    August 3, 2005

Open thread discussing Toledo's mayoral candidates - News, events, and discussions on the candidates leading up to the Sep 13 primary.
posted by jr to politics at 11:28 A.M. EST     (223 Comments)


Comments ...


Some consolidation. Moved the Opal Covey interview topic with its comments here. The TFP will have interviews with all the candidates, so I thought it would be simpler to keep the Toledo mayoral race talk in one topic. Not just the TFP interviews but any news about the candidates.
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Opal Covey interview - In the July 27 Toledo Free Press, Opal gave a dire prediction for Toledo if she's not elected mayor.

"God gave Covey a message for the voters of Toledo last week. The candidate read the prophecy aloud: "A blessed new government awaits you. This is the second and last opportunity to choose a new government for Toledo through My servant Opal, whom I have sent for the job. Toledo is dead; she will resurrect through Me. If you choose to keep the old criminal government that has been cursed for many decades, the city will be destroyed." "

A few other Opal thoughts:

"On a new sports arena: Covey said a new arena should be built on the East Side."

"On Toledo’s assets: Covey said she wants to build on the strength of existing Toledo cultural landmarks."

"On public schools: Covey said discord between district officials and the union is the most serious problem facing Toledo Public Schools."

"On the Downtown business district: The key to reviving Downtown Toledo, according to Covey, is the development of a riverfront amusement park."

"On her most formidable opponent: Covey said that the "forces of destruction," or the traditional area politicians, desperately want to stop her from being elected."


posted by jr to politics on Aug 2, 2005 at 7:07 P.M. EST


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Uh Huh...

And, did her "dire predictions" say anything about pigs flying?
posted by Hooda_Thunkit at 08:44 P.M. EST on Tue Aug 02, 2005


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Opal is a nice lady in person, and she seems lucid and knowledgeable.

However, her prophecies make it easy to assume that she is a couple of slices short of a full loaf.
posted by historymike at 11:03 A.M. EST on Wed Aug 03, 2005

posted by jr at 11:35 A.M. EST on Wed Aug 03, 2005     #



Wilkowski said Ford flunked mathematics, and Keith also dredged up old news from March.

"In a clash over job creation numbers, Toledo mayoral candidate Keith Wilkowski yesterday challenged Mayor Jack Ford's billboard claims of job creation. Mr. Wilkowski also attacked the billboard he was standing under, saying that tax dollars spent to promote Mr. Ford's job creation statistics would be better spent on job creation."

"By Mr. Wilkowski's calculations, Toledo has lost 12,600 jobs between the time he took office and February, 2005. Contrasting that with the mayor's highly touted March claim that Toledo had created 2,842 new jobs since 2002 through the efforts of the city's economic development department, Mr. Wilkowski said at a press conference that Mr. Ford needed a math lesson. He then brought in an elementary school teacher, one of his campaign volunteers, who gave Mr. Ford an "F" in math."


Simple explanation here. 2800 new jobs were probably created, but thousands more were lost. So it's just a matter of Ford not providing all the facts. It's a common tactic used in politics and in the media.

"Mayor Ford's spokesman, Mary Chris Skeldon, said that the mayor admitted during the 2004 presidential election that there has been a loss of jobs in Toledo, but emphasized that "the city has done its best to create jobs in tough economic times." She said since the original figure of "2,842 new jobs created" was released in March, the city has lured hundreds of additional jobs to the area through employer incentives. However, she admitted that the mayor's billboard claims of job creation only include job gains, and did not take into account any job losses the city has sustained."

posted by jr at 11:49 A.M. EST on Wed Aug 03, 2005     #



Government cannot create jobs unless they are the ones doing the hiring. I would like to know how many of these 2800 new jobs were city hires.
posted by thinkingwoman at 11:59 A.M. EST on Wed Aug 03, 2005     #



Some excerpts from the TFP interview with Carty Finkbeiner.

Carty said, "The self-confidence of Toledoans is not what it was when I left office. We have fallen behind in many areas — Southwyck, the Marina District, the new arena. I want to get the city moving again."

"On the location of a new sports arena: The candidate said he was less concerned about a new arena’s location than he was with following the wishes of the voters."

About the Marina District, Carty said, "We need to build the marina district — in my judgment, the Marina District is far more important to Toledo in terms of credibility to the voters, as well as providing an exciting entertainment area to attract visitors."

"On how he sees the media: Finkbeiner took the blame for any failures by his administrations to be media-friendly."

"On top priorities: The candidate said one of his first priorities will be to reinvigorate the employees of city government."

Carty said about growing Toledo, "Wherever you see a city that is a growing metropolis, you see business people rolling up their sleeves. In these cities, there are emerging technologies — robotics, computers, alternative fuels — that we need to attract, because the manufacturing economy is not growing. We need some business leaders willing to serve on the school boards. We need some business-like thinking in our public school system, as well as on our city council."

posted by jr at 11:59 A.M. EST on Wed Aug 03, 2005     #



Some recent topics related to the candidates:

Candidate Websites...

Smiling Jack Ford upset about Carty remarks

Opal Covey

Carty is running

Carty party

I like Jack

Who's term was it anyway? (Carty-Ford)

Carty Must be Rolling Over in His Grave

What Will Wilkowski Do?

Toledo joins Mayors in embracing Kyoto Rules

Was it you Jack or was it you Rob?

posted by jr at 12:26 P.M. EST on Wed Aug 03, 2005     #



"Mayor Jack Ford added nearly $145,000 to his re-election campaign during the first six months of 2005 - more money than all three of his main mayoral challengers have combined, according to mid-year campaign finance reports."
posted by jr at 12:39 P.M. EST on Wed Aug 03, 2005     #



Frank wrote that Ford has something over $350,000 left at this point on his blog the other day. I could not help pondering that level of contribution when there are so many people in this area that need assistance and organziations having a hard time meeting needs, the Food Bank as just one example of many. To me part of the problem is the need for a candidate to have to raise that amount of money to win.

It shouldn't be like that.

posted by psyche777 at 01:09 P.M. EST on Wed Aug 03, 2005     #



Speaking of the Food Bank - they do a helluva job with the resources they have! I applaud them 100%!

And for any that might be interested - there is a Chuck Wagon Benefit on Saturday, Aug. 6th at the Toledo Yacht Club on Summit St. to benefit the Food Bank. Tickets are $25 each or $60 for a family of four and 100% of the money is going to the FB from what I'm told. There's food, music, games, ets. A true family event!

I think it starts at 6:oo.

posted by DoknowDocare at 07:03 P.M. EST on Wed Aug 03, 2005     #



The first sentence of Jack Ford's biography on his website says it all.

Jack Ford...is responsible for nearly 2,800 employees, a $400 million budget...

He is boasting about the size of these numbers. The implication is that the higher these numbers, the more accomplished he is. So the higher higher taxes can be raised and the more people he can hire with those taxes, the better he is.

...and the health and welfare of 307,000 Toledoans.

He is responsible for the health and welfare of Toledoans. If that's the case, then he is saying that health and welfare cannot be achieved without his 2,800 person organization and it's $400 million.

Go liberals! YEA!

posted by babbleman at 11:22 P.M. EST on Wed Aug 03, 2005     #



I don't often cross post what I write on my blog here, but rather than post it new felt it might be more appropriate on this thread:

Rob Ludeman attempts to connect then misses...

While none of the Toledo Mayoral candidates are bloggers, nor are any of them making use of the internet to the level they could; it briefly appeared that Rob Ludeman was interested in some type of immediate contact/feedback by creating a message board that was linked to his campaign website. Problem is it appears Rob never bothered to comment there. Now the link to the board has been removed from Rob's site. It still exists for those of us who had it individually bookmarked (at least at this point) but why bother to make an attempt to be "net savy" then not follow thru?

Granted, some of the posters there (especially those named after Sesame Street Characters, you know who you are) were not nice at times, but I've seen Frank Szollosi take some pretty hard hits on his blog and continue to offer a public forum. Most of what was written on Rob's board would have been quelled had he or one of his staffers bothered to respond to anything.

On a personal basis, I like Rob, I went to the same high school as Rob did and knew of him even though he was older. I am a former South Ender, that's where I grew up. I don't harbor any personal resentment that he beat a relative of mine in a council race a few years ago, but I'm not getting the feeling that Rob is really trying to run for office. Yes, I happened to have the radio on yesterday morning and just as I was about to switch Bob Frantz off heard him start talking about Keith Wilkowski and what an excellent job he is doing in getting his name and ideas out there. Moments later Rob called in the program to counter some of what was said. So we do know you are paying attention.

I rarely agree with Bob Frantz but Rob? I'm beginning to think those who state you are being nothing more than a Republican place holder in the mayoral race might be right. That's a shame, because you could do better than that.

posted by psyche777 at 12:15 A.M. EST on Thu Aug 04, 2005     #



I also caught a little of Rob's call-in, but it was with Fred L. Frantz is on vacation this week. So the good news is, you didn't agree with Bob. Didn't Rob say somewhere that soon he would come out with his plan?
posted by jr at 09:42 A.M. EST on Thu Aug 04, 2005     #



A few other past topics I forgot to mention above:

Debates - The second debate is scheduled for Aug 18 at 7:00 p.m. "All four top candidates have accepted, and the sponsors said they will invite all candidates whose names appear on the ballot."

Mayor Ford's State of the City speeches:
2005
2004
2003

posted by jr at 09:57 A.M. EST on Thu Aug 04, 2005     #



Thanks jr, I don't know why I remembered it being Bob, guess lack of sleep is catching up to me. I'm hearing Fred and thinking Bob....

:-)

posted by psyche777 at 11:19 A.M. EST on Thu Aug 04, 2005     #



Keith "The Stunt" Wilkowski is at it again. The other day he had a campaign volunteer pretend to be a school teacher that gave Mayor Ford an "F" in math.

"Toledo mayoral candidate Keith Wilkowski yesterday brought in bigger guns: a man in a superhero suit. The Taxpayer's Advocate, with a letter "T" taped over the typical red-on-blue "S," represented a new city government position that Mr. Wilkowski would create, if elected, to address citizen complaints."

"The advocate's superpower would be an unfettered penchant for cutting through bureaucratic red tape, which the costumed crusader did with an oversized pair of scissors during Mr. Wilkowski's press conference yesterday."



Interesting exchange between Ford and Wilkowski over the Tax Advocate:

"Mayor Jack Ford's re-election campaign responded by issuing a statement: "Solid, hard work gets the job done, not flashy gimmicks." The mayor's office added that the advocate position would be redundant: The "Call City Hall" program - a call center at One Government Center reached at 419-936-2020 - handles complaints by referring citizens to the correct city department and advising them on how to proceed."

"But Mr. Wilkowski said that's not enough. "It refers them back to the same people that weren't doing the job to start with," he said."


These are interesting campaign tactics used by Keith that no one else is trying. How can you forget a guy dressed like this? (Blade photo)



A week or two ago, Keith came out with a humorous top 10 list of Toledo development projects or ideas that have gone nowhere in the past few years, but I cannot find that list. Anyway, Keith is trying to keep the campaign process funny as well as serious.


More from Keith's press conference yesterday:

"Mr. Wilkowski also said the city should utilize its computer mapping and data tracking program - known as its Geographic Information System - to a much larger degree, so that such things as nuisance and garbage pickup complaints are plotted."

"Mary Chris Skeldon, a spokesman for Mayor Ford's administration, said the GIS system has been "vastly" expanded during the Ford administration, including an agreement with Lucas County to share its use, and mapping the area's sewer and storm water lines. Mr. Wilkowski also said he would work toward an overhaul of the city's charter, code, and departmental rules and regulations, which he called unwieldy and archaic."


It was an arcane city charter rule that prevented the 2003 strict smoking ban idea from going to a public vote.

posted by jr at 10:07 A.M. EST on Fri Aug 05, 2005     #



jr, she was really a school teacher from what I understood, granted a campaign volunteer, but if I missed where it was stated she was a pretend teacher could you point that out for me?

Is TA man cheesy? Yes, but it got his name in the media again. It also shows he's got some creativity (or his campaign staff has some creativity) which is not a bad thing.

:-)

posted by psyche777 at 10:15 A.M. EST on Fri Aug 05, 2005     #



From the Blade article: "He then brought in an elementary school teacher, one of his campaign volunteers, who gave Mr. Ford an "F" in math."

I guess she wasn't wearing a cape and is real.

posted by jr at 10:25 A.M. EST on Fri Aug 05, 2005     #



I saw that in the Blade article, I thought perhaps you had heard someplace else that she wasn't a real teacher.

Thank you.

:-)

posted by psyche777 at 10:35 A.M. EST on Fri Aug 05, 2005     #



While I'm entertained by Wilkowski's presentations, I still see nothing different in his philosophies. He shares the same core philosophies as Jack Ford...he's just better at presenting and packaging them.

I guess I'm still looking for someone who can offer us something different from what we've always had...and I just don't believe it will come from a Democrat who believes that the solution to all the problems is government - regardless of how it's presented/packaged/sold.

posted by intrepid at 11:10 A.M. EST on Fri Aug 05, 2005     #



"Mr. Wilkowski also said the city should utilize its computer mapping and data tracking program - known as its Geographic Information System - to a much larger degree, so that such things as nuisance and garbage pickup complaints are plotted."

"Mary Chris Skeldon, a spokesman for Mayor Ford's administration, said the GIS system has been "vastly" expanded during the Ford administration, including an agreement with Lucas County to share its use..."


Hmmmm...

I wonder what the County's diligent employees and administrators feel about these two (mis)statements, seeing as it has always been the Lucas County GIS mapping system (until now)...

Ignorance IS bliss!

posted by Hooda_Thunkit at 11:57 A.M. EST on Fri Aug 05, 2005     #



Good catch HT, from the LCIS Department as part of their listed goals for 2005:

Various county agencies will continue to have the opportunity to integrate the Geographic Information Systems (GIS) functionally into their current systems. The Lucas County GIS has become the standard georeferenced platform for the county. Many agencies, departments and other political subdivisions have embraced our basemap as the de facto standard for the county. The City of Toledo Department of Public Utilities and the Lucas County Sanitary Engineer is converting their hard copy water and sewer maps to digital format. Furthermore, many departments are georeferencing their data and performing geographic analyses with the assistance of our LCIS GIS Project Manager and Analyst.

http://www.lucascountysheriff.org/lcis/Summary01.asp

posted by psyche777 at 12:50 P.M. EST on Fri Aug 05, 2005     #



psyche777,
I have very good spies and informants ;-)

posted by Hooda_Thunkit at 01:05 P.M. EST on Fri Aug 05, 2005     #



Obviously HT, I'm taking notes

:-)

posted by psyche777 at 06:45 P.M. EST on Fri Aug 05, 2005     #



BLATANT ARROGANCE AND CRIMINAL ACTIVITY: Our candidates don't respect us.

The Blade reports: "Mr. Finkbeiner admittd this week he should not have knocked on Ms. Smith's door, which includes the no soliciting sign and another, in smaller type reading 'No trespassing, no sales people, no handbills, do not disturb.'

Mr. Wilkowski stepped past a small 'No Soliciting' sign on Linda Drive on Saturday; no one answered the door.

And Mr. Ford ignored a 'No Trespassing' sign in the Point Place neighborhood last week, on a drive with a reporter, to pose for a photograph. He knocked on a nearby door to ask permission first, but no one answered.

He walked past the sign anyway.

'What are they going to do,' Mr. Ford asked, 'arrest me?'"



So, our candidates have no respect for our wishes when it comes to solicitation and trespassing. And Ford obviously seems to believe that the local police aren't going to enforce the laws if he's the one breaking them. And he wasn't even campaigning at the time - he was with a reporter and he trespassed for a PHOTO OP!

When they get into office and continue to not listen and follow our wishes, we won't have any reason to complain - afterall, we put them there KNOWING that they're going to ignore what we want, as evidenced by their behavior on the campaign trail!

posted by intrepid at 05:43 A.M. EST on Mon Aug 08, 2005     #



Maybe we should only vote for candidates that can 1. Read, 2. Comprehend, and 3. Carry out our expressed wishes.

Obviously this bunch can’t.

They appear to fancy themselves as Political Royalty.
I too, fancy them as Political Royalty;

As Royal Pains in the Ass…


Re: intrepid’s comments:
”So, our candidates have no respect for our wishes when it comes to solicitation and trespassing.
-and-
When they get into office and continue to not listen and follow our wishes, we won't have any reason to complain - after all, we put them there KNOWING that they're going to ignore what we want, as evidenced by their behavior on the campaign trail!”


To quote an 80’s sage and student of human nature (Jim Nabors, a.k.a. Gomer Pyle):
Surprise, surprise, surprise…


Further:
”And Ford obviously seems to believe that the local police aren't going to enforce the laws if he's the one breaking them.”

JFo KNOWS (because, he’s the main, but not the only reason) that we don’t have enough cops on the street, and that in the fact his misdeeds will go unstopped (by an increasingly rary street cop).


Maybe JFo should be reelected.

It would serve him right, making him dig us out of the impending mess...


Oh Lord, what am I thinking?

:-)

posted by Hooda_Thunkit at 09:35 A.M. EST on Mon Aug 08, 2005     #



Yeah, Hooda, you are losing it with your advocacy of JaFo. Did you forget your meds today? :-}

I agree with your Political Royalty thesis. Staying too long in elected office can lead to politicians being out of touch with the real world.

With Karyn McConnell-Hancock, this seems to have been a genetic trait, although I don't find her father to be anywhere near as elitist as she. Maybe being a child of privilege has caused her to assume an air of superiority?

I am also puzzled by the arrogance/stupidity of the pols in ignoring "No Tresspassing" or "No Soliciting" signs. In the various times in my life when I walked door-to-door, the cardinal rule was to skip those houses. Period.

Wait. I take that back. I once ignored the "No Soliciting" sign for a story, but that was only because I had to get a quote from someone with an unlisted number. (Historymike hangs head in shame)

Why anyone would not respect this simple request is beyond my ability to comprehend, especially with reporters in tow. Everything you say and do is fair game when the press is around, unless you have made previous arrangements that certain things are off the record.

posted by historymike at 10:48 A.M. EST on Mon Aug 08, 2005     #



With Karyn McConnell-Hancock, this seems to have been a genetic trait, although I don't find her father to be anywhere near as elitist as she.

Guess everyone missed the fact that JUDGE McConnell continued to have his "city council" card in his windshield far past the time he became a judge. I overheard him explaining that with the card in the windshield, he could park wherever and no police ever bothered him because he was on "city business."

Guess the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree.

posted by intrepid at 11:33 A.M. EST on Mon Aug 08, 2005     #



Ba-zing!

Didn't know about that one. Maybe Al is just better at creating the image of a down-to-earth person in the eyes of the average voter.

posted by historymike at 12:12 P.M. EST on Mon Aug 08, 2005     #



No story left unskewered by Toledo Tales, as the tresspassing issue gets a different look:
http://toledotales.blogspot.com/

posted by historymike at 01:46 P.M. EST on Mon Aug 08, 2005     #



Forgot to mention this story from last week:

"The Ford administration faces a battle over an effort to force some property owners to get building inspections on homes - and have any violations addressed before selling them. Mayor Jack Ford said the "point-of-sale" law was designed to prevent "quick-fix" landlords who make cosmetic changes to substandard properties that are then sold to unwitting buyers."

" "I'm ready to fight right now," said council member Rob Ludeman, who is solidly against it."


Right Rob. Just like that steam plant decision back in the spring.

posted by jr at 05:45 P.M. EST on Mon Aug 08, 2005     #



Rob Ludeman is just a limp wristed politician who will promise the moon if you vote for him. Once he is actually in office, you will receive a pile of turds, not the moon. All I can say about the point of sale law is this. Go ahead Toledo government; make it more of a pain in the ass to do business in the city of Toledo. However when business people decide it is too much of a pain in the ass to do business in the city limits, accept responsibility for it. Don’t blame it on sprawl or any other mythical Satan you can come up with. The blood is on your hands.
posted by mike2004 at 07:34 A.M. EST on Tue Aug 09, 2005     #



Detroit has had a similar law on the books for a long time, and the net results are as follows:

1. Honest sellers get stuck with a bunch of expensive (but not necessarily urgent) repairs right before closing in order to pass inspection; or
2. Dishonest (read: savvy) sellers pass an envelope with cash to the inspector to get a clean bill of health.

I got burned selling a Detroit house in 1988 for about 2 grand in repairs (fix a brick porch, repair a section of driveway, upgrade a bunch of electrical outlets). If I had to move to Detroit again (God forbid) I would never own property in the city limits. What a nightmare!

The next time I sold a house (1991) in Detroit, I was living in Toledo, and I just ran up with a quick document a lawyer drew up. I let the buyer deal with the city; they tried to force me to come up and go through the inspection process, but I refused to have anything else to do with it. Eventually the city waived the inspection for the buyer since I was recalcitrant(it was a $5K auction junk heap that I just wanted to be done with).

Buyers are better off with a private inspector who can tell them about important things like fire hazards or termites, rather than some bureaucrat with extravagant dreams about making everything perfect.

posted by historymike at 08:00 A.M. EST on Tue Aug 09, 2005     #



Regarding the proposed "point of sale" ordinance......It's a real detriment to the responsible property owners in this city/county. If you want to punish the 'slumlords', then punish them. There is an assortment of codes that already address all the issues JFo's proposal states, all he has to do is have the stones to enforce them. But then again, maybe he doesn't want to single out some of his cronies, so he will pass the burden on to the legitimate owners to protect them. It's such a bunch of crap that it's insulting.

I am all for safe housing, I think all of us are. But get real! If you have some 'slumlord' that's been grabbing $500 month off a crap property for the last umpteen years and he hasn't fixed it, do you really think he's gonna fix it now? He'll just quit paying taxes (if he does at all) and after 5 years or so he will have made even more money off the dump and then the city will sieze it for taxes, evict the poor fools that have been living in it and then demolish it.

Come on, Jack - come up with something more realistic!

posted by DoknowDocare at 04:47 P.M. EST on Tue Aug 09, 2005     #



It's obvious Jack Ford thinks he's above the law. He ordered all Toledo parks be posted with "no handgun" signs even though the State CCW law expressly forbids "the enactment or continuation of any ordinance that supercedes the state law". The Attorney General of Ohio has already said that Toledo is wrong. Yet Ford kept right on. Now Toledo will lose it's court case, and all the money spent to prosecute the case is pure waste. Whether the city will be sued remains to be seen.
I can't grasp how city officials can be so stupid as to think that by placing a "no guns" sign they will prevent crime. Do they believe a criminal intent on committing a crime will change his mind when seeing the sign?

posted by JeepMaker at 07:17 P.M. EST on Tue Aug 09, 2005     #



JeepMaker, the criminal will never be concerned with some sign posted by JFo's office. They already have signs in all the parks about drinking, leash laws, litter, skateboards, bikes, etc. You will see darned few people paying any attention to them, and those are 'benign' offenses.

In the criminal mind those No Handgun signs translate to:

A law-abiding citizen in this park will be unarmed. If you are a thief/thug/crack dealer/ hooker/etc. please feel free to mug/rob/threaten/intimidate/wound/maim/kill these people.

A little extreme I will admit, but I'm sure you get the gist of it.

posted by DoknowDocare at 10:02 A.M. EST on Wed Aug 10, 2005     #



Jack Ford, can have all the Shopping Centers, Malls in Toledo looked at, post all the signs in the world in parks, on and on, it all means nothing, where will it all go?

Bottom line, Jack Ford is the worse Mayor Toledo has seen, he has done nothing for this city, I think of Jack Ford each time I cross our bridges in Toledo, high on crack and butt naked;

So, I am suppose to vote for him because he's a democrat my union says? Carty gets things done, Jack well, DOESEN'T!

posted by ajeepthing at 07:01 P.M. EST on Wed Aug 10, 2005     #



DoKnow, exactly, you obviously "get it" wish more people did. It amazes me when I ask people;"whose responsibility is it to protect you"? So many say,"the police" I laugh, on any given evening in Toledo there are 44 officers on patrol available to respond to 911 calls. 44 in a city of over 300,000. Maybe they want to call 911 and hope they get there in time, me, I believe it's the individuals common sense responsibility to protect themselves, and if they have a family,(wife, kids) to protect them also. My advice, buy a good handgun, learn to handle it safely, practice shooting until you're fairly proficient, and get your CHL.

ajeepthing, I agree comepletely.

posted by JeepMaker at 08:06 P.M. EST on Wed Aug 10, 2005     #



The latest TFP mayoral candidate interview is with Don Gozdowski. Some excerpts:

"One of the first things a person notices about Don Gozdowski is his signature matching shoes and tie, which have bright orange and yellow flames. The mayoral candidate said they are symbols. “I hope to light a fire of hope for the city,” he said."

"On his qualifications to be mayor: Gozdowski said he believes his blue collar experiences, plus his years as an independent contractor, make him uniquely qualified to be the next mayor."

"On the location of a new sports arena: Gozdowski said he feels private money should be used for the construction of a new arena, and that the developer should have the right to choose the appropriate location. Gozdowski would like to see a campground constructed on the east side of the river. “This would spark growth on the east side, because campers would be there 24/7, not just during special events,” he said, adding that he would also like to see a pedestrian tunnel constructed under Main Street to connect with International Park."

"On hurdles Toledo must overcome: The candidate sees Toledo’s problems as microcosms of larger national ills. “Not only Toledo, but our whole nation needs an attitude adjustment,” he said. “The American work ethic has eroded, and our moral compass has gone haywire.” On public schools: Gozdowski said he believes Toledo schools are being shortchanged by the Ohio Lottery Commission."

"On prescription medicines: Gozdowski said he would like to offer a new city service to senior citizens. “If we cannot bring affordable medicine to our senior citizens, then we will send our senior citizens to affordable medicine,” he said, adding that he believes the city could charter or purchase motor coaches for trips to Canada."

posted by jr at 09:10 P.M. EST on Wed Aug 10, 2005     #



What most folks don't understand is that guns are not the problem. The problem is much larger than one physical item. BUT - if we (as a society) can lay all our fears off onto one inanimate item then we don't have to admit our shortcomings as a people.

I entered a carry-out the other day and saw the "No Handguns" placard on the door. OK - so it's the store owners choice not to allow them. I'm sure that the idiot high on dope and needing money to buy more is going to read that sign (if they can!) and say "Ooops! better pick another carry out - this one doesn't allow guns!" Get real, folks! A crook/druggie/thief does not care what sign you have on your door! That sign is there for those of us that try to abide by the laws in place.

In a world of "frontier justice" if you are a 'bad guy' and you're scoping out someone to rob, beat, rape, murder, intimidate, etc. you are going to choose the weakest target because you are obviously a coward. If you cannot be sure who is armed and who is not, you may be a little more selective as to how you pick your battles. A coward doesn't really want to die, they just want the other person to think they are tough. I would think twice about starting some type of 'issue' with a stranger if I could not be 100% sure that he could not pull out a Ruger and end the situation.

The point here??? RESPONSIBLE gun owners are not the problem. And crooks will ALWAYS have guns, just like druggies will always have drugs. And, finally, crooks and druggies do not get guns and dope from RESPONSIBLE folks. Only fools.

**off the soapbox now**

posted by DoknowDocare at 07:09 A.M. EST on Thu Aug 11, 2005     #



The Fab Four's reluctance to bring $17 per hour retail jobs to Toledo.
posted by jr at 08:06 A.M. EST on Thu Aug 11, 2005     #



I entered a carry-out the other day and saw the "No Handguns" placard on the door. OK - so it's the store owners choice not to allow them.

Maybe the owner should post a sign that states "no holdups". That will stop people from coming in and robbing the place right?

posted by mike2004 at 08:34 A.M. EST on Thu Aug 11, 2005     #



The latest issue of the Toledo Free Press has an article about the removal of the message board from Rob Ludeman's website. The article states:

"A controversial forum on mayoral candidate Rob Ludeman’s Web site has been taken down, but the only people who seem to care are the posters on the site and Ludeman himself. The forum, which had been on www.robludeman.com, since its creation last fall, was taken down after it began to fill up with negative comments about several mayoral candidates — including Ludeman."

"Taken down" is not an entirely accurate statement. The forum link was simply removed from Ludeman's front page. But back on Jul 28, psyche777 pointed out that the actual Rob Ludeman forum still exists.

Technically, the Ludeman forum is not on Ludeman's site or server. The forum is hosted at http://www.activeboard.com.

A few minutes ago, I posted a comment to Ludeman's forum that was in the topic "Why was this forum removed?" So Ludeman posters, you can still post and post often.


posted by jr at 08:37 A.M. EST on Thu Aug 11, 2005     #



In Ford's State of the City speech back in January, Ford said:

"We have reformed our information technology department from being fragmented to where we are now on the cusp of being on the cutting edge."

Aug 10 Blade story titled 'Ford touts city's advances in technology.'

"The Ford administration this week touted technological advances it has made over the last 18 months to cope with Toledo's old information technology system - and unveiled a new water billing system that will replace the previous one, over 20 years old."

"The press event surrounded the unveiling of a new $5.5 million water billing system for the city's Department of Public Utilities, including software purchased from Pennsylvania-based SAP America Inc., related implementation costs, and a network of 64 new computers to help support the billing system. One benefit city officials have touted is the ability of the new billing system to allow for bills every month, rather than quarterly."

"The system should be fully implemented in six months."

"Also touted were the city's $700,000 project to build a wireless network across city property; $3.3 million to map the city's sewer, water, and storm water lines on a geographical tracking system; $1 million to update the city's 15-year-old payroll system by using an out-of-state contractor for five years, and $1 million to create a "one-stop shop" to monitor building inspections and various building-related permits."

posted by jr at 09:15 A.M. EST on Thu Aug 11, 2005     #



So I know the mayor gets to take credit, but it's too bad that Patsy Scott didn't get more of a mention - it's her work since taking over the position that's moved the city forward - certainly not the 'visionary thinking' of the Mayor.

Guess I still live by the rule - when it's blame or a mistake, say "I," and when's it's credit or success, say "we."

posted by intrepid at 09:27 A.M. EST on Thu Aug 11, 2005     #



On the subject of crime in Toledo, Carty said:

"There is growing evidence of lawlessness in our streets. Make no mistake about it: These perpetrators, no matter whether they are white, black, or Hispanic, are terrorists."

From the article:

"Mr. Finkbeiner said he "gave a lot of thought" to his terrorist characterization. Mr. Finkbeiner based his claims on federal crime statistics that show increases in violent crimes in Toledo from 2003 to 2004 - compared to decreases nationally - and on a recent string of carjackings and two high-profile murders. The city's current police force numbers about 680 officers, a figure Mr. Finkbeiner says should be more than 700."

The rest of the Fab Four responded to Carty's claim:

"Mayor Jack Ford and attorney Keith Wilkowski, both Democrats, said Mr. Finkbeiner's call for more police clashed with his political record. In 1999, Mr. Finkbeiner fought a City Council attempt to hire 30 new officers; he wanted to hire 15."

Ludeman said:

"It sounds like he's trying to scare people a little bit."

Ford called Carty's comments:

"An attempt to gain political mileage rather than finding real solutions to fighting crime."

Wilkowski said:

"Typical Carty being Carty. It is his style to politicize, insult, and inflame, and that's what his language does here."

Wilkowski probably wants to implement a walking program to reduce crime.

posted by jr at 09:30 A.M. EST on Thu Aug 11, 2005     #



Exactly who does Wilkowski think will be insulted? The thugs who terrorize city residents?

I think that it an apt choice of the word, and it sounds like Carty is closer to the views of the populace on this one.

Ford, of course, is going to downplay any growth in crime. The other two are going to : a)knock Carty; and b) push their agendas.

The Blade must think this quote will hurt Carty, but I bet it will make a lot of people nod their heads and say he's right.

Crime in this city is getting worse, not better. I talk to people in the roughest neighborhoods of the city every week, and they would agree with what Carty is saying. Heck, my neighbors in my quiet West Toledo neighborhood would agree with that one, except for this free-spirited ex-hippie nearby who still believes that all humans are warm and cuddly if you just get to know them.

posted by historymike at 09:43 A.M. EST on Thu Aug 11, 2005     #



Re: Rob Ludeman’s phantom run for the Mayor’s office:
I just left the the Rob Ludeman for Mayor “Forum” and read all of the posts and follow-ups.

Rob, it appears that “the people” are trying to communicate. That is, all but you, “Rob Ludeman…”

The impression that I got from my visit was that:
Rob Ludeman doesn’t go there, or participate, if he does.

There were a few posters that were sincerely trying to offer Rob Ludeman suggestions and encouragement, one cheerleader (Dutch17) and many other citizens that are truly frustrated by Rob Ludeman’s non-responsiveness.


I’ll try to recap the key issues:
Rob Ludeman doesn’t answer/return his snail mail

Rob Ludeman doesn’t answer/return his phone messages

Rob Ludeman doesn’t respond to or answer questions posted to the Rob Ludeman for Mayor “Forum”.

Rob Ludeman hasn’t been seen campaigning anywhere, especially at the politically mandatory neighborhood and/or ethnic festivals…


Which leads me to draw the following conclusions:
Dutch17 (appearing on the Rob Ludeman for Mayor “Forum”) is not really Rob Ludeman’s campaign manager, because there is no real proof that Rob Ludeman is even running, except for Rob Ludeman’s announcement that he is running. Therefore, there IS no need for a campaign manager (for a non-existent campaign)...

That Rob Ludeman is apparently still alive (no obit yet anyway…).

That Rob Ludeman would likely accept the Mayorship IF the (less than enthused at Rob Ludeman’s performance, to date) public saw fit to forcefully thrust the job on him, wrapped in a big, bright red (as in Republican), ornate bow.


Well now, I for one (once a staunch Rob Ludeman supporter) may be having second thoughts and questions for Rob Ludeman before casting my vote for him. Such as:

Rob Ludeman, what have you done or will you be doing that would convince me that you even want to be the Mayor of Toledo?

Rob Ludeman, are you in fact the Republican Party’s sacrificial lamb in this race?

-And, finally,-

Rob Ludeman, can you give me ANY reason to vote for you?

Something??

Anything???

I thought not.

Very Heavy Sigh... :-(

posted by Hooda_Thunkit at 12:12 P.M. EST on Thu Aug 11, 2005     #



In fairness, he was at a blockwatch meeting in my neighborhood several weeks ago, but you're right, I just don't think his heart is in it, and he was probably the sacrificial lamb, just like the ones who run against Kaptur (who ,although she does less & less each term , and is now never seen other than election years, has the job for life). The days of strong repub candidates like Donna Owens (who I still think is hot in her 60's, by the way)seem to be over. Haven't seen a single commercial yet (for Rob), which tells me the party is giving virtually no money.
posted by Foolkiller at 04:23 P.M. EST on Thu Aug 11, 2005     #



When Bernadette Noe the was Republican Party's "Chair," or maybe it was Tom, she/he vowed, "no more uncontested races."

Well, Tom Gulch was the first to take a hit, and now I guess that it's Rob's turn. And, by "take a hit," I mean put yourself out there but get little or no support ($$$) from your party... It must get real lonely (without your own party’s help/support) out there sometimes.


Also, sometimes, you really have to wonder why they put themselves through it.

To satisfy the Party Chair’s EGO, comes to mind...


What the R’s should be doing is training and educating their future candidates in the art of running and getting elected and SUPPORTING them. Not everyone is a natural campaigner and not everyone knows how to act in front of people (as in VOTERS). They may be good at doing the job, but first they have to GET the job.

Or, I could be all wrong on this one (but, I doubt it).

And now, back to my “Curmudgeon’s Corner” before "they" realize that I've been playing on the computer again ;-)

posted by Hooda_Thunkit at 06:42 P.M. EST on Thu Aug 11, 2005     #



No Westgate, but Keith Wilkowski is profiled in the irrverent Toledo Tales:

http://toledotales.blogspot.com/2005/08/wilkowski-runs-all-over-city.html

posted by historymike at 08:15 P.M. EST on Thu Aug 11, 2005     #



Actually, there were several people interested in being the mayoral candidate and Rob won the support of the party. The next likely candidate, George Sarantou, is up this year and could either run for re-election to council or run for mayor. The thinking was that George was sure to win re-election and the party didn't want to lose his at-large seat.

Rob is running from cover in a District seat. That means that if he gets elected mayor, there will be a special election to fill the seat. Should George have run for mayor and then won, the GOP would have certainly lost his seat on council to a dem.

I don't believe that Rob was ever intended to be a sacrificial lamb - but he's certainly acting like one.

Then, again, that's what they said about Zmuda when he first ran for prosecutor (turned out to be one of the highest vote getters for council the next year) and Thurber when she ran against Holzemer (and the Blade named her the giant killer).

But I'm not saying Ludeman will be able to do the same thing - he's not even wearing his nametag at festivals (per the blade).

As someone who's watched GOP politics, there are plenty of people who have the ability to help train the candidates, the problem is that too many believe they know better. And the candidates don't want to hear the tough - but highly constructive - criticism. Look at Gabriel in her run to keep the Toledo muni court clerk job. She spent all her time in the central city and virtually ignored the "fertile crescent" and then was surprised when the Republicans in those areas didn't support her. Guess she learned that, unlike Democrats, Republicans don't get votes just because of the letter after her name.

The other thing is that it's hard to define what the Republican Party in Lucas County stands for. The Republicans on Toledo City Council rarely vote in opposition to the dems, even on controversial things.

And Tom Gulch got a lot of support - much more than most candidates have gotten in the past. His problem was in listening to friends who had never run a campaign while ignoring the advice of those who had run and won.

As for financial support this year - the GOP will have a hard time of it with the Noe fiasco looming over everyone and everything.

posted by intrepid at 08:20 P.M. EST on Thu Aug 11, 2005     #



Sounds like it could almost be true! hahahahaha
posted by DoknowDocare at 08:22 P.M. EST on Thu Aug 11, 2005     #



intrepid,

”The thinking was that George was sure to win re-election and the party didn't want to lose his at-large seat.”

That’s one of the things that I feel is keeping the R’s in the minority, playing it safe…

”Rob is running from cover in a District seat. That means that if he gets elected mayor, there will be a special election to fill the seat.”

Playing it safe…

”Should George have run for mayor and then won, the GOP would have certainly lost his seat on council to a dem.”

Again, playing it safe…

”I don't believe that Rob was ever intended to be a sacrificial lamb - but he's certainly acting like one.”

Bingo!

”Then, again, that's what they said about Zmuda when he first ran for prosecutor (turned out to be one of the highest vote getters for council the next year)”

Of course, Zmuda was traditionally a top vote getter;-)

”But I'm not saying Ludeman will be able to do the same thing - he's not even wearing his nametag at festivals (per the blade).”

That’s what I was getting at. You have to put on the trunks and the gloves and step into the ring, even if you won’t be throwing any punches, or people will think that you’re NOT willing to run (fight).

”As someone who's watched GOP politics, there are plenty of people who have the ability to help train the candidates, the problem is that too many believe they know better. And the candidates don't want to hear the tough - but highly constructive - criticism. Look at Gabriel in her run to keep the Toledo muni court clerk job. She spent all her time in the central city and virtually ignored the "fertile crescent" and then was surprised when the Republicans in those areas didn't support her. Guess she learned that, unlike Democrats, Republicans don't get votes just because of the letter after her name.”

There is a whole lot of truth in what you said here ;-)

”The other thing is that it's hard to define what the Republican Party in Lucas County stands for. The Republicans on Toledo City Council rarely vote in opposition to the dems, even on controversial things.”

”And Tom Gulch got a lot of support - much more than most candidates have gotten in the past. His problem was in listening to friends who had never run a campaign while ignoring the advice of those who had run and won.”

”As for financial support this year - the GOP will have a hard time of it with the Noe fiasco looming over everyone and everything.”

intrepid, you HAVE been paying attention!

About all that I can add is, the dems may have their squabbles and splits, but they end up managing to promote and get a lot of candidates elected.

The R’s on the other hand, are more like herding cats. Most of the time, they are their own worst enemies.

jr et al,
Apologies for the excessive quoting, but intrepid really hit the nail on the head on this one. I’m going to have to pay more attention to this one ;-)

posted by Hooda_Thunkit at 08:28 A.M. EST on Fri Aug 12, 2005     #



Thanks, Hooda-Thunkit!
posted by intrepid at 10:17 A.M. EST on Fri Aug 12, 2005     #



Political foot soldiers placed a couple small flyers in our door. Here are the contents of those flyers that support Ford and the Democrats endorsed by LucasCountyDemocrats.org. The Ford flyer touting Jack's achievements is similar to what's listed on his website.

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Quiet, Effective Leadership for Toledo
Re-elect Mayor Ford Democrat
Please remember to vote on primary day September 13, 2005

Toledo Backs Jack!
Re-elect Democrat Mayor Ford

* CREATED thousands of new, good paying jobs in a tough economy.

* RECOGNIZED by the Small Business Adminstration for supporting Toledo's small business community with financial and technical assistance.

* ESTABLISHED CareNet, a health care system that services over 6,000 people, a majority of whom are woman.

* BALANCED Toledo's budget without raising taxes, cutting essential services or laying off police or fire fighters.

* LAUNCHED the largest street paving and resurfacing program in Toledo's history.

* DECREASED crime over the last 3 1/2 years, making Toledo's great neighborhoods safer.

Paid for by Citizens with Ford.

----

Your Democratic Team For A Strong Toledo
Vote To Re-Elect Our Mayor
Mayor Jack Ford

For Toledo City Council - Vote For All 5

Phil Copeland
Karyn McConnell Hancock
Karen Shanahan
Frank Szollosi
Bob Vasquez

For Toledo School Board - Vote For 2 in November

Steve Steel
Steven Thomas

For Judge - Toledo Municipal Court - Vote For 2 in November

Paula Hicks-Hudson
Samuel J. Nugent

Endorsed by LucasCountyDemocrats.org
paid for by lucascountydemocrats.org

For rides to the polls - Where to vote - Any questions - Call 419-242-4687

----

If you have a flyer for one of the other mayoral candidates, post the contents. Websites can be changed but not the little ads.

posted by jr at 10:29 A.M. EST on Fri Aug 12, 2005     #



I've come to the reluctant conclustion that other than the fact that one speaks English and the other Russian, there is no difference between a Toledo politician and a 1960's era Soviet bureacrat.

Neither comprehends the concept of private property rights, and both hold as their highest value that they have a responsibility to plan everything for the public, which is too stupid to do anything for themselves.

Finkbeiner opposes a CostCo at Westgate. Now why should anyone give a damn what Finkbeiner thinks? And why should he have any say in a lawful business arrangement between two private parties? Finkbeiner has his own whackass proposal for Westgate, but if that idea were viable, why isn't that sort of business making their own arrangement for setting up shop at Westgate? These guys don't understand that businesses know what's good for their advancement more than the politicians do.

So instead of letting the private sector make their own deals, they thwart them when they can. They won't allow CostCo to come to Westgate, and to compensate they'll hand out subsidies and tax breaks to get that environmentalist-union-vegan sex co-op made out of glass that they knew was destined for that site.

posted by paddington at 12:49 P.M. EST on Fri Aug 12, 2005     #



jr, I have some questions/comments about the flyer info....

Toledo Backs Jack!
Re-elect Democrat Mayor Ford

* CREATED thousands of new, good paying jobs in a tough economy.
>>>>Was that before of after the LOSS of thousands of jobs in Toledo?

* RECOGNIZED by the Small Business Adminstration for supporting Toledo's small business community with financial and technical assistance.
>>>>>Might be true, but anyone can garner that type of recognition by showing up at a few meetings and making a few suggestions. Also, it helps to let local businessmen (Stewart) buy buildings in downtown and never do anything to them. Then the city gets to step in and rehab a building that was slated for demolition. Wow! Sweet deal. Wonder if Jack will sell me one of the old warehouses???

* ESTABLISHED CareNet, a health care system that services over 6,000 people, a majority of whom are woman.
>>>>CareNet, in theory, is a great program. BUT I don't believe he did it singlehandedly.

* BALANCED Toledo's budget without raising taxes, cutting essential services or laying off police or fire fighters.
>>>>>This is where I have to say coughbullsugarcough. The state mandates that the city balance its' budget every year. It was not an option for him. And he didn't do it - Council did and he signed it. BTW - we are still more then 50 officers short on the police department and the fire department could stand to hire enough folks to man one additional shift citywide.

* LAUNCHED the largest street paving and resurfacing program in Toledo's history.
>>>>Yep - sure did. In the past few months. What about the past 3 years???? I've had almost $1,000 worth of repairs made on my car thanks to Toledo's streets. Thank you, JFo, for another dose of too little too late.

* DECREASED crime over the last 3 1/2 years, making Toledo's great neighborhoods safer.
>>>>Another coughing fit coming on....Crime has NOT decreased in Toledo. The amount of crimes reported to the Dept. of Justice leaves alot to be desired. Numbers seem to disappear somewhere in the Ivory Tower.

Paid for by Citizens with Ford.
>>>>And YOUR tax dollar - i.e. Toledo Works Billboards and website.

posted by DoknowDocare at 03:21 P.M. EST on Fri Aug 12, 2005     #



The flyer says:
* LAUNCHED the largest street paving and resurfacing program in Toledo's history.

It's only the largest because it borrowed money from FUTURE projects to do them all this year! You'd only know it was an election year by the number of people paving streets!

As for another on the flyer ... Paula Hicks-Hudson for Judge?!?!? This is the same Paula Hicks-Hudson of Board of Election fame - the one singled out as much as Paula Ross for the mismanagement of the BOE and the massive problems they encountered...the same one who was criticized by the Sec of State as not having a clue on how to run an election...Now we're supposed to trust her to be a Judge?!?!

(don't believe me, though, the Lucas County report is still on the sos website...)

posted by intrepid at 04:38 P.M. EST on Fri Aug 12, 2005     #



I disagree somewhat, paddington.

Municipalities should have the right to have some controls over commercial, industrial, and residential development. Unfettered free markets without government oversight are frightful things; think turn-of-the-20th-century American cities.

However, I do agree that pie-in-the-sky "Walking Westgate" schemes are not the solution.

Should Costco be required to meet zoning regulations, and build a facility that is aesthetically pleasing? Yes.

Should Costco and the owners of Westgate be allowed to strike their own deal? Definitely.

It's a changing world, and Old Orchard/Ottawa Hills residents need to accept the fact that their 50-year old shopping center has to change with the times.

posted by historymike at 04:44 P.M. EST on Fri Aug 12, 2005     #



historymike said: "It's a changing world, and Old Orchard/Ottawa Hills residents need to accept the fact that their 50-year old shopping center has to change with the times. "

I think they already have, historymike...everyday I walk/drive through the neighborhood, I see more UT students and many "For Rent"/"For Lease"/"For Sale" signs...

*sigh*

Lady Phoenix

posted by MrsPhoenix at 08:44 P.M. EST on Fri Aug 12, 2005     #



Inrepid - let us not forget Princess Karyn McConnell-Hancock.

HistoryMike - I agree. Progress is what makes a city grow and thrive. To demand to hold a city the size of Toledo to 1950s and 1960s ideals is not practical. The times have changed - business has changed - and we need to adjust. I don't see Westgate as being a 'walking destination' at all.

As long as Costco doesn't go battleship gray with 12 ft tall neon letters and polka music on loudspeakers, I think you will find the area residents shopping there once they get over being mad. After all, what's the difference between Costco and Sam's Club? Oh yeah - Sam's is in Spring Meadows and not near Westgate...that makes it ok.

posted by DoknowDocare at 10:20 P.M. EST on Fri Aug 12, 2005     #



Agreed intrepid (and DoknowDocare). It's like musical chairs. If you are a total disaster in one spot you get put in another.

Toledoans have to face the fact that the world marches on whether or not they do. Nostalgia is best kept for family reunions. Otherwise it keeps us focused on the past rather than the future.

I like Westgate and I liked it better when it was full. But some things outlive their usefulness and despite our best efforts they are unable to remain.

It's interesting to me that the mayoral candidates fail to look at Costco as a positive: Great pay, benefits, long term stability as a company, good number of employees.

Maybe Costco should put "Jeep" in its name somewhere. You wouldn't be able to keep the politicians (and their tax incentives and abatements) from getting into fistfights over whose great idea it was to bring Costco here.

posted by thinkingwoman at 08:29 A.M. EST on Sat Aug 13, 2005     #



Ba-zing! Nice analogy, thinkingwoman. Many of our politicians were all too willing to give away nearly $400 million for Jeep and the "supplier" plants, only to watch the employment fall from 5,700 (1998) to an estimated 4,000 today.
posted by historymike at 08:51 A.M. EST on Sat Aug 13, 2005     #



Toledo needs to return to the City Manager form of government because it's more difficult to fire a "Strong Mayor" than it is "staff."
A sociopathic "Strong Mayor" can (Carty) wreak havoc, as we all have witnessed in a past administration. One cannot reason how Jack do nothing Ford got elected. Ford had a very lackluster stay in Columbus as our State's Representitive and slept through that office as he has throughout his present administration. Nobody can blame the voters of Toledo because the political parties WILL NOT give us a candidate worthy of election.

posted by toledoan at 04:45 P.M. EST on Sat Aug 13, 2005     #



The parties tend to support safe candidates who don't stray from the party line.

I think that the only way we will get real change and reform is with either a third-party candidate or a true independent.

Unfortunately, the election rules are rigged right now to favor the status quo, which is the two major parties. We have to make reform at the state level to break the Republicrat duopoly on power.

posted by historymike at 05:36 P.M. EST on Sat Aug 13, 2005     #



JFo and Wilkowski had a lot in common until Ski threw his hat into the ring. It was only last year that JFo paid him $30,000 to represent the city in federal court against the Taverns for Tots organization.

Did JFo put that city contract out for bid? NO. He simply hired Ski because they're of the same political ilk.

I don't even know Ski, but I can't understand how he can distance himself from JFo in 2005 when their tents were clearly pitched in the same camp in 2004.

posted by jimavolt at 08:22 P.M. EST on Sat Aug 13, 2005     #



MEET THE CANDIDATES FOR TOLEDO MAYOR

A Toledo Mayoral Candidates’ Forum is scheduled for Sunday, August 28, 2005 from 3:00 to 5:00 p.m. at Beaner's Gourmet Coffee, located in the Cricket West Plaza, 3160 Markway.

This “meet and greet” forum is unique compared to the other mayoral candidates meetings. Each of the Toledo mayoral candidates will provide a three-to-five minute introductory message to the public audience in attendance. The introductory comments are being limited to a brief autobiographical sketch, qualifications for this office, vision for the City of Toledo, and why each feels he or she should be elected. The candidates have been asked to structure their presentations in a positive manner rather than making any negative references to the other mayoral candidates.

An informal reception will be held after all mayoral candidates have completed his or her remarks. This format allows each Toledo mayoral candidate the opportunity meet face to face with voters in an informal, relaxed setting. The format also provides the voters with an opportunity to speak with the candidates one-on-one.

The mayoral candidate forum is free and open to the public. It is being sponsored by The West Toledo Herald, Beaner's Gourmet Coffee in Cricket West, and Organization Development Services – Roland Hansen, President.

posted by RolandHansen at 08:16 A.M. EST on Sun Aug 14, 2005     #



Toledoan says the parties don't give us candidates worthy of election...

question: what characteristics, skills, experience, background do you want? If you had a magic wand and could have any individual be the next mayor, who would it be?

posted by intrepid at 08:50 A.M. EST on Sun Aug 14, 2005     #



Straying back to the Costco issue...

For those opposed to it, please consider this...the neighborhood immediately surrounding the Westgate area has more For Sale signs in it than some central city areas. This alludes to the theory that folks are a) moving, b) retiring, c) can't/don't want to maintain homes that size, d) are tired of fighting the traffic at the Secor/Central intersection.

As for Walking Westgate...if the truth were told, how many of the PROponents for a Walking Westgate actually walk anywhere? They get in their cars and drive to the mall.

I understand that part of nostalgia that wants the quiet, neighborly air of the '50s, but we have to recognize and come to grips with progress. Progress involves change, expansion, and a reason for other businesses to WANT to be in the area.

If I were a business owner and had to choose between a space in Westgate, as it is, and a space on Monroe Street anywhere near the mall, it would be a hands down decision for Monroe St.

It's economics, people. Plain and simple. With the wage/salary situation in Toledo, it's simply not practical for a person to frequent small markets/carryouts/specialty shops only to spend 3x the amount for an item. If you are a business owner, and your target market is unique then Costco won't hinder your business. It will only increase the traffic to AID your business.

posted by DoknowDocare at 10:17 A.M. EST on Sun Aug 14, 2005     #



We need a mayor that will represent US !

One has only to read George Orwell's book, 1984. "Big Brother Is Watching You !"
We are losing more and more of our freedoms and liberties every year. We are searched,watched,scanned,analyzed,cataloged,indexed,categorized,with every move we make and every word we speak. America has become a police state by virtue of our own government; the very government Of,By,and For The People now subjugates "We The People" to it's whims.
Our forefathers are turning over in their graves.

Our home town politicians are now taking private property from us, and police tell us we are not free to be or go anywhere within our own city. Past and present mayors and their administrations have turned Toledo into their own kingdoms by misusing "emanate domain" and claiming that "HOME RULE" succeeds and supersedes state laws. They have the audacity to say that they represent US ?

Toledo is it's people; let us try much harder to elect a mayor that WILL represent "We The People."

posted by toledoan at 04:04 P.M. EST on Sun Aug 14, 2005     #



One cannot reason how Jack do nothing Ford got elected. Ford had a very lackluster stay in Columbus as our State's Representitive and slept through that office as he has throughout his present administration.
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I've already explained that in some previous posts. He has the black vote locked up (again, Finkbeiner is the ONLY white candidate who can eat into that), plus unions & the straight-ticket die-hard endorsed Democrat-only voters.

posted by Foolkiller at 11:38 P.M. EST on Sun Aug 14, 2005     #



Ooh! Oooooh! My turn!

You've gotta give Toledo's Republicans credit for honesty. I mean, what's Ludeman going to really say in his so-called campaign?:

"We Republicans SUPPORT the breaking of unions."

Well, although TRUE, that's not going to fly in Toledo. So how about:

"We Republicans SUPPORT the globalization that's taking Toledo industry away."

Er, that's not a good idea either. Sooooo, how about:

"We Republicans SUPPORT the immense rise in energy prices that pads the accounts of our donors."

Hrm. So much for THAT. So I give the Republicans credit for not bothering with really running for office in Toledo.

And in the larger sense, why bother? A Republican "wins" when another chunk of Toledo cash flees to China and various overseas bank accounts. The Republicans' inbred stock portfolios are what they really want to win, anyway, and -- gosh! -- those are winning already.

Ohio's Republicans did QUITE well hanging around Columbus, buying access. Toledo's a dead zone for a Republican (except for golfing, wink wink).

P.S. I have found that with about 98% of the next mayoral vote being split between Carty (a certifiably insane spendaholic) and Ford (a racist spendaholic), Toledo is doomed. You can count on SEVERE cost controls being emplaced by late 2006 ... because if not by then, then such controls will be invoked through the placement of Toledo into receivership by the State of Ohio (something the Republicans in Columbus would be jumping for joy over, obviously).

posted by GuestZero at 11:38 P.M. EST on Sun Aug 14, 2005     #



JFo and Wilkowski had a lot in common until Ski threw his hat into the ring. It was only last year that JFo paid him $30,000 to represent the city in federal court against the Taverns for Tots organization.
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Ah...Thank you for reminding me of that, Jim. I'd forgotten. No way in hell I'd ever vote Wilkowski now , although I've never voted for Ford in my life-I ALWAYS knew he was totally worthless. It's always infuriated me to see him keep getting re-elected!! As soon as that damned Paula Ross (SOooo glad to see her gone, too, although she's now on the TCP staff) got him to run for mayor, I knew it was all over (for reasons stated above).

posted by Foolkiller at 11:46 P.M. EST on Sun Aug 14, 2005     #



Foolkiller - Ross isn't gone...she's still running the A-Team, biding her time until the next re-org of the party in 2006. Sorry!
posted by intrepid at 07:09 A.M. EST on Mon Aug 15, 2005     #



Phooey!! I thought she stepped down. Our politicos never go away anyway-should have known. The "A" teamers, along with Block, are the ones who have primarily destroyed this town, as far as I'm concerned.
posted by Foolkiller at 07:34 A.M. EST on Mon Aug 15, 2005     #



GeustZero,
Welcome back!

re: "Toledo is doomed."

On this one statement we agree :-)

As for the rest of your post, I'd need a very large glass of Kool-Aid to wash it down with ;-)

Did I mention "Welcome Back?"

posted by Hooda_Thunkit at 08:39 A.M. EST on Mon Aug 15, 2005     #



A sort of featured article in the Aug 14 Blade about the Fab Four.

"The Blade invited the four major candidates in the Sept. 13 primary to give a reporter and photographer tours of Toledo - its assets, its challenges, and its opportunities. The men, having accepted, zigzag through the city by car, foot, and bus, stopping at landmarks, side streets, and one dusty corner bar."

"Their tours follow distinct themes. There are surprises: only one candidate shows off Tony Packo's, and not-so-surprises: everyone brags on libraries, parks, new school construction, and Fifth Third Field. The shortest lasts 2 1/2 hours; the longest goes all day."

posted by jr at 10:08 A.M. EST on Mon Aug 15, 2005     #



And JFo attempted levity when he asked a young man standing on the corner holding a Carty sign "Is that legal?" I believe the young man replied with something like, "Hey mayor - you got $20?" Great comeback! Also, JFo was the only one that used a chauffer to haul him around. Mayoral privilege, I suppose.

And if Wilkowski really rode the bus all the time then he would have known the hours of the library. Duh!

posted by DoknowDocare at 02:54 P.M. EST on Mon Aug 15, 2005     #



intrepid wrote:
Foolkiller - Ross isn't gone...she's still running the A-Team, biding her time until the next re-org of the party in 2006. Sorry!
Foolkiller responded with:
"Phooey!! I thought she stepped down. Our politicos never go away anyway-should have known. The "A" teamers, along with Block, are the ones who have primarily destroyed this town, as far as I'm concerned."
To which, I say or ask:
Who is part of - or - what is - the A Team anymore?
When Keith Wilkowski was Chairman of the Lucas County Democratic Party and part of the A-Team, he brought in Paula Ross as executive director. She had previously been the campaign manager for independent Mike Ferner who had ran against Carty Finkbeiner for mayor in 1993. Paula later became the Chair of the Party when Keith stepped down. It was under Paula Ross that the Democratic Party recruited and endorsed Jack Ford in 2001 to run against B-Team member and Lucas County Treasurer Ray Kest for mayor. Sandy Isenberg, who was a County Commissioner and B-Team member at the time, was Chair of the Ray Kest Campaign.
In 2003, the B-Team gained control of the Lucas County Democratic Party. With the help of Carty Finkbeiner, Sandy Isenberg replaced Paula Ross as Chair. Sandy resigned after she made allies of A-Team members and abandoned some of the B-Team members that had put her in the Chairmanship of the Democratic Party and after she found out that she could not get her own way all the time.
Subsequently, the A-Team formed the P.A.C. known as Lucas County Democrats.org as a separate entity apart from the Lucas County Democratic Party, which is now controlled by the B-Team and was formerly known as the Courthouse Gang.
Keith Wilkowski left his position as Treasurer of Lucas County Democrats.org and Paula Ross is working on his campaign. Jack Ford is endorsed by Lucas County Democrats.org; the Lucas County Democratic Party has not made an endorsement.
Sandy Isenberg, formerly a B-Team member, announced her support of Jack Ford this past March. The various unions that have been traditionally aligned with the Lucas County Democratic Party are now split in their support between Jack Ford and Carty Finkbeiner. I'm not sure whether Keith Wilkowski has obtained any union support yet.
It seems to me that the Democrats are now split into three groups rather than just two.
Oh my gosh, I'm getting a headache just trying to sort and categorize it all!!!

posted by RolandHansen at 09:42 P.M. EST on Mon Aug 15, 2005     #



Some info about the A and B teams in another posting.
posted by jr at 10:20 P.M. EST on Mon Aug 15, 2005     #



Yes, it's almost as if there are A, B and C teams now...but make no mistake: The only reason that Wilkowski 'formed' the C-Team is because many of the A-teamers don't believe Jack can win.

Their only priority is keeping control - they really don't care about the people, just the power. So all of the machinations should come as no surprise.

However, despite all their disagreements, they'd rather have a Democrat than a Republican - even if it's a Dem who's a member of different team...Rob Ludeman beware.

posted by intrepid at 06:36 A.M. EST on Tue Aug 16, 2005     #



Power? Yes, you are correct. All of poltics is about power, whether it be partican poltics, issue politics, office politics, church politics, club politics, union politcs, etc. And then there are individuals who are into power trips. That is the individual who wants to gain and maintain power just for himself or herself regardless of anything or anybody else.
posted by RolandHansen at 07:37 A.M. EST on Tue Aug 16, 2005     #



Toledo Tales covers Jack Ford's purported inactivity today with a different twist:

http://toledotales.blogspot.com/2005/08/ford-re-emerges-after-long-hibernation.html

posted by historymike at 09:24 A.M. EST on Tue Aug 16, 2005     #



Aug 16 Blade article strangely titled:

'Ford looking to redefine image in TV ads'

Redefine? Ford has more money than the other candidates. Maybe more than all the other candidates combined. That's why I think Ford will crack the top 2 in September.

"Mayor Jack Ford will broadcast television advertisements from now until the Sept. 13 primary election, hoping to convince voters he has done more than they think to captain Toledo through choppy economic times. It is a strategy none of Mr. Ford's opponents can yet afford, and one the mayor can likely not afford to see fail."

posted by jr at 12:13 P.M. EST on Wed Aug 17, 2005     #



'Ford offers plan to turn dump site into Jeep lot'

"Mr. Ford and representatives of DaimlerChrysler, the United Auto Workers union, the Toledo Board of Education, and Gov. Bob Taft's office stood in the grassy field yesterday to herald the $9.75 million project. Mr. Ford said between 600 and 1,000 jobs are being created by new DaimlerChrysler suppliers, with salaries in the range of $17 to $18 an hour."

(And Costco pays $16 to $17 an hour.)

"Mr. Ford acknowledged that the event might show up in a campaign commercial as he tries to overcome what his political handlers say is a failure to claim credit when he's entitled to it."

WSPD story

"A new staging area for Toledo-built Jeeps is being planned at the former Stickney Avenue landfill, right across the street from the expanding North Toledo Jeep assembly complex. Daimler Chrysler's Fred Hoffman says that'll help to make Toledo Jeep operations more competitive. Legislation's being presented to Toledo City Council, to have a tax increment financing plan pay for the $9.7 million project."

posted by jr at 12:19 P.M. EST on Wed Aug 17, 2005     #



'Ford throws support to Costco at Westgate'

"Mayor Jack Ford has endorsed a plan to bring Costco Wholesale Corp. to the Westgate Village Shopping Center, predicting it will "pleasantly surprise" critics of the warehouse retailer's proposed move to West Toledo. The move distances the mayor from his three main rivals in the Sept. 13 primary election, who all oppose placing Costco in the wilting shopping center."

posted by jr at 12:23 P.M. EST on Wed Aug 17, 2005     #



Rob "Two Faced" Ludeman is at it again. Yesterday, I heard him on the radio criticize Mayor Ford for the 2003 smoking ban. Rob said it hurt small businesses. No shit. Why didn't Rob realize that before he voted for it?

Oct 17, 2004 Blade story titled 'Most politicians wouldn't alter city smoking ban.'

"Republican City Councilman Rob Ludeman, who is exploring a possible candidacy for mayor, voted for the city's smoking ban, but said he would have preferred it if it had not been quite so strict."

This guy cannot be trusted. He says one thing but votes another way when it counts. Just like with the steam plant issue back in the spring.

From that 2004 article about Toledo's former strict smoking ban:

"Jack Ford's name isn't on the ballot Nov. 2, but he's out campaigning to defeat Issue 4, a measure that is on the ballot and, if approved, will weaken Toledo's smoking ban."

"Mr. Finkbeiner said he would much prefer a stringent statewide ban on smoking in public places to local bans that cover Ohio on a piecemeal basis."


Frank Szollosi said on his blog the other day.

"Carty's picture at Port Royal Cigar Store says it all. Carty is aligned with Bill Delany, Chuck Cassis and John Irish - the pro-tobacco fellows who set back public health in Toledo last year."

Carty did support Issue 4 last November, which ammended Toledo's strict smoking ban to basically allow smoking again in bars. In the fall of 2003, it was reported that Carty disagreed with Toledo's strict smoking ban and preferred the ban not be restricted to just Toledo but be extended county-wide. Carty is literally all over the map over the smoking ban issue.

posted by jr at 02:03 P.M. EST on Wed Aug 17, 2005     #



Latest Toledo Free Press mayoral candidate interview is with Rob Ludeman.

Read it at your own risk. To me, Rob's motto is "Do as I say, not as I do."

posted by jr at 09:17 P.M. EST on Wed Aug 17, 2005     #



Rob "Two Faced" Ludeman is at it again. Yesterday, I heard him on the radio criticize Mayor Ford for the 2003 smoking ban. Rob said it hurt small businesses. No shit. Why didn't Rob realize that before he voted for it?
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He, and every swinging d**k on council voted for it BECAUSE- On the day of the vote-Block said in his rag (we all know the editorials are merely an extension of the Puppet Master's persona)-"Any members of City Council who "vote against the public health" (yah-right) will be remembered by this newspaper at re-election time." I told you many times before, will say it again-the person who REALLY owns/runs this town is the one you'll never get to vote on.

posted by Foolkiller at 10:34 P.M. EST on Wed Aug 17, 2005     #



Foolkiller,
I see that you also hold JRB, a.k.a. the Puppet Master to the Politicians" in the same "high esteem" as I do ;-)

Carry on :-)

posted by Hooda_Thunkit at 09:01 P.M. EST on Thu Aug 18, 2005     #



Did anyone else love it when Opal freaked out on Carty at the debate tonight? I was listening and all I could do was laugh. I guess she showed him! [/end sarcasm]
posted by kristen at 09:28 P.M. EST on Thu Aug 18, 2005     #



What I thought to be more interesting was that Carty did not respond to her. Perhaps he has learned a few things over the years.....
posted by DoknowDocare at 09:36 P.M. EST on Thu Aug 18, 2005     #



It will probably be too much to ask for someone in the media to provide a transcript of Thursday night's debate for those of us who forgot all about it. I had planned to record it, so I could reproduce key parts. I got wrapped up in programming project, and the debate slipped my mind.
posted by jr at 10:46 P.M. EST on Thu Aug 18, 2005     #



I don't think I missed much with last night's debate. Nowhere on the front page of Toledo's only daily newspaper was their even a tiny mention of the Toledo mayoral debate. Maybe it ended too late for printing purposes or something. The Blade article about the debate was buried in the paper.

This was the second of five debates. The rest of the debate schedule is:

3. - At 7 p.m. on Aug. 25 - WGTE-TV, Channel 30 - Tom Walton, vice president-editor of The Blade will moderate. I bet coverage of this debate makes the front page. Carty will not be at this debate. "He will be on his once-yearly vacation with his family in northern Michigan."

4. - 8 p.m. Aug. 30 - WTOL-TV, Channel 11.

5. - Sept. 6 - sponsored by The Blade and WTVG-TV, Channel 13.

posted by jr at 09:45 A.M. EST on Fri Aug 19, 2005     #



WTOL Channel 11 poll released Aug 19:

"News 11 teamed up with Stanford Odesky and Associates who asked 300 likely primary voters several questions surrounding the race. It's the same criteria we used last May in a similar mayoral poll. Here are the results:"

If the election was held today, who would get your vote?
Carty Finkbeiner: 39%
Jack Ford: 17%
Keith Wilkowski: 9%
Rob Ludeman: 8%
Undecided: 27%

Margin of error: +-5.7%
Source: Stanford Odesky and Associates


Back in May, the Undecided count was 30.3%.

"Stan Odesky, who did this market research, tells News 11 one of the interesting things to watch between now and the primary will be how the undecideds firm up their decisions especially with three democrats in the race -- Finkbeiner, Ford, and Wilkowski. Odesky tells News 11 the debates are very important for the candidates and the voters for several reasons. "One will be the large undecided vote and can we have it off the dime. The other will be for a candidate to hold on their base support," said Odesky."

posted by jr at 09:53 A.M. EST on Fri Aug 19, 2005     #



My experience with Stan's primary polls are that they're a bit skewed to Dem-registered voters. Was there any information on the number of Dem/Rep/Ind polled?

Also, pretty high margin of error.

posted by intrepid at 12:26 P.M. EST on Fri Aug 19, 2005     #



Reminder about another opportunity to meet the candidates for Toledo mayor.

A Toledo Mayoral Candidates’ Forum is scheduled for Sunday, August 28, 2005 from 3:00 to 5:00 p.m. at Beaner's Gourmet Coffee, located in the Cricket West Plaza, 3160 Markway.

This “meet and greet” forum is unique compared to the other mayoral candidates meetings. Each of the Toledo mayoral candidates will provide a three-to-five minute introductory message to the public audience in attendance. The introductory comments are being limited to a brief autobiographical sketch, qualifications for this office, vision for the City of Toledo, and why each feels he or she should be elected. The candidates have been asked to structure their presentations in a positive manner rather than making any negative references to the other mayoral candidates.

An informal reception will be held after all mayoral candidates have completed his or her remarks. This format allows each Toledo mayoral candidate the opportunity meet face to face with voters in an informal, relaxed setting. The format also provides the voters with an opportunity to speak with the candidates one-on-one.

The mayoral candidate forum is free and open to the public.


By the way, this location is on the east side of Secor Road, across from Westgaate Shopping Village, the proposed location of Costco.

posted by RolandHansen at 03:01 P.M. EST on Fri Aug 19, 2005     #



I agree, intrepid. This race is much, much closer than this poll suggests.

A couple of thoughts from this armchair political observer:
1. Finkbeiner has the best name recognition, and the 39% he polled reflects that. This number should drop by September 13. There is no way he has that big of a lead in a 4-person race (sorry to the other three, but they are not on the charts).
2. Ludeman is worth only 8% right now? Give me a break; he could pull 15% as the only Republican even if he were on life support. You have to pencil Rob in for at least 20%.
3. Ford's numbers look a little better than I expected, although it was only a 300-person sample. He will trend up with his $150K media buy.

posted by historymike at 04:09 P.M. EST on Fri Aug 19, 2005     #



As usual for Toledo, this "Toledo Mayoral Candidates’ Forum" is going to be a joke. I'm not going to waste my time watching these twits misbehave in front of my eyes -- incidentally raising my blood pressure into the Red Zone -- so please, somebody check my predictions?:

1. It's only 2 hours. That's a ridiculously small span of time for an arguably important event. If you can't devote at least 4 hours to a mid-day event, you really don't want to meet the public.

2. The time will be largely padded by introductions. Sure, each candidate gets "3-5 minutes" (HAH! see below), but that says nothing about some announcer taking up enormous time with making introductions that amount to Democrat propaganda. (The Steam Plant "hearing" well emphasized how this little system works.)

3. The 3-5 minutes per candidate will be broken by at least Carty and Ford. Each will probably run at least 10 minutes. Ludeman will probably follow suit to get "equal time". The mediators won't have the minerals to put a stop to it.

4. In the allowed phase where the "public" can meet the candidates -- i.e. actually get within mutual-talking distance -- select not-so-public people (like Gladieux) will monopolize the candidates' time, somehow appearing magically in front of everyone else, hence significantly crowding out Joe and Jane Toledoan from actually asking an unapproved question from any of these performing monkeys (i.e. candidates).

5. At least Ford will leave early, citing a prior engagement.

6. The end product will be that the candidates will issue proclamations and meet with donors, and with announcements padding the time, that would leave about 15 minutes total time risked in front of real people, but even then a handler animal (i.e. like a campaign manager or assistant) will manage each contact to make sure nothing crazy like the truth ever emerges:

Joe Toledoan: "Mr. Finkbeiner, how do you intend to pay Toledo's operating costs when you keep handing out tax abatements?"
Handler Animal: "Whup! The candidate has already dealt with economic development issues in his speech at the Rotary Club."
Joe Toledoan: "Wha? Hey, leggo! WAIT!! HEY!!!"
Handler Animal: "NEXT!"

I hope I'm wrong, but I'm ready to put real cash down on my predictions. I know Toledo. I've watched it like a hawk for 8 years and have well noted that there is no Democracy here, and from that, all possible democratic mechanisms are corrupted to some degree to serve the ends of the Political Machine.

posted by GuestZero at 06:29 P.M. EST on Fri Aug 19, 2005     #



GuestZero:

You will be able to spend lots of time with Opal Covey discussing prophecies, or with Don Gozdowski discussing his assumptions about unemployed central city workers.

On a more serious note, your cynicism is well-founded. Jack will be bolting out the door as soon as he can wolf a plate of the cocktail shrimp, and the campaign workers will be hovering to intervene should any citizen try to actually engage a candidate in real debate (although Wilkowski will probably not pass up the chance to get free publicity if things don't follow the script).

There will most likely be more media there than actual citizens, as Beaner's can probably only hold 200 people (I am actually posting this from said establishment; if I weren't so tired I would walk over to the Building Capacity sign and see what it is rated), and we Toledoans are notoriously apathetic when it comes to getting off of our collective arses and actually getting involved.

posted by historymike at 07:01 P.M. EST on Fri Aug 19, 2005     #



Actually, from my 13 years in the political arena, I can sympathize with GuestZero, but it usually isn't THAT bad...close, though.

There will probably be more volunteers and campaign workers than "average citizens." Having been through campaigns every year since 1993, you'd be lucky to get 15 "average citizens" at any event. I was shocked to see so many attend the last forum, but I consider that to be the anomoly.

We'll see though...

posted by intrepid at 07:47 P.M. EST on Fri Aug 19, 2005     #



From my approximately 35 years of experience in politics, public service, community activism, and civic involvement, I view things a bit differently from some of the folks here.
Isn't the First Amendment wonderful?!!!

posted by RolandHansen at 09:53 A.M. EST on Sat Aug 20, 2005     #



This poll had a small sample size, but I think it's clear that Ford is going to have major hurdles to clear to even make it close. I don't think there's much chance at all that he will win the general election, and I'm not sure if he will even make it out of the primary.
posted by HeyHey at 10:27 P.M. EST on Sun Aug 21, 2005     #



Carty has 39% support?

Why do people in Toledo like that idiot so much? His tenure in office was marked by a series of gaffes which made the city look bad, but more importantly job losses and population loss. Why put someone like that back in office, especially in his old age?

Most people in Toledo probably don't know that the city is declining (in so many ways). They just know that, "Carty kept Jeep, and gosh dern, we all got ter vote for 'em!"

posted by paddington at 11:27 P.M. EST on Sun Aug 21, 2005     #



Ahem....on the other (handicapping) mayoral thread, I said:

And the rag will do everything they can to get Ford re-elected, even though he's totally worthless, due to his following the Puppet Master's instructions on the smoker assault, plus he's black, and the paper is nothing if not PC. Sorry if my statements offend some, but I call 'em as I see 'em. And, in case no one ever noticed, I'm NOT PC.
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In the Lemonhead's "column" from Sunday, Aug. 21st: "If I'm Toledo Mayor Jack Ford, I do two things in the 2 televised debates prior to the Spt. 13th primary. First, I admit to greatly underestimating the importance of being a "cheerleader" and pledge to do a better job in that regard if re-elected. Second, I remind voters of the backbone that was required to make the city's smoking ban a reality." And Roberta The Bore (God, what an ugly woman!!) has already had how many "columns" ripping Carty? And so it begins, ladies & gentlemen....

posted by Foolkiller at 01:33 A.M. EST on Mon Aug 22, 2005     #



Paddington, Carty's inexplicable popularity is actually very understandable.

1. He's a salesman selling salt water to some very thirsty but very dumb people. They grab his product, gulp it down, and after a few hours, they are even MORE thirsty ... so they go back for more. After some iterations of this, they'll end up dead with their blackened tounges swelled up in their mouths.

2. He's not Jack Ford. Arguably, the dead cat I saw on the road the other day isn't Ford either, and it IS tempting to cast a vote for IT, instead of Ford.

The people who support Carty either choose #2 (he's not Ford) as normal people who are deeply frightened by a racist politician (Ford), OR they are very much like heavily indoctrinated Democrats and Republicans and so choose #1 out of their wishful thinking. Other than fear of Ford, there really isn't a rational reason to select Carty for mayor again since he was so bad at it the last time, and now Toledo is in even a worse position than before.

I mean, think about it. Carty's reign in Toledo was during the bubble era when savings rates were falling and people pumped those funds into stupid crap; interest rates were also falling; people were setting up one of the biggest investment frauds ever devised (i.e. dotcoms); and, factories were fleeing the area. But all that has been either reversed, or has increased, or has exhausted the possible population of victims ... and all in the worst way in each case. If Carty becomes mayor, it is inevitable that he'll preside over a Toledo with great numbers of housing foreclosures, people under the thumb of debts that they will be unable to bankrupt out of, continued falling tax revenue (from the 1-2 punch of increasing abatements and decreasing industry to even apply them to), continued Democrat attacks upon the wealth of the people through increased taxes and fees, and all garnished by hellish costs for electricity, heat and gasoline ... well! What end can we rationally expect but to watch Carty implode like the mentally unstable twit that he really is?

I have predicted several times in other forums that if he's made mayor, sometime in 2007 Carty will be in some critical council meeting where the full extent of the imbalance of payments will become unavoidable. He will then (my prediction continues) curl into a fetal position under his chair, sobbing uncontrollably due to his intrinsic inability to understand REALITY and also his inabilty to deal with REAL adversity.

Carty is just an idiot salesman-type who has nothing to sell other than an empty hand of hope. When Toledo finally grabs that closed paw of his, and forcibly prys the fingers open, it will become obvious that he has nothing to offer people.

posted by GuestZero at 02:22 A.M. EST on Mon Aug 22, 2005     #



To: Guestzero,
With regard to your posting------AMEN! :-))
I agree with you 100%
I wish we had other choices besides these SLUGS that are on the ballot; but thats Toledo politics = keeping the same idiots running for offices. Dearly beloved, we are gathered here........

posted by toledoan at 04:25 A.M. EST on Mon Aug 22, 2005     #



It's too bad there aren't more Dave Shultz's running for office. A republican using the Democrat's Voice in Toledo against them. (Watch out Karyn and Bobby!)

The Democrats within this community have not only erased the "Democrat Mantra", they've diluted what Democrats stand for.

The Republicans have NO backbone in Toledo Politics. None.

It not only is hilarious, but it's a shame a lowly newspaper publisher is the "string-holder" for those puppets in office now, which is exactly the reason Toledo is stagnant.

posted by BrianInFlorida at 05:03 A.M. EST on Mon Aug 22, 2005     #



Re: Carty

Paddington wrote:
”At any rate, Nov 2005 will eventually arrive, either Ford or Carty will become mayor, tax abatements will continue to be handed out like candy, and the city will continue losing population.”

Sadly, you are probably correct.


”Most people in Toledo probably don't know that the city is declining (in so many ways). They just know that, "Carty kept Jeep, and gosh dern, we all got ter vote for 'em!"”

Again, you are probably correct, plus there’s that short memory thing…


Foolkillerb>JRB is feverishly “puppet mastering” to get the results that he wants. Gotta finish tearing things down before He can begin to rebuild Toledo…


GuestZero,
”If Carty becomes mayor, it is inevitable that he'll preside over a Toledo with great numbers of housing foreclosures, people under the thumb of debts that they will be unable to bankrupt out of, continued falling tax revenue (from the 1-2 punch of increasing abatements and decreasing industry to even apply them to), continued Democrat attacks upon the wealth of the people through increased taxes and fees, and all garnished by hellish costs for electricity, heat and gasoline ... well! What end can we rationally expect but to watch Carty implode like the mentally unstable twit that he really is?”

There is a whole lotta truth here. And, I’m still banking on the Evil Carty (the one everyone has forgotten about) making a reappearance within a few weeks of Carty retaking office. I hope that I’m wrong, but I fear that I am not…

”I have predicted several times in other forums that if he's made mayor, sometime in 2007 Carty will be in some critical council meeting where the full extent of the imbalance of payments will become unavoidable. He will then (my prediction continues) curl into a fetal position under his chair, sobbing uncontrollably due to his intrinsic inability to understand REALITY and also his inabilty to deal with REAL adversity.”

I have continuously predicted the reemergence of the Bad Carty, the Evil Carty, but I have not predicted his eventual meltdown.

Considering that Carty had stuck JFo with ~ $16 Mil. in "Carty" debt going in, and JFo has done little or nothing to make headway on it, plus the addition of his own administration’s financial slide, I am pretty confident in predicting that the Bad Carty, a.k.a. the Evil Carty will quickly emerge, burst into flames, and melt down completely.

The 2006 Mayor Carleton S. Finkbeiner fireworks show (The Final Edition), In honor of Carty's (hyperbole alert!) famous, even legendary “Statesmanship, Wit and Charm.” (hyperbole mode off.)


BrianInFlorida,
As much as I’d like to find fault with your post and point out where your thinking went wrong, I cannot. Good job ;-)


Sadly, it looks to me like many of us will be sitting our favorite T.V. watching chairs on Primary night, munching popcorn and shaking our heads in utter disbelief. Just waiting for the inevitable train wreck…

posted by Hooda_Thunkit at 08:24 A.M. EST on Mon Aug 22, 2005     #



Hooda - not so sure about that train wreck. I think it will be much more entertaining than that. The primary is just going to narrow the list of actors.

That's when the real show will start. I'm gonna call it a 'mini-series' of local politics...

posted by DoknowDocare at 04:18 P.M. EST on Mon Aug 22, 2005     #



DoknowDocare,
"That's when the real show will start. I'm gonna call it a 'mini-series' of local politics..."

I know what you mean. What I'm trying to figure out is, "Will the mini-series be..."

A) A comedy?
B) A tragedy?
C) Both?
D) All of the above?
E) Politics as usual?
F) None of the above? (My personal favorite) :-)

posted by Hooda_Thunkit at 06:22 P.M. EST on Mon Aug 22, 2005     #



Good question, Hooda. Let me think a moment...

I know!!

TITLE: Mayoral Politics - Toledo Style

A dramatic comedy with an edgy tragic twist. This poignant series will be rapt with political strategy, skullduggery and fanatical/maniacal action!

This ingenius piece will keep you on the edge of your seat! Complete with those familiar faces you grew up with and some new exciting bit parts!

Rated PG-14 for your viewing pleasure!

posted by DoknowDocare at 07:26 P.M. EST on Mon Aug 22, 2005     #



DoknowDocare,

By Jove, I think she's got it!

Some twists, some fantasy, and incestuous irony, as only the BLOCKheads could provide ;-)

I laughed, I cried. It was better than CATS!

Oy Vey,
(I'm gona burn for this one...)

:-]

posted by Hooda_Thunkit at 08:57 P.M. EST on Mon Aug 22, 2005     #



I do believe I will take on yet another career. How about Independent Film Producer? I could follow all the candidates around and then assemble the melange of faux pas into a comedic trial and error documentary!

Wooohoooo - I'm gonna get me a video camera!

;-)

posted by DoknowDocare at 09:47 P.M. EST on Mon Aug 22, 2005     #



Is this no big deal or an example of Wilkowski not paying attention to the details?

"Standing in front of a central-city warehouse with a "For Sale or Lease" sign posted on its side, Mr. Wilkowski touted his plan to bring jobs to the city. "It's vacant," he added as the news conference was wrapping up. "We have to take a liability and turn it into a real asset." But that was news to the semi-truck driver parked around back, unloading."

"And also news to Gary Briggs, owner of Toledo-based Product Forwarding Corp., which, behind the seemingly innocent facade of broken windows and rust, has used the brick building at City Park Avenue and Hamilton Street for its warehousing business for the past 30 years."


That's funny. Wilkowski should get the Taxpayer's Advocate to pre-scout sites for news conferences. What else does TA have to do? Put the bum to work.

posted by jr at 10:13 P.M. EST on Tue Aug 23, 2005     #



I saw an ad for Jack Ford today... He prefers "doing" things rather than "talking" about it. Quiet, steady leadership.

Do people actually buy this? Just curious. I have only been back to Toledo for 2 years, but I still don't buy it.

posted by alexandra at 11:58 P.M. EST on Tue Aug 23, 2005     #



They'll buy it. Good enough for him to make it through the primary. The Blade will help ensure that, too. The worthless Ba&*%#d SHOULD come in last, as that's what he richly deserves, but it's not going to happen. I was watching channel 2 (Detroit) news this morning. They broke for commercials, and the first one was for Ford's re-election. Where'd he get all those bucks with the city in such bad shape? He, or Block, will play the race card too.Perhaps both.
posted by Foolkiller at 03:11 A.M. EST on Wed Aug 24, 2005     #



Alexandra, the political signs and ads are so full of b*llsh*t that all of them by law should be brown.

The Carty signs say he "gets results". We can see Toledo's collapsed economy as one of those great results. We can see overdevelopment in the downtown as another great result.

The Wilkowski signs say he's going to "turn Toledo around". Any rational examination of his positions indicate he'll do THAT about 360 degrees, leaving us in the same spot but even further out of breath and dizzy.

Ford's "quiet leadership" is a clear contradiction in terms. It's quiet because it's NOT leadership.

I could go on, but in summary: All the candidates are nearly criminal twits or crazies, as Toledo fully intends to follow the well-documented path of Detroit Doom.

So, sure, people buy it. They have to ... since otherwise, they'd have to admit that Toledo is actually in a particularly deep financial dive from which recovery will be very difficult and will require harsh actions. Nobody wants to face downsizing the Toledo government, so they snort another line of campaign cocaine and look in wonder at the pretty colors in their continued hallucination.

Save your money, Alexandra. Regardless of whomever gets into the offices in Government Center after November, they are almost certain to raise your taxes while lowering your services (as well as your expectations), while paying themselves handsomely as well as their cronies and supporters. When the real shock of all that hits (once people realize their home prices have crashed, their jobs have fled, and they can no longer take the Bankruptcy Morning-After Pill), you're going to need money to flee the REAL crazy stupidity that the politicans will enact come 2007 or so.

posted by GuestZero at 04:12 A.M. EST on Wed Aug 24, 2005     #



I agree that Wilkowski made a whopper of a booboo - BUT...

When you drive/walk through downtown and see those huge signs For Sale or Lease on the sides of deteriorating buildings, is your first impression not that the building is vacant? (Note: Assumption is a dangerous thing - for all of us)

Granted he should have been more thorough before posing in front of a viable business, but I'm not sure he was being disrespectful about it. (And I am NOT a Wilkowski supporter!)

And Ford's quiet leadership????? Why is it quiet? Could that be because there is NOTHING to report?? Because NOTHING is being done?? And why, in the TV ad I saw last night, is there an Australian guy touting Ford's assistance to open his business? Couldn't JFo get any of the locals to sing his praises?

As for Carty...I'm going to reserve comment at this point. He does have the energy and passion for Toledo - I'm just going to keep my fingers/toes/eyes crossed that he doesn't wake up 'Evil Carty' and prove the nay-sayers right.

Is Rob still running?

posted by DoknowDocare at 07:13 A.M. EST on Wed Aug 24, 2005     #



Okay - question: Why is Ford running commercials on a DETROIT channel that shows in Toledo? or was this just a cable channel???
posted by intrepid at 11:03 A.M. EST on Wed Aug 24, 2005     #



intrepid,

"Why is Ford running commercials on a DETROIT channel that shows in Toledo? or was this just a cable channel???"

That's just the Block Cabal maximizing their advertising revenue by running their local commercials on the out of town channels.

posted by Hooda_Thunkit at 01:13 P.M. EST on Wed Aug 24, 2005     #



Maybe JFo wants to move to Detroit?!

I personally would help load the truck! Any helpers????

posted by DoknowDocare at 04:43 P.M. EST on Wed Aug 24, 2005     #



I caught a little of Bob Frantz's radio show Thursday morning, and I think he really mislead the public about Carty missing tonight's debate.

Bob admitted that until he read this morning's Blade article, he didn't know Carty would miss tonight's debate. Bob ranted on about Carty "skipping out" on tonight's debate. Bob also said Carty decided it was a good time to take a vacation. It clearly sounded like Bob was implying that Carty just planned this vacation within the past week or at least after the debates were scheduled.

That's not true. I would think someone in Bob's position would be more informed of the facts. I was surprised to hear that Bob just learned this morning that Carty would miss tonight's debate.

The July 14 Blade article listing the schedule for the debates was also posted here. The July 14 Blade article said about the five scheduled debates:

"... Mr. Finkbeiner will miss two of them."

"At 7 p.m. on Aug. 25, the Toledo Area Chamber of Commerce will hold an on-air debate in the studios of WGTE-TV, Channel 30. Only members of the chamber will be invited to attend, and Tom Walton, vice president-editor of The Blade will moderate. The chamber said they will invite all candidates whose names appear on the ballot. Of the top four, only Mr. Finkbeiner declined, saying he will be on his once-yearly vacation with his family in northern Michigan."

More than a month ago it was publicly known that Carty would miss tonight's debate. The family vacation was planned long before the debate was scheduled. Now if the argument is whether or not Carty should be at the debate, that's one thing. But Bob made it sound like Carty on a whim decided to skip town.


Hey, did you notice, Skippy is back in the fray. From today's Blade article about Carty missing the debate:

"Wade Kapszukiewicz, the Lucas County treasurer-elect who has clashed with Mr. Finkbeiner in the past, sarcastically called the vacation "a brilliant strategy" in light of Mr. Finkbeiner's history of stirring public controversy as mayor. "He should go away until November," said Mr. Kapszukiewicz, who supports Mayor Jack Ford. "He's eliminating probably the biggest factor that threatens his election, and that is himself." "

Oh, the intellectual wit that oozes from Skippy is overwhelming. Now think about what Skippy said. Is that kind of talk you would expect from the county treasurer? Maybe it is today, but it sounds so immature and ignorant.

posted by jr at 08:29 A.M. EST on Thu Aug 25, 2005     #



Frank Szollosi weighed in on Carty's vacation today on his blog.

He seems to be of the same opinion as Wade Kapszukiewicz, except that he ties it in to a more sinister motive.

posted by historymike at 08:52 A.M. EST on Thu Aug 25, 2005     #



Yeah, Frank basically said what Frantz said this morning:

"Finkbeiner dodges his second debate of the campaign, up at a cottage in Michigan."

These dimwits obviously haven't considered what else the Blade reported today about Carty going "up north."

"His campaign spokesman, Bob Reinbolt, said Toledo's mayor from 1994 to 2002 was holding to a promise he made his wife before deciding to run again for his old job. "This is a commitment he made to his family that he plans on keeping," Mr. Reinbolt said, "and we certainly support him in keeping it." "

A once-yearly family vacation. Probably the same time at the same place every year. This is not a unique idea. I wonder how much Carty had to bargain with his wife to get her permission to run for Mayor again?

Since when does the world stop for whatever schedule the media decides upon? Why wasn't tonight's debate held two days ago or next Monday? Why this night? They knew about Carty's vacation long ago. Blame WGTE-TV.

And I tell ya, I'd pounce on any chance to go up north for a few days. I'd like to live in northern Michigan someday. That's a great area. Even Hemingway called northern Michigan "the last good country." So let's see, spend an exciting evening with Ludeman, Ford, and Wilkowski that will be watched by 34 people, or relax in northern Michigan with a huge lead in the polls and keep the wife happy.

posted by jr at 10:56 A.M. EST on Thu Aug 25, 2005     #



jr,
"keep the wife happy..."

Naahhh, on second thought, I DON'T reaaally want to know...

posted by Hooda_Thunkit at 12:23 P.M. EST on Thu Aug 25, 2005     #



Speaking of wives...

Am I the only one that has noticed the Jackie O wannabe style of Cynthia Ford? It just stunned the heck outta me!

I think she is probably a nice person, but the instant impact of that 1960s attire and the forced smile are just a bit much for me.

As for Amy Finkbeiner - she's classic, stoic and genuinely friendly. **Disclaimer - all statements made are based on my OWN experience with both ladies.

posted by DoknowDocare at 01:01 P.M. EST on Thu Aug 25, 2005     #



DoknowDocare,

As much as I'd love to, (to quote a senior past President) Not gonna go there...

posted by Hooda_Thunkit at 01:16 P.M. EST on Thu Aug 25, 2005     #



I agree with the take of Franz's show this morning and didn't like it. Since when is it bad to put your family first????

His comments were taken directly out of Carty's opponents' playbooks.

As for the timing of the debate...gee if all the candidates found out Carty couldn't be at one, that's the time I'd pick for a televised debate - and then insist that no other time would work...then I'd use Carty's absence against him...

Sound familiar?

posted by intrepid at 04:38 P.M. EST on Thu Aug 25, 2005     #



Oh, the intellectual wit that oozes from Skippy is overwhelming. Now think about what Skippy said. Is that kind of talk you would expect from the county treasurer? Maybe it is today, but it sounds so immature and ignorant.
------------------------------------

Might as well get used to it, jr, because he's there for life.

posted by Foolkiller at 07:18 P.M. EST on Thu Aug 25, 2005     #



Yep...Frantz screwed up. My bad. Completely forgot reading the debate schedule weeks ago, and seeing that Carty would miss 2 of them. Giant brain-cramp.

I've enjoyed this site for a long time, and even have it linked to my recently started blog site, but have never felt compelled to register and post until now. And I do so now not to defend myself, but to admit a mistake. I do indeed remember the story about Carty missing 2 debates, because I remember being disappointed by that fact weeks ago. I should have remembered it before going on the air with my criticism this morning.

Thanks for keeping me honest...
Bob

posted by BFrantz at 08:37 P.M. EST on Thu Aug 25, 2005     #



I went to the debate tonight at WGTE. I think it airs tomorrow at 6.

Carty's absence was regrettable because he is considered a front runner. IMO Ford was well-spoken, Ludeman was more vocal, Wilkowski showed his bound plan for the city every chance he got.

The most memorable two minutes of the debate? Opal Covey's opening remarks. If you can't watch it when it airs then tape it. The transcript just will not give you the same impact as seeing it.

posted by thinkingwoman at 09:03 P.M. EST on Thu Aug 25, 2005     #



My bad. I just realized it was already on hence the term "live".
posted by thinkingwoman at 06:27 A.M. EST on Fri Aug 26, 2005     #



BFrantz signs up and admits a mistake, instead of sidestepping the issue. That takes some stones. Frank can have a truckload of gravel in his driveway, and I bet he still won't apologize to Carty on his blog.
posted by jr at 06:27 A.M. EST on Fri Aug 26, 2005     #



Bob Frantz did the right thing, the mature thing, in admitting his mistake.

Frank Szollosi is not that mature and has no idea of how to apologize for anything. Instead he prefers to make excuses for his actions. So childish...

posted by DoknowDocare at 07:25 A.M. EST on Fri Aug 26, 2005     #



Bob Franz on his show this morning apologized to Carty - several times....
posted by intrepid at 10:52 A.M. EST on Fri Aug 26, 2005     #



Yes - that was classy of Frantz. Many in his shoes would pretend it never happened, or try to rationalize it.

Ludeman's website keeps coming up: "Oops! Website unavailable":
http://robludeman.com/

Also, Toledo Tales has news about Rob's supposed invisibility:

http://toledotales.blogspot.com/2005/08/ludeman-sighted-in-area-home.html

posted by historymike at 03:09 P.M. EST on Fri Aug 26, 2005     #



I've been looking for a transcript, if one's out there post it. Without Carty the whole debate was pretty dry.

Opal was good though. Probably the most sincere of all of'em, I'll give her that. Not looking for a transcript to post on the internets. No, really, I swear. I mean it. For she is the chosen one.

posted by Bruno at 03:48 P.M. EST on Fri Aug 26, 2005     #



Yeah, a transcript of Thursday night's debate would be nice. Transcripts must still be too much to ask for in 2005. I guess we'll have to wait for the technology to get better or something.

Apparently Wilkowski pitched an idea for reviving Southwyck mall. He suggested implementing a joint economic venture with the suburbs. An interesting thought, but what does Wilkowski want Southwyck to be? A retail shopping center, an industrial park, or a mixed-use environment?

What suburbs would agree to partner with Toledo in reviving Southwyck? Maumee? Perrysburg? Sylvania? Why would these suburbs help revive Southwyck?

Perrysburg has Levis Commons. Maumee will open its version of Levis Commons in 2006, and they already have Arrowhead Park. I think Sylvania opened a shopping center. Wouldn't a thriving Southwyck compete with the suburbs' initiatives? If Southwyck was planned to be something that the burbs felt didn't compete with their projects, then the burbs might agree to a joint venture.

posted by jr at 05:27 P.M. EST on Fri Aug 26, 2005     #



Franklin Park is considered to be the Sylvania mall, though technically it is comfortably within the Toledo city limits. People from Sylvania have little interest in Southwyck.
posted by paddington at 05:36 P.M. EST on Fri Aug 26, 2005     #



I thought Sylvania also opened a shopping center out in farm country similar to Levis Commons.
posted by jr at 05:47 P.M. EST on Fri Aug 26, 2005     #



Mayor Candidates Forum This Sunday
I am wondering if any of you will be attending the Toledo Mayoral Candidates’ Forum this Sunday, (August 28, 2005) from 3:00 to 5:00 p.m. at Beaner's Gourmet Coffee, located in the Cricket West Plaza, 3160 Markway, across from Westgate.
Every single candidate for mayor has been invited, including the write-in candidate. To the best of my knowledge, all the mayoral candidates have indicated that they would attend.
I know I will be there and it would be nice to see some of you there. It would be great to see those of you with whom I am already acquainted: and, I would also like to meet the folks here whom I do not yet know.

posted by RolandHansen at 06:01 P.M. EST on Fri Aug 26, 2005     #



Unless there's something I'm suppose to do Sunday afternoon that I'm not aware of, I plan to check out Sunday's forum.
posted by jr at 06:21 P.M. EST on Fri Aug 26, 2005     #



I checked the WGTE website and there is not an option for transcripts that I could locate.

I understand that the whole forum is going to be re-broadcast on Channel 69 this evening (Friday) at 8:00.

I missed the opening remarks, but I understand that Opal stole the show! ;-)

posted by DoknowDocare at 06:35 P.M. EST on Fri Aug 26, 2005     #



Channel 69? What is that? Doesn't sound like anything us rabbit-ear users could pick up.
posted by jr at 06:38 P.M. EST on Fri Aug 26, 2005     #



I tried to catch it on Channel 69, but all I was getting was a crossed up version of some radio sports show! I was SO looking forward to hearing all the opening remarks....now I'm gonna have to muster some mental imagery to carry me through.

Sorry for the false alarm. :-(

PS - That's a cable channel. But come to think of it, maybe that's one of the DIGITAL cable channels. I don't have the digital service.

posted by DoknowDocare at 09:21 P.M. EST on Fri Aug 26, 2005     #



On the subject of casino gambling:

"Toledo's struggling economy has mayoral candidates taking a cue from Cleveland's mayor who is looking seriously at casino gambling."

"Mayor Jack Ford has mixed feelings about casino gambling. "If we had one in Toledo, that would generate some help to our economy," said Ford. But the mayor says casino tax revenues also bring social concerns for communities."

"Toledo mayoral candidates Keith Wilkowski and Rob Ludeman call for taking casino gambling one step at a time. "I support the idea that the people should have the right to vote on it. Let's see what the people have to say, then we will take a look at it after that," said Keith Wilkowski. "I'm not in favor of gambling, but if a majority of people decide that's their will, we need to take advantage of it," said Rob Ludeman. Ludeman says Toledo's waterfront would be a perfect spot for a gambling venue if voters approve."

posted by jr at 05:39 A.M. EST on Sat Aug 27, 2005     #



I believe it was Taft that said that gambling, in Ohio, would cause the deterioration of family values. Or maybe that was JFo...

ALL the politicians should understand that family values are taught at HOME. If you have a dysfuntional family with little or no basic values, then gambling is not going to make a bit of difference.

Either way, casino gambling has a place in NWO. And the addition of jobs would be a welcome thing! With the additional income tax base we could hire more police/fire personnel, improve streets, lighting, neighborhoods....

I know some will say that casinos are the straw that breaks the camel's back, but why should we allow money to drive right through our city and deposit itself in Detroit - or worse yet, in Canada?! Keep the cash here!

NOW JFo has mixed feelings....what a stinking revelation. They weren't mixed earlier in his admninistration - they were against the idea.

Wilkowski and Ludeman both say that they would have to "look at it" if that's what the people want. That sounds like a non answer to me.

So far they have all been "looking" at the Marina District, a new arena, the smoking ban, etc.

posted by DoknowDocare at 07:01 A.M. EST on Sat Aug 27, 2005     #



Ford is -I'll say it-a TWO-FACED SCUMBAG LIAR!!! He DESPISES smokers, drinkers, and gamblers. Period. Which is why there was no indecision before this. Just another of his many ploys to suck votes from those dumbasses with memories that only go back a week.
posted by Foolkiller at 08:04 A.M. EST on Sat Aug 27, 2005     #



Foolkiller, explain to me why Jack Ford had a smoking room set aside at a hotel for one of his events, as well as Jack Ford being sighted around Sylvania and Maumee restaurants smoking a cigar, both times during the tighter smoking restrictions in Toledo?
posted by BrianInFlorida at 08:18 A.M. EST on Sat Aug 27, 2005     #



I'll be at Beaner's Sunday. Should be interesting.
posted by historymike at 09:06 A.M. EST on Sat Aug 27, 2005     #



Brian - PLEASE let me answer that one!!! ;-)

Ummmmmm (buzzer sounds!) He's a hypocrite!!!!!!

Was I right? Do I win???

And - for the record - at a political gathering a couple years ago I was outside smoking (yep! I do that!) and JFo came out the door and stopped - looked at me and said - "Don't you know that's not healthy?" My answer, "Healthier than politics."

That was the end of the conversation....

posted by DoknowDocare at 09:08 A.M. EST on Sat Aug 27, 2005     #



BLING DING DING BLING DING BLING!!

Answer the "extra credit" question, and you may win either a new car OR the satisfaction of watching an overpaid zombie using his clout for his own selfish purposes whilst scrambling about tossing campaign money at anyone with a camcorder and a 3-week drinking binge behind him for creative consultant for his campaign commercials.

The question is: Name the hotel which Jack Ford used for his "function", putting the hotel at risk for not only violating the smoking ban, but violating a fire order?

posted by BrianInFlorida at 10:33 A.M. EST on Sat Aug 27, 2005     #



Wyndham Hotel
posted by MrsPhoenix at 01:25 P.M. EST on Sat Aug 27, 2005     #



Yeah, Ludeman continued with his have-it-both-ways stance when he commented about gambling. He said he's not in favor of gambling, but the Toledo waterfront would be a damn fine place to have a casino.

And Jack Ford has definitely softened his view about casino gambling in Toledo. In April 2003:

"[Toledo Mayor Jack Ford] has said in the past he was 'adamantly opposed to gambling' because it contributes to social problems, including violence in families and alcoholism."

In Feb 2005:

"Toledo's mayor also briefly addressed the idea of casino gambling and suggested that a small committee be formed because the area hasn't "really stuck a finger in that nest." He said legislative packages sometimes arrive from Columbus "out of the air," and the region should have some planning in case casino gambling becomes an option."

posted by jr at 04:29 P.M. EST on Sat Aug 27, 2005     #



I can't read Mayor Ford's billboards because my car shakes too bad from the potholes in the streets.
posted by Reluctant_OM at 07:20 P.M. EST on Sat Aug 27, 2005     #



I saw on 13abc.com that Crapy Finkbeiner is still in the lead by 45% of the channel 13 poll. Start packing Jack,every time you open your mouth on TV "DULLARD" oozes out.
Folks, ENTHUSIASM isn't in Ford's vocabulary.
While Finkbeiner is FULL of enthusiasm, (among other things)and is C H E E R F U L and ALERT when addressing a small gathering or the media. If Jack Ford ever smiled, the walls of city hall would crack and crumble to the ground from the shock ! Finkbeiner is going to start his door to door campaigning; lucky me - my Doberman answers MY door !

posted by toledoan at 01:52 A.M. EST on Sun Aug 28, 2005     #



I saw on 13abc.com that Crapy Finkbeiner is still in the lead by 45% of the channel 13 poll. Start packing Jack,every time you open your mouth on TV "DULLARD" oozes out.
-----------------------------------------

ahem...you did notice who still came in SECOND, don't you? With 13% still undecided? And it's still early. Said it before-this totally worthless ba&$#%d (JFo) DESERVES to come in dead last-and I WISH TO GOD I could see that-but it isn't going to happen. The rag & his big-bucks ads (plus the race card) will carry his worthless ass through the primary. Carty's numbers won't go up or down much, either, but watch ford's start to rise...

posted by Foolkiller at 06:14 A.M. EST on Sun Aug 28, 2005     #



Did you read today's paper about their poll? I didn't see anything surprising except for Ludeman...

Let's see, he says the reason his numbers are so low is because of Noe and Taft - but he didn't have anything to do with that...

Guess he forgot that he's not really been campaigning, hasn't held a press conference, hasn't presented any ideas for what he'd do a mayor, hasn't done anything - really. And the reason his numbers are so low - including with Republicans - is because of someone else????

OVERHEARD A CONVERSATION THE OTHER DAY ABOUT WRITING IN - NONE OF THE ABOVE...SUGGESTION WAS TO WRITE IN MIKE BELL FOR MAYOR...

I actually liked that one - fire chief, well-respected, good union relations, registered Democrat but rather conservative in actions, good manager of the fire department, African-American, Woodward High School graduate, excellent relations with the suburban communities through his county-wide homeland security committee.

Any thoughts?

posted by intrepid at 07:48 A.M. EST on Sun Aug 28, 2005     #



Managers and leaders are different. If it's true as the Blade says that economic development is a top issue I think Bell would have a very difficult time.

Having said that I've heard as much from Bell as I have from Ludeman.

posted by thinkingwoman at 09:14 A.M. EST on Sun Aug 28, 2005     #



Why does Toledo have to have a black mayor? It's not even a majority black city.
posted by paddington at 11:03 A.M. EST on Sun Aug 28, 2005     #



Paddington, Toledo "must" have a Black (or "majority minority") mayor since the city is impoverished and in decline. This is so since the prior ruling class had realized Toledo's fated demise (primarily since they planned it) and didn't want to retain power over a liability; hence, a power vacuum appeared, which the majority minority could assume control of. It's kind of like waking up one day in your run-down apartment building and finding that the landlord had skipped town ... so you get a group of like-minded fellow poor tenants together and start collecting rent, maintaining the boiler, repairing the windows, etc.

I'll reveal certain things below that only concentrate on the White/Black fractions, which is not to demean the Hispanic and Oriental fractions.

1. Blacks make up about 23% of Toledo. That's about twice the national average population fraction for Blacks.

2. White people are still leaving Toledo.

3. Those White people who remain generally don't vote. That 40% average turnout represents that, and too many of the Whites I know pointedly don't vote for a variety of reasons.

4. There is still a significant percentage of White people who vote Republican, whereas the Blacks are more more heavily Democrats.

When Ford ran, Black people turned out in DROVES at the polls. A friend of mine said he was shocked at how they were crowding the polling place at Larchmont school. He hadn't known his district was so heavily Black.

So, all these things became an electoral force for Ford. But can he do it again?

Ford is facing 2 serious obstacles for attaining the rightful position of a Black mayor of an industrial city in decline:

1. Carty. He's just too popular and represents a significant Centrist force. Ford should have seen this coming, and should have come out of his cave much earlier to do all the make-work and style-meistering that Carty did in the 1990s ... all in order to steal Carty's thunder. (Note: I don't support make-work and style-meistering. I'm just noting they exist.)

2. Himself. Despite Skippy's admonishment of Carty, Ford's real problem is himself. It's been my personal theory that Ford was sent here to "take control" of Toledo by the Dems in Columbus. That would have kept Toledo a Democrat stronghold. However, Ford's style is to simply do nothing except cash his paychecks. Ford could have capitalized on Toledo's decline by making it a city much beholden to welfare interests. Even with welfare's decline under Clinton and Bush, there's more than enough out there to place Toledo on "life support" and to make it a client of the welfare state. (Note: I don't support THAT, either.) But Ford didn't do much of that. The truth is that Ford's simply a lazy elitist who really only knows how to play the race card. And I think that the Black voting bloc is realizing this too.

posted by GuestZero at 01:46 P.M. EST on Sun Aug 28, 2005     #



This "action" photo (350k) outside Beaner's after Sunday's forum "shows" three of the mayoral candidates.

Click to enlarge



Wilkowski is in the background on the left. Opal has her ear to a phone held by a Carty campaign helper. Carty is on the other end of the phone line.

By the way, the Opalmobile has its own PA system, which we were priviledged to hear loud and clear after the forum.

Carty was not at the forum. I thought he was suppose to be there. It appeared that Carty definitely had the biggest army of campaign supporters at Beaner's. After the forum, I asked one of the helpers where Carty was. He said Carty would be there at 4:15.

Each candidate had five minutes to win us over. It was warm upstairs at Beaner's. So when this political spew part of the forum ended at 3:50, most of the 80+ people present immediately went downstairs or outside to "mingle" with the candidates or to get out of Dodge. Carty did arrive at 4:15 but few people remained. That's when I left.

Anyway, shortly after the forum ended, I stood outside by Carty's Army, which was near the Beaner's entrance. One of Carty's helpers called Carty to see where he was. Opal was in her car, which was also by the door to Beaner's, and she gave the Carty Army a hard time over her PA system.

Opal broadcasted that she lost everything she owned because of Carty. Opal said Carty shut her business down in the middle of the night. She said Carty stole her mother's ring.

One Carty foot soldier couldn't take it anymore. He moved closer to Opal's car and held a Carty sign up while he talked to Carty on the phone. That only got Opal more wound up.

Opal got out of her car, walked over to the guy, and shoved her own propaganda into the face of the Carty supporter who didn't flinch. I mean the guy was rock solid. While under a barrage of point-blank accusations by Opal, the Carty supporter never changed his facial expressions, he kept his sign held high, and continued to listen to Carty over the phone.

Finally, I chimed in and said to Opal, "He's talking to Carty." The dude put the phone to Opal's ear, and Opal laughed and said, "Oh, he is."

A few minutes later, Carty arrived. Opal was back in her car blabbing over her PA system when Carty made it to Beaner's. She let loose on Carty. Carty didn't waste any time getting inside.

That's why I hung around after the forum because I thought something amusing might happen.

Oh, you're probably wondering, did any of the candidates say anything worthwhile? Was the gathering worth it? Yeah, I suppose. I took some notes. Maybe I'll share them later.

posted by jr at 05:11 P.M. EST on Sun Aug 28, 2005     #



Here's historymike's observations on the Beaner's event:

http://historymike.blogspot.com/2005/08/toledo-mayoral-candidates-at-beaners.html

Too lengthy to post here.

posted by historymike at 05:52 P.M. EST on Sun Aug 28, 2005     #



historymike, nice recap and good pics. Sucking up to Ford, eh? How did that commenter know you are a Ford operative?


Keith Wilkowski

Wilkowski spoke first, and he focused on the past versus the future. Keith's future involves bringing knowledge-based jobs to Toledo. Tech jobs. Keith said he has a plan that involves UT, the Medical University of Ohio, and something about U of M. He said we need to take advantage of the location of these research institutions.


Opal Covey

Opal was next. She said that just two hours earlier, God sat her down on the couch and told her what to say at the forum. She said God will speak to her for hours. Opal read from a printout. God's words. God or Opal said "Toledo is dead."

God said this is the second chance we get to vote for Opal to be mayor of Toledo. God said there won't be a third time. According to God, if Opal is not elected mayor, she will leave Toledo and take half of the citizens with her.

Opal pitched her downtown amusement park idea. Opal said she gave her first prophecy at age 13, and it came true a few hours later. She said she's had many prophecies come true and has handed out many miracles and healings.

Opal didn't get to finish reading God's words, because her time was up. Roland Hansen kept a strict time limit, warning the candidates when they were running out of time. With Opal, Roland had to cut her off. Roland interrupted Opal by saying "Thank you very much." I wonder if God appreciates having his words abruptly ended like that? Don't stand too close to Roland the next time a thunderstorm rolls through.


Martin Okonski

Okonski spoke third. He understands the need for non-smokers to have clean air, but he feels the smoking ban could have been written better. He said adults who smoke should be allowed to have fun too. He said his 20 years in the Navy gave him leadership experience he can use as mayor. His travels in the military allowed him to visit other cities and has given him ideas for Toledo.

He proposed a monorail system from Southwyck to downtown Toledo. He also mentioned the importance of Lake Erie West as a way to sell Toledo and attract jobs.


Rob Ludeman

I think Ludeman said that he was the only one on City Council who is also a business owner. Is that correct? Anyway, Rob said as mayor, he would conduct "business roundtables," which I guess are to hear the concerns of local businesses. Like the way Toledo "heard" the concerns of businesses in early 2003 prior to Council voting for the strict smoking ban? That sham of a Task Force.

Rob said TPS could do better. He said people move out of Toledo because of the perception about Toledo Public Schools. Perception? Meeting 4 standards out of 23 is no perception. That's cold hard facts. Rob also said he would make Toledo safer, more security, etc. Rob promoted the fact that he has been on Toledo City Council for 12 years. I guess I expected more from someone who has been on Council that long.


Don Gozdowski

Like historymike said, Gozdowski apologized to Opal for thinking or saying that Opal was a "fruitcake" and a "fanatic." Gozdowski said he has a central city ministry, and he is a Christian counselor. He said the problems of the inner city are crime and drugs. He calls himself the "Clean Slate Candidate" because he has no political experience. He admitted that he has never even attended a City Council meeting.

Gozdowski said a campground should go on the land where the current sports arena sits. He bragged about how RVs could pull into the campground. There would be boat docks and shower facilities. Gozdowski said Moms could get their hair pampered and Dad could go fishing. To that I say, what if Dad wants to get his hair pampered and Mom wants to go fishing?

I think Gozdowski suggested a pedestrian tunnel is needed to connect International Park to the other side of Main Street.

And I thought Gozdowski said he would build a tram or something to connect both sides of the Maumee River??? He also mentioned some kind of famine relief program for Toledo or for Toledo to support such a program??? I'm not sure. Maybe the heat was getting to me at that point, because I was having trouble following him.


Jack Ford

Jack spoke last. The order was chosen randomly by pulling names out of a plastic bag.

Jack said four years ago at a similar forum at Beaner's, he spoke about improving the arts, the economy, and diversity in Toledo, and Jack believes he has met those promises during his first term.

Jack said he has been mayor during a "War Economy." He said he inherited a $14 million deficit. And Jack said that unlike Pittsburgh, Cleveland, and Detroit, Toledo has not had to let people go. I heard on the news this evening that Detroit is laying off more police.

Jack said the city's budget four years ago was $233 million. Today, it's $225 million. Jack mentioned the seven supplier plants that are in Toledo or are coming to Toledo. He mentioned the small business award he received last year.

And Jack did say he was proud of the strict smoking ban he got pushed through in 2003. You know, maybe some or many, like myself, disagree with the 2003 version of the ban, but at least Jack has not waivered. He has conviction on this issue. He wanted a strict smoking ban, and he still believes it's the right thing. I can respect that. Then you have the pretenders like Ludeman and McCloskey who expressed concern over what a strict ban might do to some businesses, but they voted for it anyway.

Another success Jack mentioned was the CareNET health care program that now gives 6000 more people health care who didn't have it before.


After the speaking part of the forum ended, I sat upstairs at Beaner's for a bit as people and candidates filed past. Then I stood outside by the door. Jack Ford was the only one who walked over to me and shook my hand. He looked me in the eye and with his deep voice he said, "How's it going chief?"

It was good that Beaner's, the West Toledo Herald, and Roland put this event on for the public.

posted by jr at 09:51 P.M. EST on Sun Aug 28, 2005     #



Those are some good and interesting reports from jr and historymike. Given the parameters with which I had to work, I did what I could as the facilitator for the Mayoral Candidates Forum at Beaners. And there is no doubt about it, Beaners was just too small and too hot for this event.
I was disappointed that none of the candidates stayed through to 5:00. Carty showed up at 4:15 and spoke with a few folks that had stuck around along with another group of people there until 5:20.

posted by RolandHansen at 10:22 P.M. EST on Sun Aug 28, 2005     #



Those poll numbers "according to a Zogby International poll commissioned by The Blade and WTVG-TV, Channel 13."

Finkbeiner 48.5%
Ford 16.5%
Ludeman 11%
Wilkowski 9%
Others < 2%
Undecided 13%

posted by jr at 11:58 P.M. EST on Sun Aug 28, 2005     #



Important weather alert for Northwest Ohioans here.

Don't say that you were not warned about Hurricane Cartyrina.

posted by Subcomandante_bob at 10:22 A.M. EST on Mon Aug 29, 2005     #



Forgot to mention that last week's TFP interview was with Martin Okonski.

I belive Okonski was the only mayoral candidate who participated in a break-out session at the June 25 Marina District Charette. Ford gave a few comments during the opening-remarks session, but then he left before the brainstorming began.

Martin's thoughts about the project from the interview:

"The Marina District gives us a great opportunity to attract different types of people to the city. Most of the local politicians do not understand the importance of this plan."

That's for sure, epsecially McCloskey.

More from the interview:

"On public schools: The candidate expressed skepticism that taxpayer money is being efficiently spent by TPS. “I want to spend time first going through the books,” he said. “There seems to be a neverending call for levies, and at the same time the assessments on houses continue to go up.” "

Can a mayor do that? intrepid said yesterday:

"But you've hit a very important nail on the head - why the mayoral candidates are talking about the schools...they have NO authority over the schools and can do nothing about the way they're run, funded, etc."

More from the Okonski interview:

"On the city budget: While a believer in a balanced budget, Okonski nonetheless said the next mayor’s focus must be on job growth. “The only way this city will turn around is by aggressively seeking out businesses to relocate here,” he said. “When job growth occurs, everything else falls into place. The city is too dependent upon the auto industry,” he said, adding his administration would focus on attracting high-tech companies. “When a recession hits, Toledo is one of the first to suffer and one of the last to recover.” "

"On public transportation: The candidate said improving the region’s mass transit is an important step in helping Toledo move ahead. “The most successful cities are able to efficiently move large numbers of people in and out of the Downtown area,” he said. “Toledo’s growth will be slowed by its inadequate mass-transit system. Okonski said a first step would be to build a non-stop monorail system linking Downtown and Southwyck."

posted by jr at 11:22 A.M. EST on Tue Aug 30, 2005     #



Blade article about people's perception of the city and the candidates:



"Toledo sank into an economic funk. The poll suggests many voters blame Mr. Ford: More than 60 percent of respondents said the city was headed in the wrong direction. Nearly as many identified jobs and economy as their top concern this election."

"Several poll respondents said in interviews that they were willing to set aside concerns about Mr. Finkbeiner’s demeanor in office because they liked his accomplishments in retrospect."


Wilkowski said of Carty:

"People need to be reminded of how erratic [Mr. Finkbeiner] was, and people will be reminded of how erratic he was. His record on job creation is not what he claims it is, and we’ll be talking about that."


And Skippy stopped playing at the McDonald's playpen long enough to attack Carty:

"One of Mr. Finkbeiner’s frequent detractors couldn’t wait that long.
Wade Kapszukiewicz, the Lucas County treasurer-elect and a Ford backer, yesterday compared Mr. Finkbeiner’s 1998 conviction for not disclosing to the state ethics commission a $10,000 payment from a real estate deal his administration helped arrange to Mr. Taft’s recent plea of no contest to four counts of failing to report gifts while in office. “When it comes that time of the campaign to remind people of that, Carty’s going to fall,” Mr. Kapszukiewicz said."

posted by jr at 12:02 P.M. EST on Tue Aug 30, 2005     #



A bit of news from WSPD about Wilkowski:

"Democrat Keith Wilkowski says Mayor Ford and former Mayor Carty Finkbeiner share responsibility for the city's sluggish economy, and new leadership's needed to help turn things around."

posted by jr at 02:07 P.M. EST on Tue Aug 30, 2005     #



WTOL debate thoughts

Sure, it was a staged political event to pacify the masses and all that, but it was entertaining.

Ford held his own last night, except for the question about the ToledoWorks billboards. Got slaughtered on that zinger. From a guy not noted for his prowess behind the camera, though, he looked at ease.

Wilkowski did pretty well, but he did not hit the rhetorical home runs that he needed to gain much ground. He also seemed like he was sweating a lot; his face was shiny. Got smacked a few times with the "is-he-for-Toledo-or-is-he-for-Rossford" questions.

Carty, well-rested from his vacation, was at the top of his game. The best Carty moment was when he had that Cheshire-cat grin when talking about his goofy "deaf-moving-to-the-airport" faux pas. He turned what would have been a horrid, awkward moment for most politicians into TV magic.

(historymike is momentarily mesmerized **shakes his head** No! No! Don't fall for Carty's spell! **smacks himself** Whoa...almost got drafted into the Carty Army)

Carty has definitely improved as a performer during his Channel 13 stint. Nearly matched Jerry Anderson in the department of smooth talking.

Does that make him a good mayor, though?

Ludeman needed a big night, but was instead unspectacular. Better luck next debate, Rob. He looked like his hands were shaking a bit last night.

The best part I thought was the "lightning round," in which candidates received individual questions from viewers and had 60 seconds to respond. Wilkowski did the best here, especially when a viewer wrongly accused him of sending all of his kids to private schools (2 graduated from Start, 1 from St. Francis, and one goes to St. Francis). Wilkowski drilled that pitch for extra bases. He almost looked like he got the dream question; I swear I saw him pump his fist afterward and whisper: "YESSSSSS" (OK, made up the last part)

I declare Carty the victor by default, since none of the other candidates were able to out-charm the King of Charisma.

WTOL's unofficial, unscientific debate poll results (the question: "Who won tonight's WTOL News 11 Mayoral Debate?"):

Carty Finkbeiner 44%

Jack Ford 31%

Rob Ludeman 8%

Keith Wilkowski 17%

Of course, the results are probably meaningless, since a few Carty or Jack supporters could sit there for hours on their PCs and give their candidate a couple of hundred extra votes (one of my kids was mad that Ludeman was "losing" the online poll, and entered a dozen for Rob until I made him go to bed; he'd have given Ludeman 200 votes if I let him stay up all night. Hey - this poll is kind of like the BOE, right? Ha. That, then, must make me just like the MACHINE, since I closed the polls early and disenfranchised my kid)

posted by historymike at 07:19 A.M. EST on Wed Aug 31, 2005     #



Opening comments by the candidates in last night's Ch 11 debate:

Jack Ford started by saying our hearts go out to the people in the southland. Ford said he inherited a huge deficit. He said he discovered loans he was not aware of, and the city is still paying for them. He balanced the budget, and Toledo will have a surplus at the end of the year. He mentioned the 110 miles of repaired streets by the end of 2005, which will be the most ever in a single year.

Cart Finkbeiner started by mentioning the article in last Friday's Blade about top-paying jobs leaving Lucas County. Carty pointed out that the national unemployment rate dropped to about 5.0% while Toledo's is 7.6%. Carty talked about his previous time as mayor of Toledo by saying Toledo was highlighted in Time, Newsweek, Reader's Digest, and Kiplinger's. Carty talked about the Jeep jobs he retained. Carty said he's the candidate who realizes that job creation is Toledo's number one challenge facing the city today.

Some of Keith Wilkowski's opening remarks in his own words:

"I'm Keith Wilkowski, and I'm running for mayor because Toledo desperately needs new, energetic, and responsible leadership to bring jobs and people back to the city. For the last 12 years, Mr. Finkbeiner, Mr. Ford, and Mr. Ludeman have been in charge of this city, and let's look at the results. We've lost thousands of jobs and thousands of people. In fact Toledo is the only urban area in the state of Ohio that's losing high tech, high paying jobs. I decided to run for mayor because I know we can do so much better."

So Keith also referenced the same Blade article from last Friday.

Rob Ludeman discussed the qualities that people have told him a mayor should have:
Honest to himself and taxpayers.
Hard-working every single day of the week.
Respectful of others especially others that he works with.
Energetic and youthful but with channeled enthusiasm.
Calm under pressure.
A sense of vision to move the city forward.
To listen more than he speaks.
To have a positive approach to politics and when dealing with people.
To be a person of faith.
Rob said that people have told him that he possesses all of those qualities.

Later in the debate, Rob said of himself:
"I'm the only person on this panel who is at the same time a businessman and an elected public servant."


Ch 11 said the top question or one of the most important questions they received was about the location of the new arena. Where should the arena go? On the east side or near Fifth Third Field?

Carty got to answer this question first, and I believe he gave a great answer. Carty's own words:

"With all due respect to everyone on this issue, I think we have it wrong. In 2001 the voters by 70 to 30 margin voted for a marina district. Yes, to include a sports arena but a whole lot of other facets of a marina district. I will put the peddle to the metal on the marina district. The voters voted for it. The money was set aside to build it. I happen to think it will make this a city where people will drive at least two hours to that which we put on the banks of the Maumee River and east Toledo. With regard to a sports arena, when a man comes forward or a woman or a combination of both, with 80-90 million dollars and says "I'm interested in building a sports arena in Toledo," I'll listen to where he or she says they want to put it because we need that private sector dollar to build the sports arena."

Just one thing. The marina district project is moving forward right now, and it has been for a while. I believe it's dishonest to say or imply that nothing is happing with the marina district project. As I said before, the land set aside for the marina district project is "badland." It's not pristine farmland where about the only thing you need to do to get it ready for development is harvest some crops.

Remediation is a big word, but it needs to be understood that a lot of work was needed to get the marina district land ready for development. Problems existed with the first two developers. At least with one anyway. But now Toledo has settled with Pizzuti who has been a part of several public meetings in Toledo this summer. You learn by being at those meetings.

Ford's own words to the question about the location of the arena:

"For a long time, I supported the sports arena going on the east side. I still think that's where we sold it to the voters. However, after looking at two studies, two phases, it's clear to me that the financial support for the arena is heavily based on the west side. And I think the market should dictate where we end up going. We as a city cannot come up with the 90 million plus that it will take to build the arena."

Rob started his answer by saying first, before talking about the location, the city needs to address the size and the financing of the arena. Rob believes with the new bridge opening, the arena would thrive on the east side.

Keith answered by saying he has a plan to revitalize downtown. He said the city needs to take advantage of its greatest asset, which is Firth Third Field. Personally, I think Toledo's greatest asset are the people who are investing their time and money into building Toledo. Keith went on to say that the city needs to create a critical mass by the convention center and Fifth Third Field. Keith said we can still have an excellent marina district.


A back and forth shot between Ford and Wilkowski took place during their answering of a question about businesses locating in and out of Toledo. During Ford's answer, Jack said:

"One of the comments that was made earlier was that if Mr. Wilkowski is elected he will get the marina district going quickly. I hope it is not as quickly as he got the Rossford arena going quickly. There was $5 million put on the table and spent on that effort, and as a result, Rossford does not have the city services it once had, and he was the lead attorney."

Wilkowski started is answer by responding to Jack's accusation:

"And let me begin by saying if Mr. Ford spent as much time worrying about Toledo as he apparently does about Rossford, we'd be a lot better off."

I could be wrong, but I think Jack's attack on Wilkowski in this incident was severely misplaced. The Rossford arena project was not Wilkowski's idea. Keith was hired for legal services, which any large project would have. Seems flattering for Toledo that another community choose someone from Toledo to assist them with a project. Implying that Keith had something to do with the failure of the Rossford arena seems wrong to me.

posted by jr at 10:25 A.M. EST on Wed Aug 31, 2005     #



Just some observations about historymike's and jr's comments:

Regarding Carty's personna, Does that make him a good mayor, though? In some aspects it makes him a good mayor, considering that part of being mayor is being charismatic, approachable, articulate, and willing to occasionally take a lump or two over historical decisions - good or bad. Jack is distant, aloof, withdrawn, and detached - from reality and from the people that voted him into office previously. A Mayor, ANY mayor, needs to be socially comfortable in his own skin. So far Carty is the only one I've seen that has that particular trait. Jack fidgets (hand in his pocket, rocking back and forth. Ludeman visibly trembles - makes me feel bad for him. Wilkowski starts doing the "ladies and gentlemen of the jury" dance while he strikes the pose of 'in your face'. Just don't trust him. It's a gut thing.

Jack Ford started by saying our hearts go out to the people in the southland. Ford said he inherited a huge deficit. He said he discovered loans he was not aware of, and the city is still paying for them. He balanced the budget, and Toledo will have a surplus at the end of the year. He mentioned the 110 miles of repaired streets by the end of 2005, which will be the most ever in a single year.
I believe all of us have empathy and compassion for the folks down south. I don' have a problem with his reference here. There is not a sitting mayor that I know of that did not inherit a deficit. That's just a fact of municipal finance. And, for the record, the budget balanced, but Jack (nor Carty) has ever done this singlehandedly. The penalties imposed by the state for NOT balancing the budget are not attractive to any politician. I'm still waiting to see where the surplus is going to come from. As for the paving....I know for a fact that some of those projects have been in the works for over 5 years. Funding through ODOT and the feds sometimes gets 'diverted' to disaster areas and local governments get back in the back seat till the next round of money.

Cart Finkbeiner started by mentioning the article in last Friday's Blade about top-paying jobs leaving Lucas County. Carty pointed out that the national unemployment rate dropped to about 5.0% while Toledo's is 7.6%. Carty talked about his previous time as mayor of Toledo by saying Toledo was highlighted in Time, Newsweek, Reader's Digest, and Kiplinger's. Carty talked about the Jeep jobs he retained. Carty said he's the candidate who realizes that job creation is Toledo's number one challenge facing the city today.
Absolutely true in regard to national publications and Toledo's standing as a decent place to live and work. And also true that the person that realizes job creation is priority one will make a more rational decision than someone that believes that paved roads and billboards along AWT are the answer.

Also, "With all due respect to everyone on this issue, I think we have it wrong. In 2001 the voters by 70 to 30 margin voted for a marina district. Yes, to include a sports arena but a whole lot of other facets of a marina district. I will put the peddle to the metal on the marina district. The voters voted for it. The money was set aside to build it. I happen to think it will make this a city where people will drive at least two hours to that which we put on the banks of the Maumee River and east Toledo. With regard to a sports arena, when a man comes forward or a woman or a combination of both, with 80-90 million dollars and says "I'm interested in building a sports arena in Toledo," I'll listen to where he or she says they want to put it because we need that private sector dollar to build the sports arena." Carty was right on the point. The voters made a decision, and as long as any of the project will involve 'public' money, it should go where the voters decided

As for the balance of the topics, Rob appeared to be much too indecisive. Keith started getting defensive and trite. Not a good stance for a politician.

BUT in defense of Keith - he was the Rossford attorney, NOT the person directly responsible for the failed Rossford arena, at least as I understand it.

Interesting evening, all in all, and the next one should be even better.

posted by DoknowDocare at 01:17 P.M. EST on Wed Aug 31, 2005     #



"Democrat Keith Wilkowski will launch a $90,000 television advertising campaign [Sep 2], in a last-ditch effort to make the Sept. 13 cut in the Toledo mayor's race. Mayor Jack Ford will spend $55,000 on television through the primary election. A spokesman for Carty Finkbeiner said the former mayor would launch a $50,000 television campaign next Wednesday."

And what a shock about Rob ...

"The other major candidate, Councilman Rob Ludeman, said yesterday he did not plan to advertise before the primary."

I know he's denied it, what else is going to say, but I still think Rob was a token Republican entry in the mayoral race with no intention on taking this campaign serious. He drew the short straw and had to enter.

No advertising? If you believe polls, then Rob's lack of advertising doesn't make sense.

Finkbeiner 48.5%
Ford 16.5%
Ludeman 11%
Wilkowski 9%
Others < 2%
Undecided 13%

Ludeman is only a few % points behind the number two spot with 13% undecided. Making it to November is within reach for Rob. Maybe his campaign doesn't have the funds, which would be another indicator of the Republicans not taking this campaign serious.

posted by jr at 10:10 A.M. EST on Thu Sep 01, 2005     #



When the charter was changed in 1993 we were promised great things , vibrant leadership , true leaders, retired captians of industry would flock to the job. They raised the mayers pay 4 years ago to over $ 130,000 to entice qualified people with actual managment skills and experiance heading large orginizations.

Now look what we got:

Carty : Occupation unknown
Ford: social worker
Ludeman: Real estate agent
Wilkowsi : Attorney


None of them had ANY prior experiance even close to running a $400,000,000 corporation with over 2500 employees and 300,000 customers.

Both Carty and Ford run the place like it is a corner drug store. Neither take good council from anyone. They "know what they are doing".

It is good to know we have all the talented qualified leaders we were promised in 1993. Thanks voters of 1993.

posted by ttsp4827 at 04:42 P.M. EST on Thu Sep 01, 2005     #



It's not about the money. Bloomberg in NYC has billions but he left his job to work for a public servant's salary.

No business leader is going to get elected in Toledo, that's one fact.

The union workers in Toledo see a world in which the unions are collapsing, right to work states are growing, manufacturing jobs are going to China, etc. What they want more than anything else is some low IQ moron to feed them anti-business rhetoric that reassures their world view.

Also, the black people want to hear some bash whitey talk. That can be the icing on the cake.

posted by paddington at 05:08 P.M. EST on Thu Sep 01, 2005     #



Now, let's play fair. I may not agree with any or all of the mayoral candidates, but they are at least an experienced bunch.

Carty: salesman, teacher, football coach, council rep, talk show host, mayor (2 previous terms)
JaFo: social worker, college instructor, non-profit director, council rep, council president, state rep (including minority leader), Promedica liason, mayor (1 term)
Ludeman: real estate, council (12 years), numerous boards and volunteer positions
Wilkowski: Private-practice lawyer, county commissioner, city law director (Toledo and Rossford) plus a short stint as city manager during the transition to "strong" mayor.

All four bring a wide variety of life experiences to the job, albeit not necessarily running major corporations.

(historymike remains doubtful that status as a CEO is necessarily a sign of brilliance. CEOs can be as dense as the rest of us.)

As far as raising the pay, $130K is not going to entice a CEO with experience. They could make that in a bad year just on stock options. Paddington is right about people like Bloomberg, although I think that the right corporate-minded person could get elected mayor in Toledo (Sarantou in 2009??)

I vehemently disagree, though, with the statement "the black people want to hear some bash whitey talk."

Come on. The existence of a few Farrakhan-like racists is no reason to generalize about a entire race of people.

posted by historymike at 06:11 P.M. EST on Thu Sep 01, 2005     #



What's the difference in pay for a city council member and the mayor?
posted by thinkingwoman at 07:06 P.M. EST on Thu Sep 01, 2005     #



Ludeman is only a few % points behind the number two spot with 13% undecided. Making it to November is within reach for Rob.
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That's what I said in either this thread or another one, IF the GOP would just give him money, he could shut worthless Jack out entirely, and at least people would be able to vote in november for someone other than The Smiler or Finky. But-they won't, and he won't. Which is why I agreed with you that he's, once again, a token candidate for the GOP, all but nonexistent other than a few high-profile positions & judges.

posted by Foolkiller at 07:08 P.M. EST on Thu Sep 01, 2005     #



Agreed. Lucas County Republicans this year will have as much luck soliciting campaign contributions as Michael Jackson would for orphans to tour Neverland.
posted by historymike at 08:01 P.M. EST on Thu Sep 01, 2005     #



historymike,
This statement:

"Lucas County Republicans this year will have as much luck soliciting campaign contributions as Michael Jackson would for orphans to tour Neverland."

is COLD man.


Accurate on both subjects, but COLD none the less...

:-)

posted by Hooda_Thunkit at 08:45 P.M. EST on Thu Sep 01, 2005     #



historymike stated: "Come on. The existence of a few Farrakhan-like racists is no reason to generalize about a entire race of people. "

I believed and felt the same way until I listend to an entire webcasted lecture of his from the Final Call website (http://www.finalcall.com). The media bites DO NOT serve him justice. This man speaks truth!

I understand that making the aforementioned statements may open up some verbal attacks, but I have never been the type of person to keep quiet for unpopularity's sake. Lady Phoenix

posted by MrsPhoenix at 06:17 A.M. EST on Fri Sep 02, 2005     #



Wilkowski commercial

"The TV spot opens with a smiling Mr. Wilkowski introducing himself. It switches quickly to what appears to be a vacant warehouse with the words "12,600 lost jobs" superimposed over it. It cuts again to flash the figure "17,467 lost residents" over a shabby-looking house. Then it shows black-and-white photos of Mr. Ford and Mr. Finkbeiner, who was mayor from 1994 to 2002. "After 12 years with Finkbeiner and Ford," Mr. Wilkowski says in a voice-over, "we're still not ready for tomorrow's jobs. We need new leadership." "


Campaign money

"The Toledo mayoral primary campaign enters its last full week with Mayor Jack Ford in the lead in at least one category - the heft of his campaign war chest. Mr. Ford, the incumbent, far outpaces his opponents with $257,645 cash on hand as of Aug. 24."

"Keith Wilkowski's report showed total contributions during the period of $77,400, in addition to $40,000 that he loaned himself and $22,500 that his sister loaned him. He began the period with $33,050, spent $70,826, and ended with $102,123 cash on hand."

"Carty Finkbeiner collected $97,372 during the period and spent $65,462. He began the reporting period with $4,770 and entered the final stretch with $36,680 cash on hand."

"Trailing the field among the leading candidates was Republican Rob Ludeman, who collected $7,431, an amount more typical of candidates running for Toledo City Council than a frontrunning mayoral candidate. He started the reporting period with $2,019, spent $7,345, and entered the final stretch of the primary campaign with $2,104 cash on hand."



Cowardly Ludeman's lame-ass excuse

"[Ludeman] told a live television debate audience this week that, in retrospect, maybe he shouldn’t have run at all. Asked why a recent poll shows him trailing a Democrat, former mayor Carty Finkbeiner, among Republican voters, city Councilman Rob Ludeman blamed the highly publicized troubles of former Lucas County GOP chairman Tom Noe and Gov. Bob Taft. He said if someone could have warned him they’d dominate the news this summer, “I probably would have rethought my decision” to run."

Why would anyone waste a vote on Ludeman? Vote for Opal instead of Ludeman. Opal's got more passion and interest in Toledo than Rob does.

posted by jr at 11:55 P.M. EST on Fri Sep 02, 2005     #



Opal may come in ahead of the token republican at this rate. ;)
posted by Foolkiller at 02:54 A.M. EST on Sat Sep 03, 2005     #



I believe that the election will ride on the primairy , If it is Carty and Jack , Carty will take the marbles. If it is Carty and Wilkowski , I think Keith will take it in the end. If it is Carty and Keith that leaves Jack with 4 months of unacountable time (Lame Duck), to do whatever he wants with no conseqences.....some jam we are in .... Better get out the vote for the primairy because that is where the real race is.
posted by ttsp4827 at 11:16 P.M. EST on Sat Sep 03, 2005     #



Great photos in today's paper...a photographer with a sense of humor...Jack Ford at the Polish Festival sitting on a bench in front of 2 Wilkowski signs...

love it!

posted by intrepid at 08:14 A.M. EST on Sun Sep 04, 2005     #



I had to laugh the other day when I read a Jack Ford campaign add. They actually had the gall to brag about streets being repaved.

YEAH, a couple of months before the primary we finally see some repaving done. The streets of Toledo are in the worst shape I've seen in my 48 years.

posted by JeepMaker at 10:01 A.M. EST on Sun Sep 04, 2005     #



Sep 4 Blade article about voter turnout.

"As few as 16 percent and as many as nearly 40 percent of registered voters have cast ballots in primary elections since 1993, when Toledoans first elected a strong mayor. “The real question in a Toledo primary election is always who’s going to vote,” said Jim Ruvolo, a longtime political consultant who is advising Mr. Ford. In this primary, he added, “I don’t see a lot of people saying, this is an important election to vote in.” "

"Mr. Ford appears to boast the best-manned and most sophisticated field operation of any mayoral candidate, built over three decades of campaigning for public office. He has hundreds of volunteers, his campaign manager says, who have worked since June to sift Mr. Ford’s supporters from voter rolls so campaign workers can target them with the get-out-the-vote messages starting Friday."

"Mr. Ford also has the most money to spend, a secret system for identifying the likeliest of voters through elections data, and a geographically identifiable base of support in the central city that makes Election Day “knock-and-drag” tactics — find voters at home, bring them to the polls — easier to employ."

posted by jr at 10:57 A.M. EST on Sun Sep 04, 2005     #



If you sit quietly, very still, and just listen, you can hear the faint calliope music and the banter of the vendors slowly getting louder.

Peanuts, get your fresh hot peanutz.
Chips, Chips here..
Pizza, get yer pizza...
Beer, we got beer here....
Popcorn, get yer popcorn!

There it is, Calliope Music, Popcorn, and Beer. Now I'm ready for the elections...

I avoided mentioning the nuts in deference to the candidates... :-)

posted by Hooda_Thunkit at 01:49 P.M. EST on Sun Sep 04, 2005     #



built over three decades of campaigning for public office. -jr
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And doing absolutely nothing for three decades once he attained them.

posted by Foolkiller at 03:06 P.M. EST on Sun Sep 04, 2005     #



Aaaaaaaaaa HA ! We COULD have a candidate for mayor ! I understand that the Mayor of New Oleans is looking for a job = SOMEBODY GRAB HIM - QUICK !
posted by toledoan at 01:13 A.M. EST on Mon Sep 05, 2005     #



Wonder how long it will be before Ford goes into his 'homey from the hood' mode?
posted by Foolkiller at 07:28 P.M. EST on Mon Sep 05, 2005     #



"Gangs of Toledo"

We've heard about the "Carty and the Kest Gang," but Toledo also has the "Ford Mob."

Toledo's rep for being one of the most unionized cities in the nation was on display at the Labor Day parade as the gangs battled for the throne of the city. "Being looking good, Warriors."

"There was a battle of candidates yesterday at Toledo’s Labor Day parade. An exchange between supporters of Mayor Jack Ford and candidate Carty Finkbeiner took the spotlight momentarily during the several-hours-long parade."

"First, Mr. Ford’s wife, Cynthia, jumped out of the parade line when she observed Mr. Finkbeiner on the sidelines. The smiling Mrs. Ford stood next to Mr. Finkbeiner while she extended a sign for her husband."

"Then Mr. Finkbeiner and his supporters walked in front of members of the United Auto Workers who were marching with and carrying signs for Mr. Ford. When the Finkbeiner group reached the other side in front of a viewing table for politicians, words were exchanged between supporters on both sides."

"Some of Mr. Ford’s supporters and a campaign manager blasted Mr. Finkbeiner for the move, saying it took away from the main focus of the day: Respecting Toledo’s unions and their history."

"Mr. Finkbeiner, though, said he and his supporters didn’t calculate the timing of their crossing. He said he simply needed to get to the other side of the road to where he was supposed to be standing."


Yeah, buddy.

Blade photo:



Man, I didn't realize the several-hours-long Labor Day parade could be so entertaining. If it's several-hours-long, it better offer something to remember.

I would have held up a sign that read:

"Toledo ranked 195th out 200 in Economic Development"

or

"-11% loss of high-paying jobs in Lucas County. Only major urban county in Ohio to lose these jobs."

or

"Toledo has lost 24,000 residents since 1990."

Those sign suggestions contain too many words for the sound-byte audience to digest. Phrases like "Carty Gets Results" and "Re-elect Mayor Ford" are easier on the brain.

posted by jr at 07:43 A.M. EST on Tue Sep 06, 2005     #



Aug 29 WUPW story:

"Democratic candidate for Toledo mayor, Carty Finkbeiner is now backed by local organized labor. Labor unions gathered at the Teamsters Local 20 hall in South Toledo to pledge their support for the former mayor."

"Other unions in support of Finkbeiner: Northwest Ohio Building and Trades, Painters Local 7, Roofers Local 134, Sheet Metal Workers Local 33, Insulators Local 45, Bricklayers Local 3, Cement Masons Local 886, Glaziers Local 948, the International Longshoreman’s Association, Elevator Contractors Local 44, AFSCME Local 544, AFSCME Local 7, and the Service Employees International Union."



Conflicting stats about unions. Szollosi points to an article that states:

"... recent polling suggests 53% of American workers would join a union tomorrow if the opportunity presented itself."

But a recent Zogby poll says:

"Barely one in three non-union workers would consider voting to unionize their workplace, while a 56 percent majority would not. Of the 35 percent of respondents who said they would consider voting for a union, only 16 percent said they would definitely vote to unionize. The responses held for all age groups under 65 but were most noticeable among workers age 30-49, where 60 percent said they would oppose unionizing. Opposition to unionizing holds in every region of the country, according to the poll."

posted by jr at 08:57 A.M. EST on Tue Sep 06, 2005     #



That's funny...everybody I know that's still working has told me they wish they had a union job (anywhere but Jeep).
posted by Foolkiller at 11:45 A.M. EST on Tue Sep 06, 2005     #



The Ch 13 debate Tuesday was a spectacle, and I mean that in a shameful way. What a waste. I understand the democratic process and the need to be inclusionary, blah blah blah. And I know it's only politics for which most people don't give a damn about, but a week before the primary should be a time to be serious. The ones you'd expect to take the debate serious of course did, and then there were the others.

Ch 13's debate Tuesday was the kind of debate that should have been done at the beginning of the debate cycle and not at the end. Ch 11's debate last week was much better. I like how in the first half or so of Ch 11's debate the four candidates each had to answer the same questions.

In Ch 13's debate, Ludeman once again showed himself to be two-faced and untrustworthy. Ludeman may not only be the most irritating person of the mayoral candidates, but he'd get my vote for the most irritating local politician.

He didn't appear at Toledo's Labor Day parade because he was spending time with his family, and he explained at the debate that family time was important. A couple of weeks ago, Ludeman ripped Carty for choosing a long-planned family engagement over the WGTE debate. Ludeman tried to back up his attack against Carty a couple weeks ago by saying he spent his wedding anniversary at a fundraiser or some kind of political campaign event, so what's Carty's problem?

In other words, according to August Ludeman, politics should have come before family. But a September Ludeman says family comes first before politics. First of all, Ludeman would have had more people contact at the parade than at the WGTE debate. And second, ..., ah forget it. He's not worth commenting on anymore. Well, one more comment.

In the future, if a local Republican operative comes up to me asking for my support for local Republican candidates, I'll kick him or her in the groin until I get an explanation for Ludeman. Local Republican foot soldiers better armor up.

Ludeman's lame-ass excuse last week about Noe affecting Ludeman's poll numbers shows Rob has no backbone to be a leader. He has a defeatist attitude. He takes no responsibility. He doesn't apper to work very hard. The position for mayor is really between three candidates not four, and it doesn't include Ludeman.

Rober de Boer asked Rob about his commitment to the mayor's race, and she mentioned that an hour before Tuesday night's debate, Rob's website was MIA.

This is what the homepage for Ludeman's site says:



A View -> Source on the homepage reveals a comment that says:

"If you are the owner of this site, please contact us at 1-480-624-2515 at your earliest convenience."

If Rob is the best local Republicans can do, then Republicans have no foundation to complain about one-party rule around here for a long time. The bum could finish third in the primary. Third! That's a clear indication of how screwed up Toledo politics really is.

posted by jr at 08:15 P.M. EST on Tue Sep 06, 2005     #



I'm telling you all here & now-If I bother to vote at all for a mayoral candidate, it will be for one of the lesser ones that don't have a chance. At least they're sincere.
posted by Foolkiller at 08:58 P.M. EST on Tue Sep 06, 2005     #



They say that a sign of insanity is to continue to do the same thing over and over again and expect different results. If you want differnt results you have to do something different. Carty and Jack have had thier chance , Rob doesn't seem to "want" it. I say give Keith a turn , at least there is a CHANCE for a new outcome.
posted by ttsp4827 at 09:42 P.M. EST on Tue Sep 06, 2005     #



Agreed ttsp7827.

Jack Ford's quiet leadership has just about ground this city to a halt (hence the extreme negotiations to get the county to finance his projects).

Carty took way too much mental energy last time. Plus he did have control of the city during very good economic times. If he did leave the city in a huge deficit -- well, that's scary.

Rob Ludeman does not want it. I have lost all respect for him. If you are going to run then RUN.

Keith Wilkowski said something at the first debate I have said practically verbatim in this blog: Government doesn't create jobs; private business creates jobs. Right now I have to look at him which does not make me happy.

posted by thinkingwoman at 07:33 A.M. EST on Wed Sep 07, 2005     #



This last debate was absolutely pitiful. I don't know who is responsible for the format, but they should definitely re-think the entire thing before they attempt to put an event like that together again.

Opal - claims she is a prophetess of God and that's ok if that's what she believes. But her comments about the devastation bound for Toledo if she is not elected qualifies her for the first place ribbon for lunacy. Her comments about the disaster in the south were uncalled for and inappropriate.

Gozdowski - well.....he's in line for the second place ribbon. His theatrical antics were in poor taste and should have earned him a muted microphone. I understand free speech and all, but that was ridiculous.

Okonski - makes me worried that the US Navy would give that man a gun. He's flat - no affect - and truly not ready for ANY political office. Lots of growing up to do, no matter his chronological age.

Ludeman - a nice guy, but feeling more and more that he will never be mayoral material. Makes one feel sad to see that he was thrown into the fray to be a lame buffer between Jack and Carty.

Wilkowski - don't trust him. There's something about his entire being that makes my skin crawl. He has some valid ideas (and hopes) but I am not convinced that he has the initiative to pull them off. His entire demeanor is one of addressing a jury hoping to convince us all that we should let the fox into the hen house.

Carty - he may have had his faults, and probably still does as do we all, but my instincts tell me that his sincerity and intent is genuine. I believe that his 4 years out of office has let him stand back and take a look at the consequences of what did take place in his administration.

Jack - his comments in regard to putting people off by his size, demeanor, etc. showed me that he knows he is aloof and has no real intent to change that. As far as holding more press conferences....maybe he has, but they are purely brief statements with little or no opportunity for the media/public to ask questions. He walks in, makes his mumbled comment and leaves. That way he doesn't have to explain himself to anyone.

When choosing from the menu offered, I believe I will be making a vote for Carty. And I know that for some of you that's not a popular vote, but that's why we have the system we have.

The primary will be interesting, but the general election will be even more so.

posted by DoknowDocare at 07:48 A.M. EST on Wed Sep 07, 2005     #



When I hear Carty and Keith speak, I immediately think higher taxes are coming to Toledoans.

Ford said he inherited a $14 million deficit. Doesn't Ford get some points for managing and balancing a smaller budget today than when he started? How many cities lower their budget over a three or four year period? Doesn't fiscal responsibility count for something?

Isn't it true that Ford inherited a "tough" economy?

Along with managing a smaller budget, doesn't Ford get some points for never having to layoff people in the police and fire departments like other cities in the region have had to do?

Do you believe Ford's claim that Toledo will have a surplus at the end of 2005?

Ford said a new police class is planned for 2006 that will cover retirements, and, I think, add to the police force numbers. Increasing the police force is a top priority for some of the candidates, but it does take money to do that.

Do you believe Ford's claim that Carty left some hidden loans that Toledo is still paying money on at a cost of $1 million per year?

Toledo's unemployment and poverty numbers have dropped in the past year. Does Ford get credit for that?

If I correctly understand the 1998-2003 study that showed a -11% drop in high-paying jobs in Lucas County, four of the five years of data used in that study occurred on Carty's and Ludeman's watch. Even though it's a county study, let's face it, Toledo drove the numbers.

Contrary to what most believe, the Marina District project has been progressing over the past year or two with remediation of the badlands. And now, what appears to be a solid developer, Pizzuti, is onboard to begin the above-ground development.

Does Ford get credit for the health care program he's implemented that provides coverage for thousands of people who didn't have it before?

Just a few thoughts to consider when we continue to hear the irrelevant talk by opponents about Ford being a quiet person. What's wrong with being quiet? So Jack Ford is a cerebral person. So what?

posted by jr at 08:43 A.M. EST on Wed Sep 07, 2005     #



Last week's TFP interview with Keith Wilkowski.

This week's interview with Jack Ford.

The previous TFP interviews:

Opal Covey

Carty Finkbeiner

Don Gozdowski

Rob Ludeman

Martin Okonski

posted by jr at 09:15 A.M. EST on Wed Sep 07, 2005     #



Just a few thoughts to consider when we continue to hear the irrelevant talk by opponents about Ford being a quiet person. What's wrong with being quiet? So Jack Ford is a cerebral person. So what?

I don't care if someone is quiet. Perky and chirpy doesn't automatically equate to good. Cerebral doesn't automatically equate to good either.

Ford said he inherited a $14 million deficit. Doesn't Ford get some points for managing and balancing a smaller budget today than when he started? How many cities lower their budget over a three or four year period? Doesn't fiscal responsibility count for something?

I want to see what was included in the $14 million deficit. I am uninterested in what people say;I like to see things in print. If someone can provide that I will consider that very favorably.

Do you believe Ford's claim that Carty left some hidden loans that Toledo is still paying money on at a cost of $1 million per year?

Do you really believe Ford wouldn't have trotted those out by now if this were true? Once again, show me.

Toledo's unemployment and poverty numbers have dropped in the past year. Does Ford get credit for that?

I believe Toledo is 195/200 in job growth. Most of the jobs that were created are at or below poverty level wages warmly referred to as service jobs.

Does Ford get credit for the health care program he's implemented that provides coverage for thousands of people who didn't have it before?

CareNet? An obviously great program that has become more and more necessary as jobs and wages are lost. If Ford was as successful as claimed in reducing unemployment and poverty CareNet wouldn't be as busy as it is.

posted by thinkingwoman at 11:23 A.M. EST on Wed Sep 07, 2005     #



"Do you really believe Ford wouldn't have trotted those out by now if this were true? Once again, show me."

In Mayor Jack Ford's opening remarks from last week's Ch 11 debate, Ford said:

"When I became mayor, I faced a huge deficit. In addition to the deficit, there were some loans that came to my attention afterwards that we continue to pay for. But we managed through that. And we have had a balanced budget. And we are expecting to have a surplus at the end of the year."

I thought Ford mentioned the $1 million per year figure for these leftover loans in another debate, or in some gathering, or in a news article, or in a commercial, but I don't know where.

posted by jr at 01:12 P.M. EST on Wed Sep 07, 2005     #



In jr's text the word CEREBRAL refers merely to being a planner as opposed to having knee-jerk reflexes to stimuli.

Jr - are you pleased with the outcome of JFo's planning since he took over the office? Do you feel Toledo's a richer community for having him at the helm?

posted by jimavolt at 06:06 P.M. EST on Wed Sep 07, 2005     #



Wilkowski - don't trust him. There's something about his entire being that makes my skin crawl.
----------------------------------------

Pretty much sums it up for me too.

posted by Foolkiller at 07:12 P.M. EST on Wed Sep 07, 2005     #



Wilkowski is a lawyer,(shark,snake,ambulance chaser,etc.) they all make my skin crawl!!!
Lets face it folks, there is NO viable candidate for mayor of Toledo........PERIOD !

posted by toledoan at 08:25 P.M. EST on Wed Sep 07, 2005     #



Before we get to teary eyed about Carty just remember....... I knew someone who worked very closely with him his last term. He has a very violent temper, I am not just talking throwing chairs and phones but people, against walls. This is the guy you want as Mayor? Why does not someone ask how much tax payer money was spent paying for personnel attack suits were a gag order was part of the settlment.
Oh .... this is probably attorney client privilaged.

posted by ttsp4827 at 08:46 P.M. EST on Wed Sep 07, 2005     #



Thanks for keeping me informed on the mayoral race. Last week I was in Arizona and this week I am in Hawaii. The "greatest newspaper" doesn't do much on the nitty-gritty of what is really going on. Thanks again for the info.
ooooops - gotta go to the luau now.

posted by RolandHansen at 09:42 P.M. EST on Wed Sep 07, 2005     #



"Jr - are you pleased with the outcome of JFo's planning since he took over the office? Do you feel Toledo's a richer community for having him at the helm?"

I'll answer those questions in the voting booth next week.

posted by jr at 06:50 A.M. EST on Thu Sep 08, 2005     #



Sep 8 Blade op-ed about their co-sponsored "debate" Tuesday night.

"The argument for inclusiveness was largely undercut, however, when one of the three so-called "minor" candidates described herself as a "prophetess of God" and warned that the almighty would rain down Hurricane Katrina-like destruction on Toledo if she isn't elected. And another candidate donned a pair of glasses with a fake nose and mustache for his closing statement and warbled "I've gotta be me." To his credit, the third minor candidate had little to say - and he said it very well."

"The point is not to make fun of those candidates - they did that all by themselves - but to note that the best of intentions sometimes detracts from the serious goal of a political debate: to acquaint the citizens of Toledo with the people running for mayor."

"Those who tuned in Tuesday night were shortchanged by an hour-long question-and-answer session diluted by bizarre foolishness. Many important questions that should have been answered by the Big Four ended up directed instead toward the Little Three, who might as well have been responding from another planet."

"As much as we are sensitive to the charge that failing to include all the candidates in a debate amounts to undemocratic elitism, the process through which we choose our city's chief executive is too important to be turned into a charade. Of course, when Toledo is wiped off the face of the earth by a natural disaster, we won't be able to say we weren't warned."

posted by jr at 01:17 P.M. EST on Thu Sep 08, 2005     #



It's probably safe to say that Southwyck has been "dying" for at least two years. I'm sure some will believe it's much longer, but the point is, how many public meetings with city officials have been held at Southwyck over the past two or three years? The past 10 years? Any?

So it's just a bizarre coincidence that a meeting open to the public, featuring the proposed developer of a new Southwyck is held five days before the primary election and is attended by Jack Ford, Frank Szollosi, and Rob Ludeman.

A Thursday evening WSPD story:

"The future of Southwyck Mall was discussed during a meeting there. Local developer Larry Dillin has a plan to convert it into an open air shopping center, with the possibility of building housing and office space. No deal has been finalized with the mall's owner."

Here we go again. Nothing's changed since the July 26 so-called news except this "news" is coming five days before the primary.

More from the WSPD story:

"Rob Ludeman, a mayoral candidate, was there with Mayor Jack Ford and says finding private investors to redevelopment the mall area is a better option than having it deteriorate further, but former Mayor Carty Finkbeiner, also a candidate for mayor, says Southwyck's past can be its future, if more pressure is put on the mall owner to find new retailers to move in."

"Mayor Ford says Finkbeiner is to blame for Southwyck's decline, because he brokered the city land deal for the proposed mall that was never built in the Fallen Timbers area that froze investment and turned off some retailers to Southwyck."

"Another Mayors candidate Keith Wilkowski called a news conference in the mall parking lot where he said he has no problem with developer Dillin, but he does have a problem with Mayor Ford's inability to close a deal."


Opal is looking better and better.


Probably not a fair comparison, but I can't help it. Which project had more help from the local government:

The Erie Street Market or
the new Wesfield Mall expansion?


Sep 7 Blade story about Carty:

"[Carty] then lists five things he’d tackle as mayor: a sports arena, Southwyck mall, Westgate, the Marina District, and Erie Street Market."

What the hell? Westgate? Why does Carty think Westgate needs "tackled?" The owners of Westgate haven't completed their study to see if they will need to look to the city for any assistance, but I have the feeling that the Westgate owners have things under control and won't need their entity "tackled" by a mayor.

The Erie Street Market needs tackled in 2005 or 2006? The ESM was started under Carty at least five years ago. If it still needs tackled today, then maybe it's time to pull the sheet over it and move on to something else.

The sports arena? That better be done with private funding. Even Carty believes that, so why would a mayor need to tackle it?

Getting the government too involved with these types of projects is a crapshoot. You either get The Docks or the Erie Street Market. Carty likes to point to The Docks as a major accomplishment. I assume that was a Toledo government led initiative.

posted by jr at 06:38 P.M. EST on Thu Sep 08, 2005     #



Oh GOSH and GEE-WHIZ, Skippy has been sworn in!
He's pledged to "clean house" of the peons that worked in the office under the Kest administration. I for one will always remember him for ruining businesses in Toledo as the auther of Toledo's smoking ban that sent Toledoans and other customers to businesses in the burbs.
I expect he'll now move mountains to drive businesses out of Lucas County too. But, he -IS- the democratic party's favorite little puppy, and they don't care if he isn't "house broken."

posted by toledoan at 10:54 P.M. EST on Thu Sep 08, 2005     #



I repeat things I've said before regarding Wade The Wonder Boy.

1) He's (along with Frank So-Lousy) the most arrogant young elitist know-it-all punk bas&%*d to ever hit toledo politics.

2)He knows absolutely nothing about managing the entire county's money. Don't believe he even has a degree in Economics. Why in the name of God would toledoans elect this punk kid to such a job?

3). Due to the fact he's: A). A dem in Lucas County B). Polish. 3). the party's darling.

He's in for life.

posted by Foolkiller at 12:54 A.M. EST on Fri Sep 09, 2005     #



Wade is a very unstable individual. He will create some serious issues in the Treasurers office. I heard someone say that the only reason Wade was on council was to establish a 'political presence' and that his goal was, and always has been, Treasurer.

The statement made perfect sense since he was pretty much invisible in his district. A couple times Gerken 'filled in' for him at local meetings/forums because Wade had other commitments. (ie - kissing babies in Monclova, following Jack around, etc.)

Kest was bad - but I'm not sure we have a more stable personality in there now. Sad - so sad.

posted by DoknowDocare at 07:08 A.M. EST on Fri Sep 09, 2005     #



DoknowDocare wrote:

"Wade is a very unstable individual. He will create some serious issues in the Treasurers office."

Soooo, Carty will have some company when he goes off of the deep end (again)...

:-)

posted by Hooda_Thunkit at 09:37 A.M. EST on Fri Sep 09, 2005     #



Kest was bad - but I'm not sure we have a more stable personality in there now. Sad - so sad.
posted by DoknowDocare at 08:08 A.M. EST on Fri Sep 09, 2005 #
-----------------------------------------

Yeah, you're right-but-with one important exception. You never SAW OR HEARD Kest, so he was FAR easier to put up with (until he came out of seclusion to run for mayor, and the Puppet Master killed him politically, paving the way for their choices, Weasel Wade & Smilin' Jack). This punk will be on/in the news constantly mouthing off, because he can't keep his mouth shut and thinks he's so important, everyone cares about what he has to say as much as he does. And don't delude yourself for one instant into thinking he's going to be any different than Kest was, as far as honesty/integrity. My belief is, he's going to be far worse.

posted by Foolkiller at 10:06 A.M. EST on Fri Sep 09, 2005     #



This place is so cynical and off-base most of the time. People make outlandish statements about other people's mental states as if they are their ethically-challenged psychologist.

Anyway, here are my predictions for Tuesday:

Finkbeiner 36%
Wilkowski 26%
Ford 23%
Ludeman 15%

posted by frenziedhurrah at 03:18 P.M. EST on Sun Sep 11, 2005     #



If you don't like our comments, just go to another board. Just a suggestion. The primary results-It will be:

Finkey
The Mumbler
Polish Prince
Ludeman

In that order. I don't screw with percentages. That's like the points on a mafia football ticket.

posted by Foolkiller at 04:40 P.M. EST on Sun Sep 11, 2005     #



Sep 11 Blade article about the mayoral candidates.

"Business leaders, politicians, and economic development experts disagree on how much any of them could actually do to electrify the city’s economy. Some said the Toledo mayor has few tools to generate business directly. The city doesn’t own most of the areas targeted for redevelopment and can’t afford to buy them. It has a limited budget for financial incentives."

"A mayor can streamline regulations and push city officials to respond quickly to business. He or she can forge relationships with employers, connect owners of struggling properties to developers who could refresh them, strategically spend limited city financial incentives, and build a top-quality infrastructure that includes water, sewers, and roads."

"In short: maintain a city where people want to live and work."

"Several development experts said the best mayors are outspoken advocates for their city. Mayors such as Richard Daley in Chicago and George Voinovich, a former mayor of Cleveland who is now a U.S. senator, lured development by promoting pro-business policies."

"Development pros said mayors can hurt business by doing too much. Spending on too many projects, or simply the wrong ones, can saddle a city with debt."

"Sometimes, developers said, the best thing a mayor can do is stay out of business’ way."

posted by jr at 09:10 P.M. EST on Sun Sep 11, 2005     #



Sep 10 AP story:

"During his eight years, [Carty] led a successful campaign to keep Jeep's assembly plant in the state's fourth-largest city and secured a deal to keep the headquarters of building supplies manufacturer Owens Corning. But just as memorable were the gaffes and outbursts."

"- He pondered in 1994 whether to ask deaf people to move near the airport, later apologizing."

"- He received a bar of soap from consumer activist Ralph Nader after a profanity-laced exchange."

"- He asked residents to boycott a pizza chain because he said it didn't support Toledo. Stores responded by offering "Crazy Carty Bread." "

"Finkbeiner hasn't slowed down either, not even after heart bypass surgery last year. He wears out volunteers who try to keep up with him while visiting neighborhoods."

"Ford, an imposing figure who played football briefly for Woody Hayes at Ohio State, isn't the type to yell or draw attention to himself."

"Wilkowski, an attorney who last won an election in 1988, has one big advantage - a Polish last name in a city where many people trace their roots to Poland."


The AP weighing in with the Polish-card. Yeah, that's working out well for Keith. According to the polls, he's fourth. And what about Gozdowski and Okonski? Aren't those Polish names too?

posted by jr at 09:24 P.M. EST on Sun Sep 11, 2005     #



jr,

Voting for Polish because you're Polish doesn't get it anymore.

Except maybe, in the 4th and 14th wards...

:-)

posted by Hooda_Thunkit at 02:14 P.M. EST on Mon Sep 12, 2005     #



Tomorow is the big day folks= the primary.

Regardless of who's #1., the voting booths will smell like left over flatulence in an empty elevator.

posted by toledoan at 10:57 P.M. EST on Mon Sep 12, 2005     #



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