I think the McCloskey response was rather weak. They should have taken more time with it, I'm also surprised that Bob is letting the City represent him since in the civil case he has the city paying for his own private attorney.
I'm wondering if the "retirement" of Barb Herring has anything to do with trying to get this done before a new Law Director is appointed.
I don't think the case will be dismissed. Especially given the answer. It places too much on the "ripe" issue. If that is thrown out (which it should be) there's not much else of a defense left.
my 3 cents worth...
posted by psyche777 at 07:27 P.M. EST on Thu Dec 22, 2005 #
I'd also toss in that the precedence of "Quo Warranto"? Seems pretty well established.
http://www.constitution.org/uslaw/q-w_cases.htm
(Okay I'm an armchair law case reading geek)
:-)
posted by psyche777 at 07:31 P.M. EST on Thu Dec 22, 2005 #
Yes you are but we need people like you. I will check this out now. :)
posted by daveschulz at 07:35 P.M. EST on Thu Dec 22, 2005 #
psyche777,
"Yes you are but we need people like you."
To THAT I'd like to add my own personal Amen!
You don't get the "Toledo's Most Prolific Blogger" title just by being a nice person, you have to work at it.
;-)
posted by Hooda_Thunkit at 08:00 P.M. EST on Thu Dec 22, 2005 #
what does the law director piece have to do with anything?
posted by downtownj at 08:17 P.M. EST on Thu Dec 22, 2005 #
lol HT - I still laugh everytime I think of that moment....
:-)
downtownj, it has to do with this:
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051222/NEWS16/512220352/-1/NEWS
posted by psyche777 at 08:55 P.M. EST on Thu Dec 22, 2005 #
Dave,
My wife and I and two others intend to protest McCloskey and Shultz on 'swearing-in day' January 3rd on the steps of One Government Center. Will you have a contingent there as well?
posted by limedrops911 at 08:53 A.M. EST on Fri Dec 23, 2005 #
Lime,
That's a great idea. Let me think about it. I think regardless, this meeting will be a zoo with the council presidency to be decided. It certainly could provide some more media coverage on the issue. The issue now in Today's Blade is that Bob may be hedging his bets and may not stand to be sworn in and go back to his district seat. We have to watch what the court does next week. I suspect it won't be decided unless Bob makes a move.
We could have a ceremonial burning of the city charter...
Dave
posted by daveschulz at 09:05 A.M. EST on Fri Dec 23, 2005 #
I hope you are kidding about the ceremonial burning.
posted by downtownj at 11:39 A.M. EST on Fri Dec 23, 2005 #
"I hope you are kidding about the ceremonial burning."
I hope he is not. In fact, we ought to burn the actual city charter as it is full of holes.
posted by limedrops911 at 01:05 P.M. EST on Fri Dec 23, 2005 #
daveschulz,
"We could have a ceremonial burning of the city charter..."
Why not...?
IF we can find enough of it to burn, after the way it's been trampled on and shredded by recent and past Councils, not to mention puppet-like Law Directors and their "tailored" responses and opinions...
posted by Hooda_Thunkit at 01:26 P.M. EST on Fri Dec 23, 2005 #
http://www.toledofreepress.com/?id=2038
Bob wants to be council president but he isn't sure if as a district or at-large councilman. This is a circus ladies and gentleman.
Dave
posted by daveschulz at 03:26 P.M. EST on Fri Dec 23, 2005 #
"I got a big mouth"
In his own words and the primary reason why Frank is looking better and better and better as the choice for City Council President.
:-)
posted by psyche777 at 09:10 P.M. EST on Fri Dec 23, 2005 #
I wish George Sarantou would be Council Prez.
"The next president, Mr. Sarantou said, should be an at-large councilman rather than a district councilman who is elected by only one-sixth of the city's voters. He has said the president of council also should be someone with prior council experience and a record of leadership on council, like himself."
posted by jr at 09:51 P.M. EST on Fri Dec 23, 2005 #
I would assume that George can't support Bob with this reasoning. I think saying that a District Councilman can't be president is awful elitist. I hope no Republican would support McCloskey. We have to stand for something!!!
posted by daveschulz at 10:16 P.M. EST on Fri Dec 23, 2005 #
This is a circus ladies and gentleman.
Yes, it is a circus. Ladies and Gentlemen, step right up and see the amazing collection of stooges never before assembled in one place!
I wish that I had artistic talent, because what a wonderful opportunity lies in a cartoon spoof of the characters set to 'lead' the city of Toledo.
posted by limedrops911 at 08:41 A.M. EST on Sat Dec 24, 2005 #
Lime, email me sometime at dspoint at aol dot com. Thanks.
Dave
posted by daveschulz at 09:09 P.M. EST on Sat Dec 24, 2005 #
Dec 30 psyche777 blog posting about Bob Frantz softballing Bob McCloskey when the two Bobs talked on Frantz's radio show yesterday evening.
"I listened with disbelief as all that happened was what could only be described as a public relations event for Bob McCloskey. The lie detector test? Oh gee, sorry guys, his attorney said he couldn't do it. He really wants to, and he meant it at the time. I couldn't believe Bob Frantz bought that as an excuse."
"He allowed Bob McCloskey a public forum when his version of the truth wasn't even challenged. We do know that poor Bob Mc is suffering from alot of stress over the Blade's "constant and constant and constant" negative articles about him. He's claiming that he had the support to win the Council President seat until that mean and nasty Toledo Blade wrote about him."
I also heard the Friday evening radio show, and McCloskey definitely tried his best to garner sympathy for his health and family over the alleged negative Blade reporting.
Let's see, McCloskey blatantly violates the city charter and misrepresents himself by saying "Re-elect" on his campaign signs, among other things, and McCloskey wonders where all the supposed negative reporting came from? His lawyer advised McCloskey to not go through with his own challenge of taking a lie detector test because of a lawsuit. Which lawsuit? McCloskey is involved in more than one lawsuit, right?
I had to leave the house Friday evening, so I taped Frantz's show, since last I checked, WSPD doesn't provide audio downloads of the show for some strange reason. I'll provide quotes from McCloskey.
In the blog posting, psyche777 provides a nice timeline of Blade articles about Bob McCloskey over the past couple months.
psyche777 said: "Now, looking at that how many of these articles were not based on real news? Some of it created by Bob McCloskey's decisions or lack of decisions. You be the judge if this was a purposeful attempt to discredit him or rather what we can expect from any media source."
posted by jr at 01:09 P.M. EST on Sat Dec 31, 2005 #
Thanks Jr, it's nice to know we agree on some issues.
:-)
posted by psyche777 at 02:17 P.M. EST on Sat Dec 31, 2005 #
Great reporting Psyche and JR. I missed the show but thanks to you I got filled in. Bob sure can lay it on and spin like crazy.
Dave
posted by daveschulz at 07:33 P.M. EST on Sat Dec 31, 2005 #
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