I think you're twisting the crap out of Szollosi's words just to ridicule him. You're making a huge national issue personal on a local level.
Unless Toledo Councilmen (and women - sorry Ellen) can suddenly make federal policy about immigration, who cares what Frank thinks about it?
-Dan
posted by photodan at 03:53 P.M. EST on Sat Jan 21, 2006 #
He isn't twisting the crap out of anything. I had the same question and I think Szollosi ought to formulate some kind of answer, although it's pretty late now.
The real problem is that Szollosi doesn't like Hackett much and can't deal with a straight shooter.
posted by madjack at 04:08 P.M. EST on Sat Jan 21, 2006 #
Dan,
I think it is a major issue for us here in Toledo. Several city coucils all over the US have publicly announced that their police will not enforece immigration laws. Szollosi is most definitely in a position to push for a similar stance.
posted by HeyHey at 04:53 P.M. EST on Sat Jan 21, 2006 #
We had a couple of topics here last year about the Mexican ID cards approved by Gerken and Wozniak, both former Toledo City Councilpeople. I don't know if that issue is related to this topic. Toledo already recognized the cards before Lucas County approved them.
"Commissioner Gerken stated that while Lucas County was not an arm of the Mexican government, the need for the card had been shown in this global economy and that he would vote for such a resolution as he had done some three years earlier while on Toledo City Council."
Some believe the cards can be used by illegal immigrants or even terrorists.
"Commissioner Thurber stated that the issue was complicated and that she was concerned with the matter of illegal immigration. She also believed that there was no need for the card."
posted by jr at 05:17 P.M. EST on Sat Jan 21, 2006 #
Gerkin and Wosniak "made" the cards "legal" as Councilpersons, and they "made" them "legal" as commissioners.
Agenda?
Illegal as hell.
Szollozi is part of the "A" team faction that promotes violating the law, obviously.
Is that what Democrats stand for?
posted by BrianInFlorida at 05:35 P.M. EST on Sat Jan 21, 2006 #
Yes, how could we forget the various forms of alternate ID that our commissioners wanted to accept?
posted by Subcomandante_bob at 06:12 P.M. EST on Sat Jan 21, 2006 #
Our commissioners need to look up the REAL ID legislation passed last year. http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060113-5974.html
A couple of things are going to happen here. Companies who hire illegal immigrants will have a harder time concealing them.
The lines at the BMV will stretch on forever.
Posters, gather your documents now!
posted by holland at 06:47 P.M. EST on Sat Jan 21, 2006 #
It's blatant that city council and the county commissioners are abetting illegal immigration by accepting the Mexican ID cards. There is no reason to accept them for identification since legal immigrants will already have identification provided by the Federal government.
PhotoDan, this is a local as well as national issue. There is no reason to make it easy for people here illegally. I believe the local police and hospitals should be required to gather proper identification. If it is determined the person is here illegally, then turn them over to the INS. We do have the right to control who comes to this country.
Hackett may be a straight shooter but he just lost any chance at my vote.
posted by Terrahawk1 at 06:52 P.M. EST on Sat Jan 21, 2006 #
PhotoDan,
I just thought Hacket said that illegal immigration is illegal, how can you moderate this statement? It is either illegal or not, I don't see any gray area.
posted by chrismyers at 07:03 P.M. EST on Sat Jan 21, 2006 #
Ummm Terrahawk, Hackett was quoted as being infavor of illegal immigrants being deported so I don't understand why he would lose your vote given what you wrote.
As to Frank and his stance on illegal immigration, let's be blunt. The reason why the Blade selected just that one part of the whole speech Hackett made that focused on many other issues is we do have a very active Hispanic community, some of which supports amnesty or a guest worker program for illegal immigrants and nothing else. They do not support illegal immigrants being deported.
Most of the local democrats as well side on the amnesty or guest worker programs and do not support the concept of deportation. That's why Hackett has caught heat on this issue not only here locally but on daily kos, and even David Sirota who called Hackett the Democratic Tancredo.
So Chris? Granted Frank is the one who made the statement but he's not in the minority in not supporting the idea of deportation.
I don't agree with deportation as the primary solution either though. My solution would be to prosecute businesses that hire illegal immigrants as well as people who hired them. Since it is very easy to prove citizenship unless the person is presenting forged documents the majority of those who hire know they are hiring illegals. Cut off the source of employment and you cut off the source of the problem.
posted by psyche777 at 07:04 P.M. EST on Sat Jan 21, 2006 #
Sorry, misread what Hackett said, he may have potential.
posted by Terrahawk1 at 07:05 P.M. EST on Sat Jan 21, 2006 #
Pysche777, yep, if you cut off the source, you'll definitely cut down on the people coming in. The government runs yearly checks now on SSN's to try and catch frauds.
I would prefer we have some sort of 5-10 year moratorium on all immigration until we get a good chunk of the illegals out and straighten out the current rules.
posted by Terrahawk1 at 07:08 P.M. EST on Sat Jan 21, 2006 #
I realize there will end up being some sort of an amnesty program, that's pretty much a given. I'd support something like anyone who could prove they had been here for over 10 years if they file for citzenship and complete the process can stay without facing penalty.
But, it would also have to include prosecution and penalty to businesses who hire illegal immigrants to be enforced to really stop the continual influx of new illegal immigrants. If a guest worker program is necessary it should be done after this.
However, congress and the president don't seem to listen to me...
:-)
posted by psyche777 at 07:49 P.M. EST on Sat Jan 21, 2006 #
Had this been the first time they were trying amnesty, I would say okay. However, since we tried it in the 80's and nothing happened, I go for enforcement first and we'll look at amnesty later.
posted by Terrahawk1 at 09:26 P.M. EST on Sat Jan 21, 2006 #
I think it's also odd that Frank used the phrase "moderate his stance." I wonder if Frank thinks his stance of free immigration for all without regard for laws if what mainstream America believes? It seems to me that if Hackett were to "moderate his stance" the way Szollosi wants he would be moving into the fringes of current opinion among the average American.
posted by HeyHey at 10:49 P.M. EST on Sat Jan 21, 2006 #
The real problem is that Szollosi doesn't like Hackett much and can't deal with a straight shooter.
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That's probably closest to the truth, since So-Lousy & the majority of council are all two-faced, lying weasels. I agree wholeheartedly with Psyche-arrest and prosecute every SOB that hires illegal aliens, and the problem would be just about solved.
posted by Foolkiller at 03:24 A.M. EST on Sun Jan 22, 2006 #
Psyche,
I agree with your propositions, you must get to the root of the problem and your solutions do just that. Companies that employ illegal imm. must be dealt with and the boarders must be controlled better. Accepting illegal immigrants does nothing but condone the behavior and the ones here must be dealt with too.
posted by chrismyers at 08:11 A.M. EST on Sun Jan 22, 2006 #
I don't agree with deportation as the primary solution either though. My solution would be to prosecute businesses that hire illegal immigrants as well as people who hired them. Since it is very easy to prove citizenship unless the person is presenting forged documents the majority of those who hire know they are hiring illegals. Cut off the source of employment and you cut off the source of the problem.
Many times an employer my not know if an employee is an illegal immigrant. This is simply because an illegal immigrant commits some identity theft. His employer knows him as Manuel, who is legally allowed to work in the United States. The welfare system knows him as Jose, who has three kids and no income. At what point should we wake up and see we are being taken advantage of?
posted by mike2004 at 11:29 A.M. EST on Sun Jan 22, 2006 #
Something has to give...if ILLEGALLY in this country...what has been the PROTOCOL???
I had always thought...DEPORTED!
The Mexican Illegals are given a WHOLE NEW SET of IMMIGRATION LAWS, they are exhausting SOCIAL SERVICES and DO NOT USE OUR BANKS, sending the dollars earned back to MEXICO and drive our MINIMUM WAGE to the ground!
Frankly, I am tired of the PARTIALITY shown to these illegals...WE HAVE OUR OWN TO TAKE CARE OF!
posted by MARIELORA at 12:05 P.M. EST on Sun Jan 22, 2006 #
Most repuatable employers require some type of verifiable identification which cuts down on identify theft. Taking a few moments to verify information not only cuts down on identity theft but also insures those hired are here legally. So while there are of course those who are more skilled at providing false information, there are also those who don't bother. As long as the laws we currently have are not enforced there is really no motivation for some of these people who do profit from illegal immigration to stop.
posted by psyche777 at 03:13 P.M. EST on Sun Jan 22, 2006 #
The Mexican Illegals are given a WHOLE NEW SET of IMMIGRATION LAWS, they are exhausting SOCIAL SERVICES and DO NOT USE OUR BANKS, sending the dollars earned back to MEXICO and drive our MINIMUM WAGE to the ground!
And yet, if we had a guest worker program that forced them to pay payroll taxes, we'd probably be able to cover the shortfall in Social Security we will face when the boomers retire. Instead of xenophobically shunning Mexican immigrants, why don't we look for ways to integrate them into our society so that both they and current US citizens can benefit? It's not a zero-sum game.
posted by thenick at 04:08 P.M. EST on Sun Jan 22, 2006 #
thenick...excellent idea...I like your thinking!!!
Thanks for your comment!
posted by MARIELORA at 04:13 P.M. EST on Sun Jan 22, 2006 #
I honestly have thought for a LONG time that was the game plan with mexican illegals, since they're favored over everybody else in this country any more. Meaning using them to get the Social Security fund out of trouble, since nobody in either party will ever take any steps to make it super-solvent again. If that money were untouchable, as it should've been from the beginning, there wouldn't be a problem in the first place, of course.
posted by Foolkiller at 05:02 P.M. EST on Sun Jan 22, 2006 #
Marie,
That's not really his original thought (nothing against nick). President Bush has been pushing that idea for the last couple years now. It's not gone anywhere, however.
Something has to be done about illegals. I'm all for immigration into the US, but it must be done legally and within reason. I don't know the numbers exactly, but if you want to find one of the reasons healthcare costs keep soaring look no further than illegal immigrants. The percentage of illegals that actually pay for health care is exceedingly small, and someone has to make those payments....and it ends up it's all of us.
posted by HeyHey at 10:19 P.M. EST on Sun Jan 22, 2006 #
And yet, if we had a guest worker program that forced them to pay payroll taxes, we'd probably be able to cover the shortfall in Social Security we will face when the boomers retire.
A lot of them already pay payroll taxes. That is why the gov't issues tax id numbers that are not SSNs. That is also why Bush, a few years ago, allowed people (I believe non-US citizens) who move back to Mexico to receive their SSN payments. The whole argument is false because the people we are talking about are typically low wage earners from the start and considering the low Hispanic HS graduation rates, that isn't going to change dramatically. All they do is lower the existing wages of current citizens.
nstead of xenophobically shunning Mexican immigrants, why don't we look for ways to integrate them into our society so that both they and current US citizens can benefit?
First throwing out the slur that all who oppose rampant immigration are somehow racist solves nothing. Second, what if I don't want massive legal/illegal immigration? What if I prefer that anyone who comes here learns to speak English? It's not all economics. It's also cultural and the people of this country getting to decide what sort of country they want not the cheap labor businesses or the multicultural elites.
I tell you what, why don't we just implement the Mexican illegal/legal immigrant laws? I mean, if you aren't a citizen and get sick without healthcare, you better hope your body can recover on it's own, because they aren't going to do anything. Or if you are there illegally, expect to spend a lot of jail time in a "nice" Mexican prison.
posted by Terrahawk1 at 07:15 A.M. EST on Mon Jan 23, 2006 #
A lot of them already pay payroll taxes. That is why the gov't issues tax id numbers that are not SSNs.
IIRC, that only deals with employees with current work visas. To my knowledge there is no program to tax illegal workers, although I have heard that those using bogus SSNs to obtain jobs aren't really pursued by the IRS, since they don't usually file for a return despite being eligable for one.
First throwing out the slur that all who oppose rampant immigration are somehow racist solves nothing.
Neither does discriminating against one racial group, then having to apolgize for it at a later date. I'm a White Anglo-Saxon Protestant male, I'm tired of feeling guilty.
Second, what if I don't want massive legal/illegal immigration?
Then move to a country that wasn't founded on immigration and that has draconian restrictions on becoming a citizen. Like France. They seem to have control over their immigrants.
What if I prefer that anyone who comes here learns to speak English?
Then lobby your Congresscritters to have them submit legislation to make English the official language, not just the default language. You can want them to speak English and I can want them to speak Esperanto and we'd both have the same legal footing right now.
I mean, if you aren't a citizen and get sick without healthcare, you better hope your body can recover on it's own, because they aren't going to do anything.
That might fly until an American is refused treatment in a foreign hospital in protest. Not to mention that most doctors aren't that keen to refuse treatment to patients.
posted by thenick at 03:58 P.M. EST on Mon Jan 23, 2006 #
HeyHey, I didn't think the idea of "guest work passes" was -thenick's- brainstorm...it's an idea that needs to be considered! Just as many of us mentioned Social Services exhausted, Wages run to the ground because of the illegals...we could actually USE them to help our Social Security crisis...
Something needs to done...the situation with the Illegal Mexicans is OUT OF CONTROL...the "guest work passes" is WORTH TRYING...what we have to LOSE?
posted by MARIELORA at 05:45 P.M. EST on Mon Jan 23, 2006 #
Here is my question, What part of illegal is so hard to understand? Why don't these hispanic groups put some energy into setting up a program where the folks south of the border who want to come here can get the assistance they need to do it legally? More energy, time and, money is wasted on making excuses why we should just overlook the problem instead of actually doing something to fix it?
posted by sepp at 06:24 A.M. EST on Tue Jan 24, 2006 #
Sepp!
I just read the post from HistoryMike on Szollosi.com and I have to make a comment here.
Yes - the goofy "Frank supports illegal immigration" nonsense at ToledoTalk and, to a lesser extent, on talk radio is idiotic.
Immigrants are being recast for the 2008 election as the bogeymen, much like gays were in 2004.
Frank made a good point - why should someone working here, not causing trouble, but who did not enter legally be considered a felon?
Because that is the law, Mike.
As I have said on other posts, I have endured an eighteen month and six thousand dollar trip through the immigration process. My wife is from a country that is an ALLY in the War on Terrorism. I don't recall Mexico enjoying that title.
With that same mentality Mike displayed on Frank's site, I think I am entitled to my $6,000 back and my wife gets a free pass to be a Lawful Permanent Resident.
There are convicts sitting in cells and there's a resource that could be utilized as well as income for the facility "loaning" prisoners to these tasks illegal immigrants do.
I'm tired of being an American Citizen and watching ELECTED officials pander to a group of people that shouldnn't even be in America. I'm not against the immigrants doing the job, but be LEGAL. This bullshit of aid and comfort to people that don't belong here and the resident homeless families that would do without because the resources were spent.
posted by BrianInFlorida at 06:56 A.M. EST on Tue Jan 24, 2006 #
although I have heard that those using bogus SSNs to obtain jobs aren't really pursued by the IRS, since they don't usually file for a return despite being eligable for one.
They are pursued in some sense because the IRS checks SSNs every year now. Employers have to send in the list of employee SSNs every year. At least larger companies do.
Neither does discriminating against one racial group, then having to apolgize for it at a later date. I'm a White Anglo-Saxon Protestant male, I'm tired of feeling guilty.
I'm not sure what you mean here. How is anything here discriminating against one racial group other than the fact that most illegal immigrants are Hispanic? If we were flooded by French illegals, I would be saying the same thing.
Secondly, stop feeling guilty for things you didn't do. Any group has past actions that are regrettable. The only thing to do is to learn from them. Acting through guilt will only make you make the opposite mistake.
Then move to a country that wasn't founded on immigration and that has draconian restrictions on becoming a citizen.
At some point, a country just can't continue to be flooded by immigrants. Also, I don't remember where we had the national debate on immigration. If I remember correctly, the people in this country have the right to decide what kind of country they want.
Then lobby your Congresscritters to have them submit legislation to make English the official language, not just the default language.
Interesting, one minute we're a nation of immigrants and I should either love it or leave it. The next, I should propose Congress do something. Although, if I started a thread that said English should be the national language, I'm sure you would show up to imply racism again.
That might fly until an American is refused treatment in a foreign hospital in protest.
Hmm, I think we provide medical treatment to Mexican illegals in this country. That hasn't stopped Mexico from not treating our people who are there legally.
BiF, nice catch on the Mike post. Yes, why should people who come here illegally be considered....criminals? The illogic boggles the mind.
And this had been an issue for longer than since 2004. Reagan tried to resolve it with the amnesty and enforcement plan in the mid-80's. Of course, it ended up being all amnesty and little enforcement. Anyways, the boogeyman talk is just a debating tactic to silence debate. The goal is to question the motivations of the opposition instead of having to deal with the topic of the debate.
posted by Terrahawk1 at 07:31 A.M. EST on Tue Jan 24, 2006 #
Did you hear about the dumbass who put 5 locks on his front door but left his back door wide open?
posted by limedrops911 at 08:37 A.M. EST on Tue Jan 24, 2006 #
Secondly, stop feeling guilty for things you didn't do. Any group has past actions that are regrettable. The only thing to do is to learn from them.
I am. That's why I realize that we've discriminated against the Irish, the Italians, the Chinese, and the Eastern Europeans when they've tried to get into this country, yet each of these groups has become integrated into our society and prospered. I can't think of a situation where we've had regret over letting an ethnic group into this country in the past, so why should the Mexicans be any different?
At some point, a country just can't continue to be flooded by immigrants. Also, I don't remember where we had the national debate on immigration. If I remember correctly, the people in this country have the right to decide what kind of country they want.
But our country's population is about to dramatically decline. How are we going to deal with a shrinking workforce, shrinking family size, and a growing economy other than promoting immigration? Automation is only going to take up part of the slack.
Interesting, one minute we're a nation of immigrants and I should either love it or leave it. The next, I should propose Congress do something.
That's because those are two different topics altogether. Congress cannot legislate our society's culture, which is one that is built upon immigration. Congress can decide what the Official language of the United States is.
Although, if I started a thread that said English should be the national language, I'm sure you would show up to imply racism again.
You missed the point. If you to want to force people to speak a certain language, you first have to institute legistation making that language the official language. My point was that there is no legal basis for forcing people to speak English when they move here.
That hasn't stopped Mexico from not treating our people who are there legally.
When?
posted by thenick at 12:32 P.M. EST on Tue Jan 24, 2006 #
That's why I realize that we've discriminated against the Irish, the Italians, the Chinese, and the Eastern Europeans when they've tried to get into this country, yet each of these groups has become integrated into our society and prospered.
The difference is that in the past we culturally demanded that they assimilate into U.S. culture. Today, if someone demands that immigrants learn English and conform to our society, they are labelled a racists and not tolerant of multiculturalism.
I can't think of a situation where we've had regret over letting an ethnic group into this country in the past, so why should the Mexicans be any different?
Because, one the vast number are here illegally. With our other influxes of mass immigration, we had strict controls of who we let into the country. Second, there seems to be a concerted effort by Mexico to aid the influx of these illegals (for example, the pushing of the ID card, pamphlets on how to cross the border, or just plain invade http://dailybulletin.com/news/ci_3404101 ) Third, this mass immigration is driving down wages and creating a class of Helot labor. Finally, there seems to be less of an effort to assimilate by the newer immigrants. Just because something worked in the past, doesn't mean it will work in the future.
But our country's population is about to dramatically decline. How are we going to deal with a shrinking workforce, shrinking family size, and a growing economy other than promoting immigration? Automation is only going to take up part of the slack.
Our birthrate hovers at around the replacement level. The big drop will come as the boomers die off. Ask Japan how they are going to deal with it as they are really facing the situation. People always adapt and will continue to adapt to situations. Importing people isn't the solution, it just maintains the status quo. In some ways a shrinking population might reinvorgorate people. Opportunities expand with a smaller population and innovation becomes important. One of the reasons Rome collapsed was because they began to rely on others to do their work through slave labor. They had at hand some of the inventions that lead to our industrial revolution. Or look at Europe after the Black Death where after a massive decline in population, people who had been serfs, suddenly found themselves with the opportunity to be landowners. Plus a decline in population would have positive environmental effects. The point is that a declining population doesn't spell doom, just a change in thinking.
My point was that there is no legal basis for forcing people to speak English when they move here.
I see your point, yet, language is one of those cultural items that shouldn't need legislating. If you or I were to move to China, I would assume that we would expect to learn the language and adapt to the culture we moved to. Instead, the immigrants of today seem to believe that they can just keep their culture when they come to the U.S, language being just one source of contention. That is why immigration of today is different from that of the past.
When?
Regrettably I can't find the article. Therefore, I will have to concede that point to you.
posted by Terrahawk1 at 08:47 P.M. EST on Tue Jan 24, 2006 #
Here's an article that explains what our border with Mexico looks like today. Here's an excerpt:
Texas law enforcement officers faced off with men dressed as Mexican Army soldiers and apparent drug suspects near the U.S.-Mexican border Tuesday, after three SUVs attempted to flee state authorities, officials said.
Andrea Simmons, an agency spokeswoman in El Paso, told The Associated Press that Texas Department of Public Safety troopers chased three SUVs, believing they were carrying drugs, to the banks of the Rio Grande during Monday's incident.
Men dressed in Mexican military uniforms or camouflage were on the U.S. side of the border in Texas, she said.
It's not the first time this sort of thing has happened. Here are a few other examples:
November 2005
July 2005
December 2003
May 2002
November 2000
I don't know what Michael Chertoff's problem is, but he thinks that the present report is overblown, and that most of the incursions were just mistakes.
Maybe Chertoff should go have a talk with Lyle Robinson of the Tres Bellotas Ranch.
posted by AirTrainer at 11:01 A.M. EST on Wed Jan 25, 2006 #
I missed this gem.
A Mexican government agency is to issue some 70,000 maps marking main roads and water tanks for people wanting to cross illegally into the US.
The map plan is backed by Humane Borders, a US-based organisation which operates about 70 emergency water stations near the 3,200-km (2,000-mile) border.
posted by AirTrainer at 11:14 A.M. EST on Wed Jan 25, 2006 #
AirTrainer--
What did you think of my post above? So that you don't have to go searching for it, here it is:
Did you hear about the dumbass who put 5 locks on his front door but left his back door wide open?
It's a parable, just in case you were wondering.
posted by limedrops911 at 03:41 P.M. EST on Wed Jan 25, 2006 #
LDs, I figure AirTrainer like most intelligent people just ignore your senseless ramblings.
posted by Terrahawk1 at 03:48 P.M. EST on Wed Jan 25, 2006 #
Terrahawk,
Limedrops is indeed a tedious member of ToledoTalk.
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Limedrops,
I thought very little of your 'post'. In case you haven't noticed, ToledoTalk has become very peaceful recently. I am not going to disturb that calm.
I will say this. You and your two known aliases have already been banned from one local blog. To wit:
(cue music)
Ce-le-brate good times, come on!
LimeDrops did exactly what I knew he'd do...he tried hiding behind other aliases to avoid being discovered, while posting the same internet trolling comments as he always does...and got BUSTED!
All posts under the names "Limedrops911" and "Lord Gaul" and "Marcia Jones" came from the same computer...which has now been BANNED from commenting on this site...for good!
Maybe his sponsors at MoveOn.org will send him a new PC so he can try again...but my site moderators will be waiting...
Technology rocks.
Now everybody...
DANCE!!!!!!!
Next time you type something, do everyone a favor...have a point.
posted by AirTrainer at 10:52 P.M. EST on Wed Jan 25, 2006 #
All posts under the names "Limedrops911" and "Lord Gaul" and "Marcia Jones" came from the same computer
I find it interesting, "AirTrainer," that you would be able to pinpoint that exact post on the Frantz Rantz blog, a post from September 1, 2005. I'll have more to say on this later.
First of all, how savvy are you about IP addresses? Did you know, for example, that the entire Toledo-Lucas County Library has the same IP address for each of its computers, no matter what branch, no matter which table? As a result, anybody posting from any library computer will register the same IP address.
In fact, I did post on Frantz's blog from the Sanger Branch library during that time. My computer was down for more than a month and I needed to do my emailing and other on-line activities from there.
'AirTrainer'-
What moniker do you use on the Frantz Rantz blog? Or what moniker did you use on his former blog, the WSPD Message Board? Your 'style' of posting here on Toledo Talk is reminiscent of another poster whose 'style' is very similar to yours.
It is quite obvious from your post above, that you are no novice to the Frantz Rantz blog. How long have you been posting there and what name do you post with? I'm curious to know if my suspicions about you are correct.
You will note, and have, in fact noted, that I chose to use 'limedrops911' on Toledo Talk. If I wanted to hide my identity and fool folks, I would have chosen a different name for Toledo Talk. I was fully aware when I came to Toledo Talk that some of the same poeple who post here also post on Frantz Rantz. Posters like Sepp, billy, Sherry T., Whooda_Thunkit and others post on both blogs. If I were 'ashamed' of what I had posted on Frantz, I would have changed my name here.
I am not ashamed of what I had to say on Frantz's blog. I presented a liberal view of the topics and, for obvious reasons, was not too well received. I was the object of much scorn and name-calling there, as you would suspect. Toledo Talk has a much more tolerant audience than the Frantz club.
So you see, 'AirTrainer,' your post above does not scare me, does not 'expose' me for some scoundrel, as you would hope to have it. Rather, it makes me wonder who YOU are and what YOUR agenda is here on Toledo Talk.
What do you have to say? Do you have any answers to the questions that I asked?
posted by limedrops911 at 09:13 A.M. EST on Thu Jan 26, 2006 #
Finding the Frantz post regarding you was REALLY difficult.
Step one - go to Dogpile.com
Step two - perform a search for "limedrops911"
Step three - look at the search results
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I've never posted to Frantz's site, and I have one screen name for any forum in which I am a participant - AirTrainer.
As to agendas, I have one, and it is to participate in discussions at ToledoTalk. You previously wrote:
AirTrainer--
What did you think of my post above? So that you don't have to go searching for it, here it is:
Did you hear about the dumbass who put 5 locks on his front door but left his back door wide open?
You never got a response out of me because I didn't think much of the post. If you have something to say about illegal immigration or our porous southern border, then type it. What is the point of being coy?
Regardless of your viewpoints, you have a trolling nature about you, and it distracts from the topic under discussion.
Like I said, next time you type something, do everyone a favor - have a point.
posted by AirTrainer at 11:10 A.M. EST on Thu Jan 26, 2006 #
"Did you hear about the dumbass who put 5 locks on his front door but left his back door wide open?"
This sentence fits perfectly with the topif of illegal immigration. Succinct.
The fact is that Bush loves to tell us how well he is 'protecting us,' thus requiring unwarranted phone taps, yet the Texas, New Mexico, and California borders are wide open.
And, about the 'have a point' line, might we expect the same of you? Since your first appearance here in July 2005, you have submitted only 5 topics but have commented on 179. Looks like you love to kibitz rather than have original ideas.
posted by limedrops911 at 05:58 P.M. EST on Thu Jan 26, 2006 #
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