Yeah, I want to buy a fridge and a car and some tv's and dinner out for my extended family on that day...lol
posted by UTStudent at 02:09 P.M. EST on Sat Apr 15, 2006 #
Heck yes post those businesses names!! Then we can boycott them In perpetuum and spend our money on businesses who do things legally. I do think one big way to control the illegal alien disease is to punish those who hire them. (of course a big friggin WALL would help too)
that story is hilarious - "In Mexico, Catholic bishops from border cities are calling on their faithful to support the boycott by not crossing into the United States that day or buying or consuming U.S.-made products or services." I guess Mat 22:21 must translate differently into latin spanish. Tax cheatin' must be Hokay.
BUT - if they dont wanna come over here and not use our products for even one day? I can live with that!
posted by billy at 02:21 P.M. EST on Sat Apr 15, 2006 #
I am totally dumbfounded by this whole "BOYCOTT"...for crying out loud they are ILLEGAL...breaking the LAW...
In reality the "BOYCOTT" is about a group feeling it is allright that they break our IMMIGRATION LAWS...
What kind of message is this to those that entered America LEGALLY...
posted by MARIELORA at 04:05 P.M. EST on Sat Apr 15, 2006 #
You think they'll put a sign on the door telling that they're boycotting America? We'll just have to take note that day of who is closed that isn't normally closed on that day. You bet I'll be sure to take my American hard earned tax paying dollars elsewhere.
Mexico should be making their own way of life. I don't understand how they can allow themselves to be dependent on another country for a good way of life. Start something there and you wont have to go so far.
posted by swantucky at 04:39 P.M. EST on Sat Apr 15, 2006 #
Once such a law is passed, more and more illegals will break the border to enter USA. Then US will be fulled of Mexican in one year.
If they really love US, why don't they come here legally as other immigrations at least?
posted by Carol at 09:56 P.M. EST on Sat Apr 15, 2006 #
I love how I get bashed to hell and back for being a "liberal" on this board.
I also love reading Daily Kos and seeing how "we" "liberals" are supposed to be all for supporting these illegal aliens.
They're illegal. If things are so goddamn bad in Mexico, then they need to get their asses back there and FIX IT. Last I heard it was a goddamn democracy, so they theoretically ought to be able to vote the bums out (as we theoretically are supposed to be able to do here in the USA).
Oh, they're willing to do the jobs Americans won't? Yeah, well, let's deport ALL the illegals. Then we can set all the people who are on welfare or unemployment off to fill in the jobs the illegals had.
It'll just be too bad for the business owners that hired the illegal aliens. Maybe they'll have to learn to do without their fscking luxury cars and crap for a while and pay minimum wage or better. I'm certainly not going to buy this $35 Big Mac" bullshit that various groups are spouting. If the business owners couldn't follow the law in the first place, then fuck'em -- they're crooks and their businesses should fail. If they can't balance a budget or come up with a workable business plan while paying legal workers legal wages, then fuck'em -- they're incompetent and their businesses should fail. And if they're exceptionally greedy that they have to jump prices so they (the business owners/stock holders/executives) can maintain or increase their high standard of living, then fuck'em up the ass with a red-hot poker covered in broken glass and crusted salt.
Bush's guest worker program is welfare: corporate welfare so corporations/businesses don't have to pay American wages for American workers. It's also welfare for Mexico or wherever the illegals may send their money.
Let's assume these guys are also not paying income taxes. They're using the roads, police and fire services, and so on. Sure, they pay sales taxes, but they're freeloading on all the stuff that income taxes pay for. They get sick and go to the ER, the hospital has to treat them, they can't pay, the hospital eats the cost or gets reimbursed from elsewhere... therefore the cost of health care goes up. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Mexico has socialized health care, no?
Any business willfully hiring illegal immigrants should be required to forfeit assets valued at or be fined at a rate equal to minimum wage (or the wage the illegals were paid, whichever is higher) times the total number of hours worked by the illegal immigrants they hired. Split between the local governmental bodies in which the business is located and in which the illegals resided. If John Doe Landscaping pays 3 illegals $7 an hour for 20 hours work for 20 weeks, and John Doe Landscaping and the illegals are all based in Toledo, then Toledo gets $8400 out of John Doe Landscaping. If they can't pony up, Toledo gets some used landscaping equipment to use or sell off.
And for the record, I don't even care if the illegals came here in a cargo container from China, or swam across the lake from Canada. You don't think they'd hesitate to deport an American, do you? I bet if I ran into Canada and started working, they'd be showing me the door.
posted by anonymouscoward at 10:20 P.M. EST on Sat Apr 15, 2006 #
Oh, they're willing to do the jobs Americans won't? Yeah, well, let's deport ALL the illegals. Then we can set all the people who are on welfare or unemployment off to fill in the jobs the illegals had.
Excellent idea -anonymouscoward-!!!
posted by MARIELORA at 10:39 P.M. EST on Sat Apr 15, 2006 #
This whole problem hurts my head. I watch people on the news who have the audacity to say: "Just because we're illegal doesn't mean we're criminal." No? I don't think you understand the words illegal and criminal then. By definition doing one thing makes you the other.
I watch two parties both try to claim the other is weak on immigration with amazement. For once, both parties are right - neither one despite any rhetoric is remotely strong on this problem.
I know of one person who can even make the arguments those in favor of illegal immigration er... illegal aliens er... undocumented workers. That's it, one person. Heck, I know many people who are naturalized citizens who are more anti-illegal immigration than myself or anyone else I know for that matter. In their view, they worked hard (in the case of one, he risked death at the hands of Nazis on D-Day countless times just to become a citizen) to gain citizenship. They don't understand why it should be easy for anyone.
Unfortunately, both of the parties that run our government are being selfish. Both know that if they can capture the hispanic vote, they will never leave office. If either party could get hispanic voters to reliably vote for them (similar to how a majority of blacks vote Democrat now), they would "win." This is the main reason that we will never see realistic border control or immigration standards.
Despite the president's comments, I don't know anyone who is against immigration. I have no problem with people comming to our country and joining us - we are a nation of immigrants. However, I am against illegal immigration. It causes economic problems, drug problems, other criminal problems, and increases the spread of diseases such as TB.
Want to come here and work or live? Great, when you manage to get in, I will welcome you with open arms as a fellow American. But I don't want to see you moving in if literally the first thing you do is break our laws.
posted by taliesin52 at 12:16 A.M. EST on Sun Apr 16, 2006 #
You can't just go to Canada and start working, not without jumping through all the citizenship loops. They do it by a point system, what are you bringing into their country as far as education, etc. I know, I tried to get a crap job in Canada in 1969. Maybe things have changed there since. Most countrys have strict laws about immigrants.
posted by starling02 at 12:38 A.M. EST on Sun Apr 16, 2006 #
"Oh, they're willing to do the jobs Americans won't? Yeah, well, let's deport ALL the illegals. Then we can set all the people who are on welfare or unemployment off to fill in the jobs the illegals had.
Excellent idea -anonymouscoward-!!! "
Ya THINK? It sounds good on paper, but getting the illegals out of the country aint gonna solve THAT problem. This is a whole other issue completely, but we have a TON of people on 'da gubment dole' because they dont WANT to work!
If you dont believe me review the post about the job fair that Austin TX and Fema put on at great expense and exactly ONE person showed up to try and improve their plight.
How many people here play those little tricks - the boyfriend buys a house, his baby momma moves in and then he's the landlord and she's section 8. Welfare gives her foodstamps and he works to pay the cadillac payment...
A number of years ago there was a 'workfare' program,where people could work for the state and in doing so they'd get a bigger welfare check than non workers would. Flopped.
posted by billy at 07:26 A.M. EST on Sun Apr 16, 2006 #
For any of you who missed this:
http://www.toledotalk.com/cgi-bin/comments.pl/16/2271
Also, Please note that the May 1st, boycott is being supported, according to planners, by ALL immigrants, not just latino and not just illegals. I can't even imagine the number of restaurants alone that would have to close if 'supporters' of illegals refuse to work.
If the reason the Toledo welfare office closed during the Floc rally because of a bomb scare, I wonder if they will resort to those tactics when employers threaten to fire their workers for not showing up?
posted by Mraz at 09:57 A.M. EST on Sun Apr 16, 2006 #
Also, Please note that the May 1st, boycott is being supported, according to planners, by ALL immigrants,
This immigrant sure as hell isn't supporting it.
If I can jump through all the hoops, and tolerate the FBI's foot prints up and down my anal tract, so can every other immigrant.
posted by WhiteAfricanAmerican at 08:15 P.M. EST on Mon Apr 17, 2006 #
It's a tough thing to gain US citizenship. Obviously about 19 million people have thought it was worth it in the last 10 years.
I'm thinking we could ship out some really dissatisfied folk and replace them with those that would walk across a continent for the chance of being here :-)
Snicker - just a thought. Any volunteers? I'll buy the tickets....
posted by katie82640 at 11:36 P.M. EST on Mon Apr 17, 2006 #
"Oh, they're willing to do the jobs Americans won't? Yeah, well, let's deport ALL the illegals. Then we can set all the people who are on welfare or unemployment off to fill in the jobs the illegals had".
This is scary, I agree with AC. lol
I mean, what part of "illegal" don't they understand? It burns my @$$ that so many of these people want to come to this country, yet they want so many thing to be like the country they came from, language, etc. If they want things like their country....stay there.
I saw a websight that sold T-shirts that had an American flag, and the words; "Brave men didn't die for you to fly some OTHER flag"
posted by JeepMaker at 02:18 P.M. EST on Tue Apr 18, 2006 #
I sense a bunch of ACLU lawyers drooling over many of these protesters and them getting fired for an unexcused absence from work.
I'm pissed because, as an American Tax-paying Citizen, I went through the wringer with my wife, who so happens to be from a trusted allied country, with fingerprints, optic scans, hours of waiting room time for interview after interview, paperwork and money orders and eighteen months to kill, just to get a Fiancee Visa.
I'm basically stunned that a bunch of illegal immigrants feel that by "protesting" in the streets, the Government will change the rules for them.
Hey FLOC, up yours.
posted by BrianInFlorida at 03:56 P.M. EST on Tue Apr 18, 2006 #
taliesin52 said: I watch people on the news who have the audacity to say: "Just because we're illegal doesn't mean we're criminal."
The April 5th WSJ, Marketplace section has a photo of a woman leaning out of a (school?)bus window, with a hand-lettered sign saying:
"I'm an immigrant ... not a criminal!!!"
I don't know where this stupid meme started, but we need to firmly dismiss it in the national debate. If we illegalize undocumented immigration, then it's ILLEGAL, hence making such immigrants criminals. I certainly won't stand for having them shot or beaten for merely stepping over our border, but they are still not allowed here. The idea of national sovereignty demands that they honor our laws (hence border enforcement).
One thing that I have that an undocumented immigrant CAN'T have is the VOTE. Through the vote and associated representative democracy in this Republic, I CAN illegalize their immigration.
I asked a friend the other day what my citizenship is actually worth. I don't think that he has an actual answer, since he was in favor of not stopping such immigrants. He made the point that once the 'Boomers start retiring in the projected large numbers, that we'd "need" a large labor force to take care of them and to fill their vacancies. But even if that is true, we're still not honoring immigration law, border security, and the overall idea of national sovereignty.
What is my citizenship actually worth?
posted by GuestZero at 09:51 P.M. EST on Tue Apr 18, 2006 #
Anyone know who said this?? A pony to the first one who answers :-)~
""In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile...We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."
posted by katie82640 at 03:35 P.M. EST on Wed Apr 19, 2006 #
Teddy Bear
posted by steiner at 04:33 P.M. EST on Wed Apr 19, 2006 #
You got it. A pony for steiner :-) 1907 ? Shoot - have to go and look again;
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Theodore_Roosevelt#On_Race
Scroll up for the more than that to bring down a bull moose line after he was shot in an assasination attempt. I'd love to have met this guy.
And this is pertinent to our time:
"Probably the greatest harm done by vast wealth is the harm that we of moderate means do ourselves when we let the vices of envy and hatred enter deep into our own natures".
At Providence, RI (23 August 1902)
And parenting:
"I can be President of the United States, or I can control Alice. I cannot possibly do both".
When a friend asked him to control Alice, his daughter
That's funny
posted by katie82640 at 04:41 P.M. EST on Wed Apr 19, 2006 #
"Probably the greatest harm done by vast wealth is the harm that we of moderate means do ourselves when we let the vices of envy and hatred enter deep into our own natures".
That's just chilling. In 1902 he one-sentenced our current predicament here a century later. I'm watching the working class jumping onto quarter-million-dollar homes without even batting an eye. We're spending ourselves poor, just to convince ourselves that the American Dream became some sort of superreality and had made us rich.
posted by GuestZero at 12:23 A.M. EST on Fri Apr 21, 2006 #
I know it GZ. I know it. I guess we aren't inventing any new problems in our time. Sure feels like it tho'
posted by katie82640 at 10:26 A.M. EST on Fri Apr 21, 2006 #
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