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    June 8, 2006

Carty on the edge - Channel 24 had hizzoner on tonight and quizzed him about the "feud" with Fred LeFebvre from WSPD. On Tuesday the mayor called him a outright liar and a negative force in the city at an open public forum. Brian Wilson has banned the mayor from being on any talk show on the station until he apologizes for that and for threatening to call advertisers and ask them to cancel. Remember Little Ceasars from a few years ago? After blasting Fred more than once in public today he claimed "who's Fred LeFebvre, never heard of him" "what WSPD".
He is closer to blowing than Krakatoa

posted by buttonpusher to politics at 8:24 P.M. EST     (46 Comments)


Comments ...


Carty is so busy throwing his temper tantrum that he doesn't realize that Fred, and other concerned Toledoans could actually have innovative and fresh ideas & suggestions for a safer more uninterrupted bike path. Instead he makes comments like "Fred lies". Yet we have not heard what these lies are. You should have seen his behavior at the first meeting and bus tour regarding the talk show. I really think he believes that Fred has caused this animocity towards him on this issue. Um, no Carty, people are mad because you're messin with their hood!

I don't think I've ever seen him so mad at a group of citizens before!

The irony here is that Fred is a biker...

chill out Carty!

I saw that story on 24, all I could think was WTF?????

posted by gotoledogo at 12:20 A.M. EST on Fri Jun 09, 2006     #



From my comment on Wednesday in the bike path topic:

I'm catching a little of Brian Wilson's radio show on WSPD, and he's replaying recorded quotes of Carty spoken at a public meeting [Tuesday] night in South Toledo. A couple people from WSPD attended the meeting with tape recorders in hand.

Carty [blasted] Fred L and WSPD. Carty claimed Fred and/or WSPD is running down the city of Toledo with half-truths and lies. Pretty strong claims by the mayor. Is Carty or his administration prepared to backup those claims?

Carty also said the businesses running ads on WSPD will receive some kind of communication from the mayor's office, informing them that Fred and/or WSPD is running down Toledo.

So Carty is threatening WPSD's sponsors, eh? Unless Carty has facts to backup his claims, [isn't] Carty threatening the First Amendment?

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Is Carty still being investigated over the Save Sanders incident? Now Carty is making what seems to me to be slanderous statements about a WSPD employee. WSPD or Clear Channel should sue Carty's ass, or at the very least demand that Carty list the alleged lies told by Fred.

How does a jackass like Carty get away with using a public meeting to make baseless claims about someone? The local media besides WSPD should rip Carty a new one over this. Is this what happens when you question local elected officials? See a pattern? Carty, Sykes and his flunkies, if you question them, look out. Bow down to the People's Republic of Toledo.

By threatening to muscle WSPD's sponsors, does Carty think he's Tony Soprano?

posted by jr at 01:00 A.M. EST on Fri Jun 09, 2006     #



The ethics investigation into the efforts to raise funds to retain Sanders is continuing. At the last meeting of the Ohio Ethics Commission, they decided that the case warranted more investigation. I believe their next meeting is to be June 23rd where they said a decision will be made whether to terminate the investigation or send it to the county prosecutor for action. So it is still "a stay tuned" item at this time.
posted by sflagg at 03:48 A.M. EST on Fri Jun 09, 2006     #



"So Carty is threatening WPSD's sponsors, eh? Unless Carty has facts to backup his claims, [isn't] Carty threatening the First Amendment? "

Nope. Carty is not attempting to abridge their speech, just their profits from doing so. Factual or not there's nothing in the First Amendment about that.


What's the deal here? Since I stopped tuning in to WSPD I'm a little behind on things. Has Speedy been droning on about the bike path for an extended time? (I thought bike paths were supposed to be a good thing anyway)

Frankly, I'm surprised that Fred has taken a stand on anything. He certainly didn't seem to have any backbone when it came to his callers. He'd agree with just about anyone when they were on the line.

-Dan

posted by photodan at 07:05 A.M. EST on Fri Jun 09, 2006     #



On Tuesday the mayor called him a outright liar and a negative force in the city at an open public forum.

I don't know about the liar part or if Fred affects the entire city, but Fred sure is a negative force when it comes to Arbitron ratings.

posted by thenick at 07:09 A.M. EST on Fri Jun 09, 2006     #



Carty was supposed to be a guest on WSPD's Eye on Toledo last night. However, Brian Wilson said he pulled the plug on an in-studio interview with Kevin Milliken, the show's host, until the mayor issues a public apology to Fred, the station, and its advertisers.
posted by sparky at 07:23 A.M. EST on Fri Jun 09, 2006     #



Fred's a DICK and certainly not opposed to using half truths and supressing and/or disrespecting callers who disagree with him. I don't think there is any question that since the "Beach Boy" and the "Dick" assumed their current positions at WSPD that their anti everything coming from government center stance is a negative for Toledo.
This whole bike path thing is a joke. The Mayor proposes a public investment in a city neighborhood and gets lambasted for it. The whole argument looks like a veiled fear of "inner city" types invading their neighborhood. They just don't have the guts to say it. We'll take that 600K on the East Side and have a huge press conference with 100 peolpe there thanking the Mayor and City Council for their support and investment in our neighborhood.

posted by steiner at 07:33 A.M. EST on Fri Jun 09, 2006     #



I can agree with the people on Beachway. They don't mind the bike path they just don't want it right through the center of their neighborhood.

As for Fred, I like him personally. He's a great guy and has been around a long time. As for his show it's too predictable and they are more trying to "stir up" controversy than discuss issues.

They should have never delegated Bob Frantz to a minor role and maybe he'd still be here. Brian Wilson sucks. He should deciede if he's a program director or on air (snickering) talent not both. His show sucks.

What they should do to Fred's show is try to add another personality to discuss the issues. Either Megan or another Toledo personality. I personally would love it if it were someone like Chrys Peterson.

As for Carty he needs to get over himself. He's the mayor and people aren't going to just go along with his ideas because he wants them to.

posted by MikeyA at 08:18 A.M. EST on Fri Jun 09, 2006     #



great steiner! you can have the bike path. What's your address? I'll send the survey crew over today! It can go in front of your house.

Please come to the hearing on June 15 in city council chambers, let them know you want it, they are looking for other alternatives.

The bike path is poorly planned, extremely dangerous in some parts, starts and stops in several places, and takes away from our neighborhood's beauty. WSPD posted some pictures of other bike paths in the city and I can imagine that after Carty puts in this one it will end up like those in a few years when a new mayor comes in that doesn't give a rat's arse about our neighborhood.

you can see those pictures here:
http://www.wspd.com/pages/hotbutton.html

posted by gotoledogo at 08:19 A.M. EST on Fri Jun 09, 2006     #



I'm not too excited about this proposal after seeing these pictures. The folks don't seem to want it - those that would be impacted by it and I can understand why.

Given that the last projects now look like this and would be a detriment to property values - does anyone know WHY this is being propopsed again?

Is there 600k out there that is ONLY for a bike path - 'earmarked'?

posted by katie82640 at 08:25 A.M. EST on Fri Jun 09, 2006     #



We'll take that 600K on the East Side and have a huge press conference with 100 peolpe there thanking the Mayor and City Council for their support and investment in our neighborhood

Problem is Steiner is that the east side gets the shaft all the time, so carty wouldn't even consider it. out of all the years he was/is mayor what has he done for east Toledo? Absolutly nothing. at least Ford got some of our streets re-done (and he was slower than molasis).

And i agree, a bike path on the east side would be rather nice, i said earlier that it could start out at the marina district, go up to miami, through international park and the docks and back. It would help clean the area up. I think i will send a leter to Mike Craig, see what he is wiling to do.

posted by tm at 08:59 A.M. EST on Fri Jun 09, 2006     #



great steiner! you can have the bike path. What's your address? I'll send the survey crew over today! It can go in front of your house.

I'll take it. My parents have a bike trail in their back yard and it's really a great idea. A realtor trying to get them to sell their house told them that the bike path adds thousands of dollars to the sale price because the house is part of a "tightly knit community". I used to ride the bike path to elementary school, which was much better than riding on sidewalks, constanly having to hop my bikes front wheels over uneven sidewalks.

Also, the cracks in the bike path shown in the WSPD pictures could be easily repaired and should have been taken care of by Jack Ford, Mayor. I know, I did that job during summers in high school. All it takes is a few hundred bucks worth of tar and a day or two of labor. For the price of one of his "Toledo Works" billboards, the cracks could be filled. Quiet, effictive leadership my ass.

posted by thenick at 09:21 A.M. EST on Fri Jun 09, 2006     #



And i agree, a bike path on the east side would be rather nice, i said earlier that it could start out at the marina district, go up to miami, through international park and the docks and back.

If it connects to the bike path being built along and under the Skyway, you'd be able to bike from International Park to Ravine Park, then up to the Greenbelt Parkway and down to Summit St., all the time avoiding surface streets. If the winning entry in the ArtNET 2.0 project incorporates a bike trail into their design, a giant bike path loop would be created.

posted by thenick at 09:48 A.M. EST on Fri Jun 09, 2006     #



I heard the quotes. Carty was a fit of rage. Veins had to be bulging from his skull. Carty said Fred told lies. If so, list them. What are they?

This isn't about what you think of WSPD. This is about a mayor that's borderline nuts, implying that if you disagree with him, you will have problems. Since when is not acceptable to question some the mayor's decisions? Carty expects everything he does to be applauded.

And look at this way. Carty wants his name attached to every important and insignificant project he can force on the city. Carty wants to be the Robert C. Byrd of Toledo.

What about Carty saying he will contact all of the businesses that advertise on WSPD and tell them that Fred is telling lies? What lies? Isn't Carty abusing his power as mayor? Again.


Carty singles out Fred in a public meeting Tuesday night. It's a standard cowardly tactic for Carty. Remember his state of the city speech back in January? From the Blade story about the speech:

"[Carty] chastised an absent Liz Holland, chief executive officer of Westgate's corporate owners, not to make Toledo settle for low design standards."

Carty said in his January speech:

"I point to Levis Commons as a prime example. Toledo recognized this truth about high quality development when our 20/20 Master Plan formally designated the Westgate area to be developed as an urban village with walkable streets and a proper balance between the automobile and the pedestrian. Liz Holland, the owner of Westgate property, lives in Chicago where high design standards have been very successful. She needs to work with the City to support the neighborhood principles at Westgate that have so enhanced property values in her hometown."

Holland was the only person Carty called out in a negative fashion. And in case you forgot, Carty lost that battle with Holland.


So now Carty is saying, "Who's Fred LeFebvre?" This childish behaviour is not new for Carty.

Read the story in last week's Toledo City Paper about the crime problems in the Old South End.

"[Rick] Anteauís first defense against the negative forces in the Old South End is to make sure that societyís forgotten and voiceless population is heard."

"Anteau expressed frustration with Toledo Mayor Carty Finkbeiner, claiming that Finkbeiner didnít take the crime problems in the Old South End seriously. According to Anteau, at a recent press conference addressing the Mini-Model Block program, Finkbeiner dismissed comments made by a South End resident who claimed there was "a crack house on every corner." Anteau claims Finkbeiner told the crowd at the press conference that making such claims is "bad for business." "

"On Feb. 28, Anteau sent a fax to Finkbeiner inviting the mayor to the March 9 town hall meeting. Finkbeiner replied in a letter on March 7 stating his inability to attend the meeting due to other commitments, but encouraged Anteauís resolve by writing: "If all citizens would stand up as you are doing ó I applaud your resolve to do what is necessary to make positive changes. I do stand with you." Mayor Finkbeiner was contacted by Toledo City Paper seeking comment about Anteauís work with Glory to Glory Ministries and the town hall meetings. Finkbeiner stated he had never heard of Anteau, the organization or its involvement."


What is that? Does Carty have convenient memory loss or real mental problems? Carty tells Anteau to fight the good fight, and then Carty says he has never heard of Anteau or his fight.

photodan said: "I thought bike paths were supposed to be a good thing anyway"

Is public safety a good thing? Would you rather have a bike path or less crime? The neighborhood residents profiled in that City Paper story, how do you think they would answer that question?

With his own campaign of misinformation, Carty has publicly attacked Liz Holland and Fred LeFebvre. Oooo, what a big man Carty is. Carty is yet another embarrassment for Toledo. Carty's own actions are bringing down Toledo.

Here are some of the pics on WSPD's website about the residents' enthusiasm over the proposed bike path. I believe the signs were up for Carty's snake oil salesman bus tour.







Is it true that Carty had someone on his staff make note of the homes with the negative signs? Is Carty going to fine these residents over fabricated violations?

What if Carty finds out that a small business owner disagrees with the mayor over an issue? Will that business owner suddenly find inspectors on his doorstep?

Not a reach. Carty has already threatened one business. What's to say he doesn't go after homeowners and small business owners?

posted by jr at 10:36 A.M. EST on Fri Jun 09, 2006     #



Please do not dish Carty. He is one of the few free standup comedy acts you can find anywhere in the country.

And please don't forget he was elected to office.

posted by bill at 01:52 P.M. EST on Fri Jun 09, 2006     #



'And please don't forget he was elected to office."

WITH, you might recall, his party's endorsement!

posted by billy at 02:21 P.M. EST on Fri Jun 09, 2006     #



WITH, you might recall, his party's endorsement

Well only half really, the other half formed their own little group and endorced ford. i cant remember what they called themselves.

posted by tm at 02:30 P.M. EST on Fri Jun 09, 2006     #



What if Carty finds out that a small business owner disagrees with the mayor over an issue? Will that business owner suddenly find inspectors on his doorstep?

Maybe my memory is foggy, but didn't that exact thing happen with Pepe's?

posted by tekrat at 03:07 P.M. EST on Fri Jun 09, 2006     #



How many times have you heard someones say "I like Carty. Atleast He is passionate about Toledo."

Carty's passion for Toledo is equivocal to an abusive husband's passion for dominating his wife.

What mayor does not get slammed on his/her local radio? This is just another example in a long history of abuse of power. Who does he think he is? John Gotti's ugly step child? They let him out of the woodshed and set him up as mayor of Toledo.

posted by nick44 at 03:18 P.M. EST on Fri Jun 09, 2006     #



But Carty isn't making the distinction between himself and the City. The radio station questioned his plan for a bike path. They made the point that the money could be spent better (like on police and fire or roads). I'm pretty sure that if you asked the majority of Toledoans about their roads, they say they need work and $600,000 would go a ways toward correcting that problem.

Carty reacted personally. Every elected official is subject to criticism for decisions made, votes cast and plans put forward. To criticize one particular plan is not the same as "being negative about the city."

Carty just can't tell the difference.

posted by MaggieThurber at 04:44 P.M. EST on Fri Jun 09, 2006     #



Ah, yes. This is the down side to Carty, which Hooda Thunkit termed the "evil Carty."

When he gets pissed and shoots from the hip, Carty can create all sorts of controversy, and sometimes these situations become counterproductive for everyone involved.

But hey - nearly two-thirds of Toledo voters pulled the lever for Carty, and they get what they voted for.

What's the old adage? "If it looks like a snake, hisses, and slithers around your backyard, why are you surprised when it bites you?"

posted by historymike at 05:34 P.M. EST on Fri Jun 09, 2006     #



You're being rhetorical when you ask, "Is public safety a good thing? Would you rather have a bike path or less crime?" I recognize that. (nothing gets past me, eh?)

As a party who is not up to speed on this issue, let me ask this. Is the proposed bike path to be built using existing city funds that can be used on other things such as law enforcement or is this proposal the result of something like a grant with limited scope?

-Dan

posted by photodan at 07:17 P.M. EST on Fri Jun 09, 2006     #



Does Carty have convenient memory loss or real mental problems?

One does not preclude the other. Some years ago Carty confronted a home owner over a trivial matter and ended up screaming at the man and threatening him. The opponent didn't know who Carty was, you see. At some point someone will eventually find one of Carty's many buttons and lean on it hard enough to provoke a physical attack. Then we can all relax and see what happens to an elected city official right after he commits assault and battery in front of witnesses.

posted by madjack at 07:57 P.M. EST on Fri Jun 09, 2006     #



photodan - the money for the proposed bike path is capital improvement fund dollars. The CIP can be used for multiple purposes and, unless you've gotten federal grant money which you've put into the fund (usually earmarked for a specific project anyway), the CIP comes from a set-aside out of the general fund - your tax dollars and mine.

CIP expenditures usually have to be for items with a life-span of a specific number of years (often it's 5 years). So while the CIP has restrictions on how it can be used, police cars, fire engines, new roofs on city owned buildings and road repair/repaving certainly are items on which capital dollars can be spent.

As a Toledo resident (not as a commissioner), I'd rather have the money spent on roads because they're in such bad shape. A bike path benefits a few - roads benefit a significant number. And based upon my personal philosophy, I want government to focus on mandatory functions (like police/fire/roads) before they spend my tax dollars on non-essential things like bike paths.

posted by MaggieThurber at 09:24 P.M. EST on Fri Jun 09, 2006     #



∑ On Steiner's Comments ∑

steiner said: "The Mayor proposes a public investment in a city neighborhood and gets lambasted for it. The whole argument looks like a veiled fear of "inner city" types invading their neighborhood. They just don't have the guts to say it. We'll take that 600K on the East Side and have a huge press conference with 100 peolpe there thanking the Mayor and City Council for their support and investment in our neighborhood."

As one who opposes such a path, I take some umbrage against your statement. For the record, a bike path in the areas proposed would DIRECTLY benefit me. Still, I think it's not needed and instead more worthy projects should be performed. My area is well outfitted otherwise with paths and is quite nice as a baseline.

So ... go ahead, Mr East Toledoan and get your bike path. I don't grudge you it. I in fact agree that you folks past the Iron Curtain are more deserving since any fool can look at East Toledo and cringe. Seriously. ET is a direct victim of a lack of investment and deserves a bit more consideration before we setup more nice stuff here in Affluentia.

Just be careful with opining what, exactly, people like me are thinking when we oppose a so-called public project. Public money needs to be EITHER spent in a very responsible manner, OR it needs to be returned to the taxpayers who created the money in the first place. This generally means in practical terms that politicians should seek a supermajority coalition for each project, or summarily drop it as "too contentious". Public wealth can only naturally involve a sacred trust.

∑ On Carty's Insanity ∑

Carty is clinically insane. We well knew this during his last mayoral terms, and in fact we should have heavily suspected such before then from a variety of his antics.

He has to be recalled. There's no other real option for the public. Recall this bozo before he causes even more damage.

Toledo needs a hard-nosed manager, not some fop with delusions of enthusiasm.

madjack said: "At some point someone will eventually find one of Carty's many buttons and lean on it hard enough to provoke a physical attack. Then we can all relax and see what happens to an elected city official right after he commits assault and battery in front of witnesses."

What will happen? Largely nothing, in the sense of teaching Carty anything or affecting his status. Even if something does happen in any seriousness, Carty will only open up the city checkbook and buy off his victim. Heck, said "victim" himself will start the process up almost immediately by calling his lawyer.

You might be saying "that's a civil matter, but we're talking about a criminal case". So sorry, but law enforcement will not get involved. If they ever do get involved ... well, all one would need to understand the matter is find out what happened when Carty broke his wife's arm some years ago and some Toledo cops responded and took him into custody. Carty never made it to the jail, was never charged, and the incident was covered up. Ask any cop to tell you that particular story (... and the police aren't the only source of my information). After that, I'm pretty sure that the TPD has little inclination to actually arrest Carty for anything below an outright murder spree.

posted by GuestZero at 09:44 P.M. EST on Fri Jun 09, 2006     #



Maybe, just maybe Toledo will vote a straight Republican ticket one of these days and give them a chance to run the city. The Democrates sure have made a mess of things. Remember Toledo you get what you voted for.
posted by rooky at 10:20 A.M. EST on Sat Jun 10, 2006     #



Thanks for explaining the specifics of the funding, Maggie. I really appreciate getting an explanation of the facts from someone actually in government.

-Dan

posted by photodan at 06:12 P.M. EST on Sat Jun 10, 2006     #



The bike path, IMO, is ill-conceived idea that has two things behind it.

1. It is something (relatively) new amongst all of Toledo's existing problems and therefore a distraction from those problems.

2. It is CARTY'S idea.

That in Carty's addled brain (I hesitate to use the term "mind" where none, obviously exists) is reason enough.

After he suffers a defeat on this, what will his next cockamamie scheme (or, escape from reality) be?

God help the citizens of Toledo for the next ~ 3 1/2 years...

A ship without a rudder is like Toledo, with "Carty the Passionate (now, reverted back to EVIL)" for their Mayor. . .

posted by Hooda_Thunkit at 01:27 P.M. EST on Sun Jun 11, 2006     #



Yup thanks Maggie. It makes no sense at all when everyday needs are not met, to even consider a bike path.

Has anyone driven downtown? We have a brick crosswalk that is surrounded by failing roads on three of four sides. Surely all three roads could have been blacktopped for the cost of that one brick crossway.

They do NOT take the minial care to pour tar on the cracks that open up in new roads. This is a minimal purchase and I know the city has the machines to keep the hot patch hot.

This is just the barest minimum standard of care and they can't do that. Why would they talk about 600k for anything when we have cracks in brand new roads that are open for water to seep into and expand into ice.

The Anthony Wayne trail south out of Toledo is prime example. Drive south and look at the unpatched cracks.

So, how do you justify building something else when you aren't taking care of what you already have and have paid for?

The mayor needs a values lessson.

posted by katie82640 at 04:39 P.M. EST on Sun Jun 11, 2006     #



Katie, exactly the reason I don't want to look at a path in front of my house. If they cannot take care of the roads, I sure know that the next mayor won't see repaving and repairing any bike path as a necessity. When it's in disrepair it does do something to my property value. Nobody can put spin on that.
posted by gotoledogo at 07:29 P.M. EST on Sun Jun 11, 2006     #



The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.

Put up more signs :-)

posted by katie82640 at 08:00 P.M. EST on Sun Jun 11, 2006     #



GZ: I've heard that story about Carty and his wife's broken arm several times before. News people have acknowledged the story and said it would never see print. Was this his first or second wife?
posted by madjack at 08:09 A.M. EST on Mon Jun 12, 2006     #



Now - you know what they say about rumors. :-)

Ok - so I don't know what they say about rumors but we don't want to cross this line.....

posted by katie82640 at 06:47 P.M. EST on Mon Jun 12, 2006     #



I just realized after reading madjack's comment how unimportant it feels to know about a certain prominant democrat that was brought down from the Hi Level, naked and cracked out after threatening suicide.

It's like "big whoopie".

Carty fooled Toledo. The desperation of anyone other than Ford, combined with the big lie "I've changed", denied the rightful heir, Keith Wilkowski the "throne" on 22.

Oh, and I'm not saying anything, but I read one time on a wall at a Shoney's in Lake City that Carty could have had an air ambulance fly in and take his wife to an out of area hospital so it wouldn't be investigated.

posted by BrianInFlorida at 07:21 P.M. EST on Mon Jun 12, 2006     #



Funny thing about those trail pictures. I run on the Ottawa Bikeway nearly every day, some in not-so-high-rent neighborhoods, and nothing on it looks like that. There's only one part of the city-managed trail system with those kinds of issues, the part of the Ottawa Bikeway near Commtech.

Those photos are cherry-picked to make the whole idea look bad.

posted by jsquire at 07:22 P.M. EST on Wed Jun 14, 2006     #



I drove by there this afternoon. Those blocks do need the cracks repaired and there are weeds coming through the blacktop.

The homeowners have their own yards mostly well trimmed and maintained. Some sections where this path is - isn't well maintained. I also noticed as I drove along that there weren't any users on the path. It was a nice afternoon.

posted by katie82640 at 04:28 P.M. EST on Thu Jun 15, 2006     #



Toledo Free Press article about nutty Czarty's comments about Fred at the public meeting.

Czarty's own ignorant words about Fred and WSPD:

"Well, he's got a lot of companies that advertise on WSPD radio and they're going to be informed by this mayor exactly how he, for three hours every morning, rips us apart and tells mistruths and some of them are doing advertising on that program and it runs down our city. I find that intolerable, unacceptable; and you can put that down in capital letters and give that to him. I'm proud to be in Toledo and I've lived here my whole life."

If you listened to the audio, after Czarty made the above statement, several people in the crowd cheered and applauded. They were probably Czarty flunkies planted in the crowd. If those cheering were actually "normal" Toledo cizitens, then they can't move out of the city fast enough.

Czarty also said:

"I'm about fed up with somebody named LeFebvre who comes on every morning and gets his paycheck out of the city of Toledo, he gets businessmen in the city of Toledo that earn a living in the city of Toledo that like being in the city of Toledo, and all he's done for the last three weeks is run down the city of Toledo telling half-truths, mistruths and outright lies."

As far as I know, Czarty has not listed the lies told by Fred. That's not free speech by Czarty. That's slander.

posted by jr at 05:26 P.M. EST on Thu Jun 15, 2006     #



Since he stated that he expected his words to be written......"I find that intolerable, unacceptable; and you can put that down in capital letters and give that to him."

Yes, if there are lies that were aired, they should be listed by the Mayor. Otherwise someone could suppose that he was not being truthful.

posted by katie82640 at 10:47 A.M. EST on Fri Jun 16, 2006     #



Actually I read another thread and got to thinking. My Dad and Grandma both had major heart surgery. There is a whole mixed bag of emotional trouble (don't know the physiological reason for this) that runs for an extensive period of time afterward. Mostly depression and anger. It lasted a year or better with both of them. It was pretty bad.

Now Carty doesn't have a history of stability - but when was his heart procedure? Maybe he is having difficulty with that recovery. A heart doctor could give more insight - but it was quite remarkable. They told us exactly what would happen to both of them at the time of the surgery and that's exactly what happened.

My grandmother was terribly depressed. She would cry and she began sleepwalking. It was really awful. Didn't start to clear up for at least a year.

posted by katie82640 at 06:07 P.M. EST on Fri Jun 16, 2006     #



Did anyone hear the letter that the AFSCME 2058 president sent to Carty? Basically, it was a written reprimand to him. WSPD read it last night and today.
posted by MaggieThurber at 08:07 P.M. EST on Fri Jun 16, 2006     #



This is the only thing I've seen about it. And it makes sense to me.

http://wtol.com/Global/story.asp?S=5042373

posted by DoknowDocare at 10:01 P.M. EST on Fri Jun 16, 2006     #



Someone needs to tattoo "Hostile Work Environment" on Czarty's head.

It's getting to the point where people are going to pray for his heart to explode.

What kind of life is that?

posted by BrianInFlorida at 03:21 A.M. EST on Sat Jun 17, 2006     #



"Mayor Finkbeiner, through his spokesman, defended his actions. Spokesman Brian Swartz said, "The Mayor's an old football coach. When you're a football coach, sometimes you've gotta give the team a pep talk. Sometimes you gotta kick the team in the seat of the pants. And at this point, the Mayor felt one part of the meeting -- that kick in the pants -- was necessary."

And how long and who did he coach football?

If he wants people to think he's another Ditka or Amstutz or somebody like that, he's got another think coming. Toledo knows who he is.

posted by billy at 06:53 A.M. EST on Sat Jun 17, 2006     #



Finished a tour of Toledo to see all the changes since Finkbeiner took office as the top dog of Economic Development and Mayor. There certainly had been a lot of projects being talked about, but I didn't work up much of a sweat actually viewing any new stuff. Nonetheless, I was excited to use the famous shower in the Mayor's office before reviewing my observations with him.
" I would like to see the Mayor about Economic Development," I said, addressing the friendly receptionist in the Mayor's office, and could I use the shower while I wait? How much are those towels?"
I thought that the towels with Toledo logos on them were a nice fund raiser, especially at $19.99 each. It was a good indication that somebody was thinking creatively at the top and much more was going on behind the scenes in the office of the chief economic development leader than the Blade's recent lukewarm review of his honor's first six months in office.
I was told to have a seat in the waiting area while my request for a shower and a meeting were processed. It was obvious from the screaming that the Mayor was engaged in high level discussions ,ironically, about Economic Development. I listened in, quite easily, by the way.
" When was the last time you updated our DTI website?" I could hear him demanding, adamantly, " That's are primary launching pad for building up, recruiting and promoting our Downtown. Former Mayor Ford is still pictured on the front page! How many new business's have located downtown? ^6%$%&*^%$$^&*()You spent over $200,000 on a multi talented "Clean Up Crew" to walk around the Downtown handing out maps? Maps of what? There's nothing new to find! I'm not happy about DTI and I bet the Downtown business' s that paid into that program aren't either. Where's the recruitment of new business? Where's the incentive program? Where's a map on "How to do Business in our City?" Where's the promotion of DTI and downtown? We should have billboards at the stadium, sponsor events. This is simple stuff. Really. You are making me look bad. ^6%$%&*"
He must have turned to another person because the subject switched to the Erie Street Market. The Mayor had smartly cleaned house in the Spring, but a promised quick re-opening seemed far away.
" I didn't hear or read one thing about that consultant's day at the Erie street Market," he was screaming, " Why wasn't there a follow-up. Publicity. That's what we need now. Where's that slick Las Vegas kid I hired. That's his job. Food. Food. Food. That's the only business's I see interested. Maybe that citizen's suggestion was right. What did he say? Make it an indoor mall concept instead of another Farmer's Market. *&(*&^%$$((*&& "
Once again, the Mayor switched subjects, indicating he was talking to another project head. It was about the new banners that stated "Do Toledo."
" Is this the best we could come up with? Don't they know that's Jr. High slang for having sex with someone? Holy Toledo! Wait. Write that down. I want credit for that. *(*&^%$#$)(*&"
The receptionist noticed my uncomfortable fidgeting, especially the profanity. Those poor people in charge of development. The door to the Mayor's room opened and out walked the Mayor, by himself still screaming.
"And quit calling me Archie Bunker," he yelled back," You Meathead. King Kong was meant as a compliment. "
Nobody responded.
"Did you still want to see the Mayor?"she asked politely,"He's done now."
" I think I've heard everything I need to hear," I told her and handed back my towel," He needs this more than me. "

posted by HappyBadger at 02:35 A.M. EST on Sun Jun 18, 2006     #



That can't actually be a rendition of Czarty, since there's nowhere near enough filth flowing from that foul flume we laughingly call his "mouth".
posted by GuestZero at 04:23 A.M. EST on Sun Jun 18, 2006     #



I don't care what he coached. He's in a professional, elected position. He needs to avoid having a foul mouth.

Simple stuff. Tell people what you want them to do, give them a deadline and outline the consequences for missing the deadline,

Reward those who perform and keep your promised set of consequences, consistently for those who do not fulfill their responsiblities in the alloted time. (Gee kind of like parenting, ain't it :-)

But if he talked like that to me, I'd flip him on his back and put a bar of soap in his mouth.

posted by katie82640 at 09:10 A.M. EST on Sun Jun 18, 2006     #



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