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    January 12, 2005

Howard Dean wants to be DNC chairman - The Deanster sent me a lengthy e-mail yesterday, letting me know what was happening in his life. Yeah, we're buds. "I'm announcing my candidacy for the Chairmanship of the Democratic National Committee. The Democratic Party needs a vibrant, forward-thinking, long-term presence in every single state and we must be willing to contest every race at every level. We will only win when we show up and fight for the issues important to all of us."

"But most of all, together, we have to rebuild the American community. We will never succeed by treating our nation as a collection of separate regions or separate groups. There are no red states or blues states, only American states. And we must talk to the people in all of these states as members of one community."

"That word -- 'values' -- has lately become a codeword for appeasement of the right-wing fringe."

"Our party must speak plainly and our agenda must clearly reflect the socially progressive, fiscally responsible values that bring our party -- and the vast majority of Americans -- together."

posted by jr to politics at 10:44 A.M. EST     (15 Comments)

Comments ...

Dean will be flushed like all the other progressive Democrats, as the DLC continues to seduce the entire party with Centrist rhetoric and corporate money. We'll have to watch another 2 years of all this "appeasement" and "non-obstructionism" ... until the 2006 elections when the Dems lose at least 1 more seat in the Senate, and at least 3 more seats in the House. Then, we will hear even more shrilly shrieking from the Dems as they strive to be more right-wing.

The Dems are a political party that is imploding. I look forward to seeing them purge themselves of any candidate that dares to harbor sentiment for the progressive platform of labor rights, environmental protection, and international cooperation.

Of course, this is all preparatory to putting up H. Clinton as their Presidential candidate for 2008. By then, her left-of-right-wing message should be better received against a non-incumbent Republican candidate. That candidate surely won't be McCain ... he's shown too much Humanity to continue the process of actively gutting America's populist achievements. Cheney will be too decrepit to run. Any ideas out there on who's the hatchet man for the Republican party for 2008?

posted by Guest at 05:37 P.M. EST on Wed Jan 12, 2005     #

The democrats will probably nominate Hillary and the republicans will nominate Dan Quayle, or at least somebody as qualified as Dan Quayle. The American people will have to choose between the witch, who wants to cram socialized medicine down everybody’s throat, or the moron. I will vote for the moron because if the moron wins, blows out the deficit and gets the country involved in unjustified wars, the next president can fix it all. If the witch wins and gets her socialized medicine, I will be stuck with an additional 15% income tax and a Medicaid quality health care system until the day I die.
posted by mike2004 at 04:55 P.M. EST on Thu Jan 13, 2005     #

posted by Chaz at 09:30 P.M. EST on Thu Jan 13, 2005     #

I wish I could disagree with mike2004's observations (not his opinion on "the next president can fix it all"), but I can't.

I started my speculations not in some support of H.Clinton, but in fact in opposition to her. I find her Centrism to be as bothersome as any done by Bush (who got into office on his "Compassionate Conservative" label ... remember that?).

If anyone thinks that Quayle is a viable Republican 2008 candidate, then I may as well go back to thinking about McCain. But I was particularly interested in which Republican governor will step forward. As recent history suggests, governors are usually the successful candidates for President. I can only imagine that people tend to prefer the CEO of America, Inc. to have least cut his teeth on managing one of the subsidiaries (i.e. one of the states).

I think that the Campaign to Trash Dean has already started. We don't need DeanScreamers like Chaz to start it up (although I'm perfectly confident that we'll be hearing a certain, short, familiar audio clip on Rush Limbaugh soon, and it will be played over and over and over ...). The NYT ran some article recently about blogs being allegedly compromised by money from the Dean campaign during the run up to the Democratic Convention. There was full disclosure during this kind of thing, but that's not the point; the point is to discredit Dean so that he won't ever have a position of power in the Democratic Party. Only globalists are welcome (per DLC doctrine), so that Corporate America can continue the process of consolidating wealth by confiscating it from the People and then protecting it from populist predations like regulations, taxes, fines and tariffs.

Poor Dean. It's sad that he lives in a society that thinks a few seconds of audio is enough to completely discredit the man. For that matter: Poor us.

posted by Guest at 06:15 A.M. EST on Sun Jan 16, 2005     #

'Anybody But Dean, Part 2'

"The 477 DNC members who choose the party chair haven't settled on a leader of the 2005 version of the Anybody But Dean movement. For now, the front-running alternative is former congressman Martin Frost of Texas, a pro-labor moderate with a lifetime of traditional organizing who survived 13 terms in Dallas before the GOP redistricted him into oblivion."

"He's followed by Simon Rosenberg, a young Washington-based fund-raiser and strategist who claims to be as digitized and Net-friendly as Dean—and yet more popular than Dean among the bloggers, who are emerging as new grass-roots powers in the party. Pro-lifer Tim Roemer is also running."

Hold on here, people are actually claiming to be "digitized" and "Net-friendly?" These now count as a qualifications? So electing someone will come down to whether or not the candidate owns an iPod. Don't brag about being a ham radio operator.

Maybe these could be new pick-up lines. "Hey baby, I'm digitized, and I'm very, very net-friendly."

Bloggers are emerging as a new grass-roots power in the party? What? If bloggers are the hope for the Democrat party, then Republicans have nothing to fear. Here's a shock, not all bloggers are liberals.

What is with this myth that Democrats or liberals are the gurus of blogging and the Internet?

posted by jr at 01:04 P.M. EST on Sun Jan 23, 2005     #

If Dan Quayle runs in 2008 which im sure he will he has a strong chance at the nomanation beleave it or not i think he can win a election againts hillary clinton i myself am a repudlican and feel that rudy is to liberal for are party for a presidential nomanation i know its 4 years away butt i think were looking at a Quayle vs Hillary or a owens vr hillary yeah it will be close butt im pretty sure the republicans will see a third presdital victory in a row and it won,t be with Rudy on the ballot
posted by Guest at 10:38 P.M. EST on Sat Jan 29, 2005     #

"Howard Dean won the backing of state Democratic Party leaders Monday, putting him in a strong position to win the chairmanship of the Democratic National Committee."
posted by jr at 11:21 P.M. EST on Mon Jan 31, 2005     #

Disappointment over the Iraqi elections on Dean's blog.

"Not surprisingly, President Bush declared this weekend's Iraqi election a success."

Liberal extremists like Dean must be in serious pain over the success of Iraq's first free election in decades.

posted by jr at 11:29 P.M. EST on Mon Jan 31, 2005     #

Mr. Compassion, Howard Dean, said over the weekend:

"I hate the Republicans and everything they stand for."

There you have it. Possibly the new voice of the Democrats. The group of people that advertises as the party of tolerance and progressive thinking. Well, if Dean becomes the DNC chairman, it could be said that the Democrat party is the party of hate and intolerance.

Nobody is rooting harder than conservatives for Dean to become the DNC chairman. Yes, Go Dean Go. The vote is Feb 12.

I love this other comment from the Deanster:

"We need to be people of conviction."

posted by jr at 11:43 P.M. EST on Mon Jan 31, 2005     #

"Howard Dean emerged Tuesday [Feb 1] as the almost assured new leader of the Democratic National Committee, as one of his main rivals quit the race and Democrats streamed to announce their support of a man whose presidential campaign collapsed one year ago. "It's a fait accompli, it's over: Dean's going to be it," said Gerald McEntee, head of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, who runs the umbrella political organization for all the unions in the A.F.L.-C.I.O."

"Dr. Dean promised that he would bring to the Democratic National Committee the base of young and enthusiastic voters and the generous Internet contributors who helped power his high-flying, if short, campaign for president."

"Dean is moving to the forefront of Washington politics at a moment when the party, seen as lacking any obvious leaders in the wake of the November defeat of Tom Daschle, the Senate minority leader, has been struggling to define its case against Mr. Bush on the war in Iraq and on overhauling Social Security."

"Republicans, who had already been portraying the Democrats as obstructionist and extreme, seemed somewhere between being delighted and amused to have Dr. Dean to kick around again, instantly invoking a defining moment in his career."

posted by jr at 09:21 A.M. EST on Thu Feb 03, 2005     #

"Howard Dean, whose high-flying presidential bid collapsed in disarray one year ago, won the post of Democratic chairman on Saturday and promised an aggressive drive to mobilize voters and rebuild the party ``from the grass roots up.'' "

Fun. Dean is not boring.

posted by jr at 01:10 A.M. EST on Sun Feb 13, 2005     #

Bring 'em on, this could be as much fun as Kerry was. 'Was' being the operative word.

posted by Mraz at 03:13 P.M. EST on Fri Feb 25, 2005     #

Still at it. A March 4 story:

"The Democratic National Committee (DNC) announced the members of its Ohio Election Task Force. This group of seasoned professionals in the electoral and technology fields are taking an in-depth look into the issues of voter registration problems, long lines at the polls, the issuance and counting of provisional ballots and voting equipment irregularities that voters faced during the 2004 presidential election in Ohio. The team has been hard at work since January, conducting surveys and reviewing election data from all across the state. The task force will submit its report to the DNC with suggestions for moving forward."

Like what, how to cheat in the next presidential election? How to get more bogus registrations accepted? Oh wait, the "other" side cheated, so the report will suggest how to out-cheat everyone else.

The Deanster said:

"I am confident that Voting Rights Institute (VRI) Chair Donna Brazile and her team of experts will properly investigate what went wrong in the Ohio election process."

Um, I can tell you what went wrong, Dean. More people voted for Bush than Kerry.

Dean continued with:

"This investigation will ensure that every vote will be counted and everyone who is eligible to vote will be able to secure that right."

And if you're not eligible to vote, your vote will be counted. If you didn't vote your vote will be counted at least twice. And so on.

Is Dean making sure every vote is being counted in Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, and Wisconsin?

I'm amazed Dean strung more than two sentences together without being racially offensive. Oh I forgot, Dean was just joking last month.

posted by jr at 02:55 P.M. EST on Sat Mar 05, 2005     #


Both sides made a mockery of the last election with quasi-legal and, to some extent, illegal actions.

Don't fall for the partisan cheerleading. While I think Dean is an interesting politician, he is ignoring the Democratic party's dirty laundry. They did a hatchet job on Ralph Nader in this state, keeping him off most ballots.

The Republicans, don't forget, elevated election-rigging to new heights last year. They challenged ballots en masse to attempt to disenfranchise voters, threw dozens of last-minute court challenges, and used lots of bizarre loopholes to discount voter registrations.

One of the strangest was Blackwell's use of an archaic provision that requires voter registration forms to be of postcard-weight stock:

Someone I know moved here from New York a few years ago. He faced three challenges to his registration, all by people he has never met. He has lived in the same house since he moved here. He believes his name was challenged so many times because he has a surname of racially-identifiable origin.

The Dean was certainly in questionable taste, but it did reflect reality: the Republican Party is dominated by the affluent, and it is overwhelmingly white.

However, it does demean African-Americans who happen to vote Republican. I am not a person who jumps on the Condaleeza=Aunt Jemima bandwagon for cheap laughs. An apology is in order.

Trent Lott's comments about Strom Thurmond were of equally bad judgment, although I can see where the veneration of a segregationist senator might offend African Americans.

Dean needs to focus on the real dividing characteristic in the US: wealth.

posted by historymike at 04:30 P.M. EST on Sat Mar 05, 2005     #

I actually thought what Dean said last month was funny. Since I'm a fan of the Simpsons, I don't see anything wrong with a little offensive humor. People need to lighten up and toughen up. But it seems some people can get away with making wisecracks and others can't. The sensitivity bullshit and political correctness rules don't apply to everyone. I'll just chalk up to partisan politics.

Like the other day when former Klu Klux Klan member Robert Byrd compared "the Republican anti-filibuster effort in the Senate to the actions of the Nazis." The fact that a couple Jewish groups are upset over Byrds remarks is irrelevant. This is politics.

The joke here is a former KKK member pretending to be concerned about minorities and calling someone a Nazi. Now that's funny. SNL should hire Byrd as a writer.

posted by jr at 07:23 A.M. EST on Sun Mar 06, 2005     #

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