Coward,
Do you know how to read? Do you know what a fact is?
The article doesn't say the attackers were Christian, Muslim, or Hindu. The reason it remains unstated is because IT IS UNKNOWN.
You are an outright liar, and JR should revoke your posting priveleges.
posted by AirTrainer at 04:03 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
And if had been two brown men, you'd have been all on about Islam.
Two men attacked a prof who made fun of Christianity. It happened in Kansas.
Yeah, and the odds are exactly how big that they're NOT Christian?
http://www.nbc4i.com/education/5475762/detail.html
"University of Kansas religious studies professor Paul Mirecki said the men referred to the class when they beat him on the head, shoulders and back with their fists, and possibly a metal object, the Lawrence Journal-World reported".
Yeah, they beat him up to show support of Intelligent Design... that must be it, eh, AirHead?
posted by anonymouscoward at 04:53 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
What is it about liberals and facts? What stops you from saying, "Oh, yeah, you're right. It doesn't actually say Christians did the beating. I made that part up."?
Instead, you try to justify your lie. Sad and weak, coward, sad and weak.
Innuendo and assumptions are just as good as facts, aren't they?
TROLL!
posted by AirTrainer at 05:11 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
The professor in question insulted and belittled a Christian organization on campus, was forced to apologize, and had his class cancelled by the University. The university knew, based on his behavior, it was not going to be a scholarly examination of the creation vs. evolution issue; it was going to be a state-sanctioned bashing of Christians.
I would invite liberals to continue to support the marginilization of Christianity. It helps Republicans win elections.
posted by MemyselfandI at 05:22 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
I would invite liberals to continue to support the marginilization of Christianity. It helps Republicans win elections.
If you're going to tie Christianity and Republicanism together like that, then tell your church to pay taxes, or your politicians to not endorse Christianity (Petro's ad showing the Bible certainly does).
KEEP THE CHURCH OUT OF POLITICS!
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!
posted by anonymouscoward at 05:56 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
C'mon, coward, I know you want to vent. Let it all out. Christianity comes in multiples flavors, but you keep referring to the 'church' in the singular sense. Which church are you talking about? Would that be the singing Quakers or the dancing Quakers?
While you're at it, where's your admission of your lie, you lying sack?
And by the way, the church you fear in the political world is all around you; the church is the people, not the hierarchy.
COWARD'S A LIAR!
COWARD'S A LIAR!
posted by AirTrainer at 06:13 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
AirHead is either a liberal or proves that hate is not a liberal value.
posted by anonymouscoward at 06:19 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
Whatever. At least I'm not a
LIAR
LIAR
LIAR
posted by AirTrainer at 06:22 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
Given that the prof has made statements against "Christian fundamentalists" and that the attackers are described as two white males between 30 and 40", I somehow don't buy into the idea of them being Islamic or Hindu or Flying Spaghetti Monsterists.
Note AirHead referring to me as "Coward" and not "AC" or "anonymouscoward". Name-calling gets it right back, AirHead.
posted by anonymouscoward at 06:24 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
Here's what I see when I read your last post:
Given that (yada yada), I somehow (keep trying to justify my LIE).
C'mon coward, the first step in fixing your personality disorder is admitting that you have a problem.
Name-calling gets it right back, AirHead.
Sticks and stones, coward, sticks and stones.
posted by AirTrainer at 06:39 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
Apropos of nothing...
User Profile for "anonymouscoward"
Member since: July 9, 2004
User Profile for "AirTrainer"
Member since: July 7, 2005
User Profile for "MemyselfandI"
Member since: October 22, 2005
User Profile for "lloyd"
Member since: July 17, 2005
n00bs.
posted by anonymouscoward at 06:45 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
Do you have a point, or are you just going to waste JR's server space?
You certainly can't be implying that you have some sort of wisdom or seniority based on the date you joined this forum, right?!? That would be the height of stupidity.
And you're not stupid; you just have a personality disorder coupled with bad taste. These things can be fixed.
posted by AirTrainer at 06:54 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
Oh yeah...make sure you start you next post by admitting that you LIED at the beginning of this thread.
posted by AirTrainer at 06:55 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
Hey, AirHead, as a good Christian, aren't you supposed to be busy turning the other cheek?
Yeah, I thought so. You don't bother listening to Jesus.
You could have ignored this, but you had to attack, just like the "alleged" "Christians" in the story.
Alas. Every person who saw this and ignored it is a better Christian than you. I, in fact, congratulate them.
Matthew 5:5, dude. Hopefully He forgives you for this transgression.
posted by anonymouscoward at 07:00 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
Oh, that's rich; the spaghetti coward espousing Christian virtues.
Do you feel okay? Do you need to lay down and catch your breath?
I'm still waiting for you to admit that you are a
LIAR
LIAR
LIAR
posted by AirTrainer at 07:07 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
AC, I've got some great beach front property in Alberta. Interested?
I didn't say a damn thing in this thread, and didn't even look at it until right now.
Nice troll. Nice unprovoked personal attack.
I think, jr, that you better start enforcing some of those posting guidelines there.
posted by anonymouscoward at 09:39 A.M. EST on Fri Dec 02, 2005 #
Now AC, lookie here:
Apropos of nothing...
User Profile for "anonymouscoward"
Member since: July 9, 2004
User Profile for "AirTrainer"
Member since: July 7, 2005
User Profile for "MemyselfandI"
Member since: October 22, 2005
User Profile for "lloyd"
Member since: July 17, 2005
n00bs.
So rules only apply to everyone but yourself? Why are you picking on Lloyd in a topic he hasn't yet commented on?
posted by alexandra at 07:12 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
AC - said If you're going to tie Christianity and Republicanism together like that, then tell your church to pay taxes, or your politicians to not endorse Christianity (Petro's ad showing the Bible certainly does).
KEEP THE CHURCH OUT OF POLITICS!
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!
AC - I realize this was in response to another comment however, I wish you'd be as adamant about the Democrats and this issue...it's the Democrats who actively campaign in churches in Toledo - even going so far as to have Jack Ford give a political speech in the guise of a "sermon."
One year I had to threaten filing a complaint with the IRS because so many of the central city churches had (all democrat) candidate signs in their yards.
Prove to me that your position on this issue applies to BOTH sides and call for the Dems locally to, as you put it, KEEP THE CHURCH OUT OF POLITICS!
posted by intrepid at 07:13 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
So, Air America's Mike Malloy has avocated assault on conservatives that disagree with them, not to mention the fact that Air America has advocated the assasination of POTUS.
Using your logic a/s, am I to assume that you too are a thug, and advocate the assasination of a sitting US President.
You're logic says that you do.
That would make you a coward and a traitor.
posted by WhiteAfricanAmerican at 07:15 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
PS - I have something else to add here. Who decided that joining ToledoTalk at an earlier date makes your comments superior, smarter, wiser or better? There are many legitimate reasons that someone may have joined after you.
posted by alexandra at 07:15 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
The next thing you know, somebody gets beat up in Toledo by an assailant wearing a www.ToledoTalk.com T-shirt * ... and then Jr has to talk to the cops.
Sheesh. Guilt by association only goes so far. We just don't know the details on who, exactly -- heck, even vaguely -- beat up that professor. Although it's tempting to think that some right-wingnuts did the deed, it's equally probable that some left-wingnuts did it. The anti-evolution debate (to be charitable, sometimes it's an anti-evolution-monopoly debate) is particularly contentious and is capable of bringing all manner of extreme elements out of the woodwork.
Intelligent Design -- being an advocacy, not a theory -- has no place in a reasoned environment which should be pervasive in any secular school. A gang of beat-ups is equally out of place.
* No, I don't own such a T-shirt.
posted by GuestZero at 07:27 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
Where can I get one of those t-shirts...just in case...
posted by intrepid at 07:42 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
The more people that sign up to challenge me, the better the site is. JR actually benefits from my antics. :)
I think some folks here need to bone up on their vocabulary as well. "Apropos to nothing" means "to the purpose of nothing".
To answer intrepid, how would you like me to prove that my feelings are the same for religious interference in both parties? For each case of a church or other religious institution I've heard of playing to the Democrats/liberals, I've heard about a thousand cases of playing to the GOP/conservatives. I'd like to know which holy men are the Dem/liberal counterparts of, say, Robertson, Falwell, Dobson, and Phelps, to name a few.
posted by anonymouscoward at 07:43 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
Jeez, with the amount of animosity shown by AirTrainer, and given that I'm an avowed Flying Spaghetti Monsterist, maybe I should go get my Concealed Carry Permit just in case I get jumped somewhere?
Oh wait, as a liberal I'm supposed to hate all guns....
posted by anonymouscoward at 07:44 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
I'll just sit here and roll my eyes.
Instead of actually discussing the link, it's turned into lair/troll/banning/coward/traitor/thug/ninnie/poopiepants/you've got stinky feets/my Dad can beat up your Dad type stuff.
posted by Bruno at 07:52 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
Me....
Member since: April 21, 2005
Last logged-in visit: December 6, 2005
Taking Bruno's point and getting out the Air Freshner...
(there......Christmas pine scent even)
:-)
posted by psyche777 at 08:00 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
AC - your entire world seems to revolve around the people on tv...when I asked if you feel the same way about Dems and church campaigning (based upon your statement), your reaction is to say that the Dems don't have counterparts to the several religious people often featured in today's media.
What about here in Toledo? Several articles in the Blade talked about candidates campaigning in churches - where was your outrage then? I don't remember any.
So, you see, IMHO you're just anti-Republican and you prove your bias when you make excuses for democrats who do the same thing you complain about with republicans. Even given a golden opportunity to say that if Dems are campaigning in churches, it's wrong, you instead attacked specific leaders in the Christian area...
sad, really.
posted by intrepid at 08:02 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
But psyche, I actually like you.
All the Republicans I actually like are called RINOs by several people here.
I'd actually like a Colin Powell/John McCain ticket, please. Alas, it won't happen. I'll be stuck voting for the lesser of two evils yet again.
What about here in Toledo? Several articles in the Blade talked about candidates campaigning in churches - where was your outrage then? I don't remember any.
I don't look at the Blade often enough to see that sort of thing... and of course a certain wing says the Blade's nothing but liberal propaganda. So I shouldn't believe anything I read in it, right?
posted by anonymouscoward at 08:09 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
AC, I like you too, but I'm still spraying this thread down.
mmmm pine......
:-)
And intrepid is right, a certain Mayoral candidate spent a great deal of time in churches as well as some other local politicians as well. It's got to be both sides or it makes it a moot point. I know you are a Flying Spagetti Monster worshipper, and I'm Catholic but we have to start demanding the same behavior from both Democrats and Republicans and Independents. It hurts both of us when we let all sides continue to do this and only focus on "the other guys".
posted by psyche777 at 08:18 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
ps I hope you weren't calling me a RINO...
:-)
posted by psyche777 at 08:20 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
Pardon little 'ole me for stating the obvious did anyone else notice Civil Discourse the room right about the time when anonymous coward entered?
Thanks for reading this AC, and GOD BLESS YOU!
posted by Hooda_Thunkit at 09:01 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
I'm not sure how my user profile got into the mix here.
I don't think Republicans are better Christians than Democrats. But the wild-eyed liberals who populate the Howard Dean/Michael Moore wing of the party turn off voters when they denigrate Christianity.
I'm pretty sure God has little interest in American politics and doesn't endorse candidates.
As far as introducing religion into politics, I want to know the faith of a candidate. A person's faith is never a deciding factor for me, but it is a factor and I admire a candidate who professes his faith.
posted by MemyselfandI at 09:09 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
Ummm Me...
"People of faith are in the Democratic Party, including me," Dean declared.
Dean believes in God...I have no idea as to Michael Moore, I haven't cared enough to find out.
:-)
posted by psyche777 at 09:25 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
However I do agree with you that God has nothing to do with politics. That whole "free will" issue, though I'm sure at times he is shaking his head at our behavior.
:-)
posted by psyche777 at 09:26 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
How the heck did I get drawn into this?
posted by lloyd at 09:31 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
Hal Turner, the loudmouth racist who will be joining the NSM on Saturday, had this to say today about the incident:
I am proud to announce that a Kansas College Professor has become the first Christian Basher to be physically beaten for his derision of our beliefs. IT IS WISE TO BELIEVE THERE WILL BE MORE BEATINGS.
College professors, teachers, administrators, Boards of Education, Media personalities, Lawyers, Judges and politicians who attack Christianity, its beliefs, symbols or traditions should not be surprised if they receive the same treatment as was given to this professor: being physically, violently beaten.
We Christians are tired of being told to tolerate everyone else's beliefs, while ours are not tolerated. We have tried for years to battle this Anti-Christian Bigotry through words and the law. Both those methods have failed. We are now resorting to the use of force and violence.
Whether YOU are among those who are beaten is solely up to you. Leave Christianity alone and you will live in peace. Attack Christianity, it's symbols or traditions and you put yourself at personal risk of severe consequences. We are done talking.
If any of you know of any other people who need a beating over this issue kindly e-mail the details to me.
But hey, it's all about freedom of speech, right? Hal has the right to threaten violence to prevent speech he does not like?
posted by historymike at 09:32 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
Cuz we love you lloyd....
:-)
posted by psyche777 at 09:33 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
Even Hal Turner has certain rights, if he crosses the line then he should be dealt with as anyone should. If the two men that attacked that professor are caught (which I'm sure they will be) then they will be dealt with.
The right way...thru the legal system. Violence only begets more violence. It's not a solution.
posted by psyche777 at 09:36 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
Good answer...but I have a feeling that might not be it.
posted by lloyd at 09:43 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
Hey, I tried (specially since it wasn't me that brought you into it)
:-)
posted by psyche777 at 09:45 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
Thanks for your positivity. That is more that what I can say for other people
posted by lloyd at 09:45 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
I'm pretty sure (though I can't speak for Alexandra) that she feels the same way about you Lloyd,
We aren't always going to agree? But I respect your opinion very much.
(Even more when you agree with me)
:-)
posted by psyche777 at 09:57 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
Lloyd - Coward has attempted many times to turn this topic toward anything that does not refocus attention on his blatant FABRICATION. Given his past performance, I can only guess his intent was to bait others into responding to his thread on it's face, instead of actually reading the article.
Coward abused the truth a second time in this thread. After posting the joining dates of myself and others, Alexandra wrote:
PS - I have something else to add here. Who decided that joining ToledoTalk at an earlier date makes your comments superior, smarter, wiser or better? There are many legitimate reasons that someone may have joined after you.
To which coward replied:
I think some folks here need to bone up on their vocabulary as well. "Apropos to nothing" means "to the purpose of nothing".
What other purpose would coward have for writing n00bs (newbies) other than to insult the folks and their joining dates?
Coward exhibits passive-aggressive behavior on a regular basis, and his posts to this thread provide excellent examples.
posted by AirTrainer at 10:19 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
HistoryMike - I don't understand the reason for your post
While I see the value of discussing the topic, I don't see what it has to do with this thread.
posted by AirTrainer at 10:27 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
In the interest of finding something that AC and I can agree upon, I submit the following news story. I am pleased by it's timeliness, and that it can be viewed by everyone without political 'lenses' affecting anyone's understanding of the facts.
From the information presented in the article, can we determine whether or not the perpetrator was a witch? My answer is no, we can not. Despite the obscure nature of Theban as described by the victim, it seems to me that someone with an axe to grind against witches would be an equally likely suspect in this case. History records many instances of an enemy assuming the affectations of their opponent for the purpose of gaining a tactical advantage. It wouldn't be terribly hard to do. Here's a link to the Theban alphabet
Were I investigating this crime, I would be taking a hard look at witches, and those folks known to be anti-witch.
posted by AirTrainer at 10:54 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
Okay....I can't help it....
BEDEVERE: What makes you think she is a witch?
VILLAGER #3: Well, she turned me into a newt.
BEDEVERE: A newt?
VILLAGER #3: I got better.
posted by psyche777 at 11:06 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
Monty Python....nice work!
By the way psyche, I love the smell of pine. Very festive!
posted by AirTrainer at 11:19 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
Thanks AirTrainer, long time pine and Monty Python fan
I also hate fake Christmas trees...
:-)
posted by psyche777 at 11:21 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
I'm not real fond of fake Christmas trees, either. Last year we had one, but I couldn't argue the logic of it with my wife and in-laws. They had one spare, and we had none.
This year is different. Last year's poinsettias flourished during the summer, and now we have no room for a tree. It's a shame you can't hang anything on poinsettias; they're really delicate. Leaves drop off of them constantly.
posted by AirTrainer at 11:32 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
At least they don't smell like elderberries...
posted by historymike at 11:50 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
Are those nasty?
posted by AirTrainer at 11:52 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 06, 2005 #
hehehe - and hamsters!
:-)
posted by psyche777 at 12:25 A.M. EST on Wed Dec 07, 2005 #
Now Mike has figured out my hamster "fetish"
lmao
oohhhh Airtrainer must we make you watch Monty Python again?
Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!
posted by psyche777 at 12:27 A.M. EST on Wed Dec 07, 2005 #
Me so sorry!
Indeed, I must sit for another viewing!
posted by AirTrainer at 12:31 A.M. EST on Wed Dec 07, 2005 #
You best or we will turn you over to those at Castle Anthrax....
:-)
posted by psyche777 at 12:53 A.M. EST on Wed Dec 07, 2005 #
Okay - so now I KNOW that this is the right place for me...Monty Python and all.
I really hate it when I use MP references in every day conversations and people look at me strangely...I think there's something wrong with them!
thanks for the great laughs!
posted by intrepid at 08:42 A.M. EST on Wed Dec 07, 2005 #
I like Bruno's "poopiepants" comment. Maybe I'll change the gold bar at the top of the site to read, "garrulous propaganda funded by rare coin dealers with poopiepants."
posted by jr at 10:44 A.M. EST on Wed Dec 07, 2005 #
I'm a liberal, a christian and a Democtrat-what is up with the whole "liberals/Dems hate christians thing" or what ever it is. This really chaps my beautiful ass-and since this guy DID attack Christians on line-makes sense that "SO called" Christians attact him -had they really been lovers of jesus they would have not done this(THEY WOULD HAVE HELD HIS HAND AND SUNG KUMBYYAA or We are the World....)-so maybe airtrainer is right-in a twisted sort of way,but boy is he one angry son of a gun!-this is one of the silliest post I've ever read-wonder if Fred Phelps had anything to do with the attack he's the guy who showed up at Matthew SHepards Funeral with signs like "GOD HATED FAGS and AIDS CURES HOMOS....oh yes and he says he is a GOD FEARING CHRISTIAN and a Preacher too....WOW....
posted by divamom26 at 02:40 P.M. EST on Wed Dec 07, 2005 #
Right now, the only facts we have are that Milecki went to the hospital for minor injuries (scrapes and bruises), called the police from the hospital and then taught class later that day. There is some confusion as to where the alleged attack even took place. Also, the police have reduced the crime from aggravated assault which I guess is what happens when it is listed as a hate crime. In conclusion, we don't know a lot right now.
If the attack occurred as Milecki said, then I hope they quickly catch and severely punish the perpetrators. On the other hand, the story is pretty vague at the moment and somewhat suspicious.
posted by Terrahawk1 at 03:10 P.M. EST on Wed Dec 07, 2005 #
DM26 wrote, "...and since this guy DID attack Christians on line-makes sense that "SO called" Christians attact him...
Making sense and being factual are two different things. Did you read my first post to this thread or this one?
When you look at the original article concerning Mirecki, you have to separate what you know from what you assume.
**********************************************
You also wrote, "so maybe airtrainer is right-in a twisted sort of way".
What is twisted? Please be precise.
posted by AirTrainer at 06:25 P.M. EST on Wed Dec 07, 2005 #
I am the one who said that liberals are hostile to Christians, and they are. Many liberals hate Christians and Christian values.
This is not to say that all liberals are hostile nor to say that liberals are not Christians. I think many liberals are guided by Christian principles. The goals are Christian, but their secular means I think are wrong.
I agree that there was no Christian love in the hearts of the guys who attacked the college professor (I am suspicious as to whether the guy was actually attacked). A Christian practicing Christian principles would not have done this.
posted by MemyselfandI at 08:12 P.M. EST on Wed Dec 07, 2005 #
Airtrainer...you are a monty python fan....
You are twisted, face it (you are among much twisted company but that's beside the point)
Divamom, I had to stop laughing about your "beautiful ass comment to be able to post...
:-)
Yes me, there are liberals that hate Christians, there are also Republicans, Libertarians, etc. who are pretty anti Religion that I've come across. But I do agree with you that chances are if the two guys are caught? They aren't going to be what most of us would define as "Christians". As an example, someone like Hal Turner would not meet my definition of a Christian, neither would Fred Phelps. Trying to use God as some sort of an excuse for bad behavior doesn't make someone a Christian.
We get alot of flack over jerks like that so I think we all agree they don't provide anything positive.
posted by psyche777 at 10:11 P.M. EST on Wed Dec 07, 2005 #
JR (with nods to Bruno), I say you should add the 'poopiepants' part to the yellow header.
Psyche, yeah, you're right. DM26 - never mind.
MMandI, you hit the nail on the head. True Christians of this day DO NOT behave in the fashion of the assailants described in the original article of this thread.
posted by AirTrainer at 08:41 P.M. EST on Thu Dec 08, 2005 #
-AiR TRAINER-these people who did attack him(if it is true anyway) if they"claim " to be chritstian or really were chritsitans-and they did this-then you are right Airguy -they WERE NOT really christian because to do this is so anti-christian-or should I say anti "JESUS-so you are be right(but that is not what you were really saying-hense my world "twisted"-they were not Christian(JESUS was not violent)....GOT IT! AND
MEMYSELFANDI this whole "liberals hate Christians" is soo fucking old-what i hate as a LIBERAL CHristian is the "SO CALLED'Conservitive CHristians who are so full of hate and judgmental shit...the Fred Phelps of the christian world-and others like him(and their are plenty)-the phoney conservative CHristians on TV asking for MONEY (Benny Hinn) -the ones who build those monster churches to "PRAISE THE LORD",while people are starving on the street and homeless...the intolerant conservative christian bastards that are so opposite of what Jesus was they if Jesus was here now he would weep-now I don't know much ,but i do know from what I "THINK" I"ve read in the bible that JESUS was a man of peace......PEACE,,,not a war mongering liar like that piece of shit in the WHite house now and his buddies and not a pussy hound and a liar like the one before-I guess I'm not sounding too christ like myself now either-I'm human and make mistakes,but I try to be a good person- but it chapps my BEAUTIFULL ASS(that was for you know who) when the MEMYSELFANDI's of the world hate on us LIBERALS-JESUS WAS A LIBERAL-THAT IS WHY HE WAS KILLEd- -he would not play their games!....
posted by divamom26 at 10:10 P.M. EST on Sat Dec 10, 2005 #
Divamom,
Are you so uneducated and illiterate that you cannot express yourself without over-the-top profanity?
I don't think Jesus was a liberal. I'm pretty sure He is pro-life. I'm pretty sure he'd be against the marginilization of religion in America.
Not all liberals hate Christians. Just enough to turn off voters. People like you who bash Christians with rather foul language and uncouth only help the cause of the Republican Party. So on behalf of the GOP, thank you.
posted by MemyselfandI at 12:34 P.M. EST on Sun Dec 11, 2005 #
Selfish,
Nice attack against divamom. Very Christian of you.
I was unaware that being pro-choice was a requirement of being liberal. Thank you for whipping out yet another logical fallacy.
Somehow, I don't think Jesus would give a damn about your so-called "marginilization of religion". I don't recall Jesus telling people to worship him.
For a so-called "Christian", you are really quick on ignoring that Jesus guy's words about turning the other cheek, aren't you?
It's the rabid fanatical "Christians" like you who piss all over almost everything Jesus said and taught.
posted by anonymouscoward at 06:52 P.M. EST on Sun Dec 11, 2005 #
People like you who bash Christians with rather foul language and uncouth only help the cause of the Republican Party. So on behalf of the GOP, thank you.
So you're saying the GOP is the Christian Party?
Yes or no answer, please.
posted by anonymouscoward at 06:54 P.M. EST on Sun Dec 11, 2005 #
No.
posted by MemyselfandI at 06:56 P.M. EST on Sun Dec 11, 2005 #
I really get sick and tired of people who profess to not practice a religion telling those who do how it should be done.
I also get really tired of people using only PART of Christ's teachings to supposedly reinforce a particular position.
The same people who say that Jesus wouldn't support going to war also tend to defend the right of a woman to practice abortion as a form of birth control.
You can't have it both ways...and it seems so many people want just that.
Why not just stop? You can tell true Christians by the way they live their entire life - not just on their position on a single subject. And their actions speak louder than their words.
A/C - aren't you the one who believes in the flying spaghetti monster? What do you really care if a Christian doesn't turn the other cheek? It seems to me that only God would be keeping track and He offers forgiveness....
posted by intrepid at 07:05 P.M. EST on Sun Dec 11, 2005 #
I didn't attack Divamom. I asked her to refrain from profanity. My son reads this site. I'd expect a better example from a "teacher" but I'm guessing she's a union steward.
I think Jesus is an poltical independent.
I think Jesus did call people to worship him. "Come, I'll make you a fisher of men."
The radical left is hostile to Christians. It is reflected in the polls. Peoople think of the Republican Party as the party of traditional values. It sure is hell isn't because the Republican party exhibits Christian values. You figure it out.
I'm actually not what you would probably consider a member of the Christian right. I'm pro-gay marriage. I miss more church than I attend and if you talk to me, you'll find that I'm fairly profane in the company of adults.
posted by MemyselfandI at 07:06 P.M. EST on Sun Dec 11, 2005 #
A/C - aren't you the one who believes in the flying spaghetti monster? What do you really care if a Christian doesn't turn the other cheek? It seems to me that only God would be keeping track and He offers forgiveness....
That's Flying Spaghetti Monster, with a capital FSM... unless you don't care if I don't capitalize the G in God and J in Jesus.
Wow, someone finally gave me the straight line.
Okay...
...assuming the Christian God exists, and assuming He is capable of forgiveness,
... and assuming that God has an ineffable Plan, or to state it another way, no one knows the Mind of God,
...then no Christian should be telling me how I'm going to burn in Hell for refusing to believe in Jesus Christ, or God Himself, and no Christian should stand for the name of God to be tied to the political affairs of man, a la "In God We Trust" and "One Nation Under God", because those proclamations purport to know the nature of God's mind.
posted by anonymouscoward at 07:49 P.M. EST on Sun Dec 11, 2005 #
WE Christians come to know God through the Bible and through prayer. Do I know his mind? no. In God I trust and I hope we're one nation under God. As I said, I believe as Ronald Reagan did that America is the Shining City on the Hill.
Your are apparently and agnostic or atheist. That is ok. I can't and won't tell you that you should worship my God or Jesus Christ. You either will or you won't. Will you go to Hell for it? I don't know. I hope not.
posted by MemyselfandI at 10:29 P.M. EST on Sun Dec 11, 2005 #
The same people who say that Jesus wouldn't support going to war also tend to defend the right of a woman to practice abortion as a form of birth control.
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Yep. Just as many who are pro-life/anti-abortion are for the death penalty. Hypocrites on all sides.
posted by Foolkiller at 12:58 A.M. EST on Mon Dec 12, 2005 #
coward,
You make it so very easy...I don't even know why you post.
... and assuming that God has an ineffable Plan, or to state it another way, no one knows the Mind of God
God has a plan for each of us, and in a larger sense, for all of hunanity. We know a great deal about his plan, but not the whole plan. How could God grant the gift of free choice to his children and simultaneously reveal the whole of his plan?
What we do know is that it is PERFECT. None of us are perfect beings, and by definition, cannot hope to know the whole of God's plan.
God does exist, and is the source of all forgiveness.
No one here has told you that you are going to burn in hell. That is for you to decide.
Welcome to free choice!
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You wrote, "I was unaware that being pro-choice was a requirement of being liberal..
Here's a little newsflash...Pro-abortionists are overwhelmingly liberal in their political persuasion. If you really want to argue this point, be prepared to wallow in ENDLESS LINKS AND QUOTATIONS.
You wrote, "For a so-called "Christian", you are really quick on ignoring that Jesus guy's words about turning the other cheek, aren't you?
It seems that for a so-called FSM follower, lacking any sort of doctrine, you are pretty quick to point the finger at others.
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DM26,
My focus in this thread has been to highlight the difference between what is, and is not, known to the reading public with respect to this article. At NO TIME has it been established that Christians of any persuasion (liberal, conservative, or otherwise) were known to be responsible for the assault on the professor.
My distinction between actual Christians and wannabe Christians only came along later. If you are willing to accept that the devil is the source of all hate, and that Jesus is the source of all love, and that the bible has stated that many false prophets will come to lead others to sin, I hope that you will put Fred Phelps and Benny Hinn in proper perspective.
posted by AirTrainer at 03:15 A.M. EST on Mon Dec 12, 2005 #
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2005/dec/10/professor_blasts_ku_sheriffs_investigation/?city_local
Okay, Mirecki is starting to sound a bit like a nutjob here.
On the other hand, I don't understand why the cops would feel the need to seize his computer and his car. That sounds to be a bit excessive.
posted by anonymouscoward at 12:22 P.M. EST on Mon Dec 12, 2005 #
Holy schnikeys!!!
AC wrote, "On the other hand, I don't understand why the cops would feel the need to seize his computer and his car. That sounds to be a bit excessive.
I AGREE.
posted by AirTrainer at 10:18 P.M. EST on Tue Dec 13, 2005 #
Holy schnikeys!!!
AC wrote, "On the other hand, I don't understand why the cops would feel the need to seize his computer and his car. That sounds to be a bit excessive.
I AGREE.
posted by AirTrainer
Who are you and what have you done with the real AirTrainer?
Or should I call my broker and tell him to buy heavily in winter-weather-supply companies, as Satan's going to be announcing a serious investment tomorrow?
posted by anonymouscoward at 01:00 A.M. EST on Wed Dec 14, 2005 #
No, no, hell will continue to be as hot as ever.
I can't explain how it happened. But, yes, we have agreed on something. While it remains likely that we will disagree on different things in the future, I at least know that agreement is possible. That's fine by me.
posted by AirTrainer at 09:36 P.M. EST on Wed Dec 14, 2005 #
wow. did somebody piss in your cheerios you guys? Chill out, and take a time out. All this name calling......................
posted by starling02 at 11:26 P.M. EST on Thu Dec 29, 2005 #
I think if they must teach intelligent design in schools, the only fair, practical thing to do, would be to designate part of the class to world religions, and then explore ALL possiblities, evolution, creationism, etc. Fact is, Christians, Muslims... so many different religions...I think it is insulting to other religions to teach by Christian standards/beliefs. And not everybody believes in God. Every Christian I know says that they know God is real, and presume to know what he'd think/want/did. Fact is, nobody can prove that. Just a look at the timelines of fossils, etc., the age of the earth, remains found, etc. and compare that to the Biblical timeline (yes I know about old Earth and New Earth, etc.) There is proof of human life thousands of years, before the Biblical timeline. Not looking into an arguement, or discussion of what is true or not here, that is a futile end, because nobody can prove a lot of it, and religious people tend to go on faith alone, they believe, because they believe. And it is not my place to dispute anybody's beliefs, and I am not schooled enough to do so. All I am saying is, a class like that, should be just a basic exploration of possiblities. But it has to also discuss the different world religions as well, or it will be skewed towards Christianity alone. Kids need to be aware of the different beliefs of other religions, when and how they believe life began, (and each religion has extremely different timelines of when life began). It should not be a religion class, but one like UT teaches, the basics. And then, pursue the rest of it. But God, and intelligent design cannot be proved, or disproved. I am not a religious person at all, agnostic at best. But I don't buy into most of it. To teach creationism based upon Christianity standards (adam and eve, and God made the world), may simply not jive with other religious beliefs.
posted by starling02 at 12:39 A.M. EST on Wed Jan 25, 2006 #
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