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    June 2, 2006

Buckeye Cable vs. WJBK (Fox 2 Detroit)? - If you go to channel 52 on your Buckeye Cable Digital (or analog) cable box, there is a blue screen with a repeating message concerning "negotiations" between Buckeye and WJBK Fox 2 Detroit and not having WJBK's consent to broadcast the channel. Anybody know anything about that? I just turned to channel 52 no more than 4 days ago, so I wonder what is really going on!
posted by MrsPhoenix to media at 3:58 P.M. EST     (48 Comments)

tags:   BuckeyeCableSystem   BlockCommunications  

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Comments ...


Buckeye, whom I've twice applied at and twice not been hired at, does indeed need consent to carry non-local broadcast channels, just like they need consent to carry CNN and MTV and the other cable channels. Consent usually being a contract in which they pay for the right to carry, except possibly in the case of shopping channels, which may pay to be carried.

Sometimes the channel or its parent company want too much, or they want to package retransmission consent with other channels (ABC-Disney's ESPN suite is nasty about this), and a cable or satellite company will discover they have balls instead of taking the shaft from the company and raising everyone's bill by 30%, so you can end up with the content company running crawls on their feed to the host berating the cable/satellite people and telling viewers to call the cable/satellite company and beg them not to pull the channel... and then the cable/satellite people cover up those crawls and run "this channel wants to jack up your cable bill, call them" crawls... it can even come down to one side or the other pulling the signal to piss off the maximum number of people.

Some years ago Time Warner I think got into it with ABC over ESPN, and since Toledo's ABC station is owned and operated by ABC (as opposed to some other company like Sinclair), they pulled 13ABC off the air as well.

WJBK is a FOX owned and operated station, so if they get hard-line, FOX could (probably in theory) start pulling all the FOX channels off... mind you I'd have a drink in celebration at the thought of tens of thousands of Toledoans being free of the Fox News brainwashing.

posted by anonymouscoward at 05:29 P.M. EST on Fri Jun 02, 2006     #



That is interesting stuff. How is a cable providers rate determined? I thought it was based on the number of subscribers, which means that Buckeye would need demand from a significant proportion of those subscribers to warrant the cost.

52 is good for an occasional Seinfeld rerun, but I can't say I have ever watched it much. I have always wondered why Buckeye never carried Detroit's channel 4 or 20. 20 always has a cool mix of reruns.

posted by nick44 at 08:22 P.M. EST on Fri Jun 02, 2006     #



???? They do carry channel 4 Detroit. It's #54 on the digital box, I don't know what it is on regular cable, but I'm sure it's there. The only thing that pisses me off about WJBK (2) is-I used to watch their morning news, which I thought was great. There's a very bleak period between 7 am and 9am. Channel 2 continues their local news during that period, and Kam Carmen, the one female 'third' anchor, (unless she's filling in)is extremely easy on the eyes-as is the hottest weatherbabe I've seen in years, Jackie Page. Jackie is my candidate for the most beautiful overweight woman in the history of television. Even has big hair (hubba hubba). Back to a serious note-our bills damn well better go down if they don't get these channels back-and soon. Either that, or replace them with something. How many 'necklace networks' do we have? Or religious channels? Or weather? There's a TON of duplicity with Block's cable co.
posted by Darkseid at 09:02 P.M. EST on Fri Jun 02, 2006     #



You're right. I was thinking of channel 7.
posted by nick44 at 09:49 P.M. EST on Fri Jun 02, 2006     #



You know... the funny thing about this, is this. I usually watch later at night midnight to 2am. The two days prior to the blue screen going on, it went to blue screen both nights for a half hour midnight-12:30am (King of the Hill).

Buckeye used to carry channel 7 out of Detroit too.

posted by EKProductions at 11:13 P.M. EST on Fri Jun 02, 2006     #



Channel seven is still on there, too!! ??!!???
Number 51 on the digital box.
Oh, and here is the obligatory pic of the luscious Jackie.


posted by Darkseid at 01:31 A.M. EST on Sat Jun 03, 2006     #



"Buckeye, whom I've twice applied at and twice not been hired at..."

You wouldnt like it there. The NOC "Network Operations Control", where all the techies live, is full of those evil conservatives. They even just recently sent the liberal-beloved Teamsters packing when they tried to unionize the NOC.

Seeing as how you cant even reply to a post about the local cable TV without your liberal hatred oozing out, Im guessing it's dripping from you during interviews as well. Employers pick up on that stuff.

posted by billy at 06:09 A.M. EST on Sat Jun 03, 2006     #



I happend to have nothing better to do yesterday, so I called Buckeye. Was told by the Customer Service Representative that they are in negotiations. I asked for a discount on my bill since I was not getting what I'm paying for. The CSR stated that the "supervisors" are compiling a list of customers with such a request and will be making a decision on that matter at a later date.

I have lived in several other states with different cable systems. Buckeye Cable is by far and away the Worst cable system I have ever experienced in terms of programming and such. I will say however, that their Customer Service Representatives are by far the best.

posted by ebcsizi at 07:59 A.M. EST on Sat Jun 03, 2006     #



Now here's something that will age native Toledoans. Who remembers that Channel 20, WXON, was the flagship "cable" service afforded Toledo back in the way early 80's by a service called "ON", if I recall. It was what inspired Buckeye Cable to get off their asses and do something, then Central City Cable came in and laid 3 billion miles of obsolete cable.

Then I found about chicks weed and booze and that ended my TV viewing, except for Miami Vice on Fridays, for 10 years.

Extra Bonus Point: How was the "ON" service received?

posted by BrianInFlorida at 09:09 A.M. EST on Sat Jun 03, 2006     #



Well ebcsizi I sure want to thank you. I did the exact same thing and also rec'd a nice Customer Service Rep. (about 99% of the time, the Reps. have been great). My name has been added to this growing list.
posted by MrsPhoenix at 01:31 P.M. EST on Sat Jun 03, 2006     #



"Seeing as how you cant even reply to a post about the local cable TV without your liberal hatred oozing out"---Billy, earlier post



I thought the same thing and then I wondered, "where have I seen this before?"
Then I remembered, the same attitude by conservatives during Bill Clinton's eight years. Funny how that all works, how it all comes around again.

posted by McCaskey at 04:24 P.M. EST on Sat Jun 03, 2006     #



thank you for the unprovoked personal attack, billy.

fuck off and die in a fire. your obvious hatred towards myself, someone who just wants to buckle down and work and not screw around with a whole pile of corporate politics and niceities is noted. I don't care to self-promote, I don't care to ego-stroke, I just want to fix the problem and move on to the next one. And it's too bad I can't find an employer willing to utilize my skills and talents to the max.

posted by anonymouscoward at 05:23 P.M. EST on Sat Jun 03, 2006     #



Call Michael Moore - he can always use a profane hate filled hack.
posted by billy at 07:50 P.M. EST on Sat Jun 03, 2006     #



we need a BuckeyeCablesucks.com website *sigh*
posted by MrsPhoenix at 10:39 P.M. EST on Sat Jun 03, 2006     #



Brian, you must be the first person I could find who will admit to the existence of "ON". Even people who I knew had cable back then, and know damn well they remember, refuse to admit any knowledge. I thought I was going crazy there for a while.
posted by nick44 at 11:27 P.M. EST on Sat Jun 03, 2006     #



The earlist thing about local cable I can remember is Channel 100. First premium/movie channel we had, I think.
posted by Darkseid at 12:09 A.M. EST on Sun Jun 04, 2006     #



Call Michael Moore - he can always use a profane hate filled hack.
posted by billy

POT. KETTLE. BLACK.

posted by anonymouscoward at 02:55 A.M. EST on Sun Jun 04, 2006     #



nick, for them to even THINK about having cable, they HAD to have had "ON" first.

There was no cables on power poles back in the late 70's. Toledo didn't get cable until CCC got a bunch of trucks and hung cable all over town. I remember watching them, and even then it was no guarantee that service would be provided to your neighborhood.

Unfortunately, "ON" was the only "cable" service Toledo had access to. Off of a little independant "XXXXXXXXX" TV station out of Detroit.

posted by BrianInFlorida at 04:02 A.M. EST on Sun Jun 04, 2006     #



I have lived in several other states with different cable systems. Buckeye Cable is by far and away the Worst cable system I have ever experienced in terms of programming and such. I will say however, that their Customer Service Representatives are by far the best.

I guess if you were trying to sell somebody a turd, you would want the best customer representatives possible to try and polish it up. If the local blockhead’s service isn’t meeting your expectations, I would suggest you check out Dish Network.

posted by mike2004 at 07:52 A.M. EST on Sun Jun 04, 2006     #



I did and had it installed within the last week. It's cheaper, better and alot more offerings on their packages.
posted by katie82640 at 09:42 A.M. EST on Mon Jun 05, 2006     #



I work at Buckeye. I love working for Buckeye. I make less than I did in my previous field but the benefits are good and the treatment of employees exceeds any employer I've ever come across.

Buckeye CableSystem and TeleSystem employs and supports over 600 empoyees and their families. They are very into Equal Opportunity Employment. They are contributing to the economy of this area...are you? Or are some of you simply snubbing Buckeye because of the Block family?
Many of you have stated how great the CS Reps are. You might want to mention that in your letters. I can guarantee you that not of the employees of a DISH network give a damn about you or our fair city.

Whatever happened to supporting your local businesses? so the programming could be better - do something about it instead of bitching and write in to them! Jeesh.

posted by SillyWabbit at 01:11 P.M. EST on Mon Jun 05, 2006     #



I have lived in several other states with different cable systems. Buckeye Cable is by far and away the Worst cable system I have ever experienced in terms of programming and such.

You've obviously never dealt with the corporate clusterf*ck known as Charter Communications. When I was a customer, they didn't carry Comedy Central, ESPN2, or the History Channel. And that was in 2002. For two years I was told that cable modem service was "six months away." A friend told me they finally introduced the service in 2004.

posted by thenick at 01:30 P.M. EST on Mon Jun 05, 2006     #



*grabs Elmer Fudd's shotgun and shoots SillyWabbit in the ass*

Glad to see you "love working for Buckeye", but since my monthly payments to your employer ultimately pays YOU, get off this blog and get back to work!

posted by MrsPhoenix at 01:36 P.M. EST on Mon Jun 05, 2006     #



Or are some of you simply snubbing Buckeye because of the Block family? sillywabbit

Yes.

You chose to work for them - did you know a tthe time that it was owned by one of the most unpopular companies in the area?

If so - then don't blame anybody else.

Good customer service cannot overcome what I've seen the Blocks do with their newspaper.

Nothing could.

posted by katie82640 at 01:47 P.M. EST on Mon Jun 05, 2006     #



FYI this is one of my days off MRS P. Thanks for being such a sweet old lady.

If I were a rude, nasty person such as yourself, I might say something like this - "Speaking of getting back to work, what are you doing today? I've already cut and trim the yard, gone shopping and taken my mother in law out to lunch. Have you even taken a shower today?"

Seriously folks, Buckeye Cable supports this community more than some of the other big employers. They provide you with service that is satisfation guaranteed. If you need repairs on their service, its covered at no extra charge. Can Toledo Edison, Columbia Gas, SBC/AT&T say that? Or even DISH? Good luck finding someone to listen to you at any time of the day or night 7 days a week, 365 days a year.

One stupid channel (52) isn't on and you all find a reason to bitch. I'm sorry, but wah wah. I doubt that DISh will give you Detroit channels for nothing extra.

I'm not a mean person. If I come off that way here, you're reading it wrong. Lighten up a little on Buckeye, OK? Do some thinking about it and how ALL of their employees live and work here in Toledo (and Toledo area)....we might even live right next door to you. :)

posted by SillyWabbit at 01:47 P.M. EST on Mon Jun 05, 2006     #



We don't receive the stupid Blade either. Buckeye cable is run differently and by a different Block brother. He's not the ass that JR Block is. Well, he's strange, but he's not John Robinson Block.

Also remember, the Blocks are paying me....I'm not paying them.

posted by SillyWabbit at 01:50 P.M. EST on Mon Jun 05, 2006     #



" but since my monthly payments to your employer ultimately pays YOU, get off this blog and get back to work! "

Wow! does that mean that nobody from the Telephone company, the cell phone company, the gas company, the electric company, the police, the fire, teachers, councilmen... Are allowed to post either?

What about county commissioners? Are you going to tell Maggie she cant post either?

posted by billy at 05:02 P.M. EST on Mon Jun 05, 2006     #



Silly Wabbit - you make a very valid point that Buckeye Cable is run by a different person than the Blade. I'm not sure many people in the area realize that...despite the fact that both media organizations are owned by Block Communication which has a board of directors.


Block Communications, Inc. Company Profile (from Yahoo Finance)

Block Communications Incorporated (BCI) is hardly the new kid on the block. The company has owned and operated Toledo, Ohio's newspaper, "The Blade," since 1926 and the "Pittsburgh Post-Gazette" since 1927. BCI also owns a handful of broadcast TV stations, Ohio cable service provider Buckeye CableSystem, a security company (Corporate Protection Services), and other operations. Block family patriarch Paul Block launched the family fortune when he bought "The Blade" for $4.5 million in 1926. A year later he bought the "Post-Gazette." After his death in 1941, Block's sons took over the family-owned business. BCI bought "Post-Gazette" rival "The Press" from Scripps Howard in 1992 and discontinued the paper.

Key People
• Chairman: Allan J. Block
• President: David G. Huey
• VP and CFO: Gary J. Blair


From the BCI website:

Generations Of Media Experience

Paul Block emigrated from Germany to upstate New York in 1885, and began in the newspaper business as a young man in Elmira, NY, and later in New York City. In 1900, he left a secure job to form his own ad rep firm which sold national advertising for client newspapers. By 1927 he was publisher of 11 newspapers located in such cities as New York City, Newark, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Detroit, Toledo, and Memphis. Though the Depression of the 1930s took away many of his assets, at the time of his death in 1941, he still had the rep firm and three newspapers, one in Pittsburgh and two in Toledo.

His two sons, Paul, Jr., and William, and the next two generations of Blocks and their employees would build upon those assets to develop the Block Communications, Inc. of today – a privately owned diversified media company.

The Post-Gazette and The Blade of Toledo were acquired in 1926 and 1927 respectively; Buckeye Cablevision, Inc., was started in 1965, and Erie County Cablevision was acquired in 1981. In broadcast TV, BCI acquired WLIO in 1972, WDRB in 1984, KTRV in 1985, two-thirds of WAND in 2000, and WFTE in 2001. A construction firm, Metro Fiber & Cable Construction, was started in 1994, and Buckeye Telesystem, Inc., was started in 1997. The company acquired CPS, a home security firm in Toledo, in 1998.

posted by MaggieThurber at 05:21 P.M. EST on Mon Jun 05, 2006     #



I agree 100% with Katie's post. Sorry-but no one who works for the blockheads has my sympathy on anything. They have a nearly complete media stranglehold on this town, and all the tv stations are afraid to piss them off, as well. I've got absolutely nothing against working people,but saying "Buying local" doesn't cut it, since their bosses have always kept the competition out. Things are VERY slowly finally starting to change...but too slowly for me and many others. And I think the other poster was just being witty, not serious. Some here take every damned comment to heart, without realizing some of us actually have a sense of humor left-although in these times, it's becoming more difficult to keep one.
posted by Darkseid at 06:36 P.M. EST on Mon Jun 05, 2006     #



You guys are hilarious -

First, last time I checked, this was TO-LEE-DOH!! Land of the shittiest employment rate in the state! You work where you can find it!!

THEN - you say you hate the company, but love the people who work for it - that is until one of them post out here - then it's sit down and shut up if a different opinion than yours is given?

LOL!! That's diversity!! Democrat style!!

posted by billy at 06:47 P.M. EST on Mon Jun 05, 2006     #



I'm not a dimocrat-or a republicant. I have no use whatsoever for either party, as they've both become worthless. And-I didn't say what you said i did. I SAID-I basically had nothing against working people-BUT=sorry, I couldn't feel a bit of sympathy for anyone who worked for the block family. I just can't. Not after watching what the family has done to toledo (actually, most of Northwest Ohio) over the years with their obsessive control. If that makes me a villain in your eyes, TOO....BAD. I heard Al Capone, Lucky Luciano, Dutch Schultz,Frank Nitti, and a lot of other folks did their part and supplied a lot of jobs years ago during the great depression. You work where you can find it, I guess.
posted by Darkseid at 07:42 P.M. EST on Mon Jun 05, 2006     #



I never posted that I loved the employees - I feel bad for them actually.

Good info Maggie.....thanks.

A large part of the employment issue we have here is an image problem. You don't see how the Blade's love you so we'll print good stuff about you and we hate you so we're going to look till we get something on you attitude might have hurt the city's image?

Because I sure think so. We've got our own pr engine downtown and it isn't singing the praises of Toledo.

The last paper I bought, shortly after moving here some years ago I thought to myself if I don't find one decent thing in here, one positive story of any kind, I'll never buy another paper.

Still haven't bought another paper.

posted by katie82640 at 09:50 P.M. EST on Mon Jun 05, 2006     #



I said it once but I guess I have to say it again - The BLADE and BUCKEYE are run independently of one another. One has NOTHING to do with the other except the last name of the family that owns them.

The employees that work at Buckeye have NOTHING to do with the Blade. We go to work, we make the pretty pictures show up on your tv sets and give you high speed internet, deliver your email, we go home.

The self-righteous attitudes expressed here on this forum are unsurpassed. Tell me, do you investigate and use such discretion on all of your purchases? Do you know who owns the company of the toothpaste you buy and look into his political history or his brothers?

You hate the way Toledo Edison rapes us monthly but you're not running out and buying generators or building water wheels to generate your own electricity.

Or even better - you continue to buy gasoline. Who do you think we get that from? It aint your grandma! :)

Sorry to be so harsh here, but some of you are some real Self-Righteous Hypocrites.

posted by SillyWabbit at 05:19 A.M. EST on Tue Jun 06, 2006     #



Wow! This post is full of 'differences of opinion' and some pretty colorful ones at that!

The Blade and Buckeye Cable are two very different companies. The contrast between JR and Alan Block is a sharp one, as well.

JR controls Toledo from Pittsburgh with an agenda that is suspect, at best. He's antagonistic, self centered, insecure, and suffering from "Napoleon Syndrome." (My opinion only)

Alan is the opposite. While he's a businessman he is fairer, more secure in himself - but he does have a company to run, and for years placed his home phone # on the cable bills so that he could be contacted if a customer was unhappy. Not sure if he has continued this practice or not.

When these men inherited this empire Alan wanted to be the #1 man, but JR threw a tantrum and won the seat. Alan had two choices - succumb to #2 or get bought out by his brother. Think about the problems THAT would have created.

I won't condemn Buckeye or its' employees because they are owned and operated by a Block. No more than I will degrade a Blade worker over his employer. We all have to work. It's the bane of human existence. Both organizations have some really good people working for them.

We have had Buckeye Cable (TV, Internet and Phone) for ages (phone since it was available). We don't have ANY problems with the service. I'm not going to deny myself what I believe to be a good service just because I don't like the guy who heads the company. If he showed up at my door then we would have a different conversation.

The Block brothers are total opposites. To condemn an entire company and its' employees because of JR's behavior doesn't make sense to me.

OK - I'm going to pad myself with pillows now and await the blasting.


PS - I don't like oil companies, but I have to have gas. I don't like Edison or Columbia Gas but I have to have these amenities. I'm not fond of lots of things, but unless I'm willing to live in a primitive society I will bite the bullet and indulge in the services of companies/businesses that are not managed in a way that suits me. That's life.

posted by DoknowDocare at 06:50 A.M. EST on Tue Jun 06, 2006     #



a. sillywabbit that's a pretty far stretch from I don't buy a paper because I disagree with the political bias in it to building a water wheel to generate electricity? The basic difference is that purchasing cable, papers and internet service are elective.

Having gas to heat your home, run your car or electricity for our lights are decisions that are largely outside of my control. And building a water wheel or going without food or lights is not elective.

b. doknow - that's good to know. Yes most of the storied that I heard have been about the one brother that runs the papers.

I feel that the Blade has done more to damage Toledo than any other factor I can think of.

I've been here for a few years - so instead of calling someone a hypocrite for buying gasoline, electricity or I don't know what all was thrown in there - if there's a difference in quality in the two family members someone should point it out. Making a familial association isn't hypocrisy - its normal human reasoning.

And lastly - I didn't 'research' anything. The bias of that paper is evident in every issue I've ever seen. They're the ones that are advertising. Don't blame me for having had the sense to pick up on it and make a family association.

If the one brother doesn’t want to be tainted by the public activities of his brother – he had ought to do something to communicate that.

posted by katie82640 at 08:02 A.M. EST on Tue Jun 06, 2006     #



"The BLADE and BUCKEYE are run independently of one another. One has NOTHING to do with the other ..."

I don't know about that "nothing" claim. It appears that Buckeye props up the Blade. The Blade lose money every year.

From a February 2004 WSPD story:

"More talk about selling the Toledo Blade, and this time it comes from the Blade's managing director Alan Block, who in a letter to the employes says the attitude that the "Block's will never sell the Blade" is "unrealistic" because of current market pressures which could force a sale to a large chain."

"Alan Block says in that letter, that the "days are over" when one division, the cablevision division which he runs, will send profits to rescue the other and the Blade hasn't turned a profit since the early 1980's. Block informed the employes in that letter that the Blade "isn't healthy" and that no job will be secure until it is."

posted by jr at 08:13 A.M. EST on Tue Jun 06, 2006     #



Buckeye CableSystem and TeleSystem employs and supports over 600 empoyees and their families. They are very into Equal Opportunity Employment. They are contributing to the economy of this area...are you? Or are some of you simply snubbing Buckeye because of the Block family?
Many of you have stated how great the CS Reps are. You might want to mention that in your letters. I can guarantee you that not of the employees of a DISH network give a damn about you or our fair city.

Maybe i like dish network because they don't give a damn. If dish network doesn't give a damn, why would they try to run the city?

posted by mike2004 at 09:12 A.M. EST on Tue Jun 06, 2006     #



I like my buckeye cable, the only thing i dont like about it is in order to get the miltary channel, i have to have a box and the digital service and thats an extra 10 bucks a month. now one thing that i love about buckeye cable which in my opinion is very unlike many other companies is that if you get behind on your bill usually all you have to do is call them and let them know and they wont shut you off. ANd i also agree about the customer service reps, they are usually very friendly. another thing i like is that i can drive over to navarre avenue and pay my bill in person, (or even just part of my bill - hehehe)
posted by tm at 11:46 A.M. EST on Tue Jun 06, 2006     #



The Blade is published in the city of Toledo, which is part of Lucas County.
I see people here don't buy the paper because of its "political" views. I assume that to mean it's too liberal, not conservative enough, whatever. It's true, the Blade usually sides with issues with a left-of-center viewpoint.
Toledo and Lucas County have voted overwhelmingly Democratic on most issues in most elections since the dawn of time, as far as I know.
Perhaps it's the people who don't agree with the Blade's "politics" who should move away, since you're living and working and paying taxes in such a hotbed of liberalism.
You could always move to Texas.

posted by McCaskey at 12:39 P.M. EST on Tue Jun 06, 2006     #



"Perhaps it's the people who don't agree with the Blade's "politics" who should move away, since you're living and working and paying taxes in such a hotbed of liberalism."

So with you its not "if you dont like the music, just change the channel", Its "if you dont like the music, move out of the state"?

Again - diversity, democrat style...

posted by billy at 03:49 P.M. EST on Tue Jun 06, 2006     #



Billy....it was meant to be tongue in cheek...it's too warm today to take things so seriously...

I mean, if you don't like Texas (talk about hot), there's always Utah, Nebraska, Indiana....


It's not like you to complain like a whiny Liberal...

posted by McCaskey at 04:00 P.M. EST on Tue Jun 06, 2006     #





Thank tm for the nice comments about Buckeye.
If I had the clout, I'd give you six months free service.

posted by SillyWabbit at 06:26 P.M. EST on Tue Jun 06, 2006     #



"Perhaps it's the people who don't agree with the Blade's "politics" who should move away," McCaskey.

Haven't you heard? We are. In droves.

posted by katie82640 at 10:07 P.M. EST on Tue Jun 06, 2006     #



my apologies McCaskey - musta had a wild hair the other night.

and no, Im not going to move away, things here are just to fun to watch - even tho you're right that "Toledo and Lucas County have voted overwhelmingly Democratic on most issues in most elections since the dawn of time."

That's so true, yet they have their party in such a shambles, they've elected a mayor who once ran as a republican, and we somehow ended up with a republican council president!

All too funny!

posted by billy at 08:57 A.M. EST on Wed Jun 07, 2006     #



No apologies needed, Billy.
I think Toledo and NW Ohio area is a great place to live and raise a family. Certainly, there's room for improvement but there's a ton of stuff to do (unless, say, you're 25 and single and that's why some people are moving away) and the cost of living, compared to most parts of the country, is simply unbeatable.

posted by McCaskey at 11:19 A.M. EST on Wed Jun 07, 2006     #



Hi Katie--(blowing kisses your way; see how nice I can be?)

Katie--I don't know of anyone who moved away simply because of the Blade's "politics". They might be young and this town may not be "exciting" enough. They may have changed jobs and had to relocate. They may simply want to live where the weather's better.

posted by McCaskey at 11:23 A.M. EST on Wed Jun 07, 2006     #



"the cost of living, compared to most parts of the country, is simply unbeatable. "

Unless of course you choose to live 5 min north of us in michigan where their utilities are a third of what ours are (gas and power anyway)

and yeah, Im thinkin' about it...

posted by billy at 11:40 A.M. EST on Wed Jun 07, 2006     #



Billy, don't move, I know how much you enjoy commenting on Toledo city politics (LOL).

I have a nephew who moved to Boston and paid $575,000 for a "fixer-upper." And that's common there and many in other places. Utilities are arguably too high here; First Energy is not our friend. I still say we got alot of bang for our buck around here.

posted by McCaskey at 12:51 P.M. EST on Wed Jun 07, 2006     #



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