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Bush and his secret spys - What do we need LAWS like the Patriot Act for ? when Bush sends his secret spies out on the american public when ever he feels like it. they say they only look at people when there is intelligence worth investigating. well he lost all credibility when he used that same faulty argument to go to war. and didnt he admit this week that his intelligence gatherers gave him bad advise then. whats changed. nothing as far as i can tell. this administration has lied cheated and stealed and bent the laws and put their own spin on everything the possibly could. why.... to protect us from the made up global war on terror. the latest version of the cold war. a justification to spend tons of cash and stomp on our liberites.
posted by Angrysage to commentary at 11:57 A.M. EST     (8 Comments)

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The following links provides article stating President Bush is using every effort needed to protect our NATION against TERRORISM with use of the Patriot Act... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/

Seanate disagrees...votes against renewal of many aspects of the Patriot Act, calling it an INVASION of PRIVACY... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10485860/
posted by MARIELORA at 12:49 P.M. EST on Sat Dec 17, 2005     #

Americans have numbly sat by and ignored the increasing assaults on civil liberties. Fear of another 9/11 keeps dissent down.

I wonder at what point people will collectively become fed up with what has been happening; in my opinion, the pendulum has swung too far in the direction of "security" at the cost of our individual freedoms.

At least a few senators - Republicans and Democrats - have begun to question the direction in which we are headed.
posted by historymike at 02:48 P.M. EST on Sat Dec 17, 2005     #

At least a few congressional leaders have known about this.
posted by AirTrainer at 03:41 P.M. EST on Sat Dec 17, 2005     #

On Sep 12, 2001, if someone told you that we'd go more than four years without another terrorist attack on our soil like the day before, would you have believed that person? Hell no. You would have said that person was crazy. You would have bet that person we would be hit again within a year or two. But now we've got a nice long list of people in Congress to blame for the next one.

Oh, I feel so free now that Patriot Act won't continue. I can feel my privacy rights coming back to me. I can start living again.
posted by jr at 10:59 P.M. EST on Sat Dec 17, 2005     #

The government actually likes crisis situations. Crisis situations allow the government to usurp more power. The left will tell you that if we don’t have socialist security, we will have old people starving in the streets. The right will tell you that if we don’t have this war with Iraq, the United States will be attacked again. Both sides are looking for an excuse to tax you out of your hard earned money to apply to their agenda.
posted by mike2004 at 09:23 A.M. EST on Sun Dec 18, 2005     #

If you haven't seen it yet, the BBC series The Power of Nightmares dives into the link of scared citizens/government. I'll admit it has some flaws, but it puts where we are today in a historical perspective.
posted by Bruno at 09:46 A.M. EST on Sun Dec 18, 2005     #

mike2004: Too right. The Feds especially like emotional crises situations that put important items like the Barret report on the back burner, when it should be covered by MSM every day until it gets published.

Not only will we be paying more taxes to fight this stupid war, but we don't derive any benefit at all from the war in Iraq. Meantime both the GOP and the Democrats want to remove more of the pesky constitutional rights that stand in the way of their own personal solution to the world's problems.
posted by madjack at 03:05 P.M. EST on Sun Dec 18, 2005     #

Madjack, I will be paying higher taxes at some point for the war in Iraq. But that is the case only if I live long enough to pay those taxes. George Bush is running a deficit of biblical proportions to pay for the war spending. When will that have to be paid? Maybe by me, I’m 34, so maybe during my lifetime or maybe not. Maybe generations Y and Z will have to pay for it. I just don’t know.
posted by mike2004 at 01:12 P.M. EST on Mon Dec 19, 2005     #

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