I love it when we beat Ohio State! Last year we (MUO) had a top 10 ranking in the country for passing Step I of the US Medical Licensing Exam, but I was more happy about beating Ohio State. They act like they're God's gift to Ohio higher education.
So do you think UT has had success because of the high quality of students that are accepted and matriculate or because of the professors?
posted by HeyHey at 11:39 P.M. EST on Fri Oct 27, 2006 #
Good question Heyhey, I think UToledo, in general, is offering so many scholarships these days to beat the other schools. We are honestly the best law school in the state. We have the best faculty, the best students, and the best administration. We are the best in the State.
posted by junta330 at 12:16 A.M. EST on Sat Oct 28, 2006 #
And one more thing Heyhey, there's nothing that brings more joy than this union between UT and MUO. If UT wants to be serious, we need a strong medical program. We need a strong profressional program. With UT breaking the banks with their engineering and law programs, I don't think the medical program is far beyond. Be it known that I think every doctor is smarter than I am. While I am a mathematician and economist, and a future lawyer, it takes a real intelligence to be a medical doctor. Much more than what I have done. God bless you and your scientific intelligence. While you are much more conservative than me (proud member of the ACLU), I've respected everything you say. I respect your intelligence. Thank you for being a member of Toledo Talk.
posted by junta330 at 12:32 A.M. EST on Sat Oct 28, 2006 #
And yes, it is awesome to school OSU. But go Bucks for the remainder of the football season.
posted by junta330 at 01:05 A.M. EST on Sat Oct 28, 2006 #
UT was an unhealthy institution until it got its own hospital. Now, this news may be a shot in the arm for the schools ailment of mission drift.
posted by Offshore at 06:23 A.M. EST on Sat Oct 28, 2006 #
Just what our society needs is more lawyers. Too bad we aren't graduating vast numbers of engineers and scientist to solve the many problems facing the 21st century.
posted by rooky at 08:25 A.M. EST on Sat Oct 28, 2006 #
junta -- congrats on the announcement. You all have so much for which to feel proud.
posted by corky at 09:33 A.M. EST on Sat Oct 28, 2006 #
Be it known that I think every doctor is smarter than I am.
Be it known that I think you're very mistaken then. haha From what I've read on here you'd stand toe-to-toe intellectually with any of our students.
We've actually had some interaction with the UT Law faculty. I can't remember his name (all I can remember is that he was very involved in the Ohio ACLU and was considered an expert in HIV/AIDS discrimination cases), but he came to speak about the legalities of dealing with HIV+ patients in the ER or in clinics. We peppered him with questions for an hour. Even though I think he was getting sick of our questions, he was good and very informative.
posted by HeyHey at 11:43 A.M. EST on Sat Oct 28, 2006 #
ACLU....The devils advocate.
posted by rooky at 02:36 P.M. EST on Sat Oct 28, 2006 #
ACLU...protecting those who need to be protected from our overimposing, bigbrother type government. If you don't try to take away basic civil liberties, then the ACLU has no purpose, but until then, we will fight the good fight. Every amendment in the constitution is equal. The NRA takes care of the second amendment, the ACLU takes care of the rest. If not for the NRA (the richest lobbyests in the country), I'm sure the ACLU would be behind every gun case in this country... something to think about.
posted by junta330 at 12:30 A.M. EST on Sun Oct 29, 2006 #
And by that I mean the ACLU will not spend its resources on gun cases only because the NRA has the money to do so. If the NRA didn't exist, I can bet you the all the NRA funding would go to the ACLU because the ACLU would support the 2nd amendment.
posted by junta330 at 12:37 A.M. EST on Sun Oct 29, 2006 #
Congrats to UT Law Students for doing such a good job! Gooooo Rockets!!
posted by HolyHolyToledo at 06:28 A.M. EST on Sun Oct 29, 2006 #
Actually junta I do believe that AARP is the biggest lobbyist in the country and not the NRA.
I'd have no problem with the ACLU if they'd stop defending Nazi's and child molesters.
posted by MikeyA at 06:48 P.M. EST on Sun Oct 29, 2006 #
As for UT congrats to them. The university has been working hard for years and has had to go uphill with all the criticism from the Bland. But yet they've remained competitive and have established a firm base in the sciences and legal fields.
posted by MikeyA at 08:57 A.M. EST on Mon Oct 30, 2006 #
"I'd have no problem with the ACLU if they'd stop defending Nazi's and child molesters."
The ACLU's only client is the Bill of Rights.
I'm afraid we can't limit Constitutional protections to those who share our sensibilities, so the best perspective to is to look beyond the parties of each case to the underlying principles at stake. The real question is not what we think of Nazis and child molesters, but rather, what is our collective commitment to those principles?
posted by NookularDon at 08:59 P.M. EST on Mon Oct 30, 2006 #
yes Don you are right about the principles but while the ACLU says they have a right to defend those people they also neglect that they have a right not to.
posted by MikeyA at 08:54 A.M. EST on Tue Oct 31, 2006 #
they also neglect that they have a right not to.
Wouldn't that be discrimination? Isnt that the whole point of the ACLU - Equality for ALL. Not just some.
posted by tm at 09:11 A.M. EST on Tue Oct 31, 2006 #
No, it's not discrimination. The ACLU is not bound to be the legal defense for anyone who wants a legal defense. There are many organizations or lawyers who will take a case. The ACLU deliberately takes the cases of NeoNazi's and NAMBLA because it gets them in the headlines.
Did they challenge the Toledo law outlawing the Saturday Night Specials? Did they come to the aid of the guy in Toledo who had his guns confiscated by the TPD? No but they would have most certainly come to the Nazi's aid when they held a protest to support the guy who had his guns confiscated.
They most certainly choose which cases they take but only for certain amendments. The 2nd Amendment is one they don't take cases for as an example.
posted by MikeyA at 09:56 A.M. EST on Tue Oct 31, 2006 #
Isnt that the whole point of the ACLU - Equality for ALL. Not just some.
Mikey, sorry i was thinking of the civil rights commision when i said the aclu.
But i still feel that every american is entitled to representation regardless of how we feel about them.
posted by tm at 10:13 A.M. EST on Tue Oct 31, 2006 #
i still feel that every american is entitled to representation regardless of how we feel about them I do too but I don't believe the ACLU's defense that they're just playing "Devil's Advocate" when they clearly choose what and who they defend.
For instance, they have been silent about the smoking bans. Now me I'd say that if abortion is an "implied right" of the constitution then smoking should be as well especially since the forefathers and native americans before them smoked. Yet abortion mainly is a product of the 20th century.
(disclaimer) Don't get me wrong I'm not some insane pro-lifer. I don't believe a zygote is a person, but I do think at some point we need to define a stage of embryonic development as a living being.
posted by MikeyA at 10:43 A.M. EST on Tue Oct 31, 2006 #
I agree with you tm. Maybe it's some kind of life stage that I'm at - but I'm just so not ok with an organization that holds itself out publicly as a protecter of civil rights - primarily fighting discrimination, but that very organizations' conduct tells you that it practices that mission discriminately.
I think I've just had it with hypocrites, dishonest politicians and broken promises.
posted by katie82640 at 02:07 P.M. EST on Tue Oct 31, 2006 #
Back to the topic at hand:
UT Law has made great strides. Remember, it wasn't that long ago that UT was just a night school and the only people who attended UT were from Toledo and eventually practiced in Toledo. 7 or 8 years ago, UT was at the bottom with something like a 55% pass rate.A couple of years ago, then Dean Closius made a strong effort to attract students from a wider geographical and educational background by offering very generous scholarships. What your are seeing now is the fruits of those efforts.
posted by Ace_Face at 11:09 A.M. EST on Thu Nov 02, 2006 #
Very true Ace. Some people aren't willing to give the school credit. They also keep calling it TU when it hasn't been that for years.
posted by MikeyA at 11:53 A.M. EST on Thu Nov 02, 2006 #
I agree with that. UT deserves huge acknowledgement for this.
posted by katie82640 at 03:57 P.M. EST on Thu Nov 02, 2006 #
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