Possibly any gambling websites that are hosted overseas. The Fed's won't be able to stop the gambling sites from operating if they are overseas, they would only be able to prosecute the US citizens who use its' services.
posted by ToledoPlusPlus at 09:06 P.M. EST on Fri Oct 13, 2006 #
The Party Poker site advies that it is licensed and regulated by the government of Gibralter. I think they disallowed my gaming simply because I told them I was from USA when I opened the account years ago. Maybe I'll open another account and tell them I'm from Borneo . . .
posted by jimavolt at 09:14 P.M. EST on Fri Oct 13, 2006 #
Jim - I saw something on the tube last night about the online gambling sites. Something about the payout accts? Apparently there will be a bunch of them in limbo until someone finds a way to circumvent the banking laws. It was some story on the news - possibly Channel 11. If not 11, then it was 13.
I remember the reporter saying something about people who had money in their accts were cashing it in before this new rule took effect.
posted by DoknowDocare at 10:13 P.M. EST on Fri Oct 13, 2006 #
jimavolt, don't forget to thank the Republicans and the values voters for this. A couple weeks ago, Bill Frist (R) attached the Internet gambling bill to the port security bill.
I'll sleep better tonight, knowing that my family is more secure because jimavolt can't play poker online.
The Internet gambling issue was created to protect the U.S., since these poker sites prey on kids and some poker sites are front groups for terrorism. So say the Republicans.
"U.S. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist pulled a "Taliban" of his own Friday night [Sep 29, 2006] by sneaking unrelated internet gambling provisions into a port security bill while removing key measures that would secure the nation's mass transit system."
"A number of Democrats were outraged and vehemently opposed the addition of the internet gambling measure but voted on the bill unanimously in order to ensure port security."
"Democrats had accused Republicans of pushing the bill to placate its conservative base, particularly the religious right, before the November 7 congressional elections."
"The port security and Internet gambling legislation was approved 409 to 2 in the House and on a voice vote in the Senate."
"House and Senate Republican leaders pushed hard to secure the Internet gambling measure, which some Republicans viewed as a chance to clear their names after they allowed disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff to scuttle a similar measure six years ago."
"Proponents of the crackdown said the industry, which is mostly based overseas, provides a front for money laundering, some of it by drug sellers and terrorist groups, while preying on children and gambling addicts."
"The Senate had overwhelmingly approved the authorization of $3.5 billion for mass-transit security grants and $1 billion for freight and passenger rail programs, but House Republicans balked at the cost. House negotiators prevailed in their fight to strip out $4.5 billion in rail and mass-transit security funds."
jimavolt can't play Party Poker. Yes, the Republicans are for smaller government.
posted by jr at 10:48 P.M. EST on Fri Oct 13, 2006 #
Yet another case of government intrusion. Perhaps George Orwell was only 22 years off from 1984, and this Big Brother administration will continue to appeal to the religious right so that we will soon have no freedoms whatsoever. I urge you to contribute to the ACLU. Seriously.
Gambling, while illegal in the state of Ohio, is legal in some forms. One of those forms is poker, so long as the house doesn't take a cut. Furthermore, online gambling occurs on the internet, not solely networked within the state of Ohio. As a regular poker player, and one who plays blackjack at casinos, I am outraged by the fact that 2700 American troops have died in Iraq, and our congress is concerned about online gambling. Similar to the incompetence of a local government, all members of congress should be fired by our votes (R or D). Banks should not have to cater to congress in matters that concern international commerce, particularly those which concern personal decisions.
posted by junta330 at 12:14 A.M. EST on Sat Oct 14, 2006 #
“Democrats had accused Republicans of pushing the bill to placate its conservative base, particularly the religious right, before the November 7 congressional elections.”
Church bingo is still legal, I note.
... of course, that's really more like prayer, right? To wit: “Please, PLEEEEEZE God, let me hear "G36", so I can get that $600 pot!” I'm sure there's a LOT of prayer going on at bingo halls.
“Proponents of the crackdown said the industry, which is mostly based overseas, provides a front for money laundering, some of it by drug sellers and terrorist groups, while preying on children and gambling addicts.”
Oh, yeah, sure. Sure. Please note that the major routes of money laundering -- used primarily by governments, banks, corporations and the agents of their intersection (i.e. criminals and terrorists) -- are still effectively wide open. Good job, Congress! Well, we wouldn't want to crimp the thriving globalist business structure, would we? Only pinkos, low terrorists and Democrats want THAT, fer crissakes!
The US Congress could stop money laundering into and out of the US practically overnight by passing real legislation with teeth that targets the route that most money laundering takes: US banks. However, that would cause US banks to lose many high-value clients (like many Saudi Arabian, Indonesian, etc. families), so that's NEVER going to happen.
posted by GuestZero at 12:50 A.M. EST on Sat Oct 14, 2006 #
Doknow - After hearing of the law I assumed that deposits to the accounts were now illegal, but I figured that I'd be able to play with the money already in my account at the on-line casino. Instead the message from PP read it was illegal for them to take deposits or wagers from players in the US. Frankly I'm surprised that PP didn't just post a warning and allow US folks to keep playing. I don't think I'd feel compelled to enforce the laws of a foreign country.
We requested the money from the account and learned it will take 10-20 days for a check to be issued.
jr - I enjoy gambling and am not going to stop because PP refuses my wagers. The supporters of this bill seem unaware that people have options besides following the law as the writers intended. For example, in addition to just plain lying about where I live, I can buy a legit mailing address in Canada for $5 a month and use that to open a new account.
Junta - it won't be long until poker parlors are legal in Ohio. State law permits games (even those with cash rewards) so long as the game is more skill than luck. No doubt that poker would qualify. All we need is a test case sponsored by someone willing and able to put up a lot of money. Speaking of games of skill - - anyone seen the Skill Game parlor on Laskey?
FYI, Ohio liquor law specifically bans the playing of Poker in a facility with a liquor license, so even when it becomes legal, the game won't be played in taverns.
posted by jimavolt at 07:23 A.M. EST on Sat Oct 14, 2006 #
I can't believe that is allowed -- to inject a completely separate issue in a bill that has to do with another completely different issue. That ability needs to be taken away -- it obviously gives the majority a ridiculous amount of power.
posted by ToledoPlusPlus at 11:30 A.M. EST on Sat Oct 14, 2006 #
"jr - I enjoy gambling and am not going to stop ..."
So you're saying I should resume construction of my underground bunker and stock up on duct tape and plastic sheeting.
posted by jr at 03:56 P.M. EST on Sat Oct 14, 2006 #
All this talk about gambling online, I have a question about that new Toledo Skill Games. It's located on W. Laskey and you can win money. How is that place legal to play? Winning jackpots up to $8000. There are also similar machines placed in a truck stop out on I-280. Cash outs are paid. How is this type of activity allow?
posted by ToledoLatina at 06:11 P.M. EST on Sat Oct 14, 2006 #
You can't play for real money but you can play Texas Hold'em as a Club Pogo member, if you get to jonesin real bad for some online poker :)
posted by OhioKat at 09:59 P.M. EST on Sat Oct 14, 2006 #
Junta I'll contribute to the ACLU the day I decide to invite the Nazi's back to Toledo which will be NEVER!
BTW you realize you're promoting a group who gives free legal advice to keep pedophiles out of jail don't you?
posted by MikeyA at 12:03 A.M. EST on Mon Oct 16, 2006 #
This was attached to the Port Security bill to ensure it's passage.
We need a line item veto. This kind of legislation by inclusion into a necessity is bullshit.
posted by katie82640 at 11:50 A.M. EST on Mon Oct 16, 2006 #
The ACLU MAY have started out as an organization with good intentions, but it should be quite obvious to anyone who isn't blind that they want a secular/'progressive'(socialistic) country, and they cherry-pick their cases carefully.
posted by Darkseid at 04:11 P.M. EST on Mon Oct 16, 2006 #
I notice that they left the state lotteries intact. Guess the offshore poker people were taking just a little too much money that needs to be spent on our kids' educations....what a fucking joke.
posted by nana at 04:24 P.M. EST on Mon Oct 16, 2006 #
Tonight my wife and I opened up a new account on another on line poker site. Party Poker was one of only a few wussie sites to cottow to the USA's anti gaming law.
Just doing our share to keep the world economy moving forward.
posted by jimavolt at 09:19 P.M. EST on Mon Oct 23, 2006 #
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