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A Club of Liars, Demagogues and Ignoramuses

Der Spiegel
12/01/2011
A Club of Liars, Demagogues and Ignoramuses
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,800850,00.html
"The US Republican race is dominated by ignorance, lies and scandals. The current crop of candidates have shown such a basic lack of knowledge that they make George W. Bush look like Einstein. The Grand Old Party is ruining the entire country's reputation."
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Africa is a country. In Libya, the Taliban reigns. Muslims are terrorists; most immigrants are criminal; all Occupy protesters are dirty. And women who feel sexually harassed -- well, they shouldn't make such a big deal about it.

Welcome to the wonderful world of the US Republicans. Or rather, to the twisted world of what they call their presidential campaigns. For months now, they've been traipsing around the country with their traveling circus, from one debate to the next, one scandal to another, putting themselves forward for what's still the most powerful job in the world.

As it turns out, there are no limits to how far they will stoop. (MORE)
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,800850,00.html

Fooled once, will the Tea Party come back for more?
http://www.toledoblade.com/MarilouJohanek/2011/12/10/Fooled-once-will-the-Tea-Party-come-back-for-more.html

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In April 2009, on one of his many foreign trips, President Obama mused, “I don’t know what the term is in Austrian” for “wheeling and dealing.” Oops, Mr. President. There is no Austrian language.

Keep supporting that Democratic Party, maybe one day they will become the hero of the working man like you believe they are. Wooo hoo they are fighting for me to keep an extra 25 dollars a week in my paycheck cause it's "saving the middle class", while they continue to fight wars and spend the country into a financial quagmire.

Bread and circuses.

posted by dbw8906 on Dec 06, 2011 at 07:06:55 am     #  

"The US Republican race is dominated by ignorance, lies and scandals."

We already have that now with the current group of democrats in the White House.Ignorance,lies and scandals are not just a Republican trait.You have a president that thinks there are 57 states.How about all of his campaign promises and all that talk about tranperancey?How about the Solyndra scandal that is being swept under the rug?

posted by buckeye278 on Dec 06, 2011 at 02:27:23 pm     #  

How about he started his political career in the living room of an unrepentant terrorist?

posted by Linecrosser on Dec 06, 2011 at 07:12:14 pm     #  

Oh hi ToledoTalk TeaTards. Do you get paid by the bullshit comeback talking point in defense of the TeaOP? The holiday season must be cutting into your time, as the quality of these remarks is UTTER FAIL.

Why don't you all spend some time learning about cognitive dissonance and how to recognize it in your own person and your chosen political party and leanings?

posted by anonymouscoward on Dec 06, 2011 at 09:03:23 pm     #  

Look in a mirror Coward.

posted by Linecrosser on Dec 07, 2011 at 02:13:43 pm     #  

That's all the better you can do, Line-toer? Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!

posted by anonymouscoward on Dec 07, 2011 at 02:19:48 pm     #  

Heard you like to hang out at barney franks house.

posted by Linecrosser on Dec 07, 2011 at 02:24:35 pm     #  

I mean AC why are you not living in the socialist dream of Cuba if their system is so much better? I mean there are no giant evil corporations, no CEO's to bleed you dry. I mean hell they even have free healthcare, you don't even get to own you own home. No evil rich men hiding under your bed to get you.

American never has been your socialist utopia wet dream you envision.

posted by dbw8906 on Dec 07, 2011 at 03:24:20 pm     #  

I bet AC is a follower/disciple of Michael Moore and company.How many of Moores DVDs do you own AC?

posted by buckeye278 on Dec 07, 2011 at 04:44:18 pm     #  

Coward should move to France where we have another example of a Socialist country have such fine success. Oh wait its failing, maybe Italy, oops its down the tubes, maybe he should pick Greece. No that wont work either, its another failed socialist nation. When will you look at all the fine examples of why the Socialist form of government don't work. Obama wants us to be more like Europe, well with 15 trillion in debt and rising its wont be long before we will.

posted by Linecrosser on Dec 07, 2011 at 05:33:17 pm     #  

"Gingrich ... embodies the vanity and rapacity that make modern Washington repulsive. And there is his anti-conservative confidence that he has a comprehensive explanation of, and plan to perfect, everything.

Granted, his grandiose rhetoric celebrating his “transformative” self is entertaining: Recently he compared his revival of his campaign to Sam Walton’s and Ray Kroc’s creations of Wal-Mart and McDonald’s, two of America’s largest private-sector employers. There is almost artistic vulgarity in Gingrich’s unrepented role as a hired larynx for interests profiting from such government follies as ethanol and cheap mortgages. His Olympian sense of exemption from standards and logic allowed him, fresh from pocketing $1.6 million from Freddie Mac (for services as a “historian”), to say, “If you want to put people in jail,” look at “the politicians who profited from” Washington’s environment.

His temperament — intellectual hubris distilled — makes him blown about by gusts of enthusiasm for intellectual fads, from 1990s futurism to “Lean Six Sigma” today. On Election Eve 1994, he said a disturbed South Carolina mother drowning her children “vividly reminds” Americans “how sick the society is getting, and how much we need to change things. . . . The only way you get change is to vote Republican.” Compare this grotesque opportunism — tarted up as sociology — with his devious recasting of it in a letter to the Nov. 18, 1994, Wall Street Journal (http://bit.ly/vFbjAk). And remember his recent swoon over the theory that “Kenyan, anti-colonial” thinking explains Barack Obama."

George Will 12/2/11

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/romney-and-gingrich-from-bad-to-worse/2011/12/02/gIQArsM3LO_story.html

posted by Ace_Face on Dec 07, 2011 at 06:30:23 pm     #  

Wow look at the ToledoTalk TeaTard brigade out in force!

One comeback accusing me of homosexuality.

One comeback bringing up socialism and how I supposedly want the USA to be a "socialist wet dream" (yeah right).

One comeback bringing up Michael Moore (how's that for irrelevant TeaTard talking points?)

And another comeback bringing up socialism and how I should leave the great USA for France.

Seriously, are you all actual thinking self-aware rational human beings, or just brainwashed idiots with room-temperature IQs that can do nothing better than banter back "SOCIALISM! MICHAEL MOORE! EUROPE! DEBT! TAX HIKES!" and the like just like robots?

This is why nobody else even argues with you here anymore. They figure it's pointless to argue with morons such as yourselves.

Wait, I have to apologize, the Moron Anti-Defamation League is upset that I called you morons. It's an insult to morons.

posted by anonymouscoward on Dec 07, 2011 at 06:54:35 pm     #   1 person liked this

I just do it to rile up your blood and laugh at the results, shame I didn't get a "sucking the Kotch" response. BTW your occupy hero doesn't need the Republican Party or TeaTards to blame because Wall Street already has it's boy

Ace - Gingrich is a disgrace and a joke, he will kill the Conservative movement for another 10 years. If Republicans nominate him they might as well call it a day. He would be a horrible President and Obama would beat him easily. The only two candidates who have a hope of beating Obama (Paul & Huntsman), the Republican party wants nothing to do with because the Republican party no longer equals conservative.

posted by dbw8906 on Dec 08, 2011 at 06:51:29 am     #  

dbw... we agree again.

posted by bobo on Dec 08, 2011 at 10:07:32 am     #  

"the Republican party no longer equals conservative"

Oh really now?

They're ultra-conservative on social issues and any spending they don't like. However, when it comes to spending on the military-industrial complex, tax cuts and subsidies for their rich friends, and things like that, they "liberally" say YES SIR. They're conservative when it comes to regulating business, but when it comes to regulating the people, there's no bill restricting civil liberties they don't like.

The only reason they're not conservative to you is because you woke up just enough to ask why your tax bill hasn't seen all the tax cuts they promised (and it won't, because you and I get to pay for the police and military that protects the rich who don't want to pay for anything at all).

posted by anonymouscoward on Dec 08, 2011 at 11:23:13 am     #   1 person liked this

If you think Paul and Huntsman are "ultra-conservative on social issues" than you have your head deeper in the sand than most of us think. Paul would do more for the LGBT community by getting the Federal Govt out of people's bedrooms than Obama has ever done.

"but when it comes to regulating the people, there's no bill restricting civil liberties they don't like." - Do we really want to bring Barry civil/human rights record into debate. Keep carrying the water for your failure man child as a President. Hell a good chunk of his own party would rather have Hillary.

Lots of kool aid for you.

posted by dbw8906 on Dec 08, 2011 at 11:47:35 am     #  

"Paul would do more for the LGBT community by getting the Federal Govt out of people's bedrooms than Obama has ever done."

RON PAUL is for DOMA.

Congressman Ron Paul issued the following statement in response to Attorney General Eric Holder’s announcement that the Obama Administration will cease to defend the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) against legal challenges.

“The Defense of Marriage Act was enacted in 1996 to stop Big Government in Washington from re-defining marriage and forcing its definition on the States. Like the majority of Iowans, I believe that marriage is between one man and one woman and must be protected.
qq.

Someone just got PWNED. Kool-Aid man says what? OH YEAH!

Huntsman is too "liberal" to be chosen by the TeaOP, and the media ignores him more than they ignore RON PAUL.

"Do we really want to bring Barry civil/human rights record into debate"

Why not? Started with you fuckers enabling Bush with the PATRIOT Act and the Iraq War and handing him every power he asked for. You opened the lid on Pandora's Box with that shit and it's no surprise it's continued under Obama, because NOT ONE OF YOU REPUBLICAN FUCKHEADS IS SERIOUSLY GOING TO TAKE AWAY THE POWERS YOU ALREADY GRANTED BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE ADMITTING A MISTAKE. Besides, if in 2012 a Republican took office, YOU WOULD NOT WANT THOSE POWERS TAKEN AWAY. So stop with the "Barry Osamalamafartbama took away your civil rights!" bullshit, because your camp is not and will not do ONE FUCKING THING about it (other than pretend to bitch a bit just to keep the hopes of the ignorant up).

posted by anonymouscoward on Dec 08, 2011 at 07:00:02 pm     #  

Sure so because Republicans made a huge overstep and mistake Obama gets a free pass? Keep running Barry the Bankster, I'm sure one day he will become the legend he is in your mind.

Congressman Ron Paul calls Wikileaks Bradely Manning Hero

Fantasy Land is calling they want to know when you will be back to the funny farm.

posted by dbw8906 on Dec 09, 2011 at 07:03:19 am     #  

this post is a politicians perfect screwtape letter.

the politicians get both sides to argue hypotheticals and rumours and conspiracies and nobody meets in the middle to solve actual policy questions. who wins this pissing match? politicians who keep getting re-elected and the connected interests on both sides who have their hand in our pockets.

posted by enjoyeverysandwich on Dec 09, 2011 at 10:24:42 am     #   1 person liked this

dbw8906 posted at 06:03:19 AM on Dec 09, 2011:

Sure so because Republicans made a huge overstep and mistake Obama gets a free pass? Keep running Barry the Bankster, I'm sure one day he will become the legend he is in your mind.

Congressman Ron Paul calls Wikileaks Bradely Manning Hero

Fantasy Land is calling they want to know when you will be back to the funny farm.

"Both sides suck, so vote Republican", is that what you're saying? Because that's what I'm hearing.

Love how delusional you are that I somehow put Obama on a pedestal and sacrifice puppies and kittens in his name or whatever. He's not all that and a bag of chips, but he's better than the TeaOP. (In the same way that having a cavity filled without Novocaine is better than having two root canals done with a dull drill by a crazed sadistic dentist who then forces you to gargle with pepper spray afterwards.)

Keep on sucking that Koch, dude, I hear that if you make 10k posts dissing Obama you get the privilege of paying $250 to have dinner with them and the rest of the real TeaOP leadership.

posted by anonymouscoward on Dec 09, 2011 at 10:43:42 am     #  

The liberals are so ultra left now that a middle of the road moderate now seems conservative to them.

posted by Linecrosser on Dec 10, 2011 at 10:57:27 am     #  

Not even close Linecrosser. Republicans have moved so far to he right, even Reagan would be considered a RINO by today's standards.

Obama is nothing but a 70's Republican. Only 5-10 years ago Cap and Trade and Healthcare Mandates were Republican ideas that they championed. Now they are 'communist' ideas.

The left and center haven't moved further to the left, it only seems like that because Republicans have moved to the right.

posted by SensorG on Dec 10, 2011 at 11:03:53 am     #   2 people liked this

Linecrosser posted at 09:57:27 AM on Dec 10, 2011:

The liberals are so ultra left now that a middle of the road moderate now seems conservative to them.

I was going to point out exactly how wrong you are, but you wouldn't be able to see or hear me out because your head is so far up your ass you're looking at the back of your teeth.

You know who's a moderate Republican? OBAMA. You know who else? Huntsman. You know who's a poor excuse for a moderate Republican? Romney.

Perry, Bachmann, and Santorum have all expressed the radical Republican belief that the USA is a Christian nation and that the government should be promoting Christian values via legislation, which is GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE IN PRIVATE LIVES... something that Republicans were AGAINST up until Karl Rove and the Neoconservative movement along with Newt Gingrich started pushing in the latter part of the Clinton years and rode into office on in 2000 with Bush.

RON PAUL is a Libertarian who is too chickenshit to run under the Libertarian party banner. The Republican party only tolerates him because he brings a good number of Libertarians in to blindly vote (R). I would honestly vote Libertarian if it wasn't for the fact that the LP thinks business will police itself and act in the interest of society, which time and again has proven to be untrue (because if a business can make more money by dumping chemicals in the ditch behind the plant and get away with it, they will, for example). So I believe in regulation, but not the fucked-up mess of regulation we have now, it needs to be cleaned up and simplified and all the little loopholes and exceptions and conflicting parts need to be gone. Regulation needs to be intelligent and flexible, not a tangled mess that only serves to keep lawyers employed. I've had some nice long discussions with a self-described "libertarian" and what he describes of "libertarian" regulation (basically, everything goes to a court to decide) scares the crap out of me.

Now if you want me to name actual liberal liberals, I'd consider Kucinich and Bernie Sanders.

I'd say it's a really funny fucking thing that you and your Teabagging ilk have a huge cow with how government spends your money, but when government tells people how to live their lives by enforcing a particular religious belief system, you ENJOY it. COGNITIVE DISSONANCE. Government shouldn't be telling people how to live their lives either.

posted by anonymouscoward on Dec 10, 2011 at 12:04:45 pm     #  

Fooled once, will the Tea Party come back for more?
http://www.toledoblade.com/MarilouJohanek/2011/12/10/Fooled-once-will-the-Tea-Party-come-back-for-more.html

posted by wolfman on Dec 10, 2011 at 12:11:02 pm     #  

SensorG posted at 10:03:53 AM on Dec 10, 2011:

Not even close Linecrosser. Republicans have moved so far to he right, even Reagan would be considered a RINO by today's standards.

Obama is nothing but a 70's Republican. Only 5-10 years ago Cap and Trade and Healthcare Mandates were Republican ideas that they championed. Now they are 'communist' ideas.

The left and center haven't moved further to the left, it only seems like that because Republicans have moved to the right.

SO TRUE! They forgot Nixon created the EPA! What the blue FUCK ever happened to "environmental conservation" by Republicans?!? REPUBLICANS ARE CONSERVATIVES, WHY ARE THEY NOT FOR CONSERVING THE ENVIRONMENT, ENERGY, AND WHAT OIL IS LEFT UNDER AMERICA? WHY ARE THEY NOT FOR CONSERVING AMERICAN DOLLARS BY NOT SPENDING THEM ON BOMBING SHIT OVERSEAS? WHY ARE THEY PASSING BILLS RESTRICTING THE RIGHTS OF AMERICANS?

And, to really stir up some shit, let me ask the question of why Republicans are not in favor of conserving millions of welfare and charity and other dollars by supporting contraception and abortion access so women can choose not to pop out a kid instead of having to have a kid they don't want that is statistically more likely to become a criminal who costs the public more dollars to prosecute and incarcerate. (This is actually addressed in the book Freakonomics which even if you dislike its conclusions is still a good read.)

posted by anonymouscoward on Dec 10, 2011 at 12:18:18 pm     #   1 person liked this

"Government shouldn't be telling people how to live their lives either." - This from the guy who supports govt telling the light bulbs you can have in your house, and what toilets you can have in your bathroom. Either you have Liberty or you don't.

See you "progressives" love to shout Liberty and Democracy till to comes to matter you don't like. See Democracy is fine with you until it votes down something you don't like (California Prop 8) but government like New York forcing gay marriage laws on the State without putting it through the Democratic process is a good thing right? Scream Liberty but you wish to take others financial Liberty and increase the amount of money we shovel into the Federal Furnace without real change in governance.

posted by dbw8906 on Dec 10, 2011 at 12:41:42 pm     #  

I'm sorry, dbw, I don't understand your wharrgarbl. "See Democracy is fine with you until it votes down something you don't like (California Prop 8) but government like New York forcing gay marriage laws on the State without putting it through the Democratic process is a good thing right?" Explain further.

posted by anonymouscoward on Dec 10, 2011 at 02:16:09 pm     #  

lest we forget - clinton moved more of the republican agenda than any president in perhaps all of history. the right in a fit of hubris still needed to attempt to oust him because he had out politiced them in his re-election. the current all-time low taxes (and related budget deficits), out of control defense budget, and unregulated business and industry should have the right happy... but the country keeps getting drawn further right and into more trouble - all based on false assertions of personal liberty, national security, and supply side - all smoke and mirrors. republican policy has gotten us where we are today.

so sad nixon and kennedy were so close to national health care and didn't get it finished!

posted by enjoyeverysandwich on Dec 10, 2011 at 03:41:05 pm     #   1 person liked this

enjoyeverysandwich posted at 02:41:05 PM on Dec 10, 2011:

lest we forget - clinton moved more of the republican agenda than any president in perhaps all of history. the right in a fit of hubris still needed to attempt to oust him because he had out politiced them in his re-election. the current all-time low taxes (and related budget deficits), out of control defense budget, and unregulated business and industry should have the right happy... but the country keeps getting drawn further right and into more trouble - all based on false assertions of personal liberty, national security, and supply side - all smoke and mirrors. republican policy has gotten us where we are today.

so sad nixon and kennedy were so close to national health care and didn't get it finished!

FUCK YES.

If I may quote some extracts from Wikipedia:

Clinton supported the North American Free Trade Agreement, which he signed into law in 1994. His presidency saw the passage of welfare reform in Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act which ended Aid to Families with Dependent Children and reduced much needed welfare programs.5 This received support from both political parties. He also signed the reversal of the Glass-Steagall Act which was designed to prevent financial institutions from getting too big to fail.6 He also signed the Commodity Futures Modernization Act which legalized over-the-counter derivatives.7 Clinton saw the escalation of the War on Drugs prompting a swell in the prison population from 1.4 to 2 million.8

Socially, the administration began with efforts by Clinton to allow gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military, which culminated in a compromise known as "Don't ask, don't tell", theoretically allowing gays and lesbians to serve in the military if they did not disclose their sexual orientation (the policy was repealed in 2010). However Bill Clinton signed the Defense of Marriage Act, considered by many to be a blow to the LGBT rights movement.

Major legislation signed by Bill Clinton

Under a Dem-controlled Congress:

February 5, 1993: Family and Medical Leave Act of 1993
November 30, 1993: Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act

With Newt Gingrich riding his ass in Congress:

December 29, 1995: Interstate Commerce Commission Termination Act
February 8, 1996: Telecommunications Act of 1996
April 24, 1996: Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996
August 20, 1996: Small Business Job Protection Act of 1996
August 21, 1996: Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act
August 26, 1996: Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act
September 21, 1996: Defense of Marriage Act
November 3, 1998: Securities Litigation Uniform Standards Act
November 12, 1999: Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act
December 21, 2000: Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000

Clinton signed off on NAFTA (and Ross Perot was right on about that giant sucking sound!).

Clinton signed off on cutting welfare (which is one of the right-wing's biggest bitch points).

Clinton signed off on the Graham-Leach-Bliley Act that repealed Glass-Steagall that had previously kept investment banks, commercial banks, securities, and insurance separate... so he signed off on creating banks that are "too big to fail".

Clinton signed off on Commodity Futures Modernization Act that created the derivatives the too-big-to-fail bank fucked the market with.

Clinton signed Defense of Marriage Act, 'nuff said.

Clinton signed the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, thus making copyright infringement a more serious crime than FEDERAL GROSS SEXUAL ASSAULT (that's right, copying a MP3 file that sells for 99 cents has a harsher penalty than sexual assault short of penetration! ALL HAIL THE POWER OF THE HOLLYWOOD AND MEDIA LOBBY!)

And yet, as EES pointed out, Clinton got nothing but shit from the GOP every minute of every day.

Now watch how since I pointed this out the ToledoTalk TeaTards will blame Clinton for everything that passed a Republican House under the control of their current front-runner Presidential candidate! Anyone with a room temperature IQ knows that the Republican party is full of shit and their supporters make rocks and trees look like the combination of Einstein and Stephen Hawking. But Line-Repeater and dbw and their ilk will just go "BUT BUT OBAMA SOCIALIST BIRTH CERTIFICATE COMMUNISM LIBERAL BLAH BLAH OBAMA SUCKS AND HE IS IN BED WITH THE BANKSTERS".

posted by anonymouscoward on Dec 11, 2011 at 01:57:17 am     #  

Coward your just wrong and will never see it. END program.

posted by Linecrosser on Dec 11, 2011 at 02:43:43 am     #  

Linecrosser posted at 01:43:43 AM on Dec 11, 2011:

Coward your just wrong and will never see it. END program.

No, YOU'RE wrong, particularly with the use of "your" instead of "you're", and this isn't a holodeck so there is no program to end (but if there was one, you'd be gone).

posted by anonymouscoward on Dec 11, 2011 at 12:24:30 pm     #  

Ah well ignorance is bliss isn't it.

posted by Linecrosser on Dec 12, 2011 at 12:58:45 am     #  

Linecrosser posted at 11:58:45 PM on Dec 11, 2011:

Ah well ignorance is bliss isn't it.

Must be, given that you TeaTards like to stick your fingers in your ears any time you are presented with real facts instead of right-wing deception and lies.

posted by anonymouscoward on Dec 12, 2011 at 01:47:38 am     #  

You are amazingly hilarious. The only thing funnier is you believe your own hype. Good luck on the future if you get what you want for the country.

posted by Linecrosser on Dec 12, 2011 at 04:03:17 am     #  

http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2011/knowless/final.pdf

Linecrosser doesn't cross lines, he draws them in the sand and then sticks his head in.

posted by anonymouscoward on Dec 12, 2011 at 09:46:59 am     #  

anonymouscoward very good links! I've been hearing this stuff and preaching about this form of media propaganda on TT and SB. Now we see the results with a Club of Liars, Demagogues and Ignoramuses

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/12/11/frum-fox-news-creates-an-alternative-knowledge-system/

http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2011/knowless/final.pdf

posted by wolfman on Dec 12, 2011 at 12:03:55 pm     #  

With the consolidation of corporate radio around the country so goes the diversity of choices. Recently KGO fired most of it liberal talk show hosts and replaced it with a all news format. The liberal Bay area community is livid and plans to fight back against KGO’s parent company, Cumulus Media
http://www.radiosurvivor.com/2011/12/07/talk-radio-lovers-facebook-and-tweet-pain-over-kgo-host-bloodbath/

posted by wolfman on Dec 12, 2011 at 12:10:49 pm     #  

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/12/12/tea-party-group-compares-obama-to-a-skunk/

Keep on associating yourself with those racists, ToledoTalk TeaTards.

posted by anonymouscoward on Dec 12, 2011 at 08:08:35 pm     #  

Again you show yourself as a joke, did Barney give you those lines?

posted by Linecrosser on Dec 13, 2011 at 09:58:21 am     #  

Again with implying I am a homosexual. Someone's insecurities are showing.

posted by anonymouscoward on Dec 13, 2011 at 11:34:16 am     #  

Ok then maybe Sen Reid gave them to you.

posted by Linecrosser on Dec 13, 2011 at 12:00:04 pm     #  

Yeah, I'm on a first name basis with him and Darth Michael Moore and Emperor Soros, I'm actually the first person on the list and get the day's talking points at 12:01am.

Get real. Apparently the idea of an independent who loathes the current state of the conservative movement is unfathomable to you. Then again, you kicked out all the sane people out of the GOP long ago, so it's no wonder why you can't comprehend the concept.

posted by anonymouscoward on Dec 13, 2011 at 01:31:16 pm     #  

Independent laugh, your as liberal as they come.

posted by Linecrosser on Dec 13, 2011 at 01:48:58 pm     #  

I didn't move to the left. The TeaOP dug up the goal posts and moved them far, far to the right.

posted by anonymouscoward on Dec 13, 2011 at 07:20:17 pm     #  

PIRA - care to link to you data?

posted by SensorG on Dec 15, 2011 at 04:50:52 pm     #  

When I saw the title of this thread, I thought it would be an invitation to an exclusive club that wolfman created.

posted by dell_diva on Dec 15, 2011 at 06:02:27 pm     #  

Think Wolf went to go party at Ryan's house.

posted by Linecrosser on Dec 16, 2011 at 02:50:05 am     #  

."Now, just think you lying unionized thieves , who destroy property...you know EXACTLY, what I;m referring to , don't you ?!"

! posted by PIRA on Dec 15, 2011 at 03:36:16 pm # + ' '

Any stealing done by union workers pales in comparison to what white collar criminals steal from the general public.Union members are only about 12% of the workforce in this country and yet yahoos like you want to blame all the ills of this country on workers that belong to unions.Also,I have been in several manufacturing facilities and in most places the worker has to work at the pace dictated by how fast management wants the equipment to run.If a worker does not keep up with their machine on a regular basis,they will be disciplined for poor work performance.I don't know where you get this snails pace B.S..Companies have production standards that must be adhered to or management will eliminate workers and find people that can keep up with their processes.

posted by buckeye278 on Dec 16, 2011 at 11:17:52 am     #  

So you admit that union workers steal from the company? And then justify it by saying someone else steals more than you?

posted by Linecrosser on Dec 16, 2011 at 03:53:51 pm     #  

Yes, everything is the Unions fault even though unionization is at 60 year low (like taxes) and right to work states have some of the highest unemployment…damn unions!

posted by SensorG on Dec 16, 2011 at 04:36:06 pm     #  

Have the public sector unions also fallen in numbers like the private sector unions?

posted by Linecrosser on Dec 16, 2011 at 04:39:21 pm     #  

Should have said 70 year low for union membership...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/22/business/22union.html

Down for public sector unions too...

In 2009, for the first time in American history, government employees accounted for more than half the nation’s union membership, but the percentage of government workers in unions fell to 36.2 percent last year, down from 37.4 percent the previous year.

Wow, taxes at 60 year low, union membership of 70 year low...what are conservatives bitching about again?

posted by SensorG on Dec 16, 2011 at 05:06:44 pm     #  

PIRA too funny! Lets not even figure the thievery on Wall Street (2008) that lead us here. Union membership is down to around 8% in the private sector from a high of 35% in the 1950s. Ever since we have been backsliding into where were have one out of two children living in poverty. http://www.poweroftheweb.net/child-poverty-in-america-is-absolutely-exploding-16-shocking-statistics-that-will-break-your-heart/

posted by wolfman on Dec 16, 2011 at 10:24:16 pm     #  

"So you admit that union workers steal from the company? And then justify it by saying someone else steals more than you?"

Any type of stealing is just wrong,but I would be naive to say that there is no stealing at all by union workers.Also,where did I say that I was stealing?You used the word you in reference to me.No where did I say that I stole and that it is okay to do so.

Pira,are you saying that all non-union workers and white collar workers that make up the vast majority of the work force do not steal also?By saying this,I do not condone any type of stealing by any worker whether they are union or non union,but for you to make an issue of just union workers is rediculous.Was Bernie Madoff a union worker?He probably stole more than all of the union workers put together.

posted by buckeye278 on Dec 17, 2011 at 11:41:28 am     #  

PIRA posted at 05:35:59 PM on Dec 16, 2011:

I generally loathe to prove myself to Liberal heathens however, check studies by The National Legal & Policy Center ,along with John M. Olin Institute For Employment Practice, by economists Richard Vedder & Lowell Galloway.

Dead weight economic losses are not one-shot impacts on our society, it is an annual occurrence !!
Every unionist knows of slowed production, theft, destruction, of where they work. Lying about it is as laughable as anything !

So in other words you're just an asshole conservative troll who likes to assert shit without backing it up. The "Liberal heathens" is just the cherry on top of your steaming pile.

At least I throw up links to my sources.

posted by anonymouscoward on Dec 18, 2011 at 07:55:59 pm     #  

PIRA = ProfProvo = TyCoon = Troll...

He'll just create another account with yet another name next week...

posted by SensorG on Dec 19, 2011 at 01:33:30 pm     #  

I wonder if that's Fequal again, actually.

posted by anonymouscoward on Dec 19, 2011 at 02:22:14 pm     #  

It was me, I have 2,000 accounts and I post on both sides of the issues. j/k

posted by Linecrosser on Dec 19, 2011 at 02:23:38 pm     #  

TyCoon/PIRA is to the conservatives what AC and wolfman are to the liberals - nutjob embarrassments.

posted by dell_diva on Dec 19, 2011 at 03:25:44 pm     #  

dell_diva posted at 02:25:44 PM on Dec 19, 2011:

TyCoon/PIRA is to the conservatives what AC and wolfman are to the liberals - nutjob embarrassments.

How many times do I need to tell you fucking moron TeaTards that I'm not a liberal? I am however disgusted beyond belief with what the so-called "conservative" establishment has become and how many people like you TeaTards continue to swim in that cesspool. You dumbasses can't even find an honest intelligent selfless person to be the county GOP head, let alone run for President. Then you all talk about less government and more freedom while passing laws telling people who they can and can't marry (violating the freedom of association and equal protection rights of the Constitution) while railing about how evil commie pinko socialist Obama is on account of what kind of lightbulbs you can't use.

The GOP priority, as said by the SENATE MINORITY LEADER, is to make Obama a one-term president. It is NOT to fix the economy, create jobs, or do anything else in the service of the people. They won't do ANYTHING that could possibly make Obama look good, which means they won't do ANYTHING in a bipartisan manner that benefits YOU AND ME. And this bullshit goes all the way down to the local level where The Stain is being a huge douchebag to anyone that gets in the way of his kind of right-wing politics, including any Republican who dares work with or help out Democrats.

The Republicans will not serve the people that elected them. They serve the people who buy them (via campaign donations). And this rot is starting to infect the Democrats as well, and you TeaTards won't even pull your heads out of your asses long enough to agree that the government is broken because the politicians are bought and sold, and that we need to get rid of the two-party system and do actual election reform and figure out how to get ALL the money out of the system, regardless of whether it comes from the Kochs and Walmart and the banks or Soros and the unions.

posted by anonymouscoward on Dec 19, 2011 at 05:58:24 pm     #  

Main Street Small Businesses Stand with Occupy Wall Street
http://egpnews.com/?p=33168
By Kit Schackner

Quote from article:

"Main Street small businesses like mine are part of the 99 percent who have suffered in the Great Recession.
There are few business owners in my acquaintance — I should say no business owners in my acquaintance, from convenience store owners to construction businesses to dentists, who have not felt the effects of the financial meltdown.

We have struggled to retain our employees in the face of declining revenues while our fuel costs and health insurance costs have risen precipitously. We have found our lines of commercial credit curtailed. Many of us have dipped into our home equity to keep our businesses afloat in the face of reduced commercial lending. Many of us have had to lay people off — one of the worst things a small business owner has to do.

As we discount our prices in an effort to keep business coming in, our bank fees increase, our rents rise, and (if we’re lucky) our mortgages stay fixed even as our equity shrinks. It is no wonder that we feel solidarity with Occupy Wall Street.

Those at the top of the financial chain who share direct responsibility for this recession have not been held accountable. They have not suffered the losses they have visited on millions of small businesses across America. While Main Street struggles to cover costs, make payroll and stay in business, Wall Street continues to bank record profits. The salaries at the top haven’t declined; the bonuses appear to keep rolling in. Those at the top of the heap appear untouchable." (MORE)
http://egpnews.com/?p=33168

posted by wolfman on Dec 20, 2011 at 04:04:43 am     #  

At least they are looking at the previous CEO's of Fanny and Freddy though Wolf. Maybe they need to look at those who had government oversight of Fanny and Freddy as well like Barny Franks and his pals.

posted by Linecrosser on Dec 20, 2011 at 04:22:37 am     #  

The bailouts were supposed to keep the commercial credit lines moving. That didn't happen and that's why GM and Chrysler went under. That's why a lot of other businesses ended up closing - they couldn't get commercial loans. If you were sufficiently large and good friends with a bank though you didn't have trouble. Go take a look at the Fortune 500 and see who from which company serves on other companies' boards.

posted by anonymouscoward on Dec 20, 2011 at 11:49:24 am     #  

Wow TyCoon...off your meds again?

posted by SensorG on Dec 20, 2011 at 12:58:53 pm     #  

That's some of the worst punctuation I've seen in a long time. Fifth-graders do a better job.

posted by anonymouscoward on Dec 20, 2011 at 01:10:31 pm     #  

PIRA posted at 01:38:37 PM on Dec 20, 2011:

825,000 Demonrat imbeciles who voted for OweBaMao Bin Lying, have switched Parties in 8 battle ground States.Apparently, sponges who bought into OweBaMao Hussein's, Hope & Changey lies, aren't taking any more chances on fatherless bastards, who run with America haters like Soros,Alinsky,and Slick Willy.Hey, how'd your Summer of Wreckovery Part III, do you epecines ? Lord, are all Demonrats as stupid as they post ? Thought so...

Do you have a source, or are you pulling your figures out of the ass of some talking head on Fox News?

posted by anonymouscoward on Dec 20, 2011 at 09:13:47 pm     #  

AC- PIRA's only sources are the voices in his head and maybe the talking dog out in the yard.

posted by SensorG on Dec 20, 2011 at 09:19:20 pm     #  

If you can't write in English and produce sources for your assertions, nobody's going to believe you're anything other than one of the raving homeless people who stumbled into the library to shit on the keyboard of one of the computers there.

posted by anonymouscoward on Dec 21, 2011 at 11:47:01 am     #  

In fact, let me make that an ultimatum. Post your source for your above figures, or be destroyed. :)

posted by anonymouscoward on Dec 21, 2011 at 11:50:55 am     #  

Also, if not one "conservative" on this board calls "PIRA" out on "its" above post, I'll take that as proof that you ALL are incapable of independent thought or action and also incapable of doing anything to control the radicals of your party or of doing anything that might possibly pin the blame elsewhere. And it'd also be proof that you're incapable of revealing the truth.

posted by anonymouscoward on Dec 21, 2011 at 12:10:08 pm     #  

Yeah he should post his source, then again most of your sources are as bad as a conservative posting sources from fox.

posted by Linecrosser on Dec 21, 2011 at 12:19:38 pm     #  

Well, "PIRA", since you have posted without providing sources for your above assertion, well it's time to destroy you.

You said: "Real American's net household worth PLUMMETED 4% or, $57.4 TRILLION in the past qtr. July-September"

http://money.cnn.com/2011/12/08/news/economy/household_net_worth/index.htm

The Federal Reserve said the net worth of households fell by $2.2 trillion, or 4.1%, to end at $57.4 trillion. The decline comes to about $7,800 for every U.S. resident.

You claimed that the net worth fell $57.4 TRILLION, not $2.2 trillion. So you're either an illiterate moron or a liar.

It's the biggest decline since the $5.6 trillion loss suffered in the fourth quarter of 2008.

The drop in stocks in the quarter more than explained the overall decline in net worth, as the value of stocks held directly or indirectly fell by $3.2 trillion, or 17%.

That's a bit worse than the 14% decline in the blue-chip Standard & Poor's 500 index during the quarter. The period included the downgrade of the U.S. credit rating by S&P, along with rising worries about the risk of a new U.S. recession and a new meltdown in the financial sector due to the European debt crisis.

"PIRA": "This is a 328% INCREASE of our net worth LOSS of $17.5 TRILLION that occurred in the three years 2007-09!"

You fail at math AGAIN based on your first false assertion.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/03/24/pf/financial_crisis_outcome/index.htm
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/appearance/597749851

The best that I can find on the $17.5 trillion figure of the top of Google is the CSPAN vid citing the Federal Reserve, and the figure is until MARCH 2009. OH WAIT WHO WAS PRESIDENT FROM 2007 TO JANUARY 2009? GEORGE DUBYA BUSH!

"this quarterly loss is the highest since Oct-Dec.2008, when Fascist Demonrats, WASTED $5 TRILLION on foreign banks, crony capitalist friends of OweBaMao Bin Lying, unions , and States of Demonrat destruction."

http://money.cnn.com/2009/03/12/news/economy/flow_funds/

Last Updated: March 12, 2009: 2:45 PM ET

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Household net worth in the United States declined by $11.2 trillion last year, according to a government report issued Thursday, and Americans curbed their spending as they watched the value of their assets fall.

The Federal Reserve said household net worth, which is the difference between assets and liabilities, sunk by $5.1 trillion in the fourth quarter to $51.5 trillion. It was the sixth straight quarterly decline from the peak of $64.4 trillion in the second quarter of 2007.

Now tell me how $5 trillion of "household wealth" was spent on "foreign banks, crony capitalist friends of OweBaMao Bin Lying, unions , and States of Demonrat destruction."

Oh wait, you can't. Because George W. Bush was in office and SIGNED OFF on the bailout, which was a direct result of the lax regulation and oversight throughout his two terms. Household wealth dropped, because "household wealth" is the value of assets minus debts, and when the value of the primary asset (your house) takes a big hit, your household wealth goes in the toilet.

No, it was not "household wealth" that was spent, it was the TARP bailout and the secret government loans at the "Fed discount window" that was spent.

You have just been proven to be, at best, a fucking moron (by the "do not attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity" axiom), and at worst you are a deliberate troll. You were given an opportunity to prove your assertions, and you ignored it. The true figures were posted and pointed to you being wrong and twisting them for your own purposes. Enjoy the fact that you're thoroughly discredited, "PIRA".

As for the rest of the conservatives here, you had the opportunity to do the same and point out exactly where "PIRA" was either ignorant or lying, and you did not. In my book, you're complicit with this person. You could have spent 10 minutes on Google and corrected "PIRA" yet you all failed to do so. Since you don't want to stand up for the truth, your credibility takes the appropriate damage. Consider that from now on when you wish to argue about how "Fascist Demonrats" are ruining America.

Thank you and good night!

posted by anonymouscoward on Dec 21, 2011 at 02:44:51 pm     #  

PIRA posted at 11:00:04 AM on Dec 20, 2011:

American's, spent an additional $4,155 for gasoline this year . This amount takes about 8.4% of median incomes .This is the highest percentage since the horrible Carter-D , daze .The Demonrats War On the Middle Class, continues unabated by tax and waste Fascists.Feeling any better about your future ?!VOTE DEMONRAT: It will definitely get much, much, WORSE !SUCKERS....

Is that cheering for an encore? Okay, try this:

"spent an additional $4,155 for gasoline"

http://www.upi.com/Business_News/2011/12/20/Spending-on-gasoline-hits-a-record/UPI-98761324414822/?spt=hs&or=bn

On average the price of gasoline for 2011 has been $3.52 per gallon.

That means consumers will spend a record $481 billion on gasoline this year -- an average $4,155 per household.

Sorry, "PIRA", but that figure is TOTAL spending, not "additional". So you got caught either being a fucking moron AGAIN, or deliberately lying. Enjoy being completely and thoroughly PWNED.

: AC bows and walks offstage :

posted by anonymouscoward on Dec 21, 2011 at 02:48:05 pm     #  

(sarcasm) Yes all the people fled the union run Toledo schools that were represented by Kaptur to the union run Sylvania, Maumee and Springfield schools represented by Kaptur…(/sarcasm)

posted by SensorG on Dec 21, 2011 at 04:15:21 pm     #  

PIRA posted at 03:05:28 PM on Dec 21, 2011:

How many years have the unionized indoctrination centers known as Toledo Public Schools, been in academic crisis mode ? How many citizens have fled this Demonrat ruined berg since 1983, when Kapturd et al,landed and laid waste to all that used to be good about this town? How many Fortune 1000 companies were headquartered in Little Detroit, in 1983 and, how many are there now ? Are our roads more like smooth glass or,are they more Third World -like ? Are Demonrat criminals more deadly here or, in Detroit ? Did the above psychopath attain his GED from Waite, Woodward, Scott, or Libbey High School ? Laughing like I've never did before....REMEMBER: Vote Demonrat, you still have a whole lot to LOSE SUCKERS !!!

Generally, the people who I have met who graduated from TPS or even gotten a GED have better grammar and punctuation than you.

posted by anonymouscoward on Dec 21, 2011 at 04:15:24 pm     #  

PIRA posted at 03:48:59 PM on Dec 21, 2011:

Still holding your breath ? Jumping up and down hysterically ?
Screaming for mommy yet !?

I can make you do anything I desire...get used to it you whiny, miserable,addle brained epecine!It gives me great, grand, and Glorious pleasure ...Which country did Champion Spark Plug flee Toledo, to ? SUCKER !!!

Nah, just waiting for the banhammer to descend.

posted by anonymouscoward on Dec 21, 2011 at 05:14:52 pm     #  

Should ban the both of you, him for extreme personal attacks and you for trolling him along.

posted by Linecrosser on Dec 21, 2011 at 08:36:11 pm     #  

If that's the case, Liney, you'd be going out the door too for the comments about me and Barney Frank, as "extreme personal attacks". :)

posted by anonymouscoward on Dec 21, 2011 at 09:17:08 pm     #  

SensorG posted at 08:19:20 PM on Dec 20, 2011:

AC- PIRA's only sources are the voices in his head and maybe the talking dog out in the yard.

Am I the only one jealous that this nut has a talking dog?

posted by WalleyeWinger on Dec 21, 2011 at 09:39:30 pm     #  

Son of Sam had a talking dog...

posted by SensorG on Dec 21, 2011 at 11:50:31 pm     #