A Club of Liars, Demagogues and Ignoramuses

Sure so because Republicans made a huge overstep and mistake Obama gets a free pass? Keep running Barry the Bankster, I'm sure one day he will become the legend he is in your mind.

Congressman Ron Paul calls Wikileaks Bradely Manning Hero

Fantasy Land is calling they want to know when you will be back to the funny farm.

this post is a politicians perfect screwtape letter.

the politicians get both sides to argue hypotheticals and rumours and conspiracies and nobody meets in the middle to solve actual policy questions. who wins this pissing match? politicians who keep getting re-elected and the connected interests on both sides who have their hand in our pockets.

"Both sides suck, so vote Republican", is that what you're saying? Because that's what I'm hearing.

Love how delusional you are that I somehow put Obama on a pedestal and sacrifice puppies and kittens in his name or whatever. He's not all that and a bag of chips, but he's better than the TeaOP. (In the same way that having a cavity filled without Novocaine is better than having two root canals done with a dull drill by a crazed sadistic dentist who then forces you to gargle with pepper spray afterwards.)

Keep on sucking that Koch, dude, I hear that if you make 10k posts dissing Obama you get the privilege of paying $250 to have dinner with them and the rest of the real TeaOP leadership.

The liberals are so ultra left now that a middle of the road moderate now seems conservative to them.

Not even close Linecrosser. Republicans have moved so far to he right, even Reagan would be considered a RINO by today's standards.

Obama is nothing but a 70's Republican. Only 5-10 years ago Cap and Trade and Healthcare Mandates were Republican ideas that they championed. Now they are 'communist' ideas.

The left and center haven't moved further to the left, it only seems like that because Republicans have moved to the right.

I was going to point out exactly how wrong you are, but you wouldn't be able to see or hear me out because your head is so far up your ass you're looking at the back of your teeth.

You know who's a moderate Republican? OBAMA. You know who else? Huntsman. You know who's a poor excuse for a moderate Republican? Romney.

Perry, Bachmann, and Santorum have all expressed the radical Republican belief that the USA is a Christian nation and that the government should be promoting Christian values via legislation, which is GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE IN PRIVATE LIVES... something that Republicans were AGAINST up until Karl Rove and the Neoconservative movement along with Newt Gingrich started pushing in the latter part of the Clinton years and rode into office on in 2000 with Bush.

RON PAUL is a Libertarian who is too chickenshit to run under the Libertarian party banner. The Republican party only tolerates him because he brings a good number of Libertarians in to blindly vote (R). I would honestly vote Libertarian if it wasn't for the fact that the LP thinks business will police itself and act in the interest of society, which time and again has proven to be untrue (because if a business can make more money by dumping chemicals in the ditch behind the plant and get away with it, they will, for example). So I believe in regulation, but not the fucked-up mess of regulation we have now, it needs to be cleaned up and simplified and all the little loopholes and exceptions and conflicting parts need to be gone. Regulation needs to be intelligent and flexible, not a tangled mess that only serves to keep lawyers employed. I've had some nice long discussions with a self-described "libertarian" and what he describes of "libertarian" regulation (basically, everything goes to a court to decide) scares the crap out of me.

Now if you want me to name actual liberal liberals, I'd consider Kucinich and Bernie Sanders.

I'd say it's a really funny fucking thing that you and your Teabagging ilk have a huge cow with how government spends your money, but when government tells people how to live their lives by enforcing a particular religious belief system, you ENJOY it. COGNITIVE DISSONANCE. Government shouldn't be telling people how to live their lives either.

Fooled once, will the Tea Party come back for more?
http://www.toledoblade.com/MarilouJohanek/2011/12/10/Fooled-once-will-the-Tea-Party-come-back-for-more.html

SO TRUE! They forgot Nixon created the EPA! What the blue FUCK ever happened to "environmental conservation" by Republicans?!? REPUBLICANS ARE CONSERVATIVES, WHY ARE THEY NOT FOR CONSERVING THE ENVIRONMENT, ENERGY, AND WHAT OIL IS LEFT UNDER AMERICA? WHY ARE THEY NOT FOR CONSERVING AMERICAN DOLLARS BY NOT SPENDING THEM ON BOMBING SHIT OVERSEAS? WHY ARE THEY PASSING BILLS RESTRICTING THE RIGHTS OF AMERICANS?

And, to really stir up some shit, let me ask the question of why Republicans are not in favor of conserving millions of welfare and charity and other dollars by supporting contraception and abortion access so women can choose not to pop out a kid instead of having to have a kid they don't want that is statistically more likely to become a criminal who costs the public more dollars to prosecute and incarcerate. (This is actually addressed in the book Freakonomics which even if you dislike its conclusions is still a good read.)

"Government shouldn't be telling people how to live their lives either." - This from the guy who supports govt telling the light bulbs you can have in your house, and what toilets you can have in your bathroom. Either you have Liberty or you don't.

See you "progressives" love to shout Liberty and Democracy till to comes to matter you don't like. See Democracy is fine with you until it votes down something you don't like (California Prop 8) but government like New York forcing gay marriage laws on the State without putting it through the Democratic process is a good thing right? Scream Liberty but you wish to take others financial Liberty and increase the amount of money we shovel into the Federal Furnace without real change in governance.

I'm sorry, dbw, I don't understand your wharrgarbl. "See Democracy is fine with you until it votes down something you don't like (California Prop 8) but government like New York forcing gay marriage laws on the State without putting it through the Democratic process is a good thing right?" Explain further.

lest we forget - clinton moved more of the republican agenda than any president in perhaps all of history. the right in a fit of hubris still needed to attempt to oust him because he had out politiced them in his re-election. the current all-time low taxes (and related budget deficits), out of control defense budget, and unregulated business and industry should have the right happy... but the country keeps getting drawn further right and into more trouble - all based on false assertions of personal liberty, national security, and supply side - all smoke and mirrors. republican policy has gotten us where we are today.

so sad nixon and kennedy were so close to national health care and didn't get it finished!

FUCK YES.

If I may quote some extracts from Wikipedia:

Clinton signed off on NAFTA (and Ross Perot was right on about that giant sucking sound!).

Clinton signed off on cutting welfare (which is one of the right-wing's biggest bitch points).

Clinton signed off on the Graham-Leach-Bliley Act that repealed Glass-Steagall that had previously kept investment banks, commercial banks, securities, and insurance separate... so he signed off on creating banks that are "too big to fail".

Clinton signed off on Commodity Futures Modernization Act that created the derivatives the too-big-to-fail bank fucked the market with.

Clinton signed Defense of Marriage Act, 'nuff said.

Clinton signed the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, thus making copyright infringement a more serious crime than FEDERAL GROSS SEXUAL ASSAULT (that's right, copying a MP3 file that sells for 99 cents has a harsher penalty than sexual assault short of penetration! ALL HAIL THE POWER OF THE HOLLYWOOD AND MEDIA LOBBY!)

And yet, as EES pointed out, Clinton got nothing but shit from the GOP every minute of every day.

Now watch how since I pointed this out the ToledoTalk TeaTards will blame Clinton for everything that passed a Republican House under the control of their current front-runner Presidential candidate! Anyone with a room temperature IQ knows that the Republican party is full of shit and their supporters make rocks and trees look like the combination of Einstein and Stephen Hawking. But Line-Repeater and dbw and their ilk will just go "BUT BUT OBAMA SOCIALIST BIRTH CERTIFICATE COMMUNISM LIBERAL BLAH BLAH OBAMA SUCKS AND HE IS IN BED WITH THE BANKSTERS".

Coward your just wrong and will never see it. END program.

No, YOU'RE wrong, particularly with the use of "your" instead of "you're", and this isn't a holodeck so there is no program to end (but if there was one, you'd be gone).

Ah well ignorance is bliss isn't it.

Must be, given that you TeaTards like to stick your fingers in your ears any time you are presented with real facts instead of right-wing deception and lies.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/12/11/frum-fox-news-creates-an-alternative-knowledge-system/

You are amazingly hilarious. The only thing funnier is you believe your own hype. Good luck on the future if you get what you want for the country.

http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2011/knowless/final.pdf

Linecrosser doesn't cross lines, he draws them in the sand and then sticks his head in.

anonymouscoward very good links! I've been hearing this stuff and preaching about this form of media propaganda on TT and SB. Now we see the results with a Club of Liars, Demagogues and Ignoramuses

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/12/11/frum-fox-news-creates-an-alternative-knowledge-system/

http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2011/knowless/final.pdf

With the consolidation of corporate radio around the country so goes the diversity of choices. Recently KGO fired most of it liberal talk show hosts and replaced it with a all news format. The liberal Bay area community is livid and plans to fight back against KGO’s parent company, Cumulus Media
http://www.radiosurvivor.com/2011/12/07/talk-radio-lovers-facebook-and-tweet-pain-over-kgo-host-bloodbath/

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/12/12/tea-party-group-compares-obama-to-a-skunk/

Keep on associating yourself with those racists, ToledoTalk TeaTards.

Again you show yourself as a joke, did Barney give you those lines?

Again with implying I am a homosexual. Someone's insecurities are showing.

Ok then maybe Sen Reid gave them to you.

Yeah, I'm on a first name basis with him and Darth Michael Moore and Emperor Soros, I'm actually the first person on the list and get the day's talking points at 12:01am.

Get real. Apparently the idea of an independent who loathes the current state of the conservative movement is unfathomable to you. Then again, you kicked out all the sane people out of the GOP long ago, so it's no wonder why you can't comprehend the concept.

Independent laugh, your as liberal as they come.

I didn't move to the left. The TeaOP dug up the goal posts and moved them far, far to the right.

PIRA - care to link to you data?

When I saw the title of this thread, I thought it would be an invitation to an exclusive club that wolfman created.

Think Wolf went to go party at Ryan's house.

."Now, just think you lying unionized thieves , who destroy property...you know EXACTLY, what I;m referring to , don't you ?!"

! posted by PIRA on Dec 15, 2011 at 03:36:16 pm # + ' '

Any stealing done by union workers pales in comparison to what white collar criminals steal from the general public.Union members are only about 12% of the workforce in this country and yet yahoos like you want to blame all the ills of this country on workers that belong to unions.Also,I have been in several manufacturing facilities and in most places the worker has to work at the pace dictated by how fast management wants the equipment to run.If a worker does not keep up with their machine on a regular basis,they will be disciplined for poor work performance.I don't know where you get this snails pace B.S..Companies have production standards that must be adhered to or management will eliminate workers and find people that can keep up with their processes.

So you admit that union workers steal from the company? And then justify it by saying someone else steals more than you?

Yes, everything is the Unions fault even though unionization is at 60 year low (like taxes) and right to work states have some of the highest unemployment…damn unions!

Have the public sector unions also fallen in numbers like the private sector unions?

Should have said 70 year low for union membership...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/22/business/22union.html

Down for public sector unions too...

In 2009, for the first time in American history, government employees accounted for more than half the nation’s union membership, but the percentage of government workers in unions fell to 36.2 percent last year, down from 37.4 percent the previous year.

Wow, taxes at 60 year low, union membership of 70 year low...what are conservatives bitching about again?

PIRA too funny! Lets not even figure the thievery on Wall Street (2008) that lead us here. Union membership is down to around 8% in the private sector from a high of 35% in the 1950s. Ever since we have been backsliding into where were have one out of two children living in poverty. http://www.poweroftheweb.net/child-poverty-in-america-is-absolutely-exploding-16-shocking-statistics-that-will-break-your-heart/

"So you admit that union workers steal from the company? And then justify it by saying someone else steals more than you?"

Any type of stealing is just wrong,but I would be naive to say that there is no stealing at all by union workers.Also,where did I say that I was stealing?You used the word you in reference to me.No where did I say that I stole and that it is okay to do so.

Pira,are you saying that all non-union workers and white collar workers that make up the vast majority of the work force do not steal also?By saying this,I do not condone any type of stealing by any worker whether they are union or non union,but for you to make an issue of just union workers is rediculous.Was Bernie Madoff a union worker?He probably stole more than all of the union workers put together.

So in other words you're just an asshole conservative troll who likes to assert shit without backing it up. The "Liberal heathens" is just the cherry on top of your steaming pile.

At least I throw up links to my sources.

PIRA = ProfProvo = TyCoon = Troll...

He'll just create another account with yet another name next week...

I wonder if that's Fequal again, actually.

It was me, I have 2,000 accounts and I post on both sides of the issues. j/k

TyCoon/PIRA is to the conservatives what AC and wolfman are to the liberals - nutjob embarrassments.

How many times do I need to tell you fucking moron TeaTards that I'm not a liberal? I am however disgusted beyond belief with what the so-called "conservative" establishment has become and how many people like you TeaTards continue to swim in that cesspool. You dumbasses can't even find an honest intelligent selfless person to be the county GOP head, let alone run for President. Then you all talk about less government and more freedom while passing laws telling people who they can and can't marry (violating the freedom of association and equal protection rights of the Constitution) while railing about how evil commie pinko socialist Obama is on account of what kind of lightbulbs you can't use.

The GOP priority, as said by the SENATE MINORITY LEADER, is to make Obama a one-term president. It is NOT to fix the economy, create jobs, or do anything else in the service of the people. They won't do ANYTHING that could possibly make Obama look good, which means they won't do ANYTHING in a bipartisan manner that benefits YOU AND ME. And this bullshit goes all the way down to the local level where The Stain is being a huge douchebag to anyone that gets in the way of his kind of right-wing politics, including any Republican who dares work with or help out Democrats.

The Republicans will not serve the people that elected them. They serve the people who buy them (via campaign donations). And this rot is starting to infect the Democrats as well, and you TeaTards won't even pull your heads out of your asses long enough to agree that the government is broken because the politicians are bought and sold, and that we need to get rid of the two-party system and do actual election reform and figure out how to get ALL the money out of the system, regardless of whether it comes from the Kochs and Walmart and the banks or Soros and the unions.

Main Street Small Businesses Stand with Occupy Wall Street
http://egpnews.com/?p=33168
By Kit Schackner

Quote from article:

"Main Street small businesses like mine are part of the 99 percent who have suffered in the Great Recession.
There are few business owners in my acquaintance — I should say no business owners in my acquaintance, from convenience store owners to construction businesses to dentists, who have not felt the effects of the financial meltdown.

We have struggled to retain our employees in the face of declining revenues while our fuel costs and health insurance costs have risen precipitously. We have found our lines of commercial credit curtailed. Many of us have dipped into our home equity to keep our businesses afloat in the face of reduced commercial lending. Many of us have had to lay people off — one of the worst things a small business owner has to do.

As we discount our prices in an effort to keep business coming in, our bank fees increase, our rents rise, and (if we’re lucky) our mortgages stay fixed even as our equity shrinks. It is no wonder that we feel solidarity with Occupy Wall Street.

Those at the top of the financial chain who share direct responsibility for this recession have not been held accountable. They have not suffered the losses they have visited on millions of small businesses across America. While Main Street struggles to cover costs, make payroll and stay in business, Wall Street continues to bank record profits. The salaries at the top haven’t declined; the bonuses appear to keep rolling in. Those at the top of the heap appear untouchable." (MORE)
http://egpnews.com/?p=33168

At least they are looking at the previous CEO's of Fanny and Freddy though Wolf. Maybe they need to look at those who had government oversight of Fanny and Freddy as well like Barny Franks and his pals.

The bailouts were supposed to keep the commercial credit lines moving. That didn't happen and that's why GM and Chrysler went under. That's why a lot of other businesses ended up closing - they couldn't get commercial loans. If you were sufficiently large and good friends with a bank though you didn't have trouble. Go take a look at the Fortune 500 and see who from which company serves on other companies' boards.

Wow TyCoon...off your meds again?

That's some of the worst punctuation I've seen in a long time. Fifth-graders do a better job.

Do you have a source, or are you pulling your figures out of the ass of some talking head on Fox News?

AC- PIRA's only sources are the voices in his head and maybe the talking dog out in the yard.

If you can't write in English and produce sources for your assertions, nobody's going to believe you're anything other than one of the raving homeless people who stumbled into the library to shit on the keyboard of one of the computers there.

In fact, let me make that an ultimatum. Post your source for your above figures, or be destroyed. :)

Also, if not one "conservative" on this board calls "PIRA" out on "its" above post, I'll take that as proof that you ALL are incapable of independent thought or action and also incapable of doing anything to control the radicals of your party or of doing anything that might possibly pin the blame elsewhere. And it'd also be proof that you're incapable of revealing the truth.

Yeah he should post his source, then again most of your sources are as bad as a conservative posting sources from fox.

Well, "PIRA", since you have posted without providing sources for your above assertion, well it's time to destroy you.

You said: "Real American's net household worth PLUMMETED 4% or, $57.4 TRILLION in the past qtr. July-September"

http://money.cnn.com/2011/12/08/news/economy/household_net_worth/index.htm

You claimed that the net worth fell $57.4 TRILLION, not $2.2 trillion. So you're either an illiterate moron or a liar.

"PIRA": "This is a 328% INCREASE of our net worth LOSS of $17.5 TRILLION that occurred in the three years 2007-09!"

You fail at math AGAIN based on your first false assertion.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/03/24/pf/financial_crisis_outcome/index.htm
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/appearance/597749851

The best that I can find on the $17.5 trillion figure of the top of Google is the CSPAN vid citing the Federal Reserve, and the figure is until MARCH 2009. OH WAIT WHO WAS PRESIDENT FROM 2007 TO JANUARY 2009? GEORGE DUBYA BUSH!

"this quarterly loss is the highest since Oct-Dec.2008, when Fascist Demonrats, WASTED $5 TRILLION on foreign banks, crony capitalist friends of OweBaMao Bin Lying, unions , and States of Demonrat destruction."

http://money.cnn.com/2009/03/12/news/economy/flow_funds/

Now tell me how $5 trillion of "household wealth" was spent on "foreign banks, crony capitalist friends of OweBaMao Bin Lying, unions , and States of Demonrat destruction."

Oh wait, you can't. Because George W. Bush was in office and SIGNED OFF on the bailout, which was a direct result of the lax regulation and oversight throughout his two terms. Household wealth dropped, because "household wealth" is the value of assets minus debts, and when the value of the primary asset (your house) takes a big hit, your household wealth goes in the toilet.

No, it was not "household wealth" that was spent, it was the TARP bailout and the secret government loans at the "Fed discount window" that was spent.

You have just been proven to be, at best, a fucking moron (by the "do not attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity" axiom), and at worst you are a deliberate troll. You were given an opportunity to prove your assertions, and you ignored it. The true figures were posted and pointed to you being wrong and twisting them for your own purposes. Enjoy the fact that you're thoroughly discredited, "PIRA".

As for the rest of the conservatives here, you had the opportunity to do the same and point out exactly where "PIRA" was either ignorant or lying, and you did not. In my book, you're complicit with this person. You could have spent 10 minutes on Google and corrected "PIRA" yet you all failed to do so. Since you don't want to stand up for the truth, your credibility takes the appropriate damage. Consider that from now on when you wish to argue about how "Fascist Demonrats" are ruining America.

Thank you and good night!

Is that cheering for an encore? Okay, try this:

"spent an additional $4,155 for gasoline"

http://www.upi.com/Business_News/2011/12/20/Spending-on-gasoline-hits-a-record/UPI-98761324414822/?spt=hs&or=bn

Sorry, "PIRA", but that figure is TOTAL spending, not "additional". So you got caught either being a fucking moron AGAIN, or deliberately lying. Enjoy being completely and thoroughly PWNED.

: AC bows and walks offstage :

(sarcasm) Yes all the people fled the union run Toledo schools that were represented by Kaptur to the union run Sylvania, Maumee and Springfield schools represented by Kaptur…(/sarcasm)

Generally, the people who I have met who graduated from TPS or even gotten a GED have better grammar and punctuation than you.

Nah, just waiting for the banhammer to descend.

Should ban the both of you, him for extreme personal attacks and you for trolling him along.

If that's the case, Liney, you'd be going out the door too for the comments about me and Barney Frank, as "extreme personal attacks". :)

Am I the only one jealous that this nut has a talking dog?

Son of Sam had a talking dog...