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Brian Wilson ticks off Mark Levin

Was listening to WJR out of Detroit, didn't bother trying to tune into WSPD to verify but from Mark was saying on air he has dropped WSPD as an affiliate because he claims Mark was trying to influence his opinion of Ron Paul. So it might not be much longer for Brian at WSPD in that case when he starts losing contracts for the station hehehe.

created by Linecrosser on Feb 16, 2012 at 11:18:21 pm     Politics     Comments: 55

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Hmmm...

998 out of 1000 broadcasting decisions come down to money, IMHO, but here is a relevant link to the story. Oldhometown should be able to offer an informed insider view, but suffice to say that even an ideologue like BW factors the bottom line into the equation. I suspect that the politics are the cover for a rational financial decision here.

posted by historymike on Feb 16, 2012 at 11:33:13 pm     #  

Eh, the show runs from 10P-12Mid. Practically the overnight. This show is not a big money generator at all for the station. It gets preempted by sports many times throughout the year. I don't see this having either a ratings or financial impact at all.

There are plenty of nighttime fillers for Levin's spot--Jerry Doyle, Rusty Humphries, Todd Schnitt, etc.

Here's Levin's take on the situation. Waah waah. He shouldn't have talked about it because he still has over 200 affiliates. Drop this one, pick up another one, that's the way the game works:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eL_JBw_lY0

posted by oldhometown on Feb 16, 2012 at 11:48:18 pm     #  

"... but from Mark was saying on air he has dropped WSPD as an affiliate because he claims Mark was trying to influence his opinion of Ron Paul."

You lost me. Who did what to whom?

I've listened to AM radio since grade school. Sports, news, whatever. When I was a kid, I listened to WCCO out of Minneapolis on winter mornings, so I could hear about Minnesota weather, especially the temperature at International Falls. At night, I listened to WBZ out of Boston or KYW out of Philadelphia or WCBS out of New York. In college, I listened to WLW out of Cincinnati. I stayed up late studying and listening to the Truckin Bozo. And of course, I've been a long-time fan of Coast to Coast.

I have heard Mark Levin on the radio, and I would say that he is by far the worst radio person that I have ever heard on the airways. Thunderstorm static provides more intelligent information than anything spewed by Levin. If irritable bowel syndrome has a sound, it would surely be Mark Levin.

posted by jr on Feb 16, 2012 at 11:53:16 pm     #  

Shrug can only relay what he said as I remember it, he was claiming that Brian wanted him to revise his statements on Ron Paul and that he refused. Hes claiming that Brian wants to dictate his content on his show. Only heard his side of it so cant comment on if its a fact only what he said.

posted by Linecrosser on Feb 16, 2012 at 11:58:04 pm     #  

crazy. not in the car enough during brian's set, but that seems kind of bone headed.

posted by upso on Feb 17, 2012 at 12:18:54 am     #  

Dangerous propagandist! A trend in AM radio. Worst thing to ever happen to the once great WSPD.

posted by wolfman on Feb 17, 2012 at 04:07:11 am     #  

Looks like those who made comments on the link provided are largely cheering WSPD. Good PR.

I commend Brian for taking a stand - but I have no idea why Levin would give a rats ass about the Toledo market.

posted by Molsonator on Feb 17, 2012 at 09:09:41 am     #  

If irritable bowel syndrome has a sound, it would surely be Mark Levin.

This is one of the funniest thing I've read in a long time!

posted by MaggieThurber on Feb 17, 2012 at 09:19:25 am     #  

posted by wolfman on Feb 17, 2012 at 09:36:48 am     #  

WSPD HATE Radio's finest hour! Too funny! You can't make this stuff up.

posted by wolfman on Feb 17, 2012 at 10:03:37 am     #  

Molsonator posted at 08:09:41 AM on Feb 17, 2012:

Looks like those who made comments on the link provided are largely cheering WSPD. Good PR.

I commend Brian for taking a stand - but I have no idea why Levin would give a rats ass about the Toledo market.

No no no, he is paid to care about the "Romney Market". A Paul election means him and his buddies stop suckling off the government boob.

posted by dbw8906 on Feb 17, 2012 at 10:35:51 am     #  

Molsonator posted at 08:09:41 AM on Feb 17, 2012:

Looks like those who made comments on the link provided are largely cheering WSPD. Good PR.

I commend Brian for taking a stand - but I have no idea why Levin would give a rats ass about the Toledo market.

Seeing that the provided link is from the Daily Paul, I'm not surprised in the least that the comments are largely cheering WSPD. If anything, I'm more surprised I didn't see any of the outward anti-Semitism that tends to be show up when Ronulans get worked up in a frenzy over Mark Levin.

posted by RBancroft on Feb 17, 2012 at 10:41:22 am     #  

Daily Paul...I didn't catch that. Strike the analysis of the comments made. My bad.

posted by Molsonator on Feb 17, 2012 at 10:48:13 am     #  

Well huh. I know Brian Wilson the songwriting genius (and musician) and Brian Wilson the shutdown closer. I think I'll just leave it at those two and call it a day.

posted by Johio83 on Feb 17, 2012 at 10:51:38 am     #   2 people liked this

Here are the emails:

First, Brian sends this email to the affiliate relations guy for Levin’s show:

From:Wilson, Brian (Toledo) [mailto:Brian@WSPD.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 2:49 PM
To: Darion Melito
Subject: RE: WSPD-AM Levin
http://freekeene.com/2012/02/17/wkbk-drops-hatemonger-talk-show-host-mark-levin/

posted by wolfman on Feb 17, 2012 at 03:02:45 pm     #   1 person liked this

Levin's and Wilson's e-mails back and forth are too funny. If those two massive egos ever got in the same room no doubt a black hole would form, sucking in the entire galaxy.

posted by SensorG on Feb 17, 2012 at 03:34:41 pm     #   4 people liked this

Now that I can't agree more with SensorG!

posted by Molsonator on Feb 17, 2012 at 03:38:34 pm     #  

A few weeks ago a poll came out claiming that if Ron Paul didn't get the GOP nomination, 20% of all Republicans would suddenly become Obama voters. It was conducted by a Ron Paul pollster who claims he conducted the poll for someone else and not his employer. That pollster used to work for Wilson at WSPD. So it looks like Wilson is just sticking up for his peeps.

As an aside has anyone listened to the show they replaced Levin with? Wet garbage would be better.

posted by taliesin52 on Feb 17, 2012 at 03:46:57 pm     #   1 person liked this

Folks,

It's a show in a meaningless time slot (10P-12M). Nobody sells late nights on AM radio-- nobody. It's a time filler. You could fill that time with polkas (professorjackson???) and probably get better ratings (and I say that completely apolitically--this is just knowing how the audience flows through the day and what sales can be generated).

What makes it hard to listen for even people who lean rightward is that Levin either whispers in the mic or screams at people. Not pleasant.

If I were PD, I would get Schnitt (a Clear Channel employee) to cover that slot. Actually it doesn't matter because, as Wilson himself points out, sports in that time slot "mercifully preempts" much of the programming from 10P-12mid.

One note about the egos: Levin has a number of "chips" in his account to back up that ego, whether it is working for Reagan, working as a lawyer, or writing a couple best sellers. He's on the national scene, like him or not. Brian Wilson has done....... what exactly .........to fuel his ego? He's a mid-rated talk show host and manager in Toledo (market 92 and falling)? He used to work for WABC/New York? He survived "47 years in radio"? He is a Program Director?

I was a PD and it doesn't confer any special powers for chrissake...

posted by oldhometown on Feb 17, 2012 at 04:12:34 pm     #   6 people liked this

oldhometown I always appreciate your insights of the radio biz.
Just wondering we know Herr Wilson is supporting Ron Paul and his employer, ClearChannel, is owned by Mitt Romney's Bain Capital. Will WSPD be sending the carpetbagger down the road?

More of this story.
http://www.infowars.com/bain-capital-owns-clear-channel-romney-supported-by-talk-show-sphere/

posted by wolfman on Feb 17, 2012 at 04:46:24 pm     #  

oldhometown posted at 03:12:34 PM on Feb 17, 2012:

Folks,

It's a show in a meaningless time slot (10P-12M). Nobody sells late nights on AM radio-- nobody. It's a time filler. You could fill that time with polkas (professorjackson???) and probably get better ratings (and I say that completely apolitically--this is just knowing how the audience flows through the day and what sales can be generated).

What makes it hard to listen for even people who lean rightward is that Levin either whispers in the mic or screams at people. Not pleasant.

If I were PD, I would get Schnitt (a Clear Channel employee) to cover that slot. Actually it doesn't matter because, as Wilson himself points out, sports in that time slot "mercifully preempts" much of the programming from 10P-12mid.

One note about the egos: Levin has a number of "chips" in his account to back up that ego, whether it is working for Reagan, working as a lawyer, or writing a couple best sellers. He's on the national scene, like him or not. Brian Wilson has done....... what exactly .........to fuel his ego? He's a mid-rated talk show host and manager in Toledo (market 92 and falling)? He used to work for WABC/New York? He survived "47 years in radio"? He is a Program Director?

I was a PD and it doesn't confer any special powers for chrissake...

Your comparison of the two is exactly what has been bothering me about how Levin handled the situation, because in a debate like this you never punch down. If this irritated him that much, a better approach would have been to skip hitting reply and let someone in the blogosphere run with Wilson's email. At least then the story is about a station run by a Paul mouthpiece not renewing an affiliate agreement because out of the four major hosts, Levin has been the most critical of Paul.

posted by RBancroft on Feb 17, 2012 at 05:37:53 pm     #  

Best part of this kerfuffle came just after 5:30p when Wilson, after having his ego stroked for most of the day by the Ronulan community, had to read the results of the station's weekly poll.

Who should drop out of the Republican Presidential race?
Newt Gingrich - 37.58%
Rick Santorum - 5.28%
Mitt Romney - 10.87%
Ron Paul - 46.27%

Honestly, you can't make this stuff up. And as most probably would have expected, Wilson just couldn't resist insulting his own audience.

posted by RBancroft on Feb 18, 2012 at 12:17:39 am     #  

Maybe those listeners voted RP off the island because he's the only candidate who has not carried a state.

States carried:

  • Mitt Romney 4
  • Rick Santorum 3 or 4
  • Newt Gingrich 1
  • Ron Paul 0

posted by jr on Feb 18, 2012 at 12:50:52 am     #  

jr posted at 11:50:52 PM on Feb 17, 2012:

Maybe those listeners voted RP off the island because he's the only candidate who has not carried a state.

States carried:

  • Mitt Romney 4
  • Rick Santorum 3 or 4
  • Newt Gingrich 1
  • Ron Paul 0

No arguments here. In fact, I made a very similar point earlier in the week when the poll first went up.

Needless to say the response received was predictable.

posted by RBancroft on Feb 18, 2012 at 01:01:25 am     #  

I'm going to predict a Ron Paul independant run for president splitting the Republican vote and causing 4 more years of Obama.

posted by Linecrosser on Feb 18, 2012 at 02:31:33 am     #  

Bring Back Dr.Savage at 10:0pm!!

posted by Star56 on Feb 18, 2012 at 03:49:30 am     #  

I predict Paul won't run as an indepenendant and Obama still wins.

posted by SensorG on Feb 18, 2012 at 08:44:32 am     #   1 person liked this

Wison dropped Levin because he said mean things about Paul? If had real courage he'd drop Rush and Beck too. Those guys hate Paul too..

posted by SensorG on Feb 18, 2012 at 08:46:28 am     #   1 person liked this

Linecrosser posted at 01:31:33 AM on Feb 18, 2012:

I'm going to predict a Ron Paul independant run for president splitting the Republican vote and causing 4 more years of Obama.

If that happens, it's not Paul's fault. 100% of the blame goes to the GOP and its candidate.

I disagree with the notion that a third party candidate splits one party's vote and causes the other party's presidential candidate to win. I don't blame Perot and Nader. I blame the losing candidate of the main party. If the candidate is strong enough, he or she will overcome the existence of a third party candidate. It's easy for the loser to deflect blame elsewhere. And it's definitely not the voters' fault.

As to the GOP primary, I don't understand why any candidate should drop out now. That has to be establishment thinking. If a candidate wants to remain in, that's the candidate's business. Besides, what about "making every vote count?" Normally, Ohio never gets a say in presidential primaries. We're disenfranchised. Why does the primary/caucus process have to end by the beginning of February?

Ohio is always described as a very important state in the November general election for the president's race, but Ohio and many other states are usually irrelevant in choosing a party's presidential candidate. The process of choosing a party's presidential candidate is at best archaic, and it's definitely moronic.

So I'm glad all four remaining GOP candidates remain in the race for Super Tuesday. And I hope they continue to stay in. Create chaos. But it won't matter much though because neither Romney nor Santorum are strong enough to generate enough enthusiasm to defeat Obama in November. Obama probably won't get much interest either, but it should be enough to defeat the lame GOP candidate.

posted by jr on Feb 18, 2012 at 11:08:34 am     #  

Sensor, even if he wanted to drop them, I guarantee you he does not have that authority. He may be titled the program director, but Andy Stuart decides 'real' firings on the local CC stations. Wilson is allowed to drop Levin because, as has been discussed, the sow runs in a throw-away timeslot. If Wilson wanted to fire Fred, Rush, or Beck, he would have to get permission. Everyone at the stations know it, but the PDs don't ever acknowledge it.

posted by MoreThanRhetoric on Feb 18, 2012 at 11:32:41 am     #  

I also agree with the post that mentioned the oddity of Levin addressing the situation. It is generally dumb for the big fish to acknowledge the smaller players - there is no benefit. It's the same for political candidates. If they can't beat you, why give them any publicity. My guess is he was really honked off at Wilson and wanted to give him a little slap down. Of course, that works better when you actually have a significant base of listeners, something not often achieved between 10 and midnight (unless you're Art Bell).

posted by MoreThanRhetoric on Feb 18, 2012 at 11:39:19 am     #  

I wish they'd bring back Dr. Savage, too. But Wilson wont allow it because he used to work for Savage in San Fran. And he's jealous that Mike now has the second biggest show on radio. bigger than Beck but bested by Rush. Savage is an ornery independent curmudgeon. A unique show that isn't just political, Savage often speaks on health, theology, cars, boats, life growing up in the '50's, etc. Check it out.

www.conservativereview.us streams past shows.

posted by OmarLittle on Feb 18, 2012 at 01:04:19 pm     #  

Reading the e-mails and listening to both videos (pro & con) one gets a rare display of the behind-the-scenes shenanigans that makes one wonder.

It looks to me and apparently others BW is jealous to the point of being disturbed of just about anyone he use to work with. Its just amazing that someone who's been in radio for over 47 years and has worked with so many of the big successful syndicated names ends up in Toledo trashing his former colleagues on our small town airwaves. Levin on the other hand is on over 250 syndicated stations compared to BW's one and only Speedy not to mention a few part time fill-in gigs he can muster. Levin then replies calling BW's techniques 'Stalinist tactics' at his attempt to control free and balanced speech at Speedy. Am I surprised? Not at all been calling that one for years. So my question why did the bouncing Virginian end up in Toledo? Won't anyone take him in Virginia or even syndicate his nonsense to other markets like his former successful coworkers have? Is Levin's assumptions correct or is it just sour grapes?
http://freekeene.com/2012/02/17/wkbk-drops-hatemonger-talk-show-host-mark-levin/

posted by wolfman on Feb 18, 2012 at 04:54:12 pm     #  

It is interesting that Wilson thinks so much of himself. A co-worker at CC, not WSPD , mentioned this weekend that when Wilson came to Toledo he mentioned to her that NOBODY who was a WSPD was worth anything because they were still in Toledo. Most of those persons are now gone, but guess who is still in Toledo, although living in Va.? Brian Wilson, who has never heard a name he wouldn't drop.

posted by max on Feb 19, 2012 at 06:35:51 pm     #   1 person liked this

MoreThanRhetoric posted at 10:32:41 AM on Feb 18, 2012:

Sensor, even if he wanted to drop them, I guarantee you he does not have that authority. He may be titled the program director, but Andy Stuart decides 'real' firings on the local CC stations. Wilson is allowed to drop Levin because, as has been discussed, the sow runs in a throw-away timeslot. If Wilson wanted to fire Fred, Rush, or Beck, he would have to get permission. Everyone at the stations know it, but the PDs don't ever acknowledge it.

As a former employee, I can assure you that even Stuart does NOT have the authority to dump shows like Rush, Beck, etc. Final word will always come from CC HQ on those decisions. Stuart can hire/fire local air talent or office staff, and he would probably be the final word if someone like Fred were to be replaced...but on the big ticket items, he's a puppet as much as BW is. Why do you think every CC station form coast-to-coast sounds nearly identical?

posted by Sohio on Feb 19, 2012 at 09:55:17 pm     #  

CC owns some 850 radio stations across the country.

In the spring of 2007, of the 257 news/talk stations owned by the top five commercial station owners, 91 percent of the total weekday talk radio programming was conservative, and only 9 percent was progressive.

posted by wolfman on Feb 20, 2012 at 02:44:44 am     #  

Wolf dont like conservative talk radio? Dont listen or tune into abc, nbc, or cbs for your liberal slanted news coverage or lack of coverage depending on the content of the stories.

posted by Linecrosser on Feb 20, 2012 at 05:44:45 am     #  

If liberal talk radio actually made money their would be more of them. What do you want them to do? Subsidies losing money liberal talk radio on 50% of their stations just so you can feel some sort of fairness in the market? Maybe you would like them to just silence the conservative talk show hosts altogether so you wouldn't have to hear them on the rare occasion you actually tune into AM radio. But wouldn't that be kinda what you claim is a 1st amendment right that you would scream at the top of your lungs against if it were only a liberal point of view? You can't have it both ways wolf, live with it and move on already.

posted by Linecrosser on Feb 20, 2012 at 05:49:45 am     #  

i just wish there was some local non-political talk radio. current events coverage etc, with no party lines drawn. i know it will never happen, but a boy can dream right?

posted by upso on Feb 20, 2012 at 09:24:59 am     #  

@max - b i n g o
@upso - a g r e e d

posted by justareviewer on Feb 20, 2012 at 11:11:37 am     #  

Linecrosser WSPD has done just that. Because what Mark Levin has said he is taken off WSPD. That is no reason to eliminate a host. I believe there should be diversity within each radio station so the listener can have an informed opinion. Now we have propaganda all across the country's airwaves. If you listen to some of the progressive programs like Thom Hartmann he invites conservative guests to debate him on a daily basis. I don't think a Wilson or Lefebvre could hold up to this standard.

Upso we use to have that in WSPD and WJR 760 when J. P. McCarthy was on the airwaves at WJR back 15 years ago you couldn't tell his politics, his show was apolitical and yet it had the highest ratings in the Midwest. Now we have nothing but a narrow extreme right wing program that centers on its extreme massage.

posted by wolfman on Feb 20, 2012 at 11:37:45 am     #  

upso posted at 08:24:59 AM on Feb 20, 2012:

i just wish there was some local non-political talk radio. current events coverage etc, with no party lines drawn. i know it will never happen, but a boy can dream right?

AM 1470 ESPN although sometimes party lines are drawn when the discussion is baseball and the pros and cons of the designated hitter. I'm pro-DH. A pitcher should never bat. To hell with that crap about more strategy in the National League. If I want to see strategy, I'll watch a chess match.

posted by jr on Feb 20, 2012 at 11:58:28 am     #  

Lol. Why should pitchers never bat? It makes me feel like I could hit in the Majors!

posted by MoreThanRhetoric on Feb 20, 2012 at 08:36:00 pm     #  

"I predict Paul won't run as an indepenendant and Obama still wins."

A rare occassion that I agree with SG. But, in this case, I certainly do. He'll be re-elected by a comfortable margin. Kills me to say it but I believe it to be true.

posted by Foodie on Feb 21, 2012 at 12:00:00 pm     #  

More of what Brian Wilson thinks of Toledo!
Must read and enjoy!
http://bigjournalism.com/driehl/2012/02/20/clear-channel-wspd-programmerhost-brian-wilsons-curious-programming-decisions/

posted by wolfman on Feb 23, 2012 at 11:50:54 pm     #   1 person liked this

Brian Wilson is so classy

posted by taliesin52 on Feb 24, 2012 at 01:23:59 am     #   1 person liked this

I'm not Wilson fan (he mumbles like a drunken elderly person) nor is he anything close to a Libertarian but when I see the continued re-election of cronies this city puts forth and then recycles these people to higher levels of government I have to agree that a good chuck of Toledoans do carry a“a dedication to stupidity and ignorance”.

Carty, Jack Ford, Teresa Fedor, Wilma Brown...

posted by dbw8906 on Feb 24, 2012 at 08:39:00 am     #   1 person liked this

I finally went back and read the emails between Levin and Wilson - what a riot. It sounded like a contest of who could use their Thesaurus more often. I love it when people who pretend they are smarter than everyone else worry that they might be exposed as kinda dumb.

posted by MoreThanRhetoric on Feb 24, 2012 at 10:11:06 am     #   2 people liked this

I've been a critic of Herr Wilson since his first appearance at WSPD. I share the disgust of those who were followers of Mark Levin. My politics maybe more centered then most WSPD listeners but I do share the outrage of this propagandists ruining our local airwaves!

Since I rarely listen to WSPD anymore, I would hope the E-mailer would post all of WSPD's advertisers here so we can call them and give our nonsupport.

Please include phone numbers. Thanks!

posted by wolfman on Feb 25, 2012 at 04:13:40 am     #  

Seems Herr Wilson is losing more and more in the Toledo market. The local Tea Party is now blogging their dislike.
Tea Party at Perrysburg
http://teapartyatperrysburg.blogspot.com/2012/02/wspds-brian-wilson-makes-national.html

posted by wolfman on Feb 25, 2012 at 04:42:26 am     #   1 person liked this

I'm going to quit reading Toledo Talk if jr doesn't get rid of wolfman. I'm also going after Toledo Talk's advertisers if.....oh wait, DARN, can't do that. Maybe I'll read that other local site. No, he's there too. Where am I going get my local news?

posted by SherryET on Feb 25, 2012 at 06:05:15 pm     #   4 people liked this

Paul is a one trick pony

posted by wolfmanswallow on Feb 28, 2012 at 11:20:21 pm     #  

Welcome wolfmanswallow! I'm flattered by your new moniker. As always you're free to vent here on TT unlike the local corporate propaganda radio station. Oh for those that are wondering Wolfman is NOT related to wolfmanswallow in anyway just another hater!

posted by wolfman on Mar 01, 2012 at 03:38:36 pm     #  

So glad you are the new host of TT Wolfman, I assume you always welcome all new posters to the board.

posted by Linecrosser on Mar 05, 2012 at 10:24:37 pm     #