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If you are voting for Romney give me one good reason why?

I bet you can't think of one... He is for the very rich, doesn't like the poor, wants to take the rights away from women pertaining to our bodies, he didn't support the bail out, and the GMC is making all kinds of profits... He doesn't have a plan for health pcare, he is cruel to animals, promoting the war for weapons of mass destruction that never existed... Weak comment when Limbaugh called us women all sluts and he promoted sex films and send them to limbaugh... The list goes on and on to not vote for this clown...

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But he's white and was born in the United States, duh!

posted by WalleyeWinger on Apr 29, 2012 at 06:03:51 pm     #   1 person liked this

Anything is better than Obama.

posted by deere1 on Apr 29, 2012 at 06:10:03 pm     #   8 people liked this

Is there one good accomplishment that serves as a reason Obama should get 4 more years?

posted by toledoramblingman on Apr 29, 2012 at 06:19:47 pm     #   2 people liked this

Wow, italianjojo, I have never read a more uneducated post in the history of ToledoTalk. I could give you plenty of reasons, but it's obvious your mind is made up. You are a naive, mental midget. I guess you've never met a liberal...until you meet an Italian liberal.

posted by OmarLittle on Apr 29, 2012 at 06:23:43 pm     #   2 people liked this

Omar - now now give him a pass. It's his first post and if you had to guess, most likely a drive by spammer paid for by the Obama camp.

posted by toledoramblingman on Apr 29, 2012 at 06:26:02 pm     #   2 people liked this

Come on Omar, let's here these reasons!

posted by WalleyeWinger on Apr 29, 2012 at 07:02:06 pm     #  

LOL, that should be let's *hear those reasons.

-The Illiterate Liberal

posted by WalleyeWinger on Apr 29, 2012 at 07:05:23 pm     #   1 person liked this

Vote for Romney because he's never eaten dog. Barack grew up in Indonesia, studying at Muslim madrassas and eating dog meat, snakes, and grasshoppers. The other night, president Obama joked about this, saying "what's the difference between a hockey mom and a pitbull? A pitbull is delicious."

Romney's never eaten dog. And if he has, he's not dumb enough to make a bad joke about it.

posted by OmarLittle on Apr 29, 2012 at 07:10:30 pm     #   1 person liked this

OmarLittle,

I am not an Obama fan (at all). However, that's a hell of a joke! I give him props for that one. "A pitbull is delicious.." I love it!

posted by Danneskjold on Apr 29, 2012 at 07:19:34 pm     #   1 person liked this

He doesn't have a plan for health care? What about RomneyCare?

posted by wishiniwasfishin on Apr 29, 2012 at 07:20:35 pm     #  

And, yes, I agree with deere1...anyone is better than Obama!

posted by wishiniwasfishin on Apr 29, 2012 at 07:21:05 pm     #  

LOL Italianjojo05!!

That's one of the best troll jobs I've ever seen!!

If you had been under the bridge, the billy goats gruff never would have enem TRIED to get across!!!

posted by shamrock44 on Apr 29, 2012 at 07:47:52 pm     #  

Oh Omar, did you create the italiajojo05 profile just to have someone who would listen to your nonsense? I so want to believe you're the troll here.

posted by WalleyeWinger on Apr 29, 2012 at 08:32:01 pm     #  

Best reason I can think of: because he's not Obama.

posted by Foodie on Apr 30, 2012 at 10:33:27 am     #   1 person liked this

Why wouldn’t I vote for Romney? He’s the best of everything.

He’s “pro-life” and “pro-choice”. He wants to get rid of Planned Parenthood, but goes to its fundraisers and writes them checks.

He’s for bailing out the banks and not the auto industry, except when he’s claiming credit for Obama saving the auto industry.

He’s for repealing Obama care, but if for a federally mandated healthcare.

He’s for the Dream act, but will veto it if given a chance. He’s giving immigrants a path to citizenship if he doesn’t deport them first.

He hates Reagan, but lists Reagan as a hero.

Not an NRA or gun fan, but loves them all the same.

He’s against gay marriage, but says he’s more Liberal on the subject than Ted Kennedy.

Other reasons to vote for Romney? His great ideas!

He’s got a great plan to help kids pay for college… have them borrow it from their parents. Why hadn’t anyone ever thought of that before? Genius…

He’s for re-invading Iraq and for going to war with Iran. Awesome! More war! Hell, he’s for cutting food stamps to help pay for it! Great idea Mittens, great idea.

posted by SensorG on Apr 30, 2012 at 10:58:08 am     #   10 people liked this

Foodie posted at 10:33:27 AM on Apr 30, 2012:

Best reason I can think of: because he's not Obama.

No I hate to disagree he IS Obama. While he might take his foot slightly off the pedal to a Greece style debt explosion, it will not be a enough to make a real change.

Obama = Spend to give to corporate crony buddies, print money to give to Europe, spend less (but still a fortune) on the war machine than Romney would, give money to banks, and dump money into social programs that do little to any good for our nation as a whole.

Romney = Spend to give to corporate crony buddies, print money to give to Europe, give money to banks, spend more on the war machine then Obama.

Both will lead us to fiscal destruction. When we get to the point where we have taxed the evil "rich" as much as they can stand, both would leave the middle class holding the bag. With either the elite win and we lose because they are playing with house money (your house's money).

Someday citizens will learn the powerful will never be left holding the bag as they can move that bag to which ever tax haven county they wish and be gone like a thief in the night. So every time you scream for more social/infrastructural spending without cuts from other programs you only tighten the noose around yourself.

posted by dbw8906 on Apr 30, 2012 at 11:12:36 am     #  

dbw: While I certainly get your point regarding who pushes us over the cliff sooner, we're (again) left with the lesser of evils. One of them will be elected - sadly, I believe it will be the current occupant. And no one but Romney has a chance of becoming the nominee on the R side.

And, (again, sadly) your last sentence falls on far more millions of deaf ears than those who have any semblance of a serious thought process who can think for themselves.

posted by Foodie on Apr 30, 2012 at 12:12:43 pm     #  

Omar, I've eaten some weird shit in my time. I travel for work, and some of those travels take me to different countries, where they have different customs. They eat different things, and I'm not going to sit there and say "no thanks, have them make me a cheese burger, because I'm an American!"

posted by Johio83 on Apr 30, 2012 at 12:16:31 pm     #   1 person liked this

I will vote for Romney because I am worse off financially now than three and one half years ago.It's the economy stupid!

posted by buckeye278 on Apr 30, 2012 at 12:29:06 pm     #  

Foodie I'm not giving up my hope for a brokered convention with Paul. He is closing the gap in delegates and the fact that NOBODY wants Romney keeps the slim hope I have alive. But he must win California for it to work.

Presidents have been elected from brokered conventions, most notably FDR.

posted by dbw8906 on Apr 30, 2012 at 12:35:29 pm     #  

Romney is running on "Obama isn't cleaning up Bush's mess fast enough"...

If you think Obama spends too much money, please show me a Republican who spent less? Romney's plans would BLOW OPEN the deficit.

posted by SensorG on Apr 30, 2012 at 01:18:16 pm     #   6 people liked this

To blame Obama as the sole problem with this nation's problems is foolish. If it was as simple as Obama writing out a bill and signing it into law without the House and Senate, both of which are filled with elected officials who will disagree with him just to disagree, regardless of the best interest of their constituents, this country would be soooo much different.

With all due respect, to think that Romney would make any of us (excluding those who are independently wealthy already) better off financially in office is ill-informed. He is the one leading the party that wants to funnel the money to the rich. Tell me how that will help the economy.

Also, show me one person who did something as a child as mandated by their folks that they wouldn't do again as an adult. Please tell me how Obama eating dog as a child makes him a Muslim/communist/bad president.

posted by WalleyeWinger on Apr 30, 2012 at 04:45:33 pm     #  

Everyone of the Iron Coffins, who votes will be voting their gas prices.
The union brothers who ride with us in construction, energy, equipment operators,and other rough neck unions, who ride with bugs in their teeth,and the wind in our hair, will be voting for paychecks they've not gotten in 3 years !

Not one of us has ever eaten a dog!You sheep are getting sheared and don't even know it ?!

posted by weaponsgradebob on Apr 30, 2012 at 05:51:20 pm     #   2 people liked this

buckeye278 posted at 12:29:06 PM on Apr 30, 2012:

I will vote for Romney because I am worse off financially now than three and one half years ago.It's the economy stupid!

And that's obviously Obama's fault and not the fault of the Republicans in Congress holding up the works... it's Obama's fault for not cutting taxes for the "job creators" (the rich). Right?

posted by anonymouscoward on Apr 30, 2012 at 06:05:23 pm     #  

Right, AC. I'm glad to see that you're finally coming to grips with reality.

posted by madjack on Apr 30, 2012 at 06:14:05 pm     #   3 people liked this

LOL Republicans in Congress holding up the works. Like the Senate passing a budget. LOL

Oh yeah, don't forget those Republicans who voted down Obama's budget 97-0 and something like 414-0.

A leader who can't even sell his policies to people on his side of the aisle. Just sad.

posted by MikeyA on Apr 30, 2012 at 07:22:39 pm     #   2 people liked this

I call weaponsgradebob Mike Coon...

posted by SensorG on Apr 30, 2012 at 09:55:31 pm     #   3 people liked this

SensorG posted at 09:55:31 PM on Apr 30, 2012:

I call weaponsgradebob Mike Coon...

Mike da Loon is back! Time to get some popcorn, this should be good while it lasts, along with all the other Obama-bashing (since nearly everyone completely forgot the Schoolhouse Rock about how a bill becomes law).

I'd rather replace the 535 scumbags, idiots, assholes, corrupt motherfuckers, incompetent buffoons, Teabaggers, 1%ers, Koch-suckers, limp-dicked spineless douchebags, hypocritical Christian fundies, and anyone else I forgot to mention in Congress before I even think about Obama. The first problem is that if Obama says water is wet, the sky is blue, and the Earth is round, the Republicans in Congress immediately say the opposite in their hurry to make him a one-term president (and this is the STATED GOAL of the Senate Minority Leader above doing any other business in the Senate!). The second problem is that any moderates in the GOP are ousted for being "RINOs". The third problem is that there's not a single Dem in there with enough of a spine to take a solid position - be it a conservative Dem position, a moderate position, or a hard-left position.

Fix the gerrymandering that keeps these fuckers in Congress, remove the barriers to third parties, and reform elections, and we'll get a working Congress again, rather than these sick fucks.

posted by anonymouscoward on Apr 30, 2012 at 11:00:31 pm     #   2 people liked this

dbw8906 posted at 11:12:36 AM on Apr 30, 2012:
Foodie posted at 10:33:27 AM on Apr 30, 2012:

Best reason I can think of: because he's not Obama.

No I hate to disagree he IS Obama. While he might take his foot slightly off the pedal to a Greece style debt explosion, it will not be a enough to make a real change.

Obama = Spend to give to corporate crony buddies, print money to give to Europe, spend less (but still a fortune) on the war machine than Romney would, give money to banks, and dump money into social programs that do little to any good for our nation as a whole.

Romney = Spend to give to corporate crony buddies, print money to give to Europe, give money to banks, spend more on the war machine then Obama.

Both will lead us to fiscal destruction. When we get to the point where we have taxed the evil "rich" as much as they can stand, both would leave the middle class holding the bag. With either the elite win and we lose because they are playing with house money (your house's money).

Someday citizens will learn the powerful will never be left holding the bag as they can move that bag to which ever tax haven county they wish and be gone like a thief in the night. So every time you scream for more social/infrastructural spending without cuts from other programs you only tighten the noose around yourself.

HEY DUMBFUCK, "give money to banks" WAS BUSH. WHO SIGNED TARP? BUSH.

Now be a man and say "oops, my bad, I made a mistake."

posted by anonymouscoward on Apr 30, 2012 at 11:13:09 pm     #  

"Is there one good accomplishment that serves as a reason Obama should get 4 more years?"

  • Banking overhaul that was greatly needed.
  • He actually caught Bin Laden.
  • Despite the debate I'm heavily for the health care reform package. As someone who in part works in the medical field I've been working my butt off to meet the new criteria and it is all streamlined for efficiency.
  • Personally I trust him. He seems to have good character. I may not agree with everything but overall I feel what he's trying to do is what is best.

Just off the top of my head.

posted by INeedCoffee on May 01, 2012 at 01:30:10 am     #   3 people liked this

Obama is an incompetent fool. He must be replaced in November.

posted by Star56 on May 01, 2012 at 02:39:37 am     #   2 people liked this

Wasn't a mistake, and no I wont get caught up in your profanity laced argument but I'll back it up with facts.

I mean whats 30 BILLION between friends right, I mean TARP funds shouldn't go back to the People who paid for them right? -

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/02/banks-could-get-money-fro_n_446803.html

BTW I guess all the printing of money handed out in QE2 & Q3 that went right banksters & the rich destroying the value of the dollar in the average mans's pocket that happened under his watch is not his fault either.

I hear George Bush still eats babies for breakfast.

posted by dbw8906 on May 01, 2012 at 07:17:39 am     #   1 person liked this

Again with more lies and deception... dbw are you working for the GOP, because they should hire you. You linked to a PROPOSAL, not anything that shows Obama was actually handing money to the banks. Do you understand what a proposal is, or have you been pounding the NyQuil-laced tea again?

posted by anonymouscoward on May 01, 2012 at 08:41:10 am     #  

Sure because he WANTS to give money to the Bankers is not an indication that after he gets re-elected that he wouldn't do so? Sure you are not working for MSNBC? All the money pumped in Fanny/Freddie is nothing but handout to the banks, covering their losses for bad choices that they should have to suffer for.

Ohh and just ignore the fact that he lets the Fed print money whenever they feel like it to dole out to whomever and whichever nation he feels like is "OK" by your book.

posted by dbw8906 on May 01, 2012 at 09:53:55 am     #  

And therein lies the reason that you don't need a good reason to vote for Romney. The election will be a referendum on Obama.

The biggest problem he has, as I see it, is his favorables have dropped significantly. His favorables have always outpaced his Job Approval numbers, but in the last year it's only been by about 2-3 points when it was previously as much as a 20 point difference.

Obama's biggest problem is Obama. He has to run against himself if he wants to be reelected.

posted by MikeyA on May 01, 2012 at 01:32:01 pm     #  

Run against himself? There isn't an issue that Romney hasn't taken both sides of...on video no less.

The reason I'd vote for Romney is because of his foreign policy experience. He lived for years in France and has great knowledge of the Swiss and Cayman Island banking systems.

posted by SensorG on May 01, 2012 at 01:48:43 pm     #   6 people liked this

Yes, what he has done has not worked and it's become quite clear. Voters will want to know what he now intends to do. If it's stay the course he will lose.

posted by MikeyA on May 01, 2012 at 02:45:49 pm     #  

Right! And Obama got elected because of what he "intended to do." Change, remember? The only thing I see is a ship that still sinking.

posted by wishiniwasfishin on May 01, 2012 at 03:02:10 pm     #  

dbw8906 posted at 09:53:55 AM on May 01, 2012:

Sure because he WANTS to give money to the Bankers is not an indication that after he gets re-elected that he wouldn't do so? Sure you are not working for MSNBC? All the money pumped in Fanny/Freddie is nothing but handout to the banks, covering their losses for bad choices that they should have to suffer for.

Ohh and just ignore the fact that he lets the Fed print money whenever they feel like it to dole out to whomever and whichever nation he feels like is "OK" by your book.

But it was fine for Bush to cut taxes AND start two wars on credit AND have all the money printed up to go to the military-industrial complex with no-bid contracts. And it's fine for Romney to want to follow in Bush's footsteps, cut taxes more, cut token amounts of spending on PBS/NPR, Planned Parenthood, etc. while spending more on whatever makes his rich buddies richer.

Right. Look, when your Republican asshole buddies actually act truly fiscally conservatively, e.g. cut actual wasteful spending AND raise taxes AND eliminate loopholes AND tell people there aren't any tax cuts coming until we start paying down the debt, then you can whine about Obama's supposed handouts to the banks. But no, you'll vote for the TeaOP who will vote for eliminating the estate tax so the Kochs, Waltons, etc. will be able to hand it all to their kids to continue to empower the new class of the American Noble 1%.

posted by anonymouscoward on May 01, 2012 at 05:33:54 pm     #   1 person liked this

wishiniwasfishin posted at 03:02:10 PM on May 01, 2012:

Right! And Obama got elected because of what he "intended to do." Change, remember? The only thing I see is a ship that still sinking.

We got health care reform, and then Fox News cast it as "death panels" and "federal gubmint telling people what to do or else have them thrown in FEMA internment camps" in order to get tons of Teabaggers voted into Congress, where they have fought against anything Obama wanted to do, whether or not the majority of America wants it or not... so the lack of change is firmly on Congress, including the Senate Minority Leader who, on the record, stated that their priority is NOT doing anything for the good of the country or its people, nor passing bills and doing the normal business of Congress, but in fact is to make Obama a one-term President.

The GOP put party before country, all while claiming that they love God and country... well for half of them their God is the greenback and their country is a Monopoly board with them starting play owning hotels on all the orange and red squares and the Get out of Jail Free card, and for the other half of the GOP their God is the Old Testament one and their country is the Christian version of Iran or Saudi Arabia.

posted by anonymouscoward on May 01, 2012 at 05:42:38 pm     #  

Obama had a majority for first 2 years in congress don't give me that blocking crap, there was nothing they couldn't pass if they wanted to hence Obamacare. Just because Obama the closet communist wants to change this country to communism doesn't mean the rest of us have to stand for it.

posted by Linecrosser on May 01, 2012 at 05:45:48 pm     #  

Linecrosser posted at 05:45:48 PM on May 01, 2012:

Obama had a majority for first 2 years in congress don't give me that blocking crap, there was nothing they couldn't pass if they wanted to hence Obamacare. Just because Obama the closet communist wants to change this country to communism doesn't mean the rest of us have to stand for it.

I see you're back on the Nyquil and mouthwash cocktails again, Liney. Anything to help wash down the Fox News/Rush Limbaugh/Glenn Beck flavors of Kool-Aid.

Keep up the chicken-fucking.

posted by anonymouscoward on May 01, 2012 at 06:02:12 pm     #  

Explain all the people he surrounded himself with then. Don't forget his grandparents who raised him where self avowed communists. I haven't listened to Fox News or Glenn Beck and I don't like pompous ass Limbaugh either. Use your own resources and dig into who Obama is and then try to deny his background.

posted by Linecrosser on May 01, 2012 at 07:13:13 pm     #  

Linecrosser posted at 07:13:13 PM on May 01, 2012:

Explain all the people he surrounded himself with then. Don't forget his grandparents who raised him where self avowed communists. I haven't listened to Fox News or Glenn Beck and I don't like pompous ass Limbaugh either. Use your own resources and dig into who Obama is and then try to deny his background.

The only people denying Obama's background are you and all the other Birther nutjobs. When it comes to people like you, Obama could be standing on a calibrated, sealed scale with his weight perfectly visible and you could read that number to me and I still wouldn't believe it, because you have no credibility and nearly no grasp on reality. Keep on doing that thing with the chicken.

posted by anonymouscoward on May 01, 2012 at 07:55:46 pm     #  

The San Diego Chicken is here?

posted by shamrock44 on May 01, 2012 at 08:01:10 pm     #  

shamrock44 posted at 08:01:10 PM on May 01, 2012:

The San Diego Chicken is here?

Given what the Teabaggers are doing to poultry, any domesticated avians are staying away. Hell, I hear Muddy the Mud Hen has a restraining order against Liney and his kind.

posted by anonymouscoward on May 01, 2012 at 08:11:37 pm     #  

I hear ya. Strange stuff going around the animal world.

I heard McGruff the Crime Dog got very nervous when the President called to have him over for dinner the other night.

posted by shamrock44 on May 01, 2012 at 08:18:13 pm     #  

President new motto:

Take a bite out of Crime(dog)

posted by shamrock44 on May 01, 2012 at 08:18:46 pm     #  

"Just because Obama the closet communist wants to change this country to communism doesn't mean the rest of us have to stand for it."

Obama's closest advisers on the economy are Tim Geithner and Larry Summers. The policies of the administration have reflected the vision of these two men. So, crony capitalist certainly, but communist? Do you just repeat anything you hear?

posted by hank on May 01, 2012 at 08:19:39 pm     #   1 person liked this

You're right Hank. Communists are supposed to pay their taxes.

So, Geithner obviously isn't a Communist!

posted by shamrock44 on May 01, 2012 at 08:21:35 pm     #  

shamrock44 posted at 08:18:13 PM on May 01, 2012:

I hear ya. Strange stuff going around the animal world.

I heard McGruff the Crime Dog got very nervous when the President called to have him over for dinner the other night.

Bah, I hear McGruff had a really shitty reaction to Romney asking him to go on vacation.

posted by anonymouscoward on May 01, 2012 at 08:42:19 pm     #  

I guess you could say they just slipped Seamus a "roofie"?

posted by shamrock44 on May 01, 2012 at 08:56:47 pm     #  

Dog Nightmares:

Bad - Going on vacation with the Romneys

Worse - They are vacationing at the Obama's

posted by shamrock44 on May 01, 2012 at 08:58:34 pm     #  

You know, if everyone is going to go with the racism thing, why don't we just make cracks about eating cat and dog at the local Chinese or Vietnamese place too?

posted by anonymouscoward on May 01, 2012 at 09:06:03 pm     #  

Hmmmmm, I didn't know dogs and cats were races?

Minus 5 points to A/C for a clear breach of etiquette. No pulling out the race card until Romney is ahead in the polls.

posted by shamrock44 on May 01, 2012 at 09:14:42 pm     #  

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/05/02/recess.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+PoliticalWire+%28Political+Wire%29

Do-nothing House, led by one big Republican Boehner... they spend almost as much time doing nothing as Bush did cutting brush on his ranch... and then they complain about Obama's golf outings... HEY JERKS, GO PASS SOME BILLS FOR OBAMA TO SIGN OR VETO, WHY DON'T YA?

posted by anonymouscoward on May 02, 2012 at 07:25:51 pm     #  

anonymouscoward posted at 09:06:03 PM on May 01, 2012:

You know, if everyone is going to go with the racism thing, why don't we just make cracks about eating cat and dog at the local Chinese or Vietnamese place too?

Because it's already been done and the Moonbats aren't comfortable with it - they'd rather have a fire hydrant shoved up their fundament.

Look AC, if you're going to champion Obama the very least you could do is produce an accurate bullet list of Obama's top five accomplishments. Mind you, these should be meaningful accomplishments that can be traced directly back to President Obama - not some stretcher like "He captured Osama bin Hidin'!". The President wasn't anywhere near bin Hidin' and had nothing to do with the capture (actually a field execution, but what the hell, right?).

My own objections to another four years of Obama are:

1. Failure to restore our civil rights. I thought (foolish me) that of all people Obama would be the most likely to work for a restoration of our civil rights and rescind the Patriot Act. He hasn't.

2. Failure to return outsourced jobs to the United States. As it stands right now, the US is actually paying industry to outsource jobs to Mexico.

3. Failure to pass a budget. Obama is supposed to be a leader of the US Congress, yet Congress is in the tightest gridlock I've ever seen and Obama does nothing about it. That's unacceptable.

4. Failure to condemn, in the strongest possible terms, the New Black Panther Party and their offer of $10,000 for the 'capture' of Zimmerman. The instant that outrageous announcement was made Obama should have reacted and condemned the action. The leaders of the NBPP should have been arrested by the Federal Government and charged with conspiracy to commit murder. Obama didn't even blink.

5. Failure to adequately regulate both the banking and the insurance industries so as to prevent another economic depression and to provide economically feasible health insurance to the working poor, a class that Obama knows nothing about and doesn't care to learn about. These are two industries that it is impossible to over-regulate, yet Obama does nothing.

6. Failure to close GitMo. When he was running for office, Obama couldn't wait to close Gitmo. He was going to close Gitmo just as soon as he got seated in the oval office and threw his feet up on the desk. Obama not only hasn't closed Gitmo, he hasn't even spoken about it.

What do you say, AC? Are you able to produce a bullet list of accomplishments?

posted by madjack on May 02, 2012 at 08:02:34 pm     #  

anonymouscoward posted at 07:25:51 PM on May 02, 2012:

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/05/02/recess.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+PoliticalWire+%28Political+Wire%29

Do-nothing House, led by one big Republican Boehner... they spend almost as much time doing nothing as Bush did cutting brush on his ranch... and then they complain about Obama's golf outings... HEY JERKS, GO PASS SOME BILLS FOR OBAMA TO SIGN OR VETO, WHY DON'T YA?

What it sounds like you're saying is that we have a unicameral legislature where all bills are introduced, voted on and then sent to the President. Or are you saying that you’re just another hyper-partisan hack who blames everything on Republicans?

So which is it coward? Are you an idiot who missed a Schoolhouse Rock type lesson on how a bill becomes a law or are you a message board flamer who ignores facts, history, etc. because it doesn't quite fit into one of your temper tantrums? I'm leaning towards the latter because you can't possibly be so stupid to think that the Senate and their curmudgeonly leader, Harry Reid, never existed.

Of course being an idiot would make it easier to explain why out of this list of 40+ jobs bills passed by the House, almost 70% are stuck or have been blocked in the DEMOCRAT LED SENATE.

http://majorityleader.gov/JobsTracker/

(Insert some juvenile, ridiculous urban dictionary reference here.)

posted by RBancroft on May 02, 2012 at 11:46:21 pm     #  

I actually think Romney is the most qualified Presidential candidate since George HW Bush.

He went from Stanford to Harvard's nascent dual MBA-JD program. Do you know what Harvard Business is like? Do you know what Harvard Law was like?! Do you know what doing both at the same time is like??? Romney graduated in the top five percent of his class FROM BOTH SIMULTANEOUSLY from Harvard with an elite knowledge of business management and corporate law.

He was an extremely successful businessman. He had to balance budgets and all that jazz, but more so than that as a venture capitalist he had to buy companies with weak business plans and tweak them to that they could do well again. Yes, or sell them off. You're going to fault the guy for being good at business? GTFO with that complaining.

I found his handling of the Olympics to be terrific. He went from $300 million in the hole, to a record profit? (something like that) It was a clear demonstration of fantastic lower-level management skills.

Most people don't know that as the Governor of Massachusetts (for which even the liberals flew out to Utah to beg him to run) he solved one of the worst budget problems in Massachusetts history...and MA has been around a long damn time.

Most people also don't know that he vetoed eight sections of "Romneycare," and the 85% Democrat legislature overruled him anyway. It was going to get passed regardless but Romney sucked it up and helped them form a plan that works for Massachusetts. That's the key point: it works FOR MASSACHUSETTS.

His venture capitalism experience, combined with his time being the executive of a state, gives him a level of experience that no candidate has had in decades. If I'm going to vote for a guy to bring a greater level of efficiency to the government, and know form experience where government regulations are being redundant and nonsensical...it's probably Romney in this matchup. He's just has better results.

posted by BusterBluth on May 03, 2012 at 12:29:54 am     #  

Now a lot of people like to paint Romney as some flip-flopper, but I don't think that's what it is at all. To me, he's a smart guy who leans to the left but has to win a primary before he can win a general. Look at the primary numbers, he very rarely won a majority.

Facts are, the GOP is being held hostage by the ignorant religious right. The gun wieldin', Bible-thumping, 'Merica loving degenerates who will vote for anyone who promises to suck off the White House portrait of Ronald Reagan every morning.

So naturally, you're going to see a ton of flip-flops and bold claims. He looked like the biggest warmonger of all time...during the South Carolina primary. He had to win voters (and it failed mightily).

When it doubt, say what people want to hear and do what you plan on doing after you win. It's been that way since the first guy lost a vote way back when, and since then EVERY POLITICIAN DOES IT. You can play this game with Obama too (No Guantanamo, let's have trials in downtown fucking Manhattan). We've got to be smarter and judge politicians on their actions, not their soundbites. When we vote on soundbites we get back leaders who can only give a helluva speech, and a speech doesn't employ people.

posted by BusterBluth on May 03, 2012 at 12:36:51 am     #  

Thank you for the civil, reasoned and logical post BusterBluth. It's so refreshing to read positive comments that are informative. All too often here it seems like flame throwing and finger pointing are what passes for political discussion here.

Is there anyone out there that will please post something similar and informative about President Obama's background? I would sincerely love to see it so I can read something that is more fact-driven than emotional talking points.

Just my own opinion but this is the type of discussion that I appreciate when evaluating candidates.

posted by shamrock44 on May 03, 2012 at 12:39:16 am     #  

Well here's my opinion on Obama. It's not the nicest thing. To put it simply, Obama is the greatest political machine I have ever seen.

Obama graduated from the elite Punahou School (latest tuition is $19,000/yr), and went to Occidental College before transferring to Columbia and majored in Political Science. While there he pretty much gobbled up as much idealistic "change the world," "these policies are needed," "fix America" malarkey as he could. That's not really a knock on Obama so much as it is the programs in the Ivy Leagues. They've been that way for decades, for good and for bad.

After Columbia bounced around business jobs and ended up in Chicago where he was a community organizer for three years. He basically operated job training programs and college tutoring on Chicago's south side. He then went to Harvard law and, most importantly, he was editor and president of the Harvard Law Review. It's a very, very prestigious position.

The difference between Romney's time at Harvard, and Obama's, is that Romney obviously focused on corporate law and mastering the ins and outs of complicated business deals/laws. Obama focused on government, and of course Constitutional law. Essentially, you take the motives and desires for government that you developed in underground think-tanks and you go to law school to law how to enforce them.

Once you're the pres/editor and graduate Magna Cum Laude (so I've read, not confirmed) from Harvard Law...you can pick where you want to go. He went back to Chicago and taught Constitutional Law at UC from 1992-2004. In his spare time he operated a bunch of voter registration groups and low-key political groups, then in 1996 won his first election as a State Senator. He would be a State Senator from 1996-2004. In 2004 he decided to run for US Senate, with his Chicago political machine pretty much fully assembled and lead by David Axelrod. He has two things going for him that made him a shoe-in: 1) he opposed the Iraq War from the start and 2) he gave an amazing speech as the keynote speaker at the DNC. He instantly became a national idol, as we all know.

He was a Senator from Jan 2005 until basically when he launched his Presidential campaign in mid-2007. He ran a perfect campaign, and John McCain imploded with the selection of Sara Palin and the economic collapse.

You're probably saying to yourself "What did I mention there that made him worthy to be the President of the United State--the most powerful man on Earth?" And you'd have a hard time answering that question honestly other than "he isn't George Bush."

posted by BusterBluth on May 03, 2012 at 01:46:27 am     #  

I have a few big issues with Obama.

1) campaign promises.

Every candidate promises stuff they can't deliver, I get that. But Obama ran a perfect campaign and promised a lot of major things that he hasn't done. Where is the transparency we were promised? That was a huge joke. He promised to handle the debt and has failed as miserably as one can.

I think he's done well on the foreign policy issues. It's pretty obvious that on Day #1 he walked into a room full of generals and professionals who told him that his policies during the election were, to be frank, fucking insane.

The biggest campaign promise he has fulfilled, Obamacare, is an unconstitutional failure. I don't care what you think about health care coverage, the law is pathetic.

2) What is going to get better?

I truly believe that he wasn't cut out for the job to begin with. He was exciting, and people ate it up. That's fine. But what has he done to make you think he can turn this economy around?

Well first let me say this: the American economy is the greatest economic force that the world has ever seen. It's pretty damn tough to kill and will heal itself. But, is the growth we're seeing (and it's rather anemic) good enough? We've had X straight months of job growth, but it's not even enough to keep up with population growth. GDP growth is lagging too.

If I'm the owner of an NFL team and I've got a coach who is going 9-7 constantly and people get the feeling that they aren't playing to their potential...do I listen to the people saying "yeah well he's one game over .500, that's a winning season for X years in a row!!" or do I listen to the people saying "Yeah, but with this roster we should be doing a lot better than 9-7 every year, we can get ____ to run things and probably go 12-4 with this squad."

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I can summarize the entire election like this: the biggest concern for tens of millions of Americans is the economy. Am I going to trust the guy who has a sh'load of executive experience building companies and managing states....or do I trust the guy who, pretty clearly, was in over his head for the first two years and has been struggling to produce growth since then?

The real interesting thing for me is how people say Romney is "out of touch" while Obama's policies are having a direct negative impact on the middle class. The federal government's spending and 0% interest is killing the dollar, and the interest bubble's bursting will severely damage us in the future. Obama's energy policy is a disaster for utility costs too. His actions are eating away at the purchasing power of the everday citizen. I could give a crap if Romney is worth $250 million (Kennedy was worth FOUR TIMES that, btw) and is an awkward Mormon, I think he'll do battle than Obama.

posted by BusterBluth on May 03, 2012 at 02:02:51 am     #  

Since January of 2007, the democrats have controlled 2 out of 3 of the following, the senate, the house of representatives, and the white house.
The democrats controlled ALL 3 for all of 2008, and 2009. During that time the democrats in control of congress, refused to even consider any republican legislation in committee.
That's a fact.
Now, ask yourself, #1. when did everything really go to shit? #2. Who is most at fault?
If you answer anything other than, "the democrats" for #2, you're either incredibly stupid, or dishonest.
P.S., giving credit to 0bama for "getting Bin Laden" is the ultimate act of hypocrisy. It was 0bama and his minions that claimed Bush was a war criminal for letting our military operate Gitmo and use water boarding and other enhanced interrogation techniques. If it wasn't for Gitmo and water boarding they'd likely have never found Bin Laden.

posted by JeepMaker on May 03, 2012 at 02:26:56 am     #  

madjack posted at 08:02:34 PM on May 02, 2012:
anonymouscoward posted at 09:06:03 PM on May 01, 2012:

You know, if everyone is going to go with the racism thing, why don't we just make cracks about eating cat and dog at the local Chinese or Vietnamese place too?

Because it's already been done and the Moonbats aren't comfortable with it - they'd rather have a fire hydrant shoved up their fundament.

Look AC, if you're going to champion Obama the very least you could do is produce an accurate bullet list of Obama's top five accomplishments. Mind you, these should be meaningful accomplishments that can be traced directly back to President Obama - not some stretcher like "He captured Osama bin Hidin'!". The President wasn't anywhere near bin Hidin' and had nothing to do with the capture (actually a field execution, but what the hell, right?).

My own objections to another four years of Obama are:

1. Failure to restore our civil rights. I thought (foolish me) that of all people Obama would be the most likely to work for a restoration of our civil rights and rescind the Patriot Act. He hasn't.

2. Failure to return outsourced jobs to the United States. As it stands right now, the US is actually paying industry to outsource jobs to Mexico.

3. Failure to pass a budget. Obama is supposed to be a leader of the US Congress, yet Congress is in the tightest gridlock I've ever seen and Obama does nothing about it. That's unacceptable.

4. Failure to condemn, in the strongest possible terms, the New Black Panther Party and their offer of $10,000 for the 'capture' of Zimmerman. The instant that outrageous announcement was made Obama should have reacted and condemned the action. The leaders of the NBPP should have been arrested by the Federal Government and charged with conspiracy to commit murder. Obama didn't even blink.

5. Failure to adequately regulate both the banking and the insurance industries so as to prevent another economic depression and to provide economically feasible health insurance to the working poor, a class that Obama knows nothing about and doesn't care to learn about. These are two industries that it is impossible to over-regulate, yet Obama does nothing.

6. Failure to close GitMo. When he was running for office, Obama couldn't wait to close Gitmo. He was going to close Gitmo just as soon as he got seated in the oval office and threw his feet up on the desk. Obama not only hasn't closed Gitmo, he hasn't even spoken about it.

What do you say, AC? Are you able to produce a bullet list of accomplishments?

Out of your six points... #2) Congress would have to pass bills to do this, else you are championing the Bush Unitary Executive bullshit. 3) CONGRESS PASSES BUDGETS, DUMBASS, ALSO SEE MY REPLY TO #2. 5) see my reply to #2.

Also, you can't yell too much about Obama not restoring civil rights, unless you start wanting to go down the Bush Unitary Executive shit and have Obama do the whole Executive Order crap to ignore the PATRIOT Act and all that shit... and the first thing that happens after he orders DHS and DOJ and DOD around with his executive orders will result in Republicans blaming Obama's end-run around all the legislation that was supposed to keep us safe. You fucking know if Obama ordered PATRIOT Act and the other shit to be ignored, and there was some sort of terroristic event, every goddamn Republican would be on Fox News screaming that Obama enabled the terrorists.

posted by anonymouscoward on May 03, 2012 at 03:24:28 am     #  

RBancroft posted at 11:46:21 PM on May 02, 2012:
anonymouscoward posted at 07:25:51 PM on May 02, 2012:

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/05/02/recess.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+PoliticalWire+%28Political+Wire%29

Do-nothing House, led by one big Republican Boehner... they spend almost as much time doing nothing as Bush did cutting brush on his ranch... and then they complain about Obama's golf outings... HEY JERKS, GO PASS SOME BILLS FOR OBAMA TO SIGN OR VETO, WHY DON'T YA?

What it sounds like you're saying is that we have a unicameral legislature where all bills are introduced, voted on and then sent to the President. Or are you saying that you’re just another hyper-partisan hack who blames everything on Republicans?

So which is it coward? Are you an idiot who missed a Schoolhouse Rock type lesson on how a bill becomes a law or are you a message board flamer who ignores facts, history, etc. because it doesn't quite fit into one of your temper tantrums? I'm leaning towards the latter because you can't possibly be so stupid to think that the Senate and their curmudgeonly leader, Harry Reid, never existed.

Of course being an idiot would make it easier to explain why out of this list of 40+ jobs bills passed by the House, almost 70% are stuck or have been blocked in the DEMOCRAT LED SENATE.

http://majorityleader.gov/JobsTracker/

(Insert some juvenile, ridiculous urban dictionary reference here.)

Who is stopping everything in the Senate?

You don't know?

OH HEY I'M A REPUBLICAN IN THE MINORITY AND I SAY FILIBUSTER! Now it takes SIXTY votes to pass and the Dems don't have that many.

Are you really so fucking dense as to not understand that the GOP is filibustering everything to the point where it's not even worth it to introduce anything? Do I need to explain the whole filibuster thing to you in simple words?

posted by anonymouscoward on May 03, 2012 at 03:27:44 am     #   1 person liked this

BusterBluth posted at 12:36:51 AM on May 03, 2012:

Now a lot of people like to paint Romney as some flip-flopper, but I don't think that's what it is at all. To me, he's a smart guy who leans to the left but has to win a primary before he can win a general. Look at the primary numbers, he very rarely won a majority.

Facts are, the GOP is being held hostage by the ignorant religious right. The gun wieldin', Bible-thumping, 'Merica loving degenerates who will vote for anyone who promises to suck off the White House portrait of Ronald Reagan every morning.

So naturally, you're going to see a ton of flip-flops and bold claims. He looked like the biggest warmonger of all time...during the South Carolina primary. He had to win voters (and it failed mightily).

When it doubt, say what people want to hear and do what you plan on doing after you win. It's been that way since the first guy lost a vote way back when, and since then EVERY POLITICIAN DOES IT. You can play this game with Obama too (No Guantanamo, let's have trials in downtown fucking Manhattan). We've got to be smarter and judge politicians on their actions, not their soundbites. When we vote on soundbites we get back leaders who can only give a helluva speech, and a speech doesn't employ people.

Romney wouldn't be so bad if he hadn't sold out to the GOP and started trying to pander to the Teahadists in order to win election. Ditto RON PAUL. Too fucking bad we only have the two parties and everything has to be either (D)ickless or (R)etard.

posted by anonymouscoward on May 03, 2012 at 03:31:25 am     #   1 person liked this

JeepMaker posted at 02:26:56 AM on May 03, 2012:

Since January of 2007, the democrats have controlled 2 out of 3 of the following, the senate, the house of representatives, and the white house.
The democrats controlled ALL 3 for all of 2008, and 2009. During that time the democrats in control of congress, refused to even consider any republican legislation in committee.

That's a fact.

Now, ask yourself, #1. when did everything really go to shit? #2. Who is most at fault?

If you answer anything other than, "the democrats" for #2, you're either incredibly stupid, or dishonest.

P.S., giving credit to 0bama for "getting Bin Laden" is the ultimate act of hypocrisy. It was 0bama and his minions that claimed Bush was a war criminal for letting our military operate Gitmo and use water boarding and other enhanced interrogation techniques. If it wasn't for Gitmo and water boarding they'd likely have never found Bin Laden.

HURR HURR HURR DERP DERP LOOK AT ME I PUT A 0 INSTEAD OF AN O BECAUSE 0BAMA IS A ZERO.

Does your mom know you snuck onto the Internet? You're in a forum for adults, not 8-year-olds.

posted by anonymouscoward on May 03, 2012 at 03:35:26 am     #   1 person liked this

Romney wouldn't be so bad if he hadn't sold out to the GOP and started trying to pander to the Teahadists in order to win election. Ditto RON PAUL. Too fucking bad we only have the two parties and everything has to be either (D)ickless or (R)etard. - AC

This from the guy who claims third party candidates are jokes. BTW where are all these "Progressive" candidates pushing themselves to the front? Oh that's right they are licking the boots of the Neo-Liberal Democratic party just like Tea Party does to Neo-Cons. All talk and zero action, one of the Nations greatest Progressives reps can't beat out a Neo-Lib like Marcy in a Progressive area like Northern Ohio.

Ron Paul has warned and blasted the GOP over and over, letting them know it's not Obama or Lefties destroying the GOP, it's the Neo-Con GOP. The Tea Party does not support Dr. Paul because he doesn't bow down to their "might makes right" bullshit. Nice try discrediting the man.
________________________________________________________
From Cornel West (who I don't agree with but respect intelligent points)

"Mitt Romney is a catastrophic response to a catastrophe, whereas Obama is a disastrous response to a catastrophe. Is disaster better than catastrophe? Yes it is. I wish we had a third candidate who could actually do something, but we don't at the moment,"

The Princeton University professor was equally harsh in his critique of U.S. foreign policy. Regarding the White House's overseas drone campaign, West said, "The Obama administration is involved in some very ugly killing of innocent people."

"The drones with the bombs killing innocent civilians needs to be taken very very seriously," West said. "You can't hide and conceal that. So when I think of foreign policy, I connect the drones on the one hand to the corruption and incompetence and inefficiency of the Karzai regime.

"So I have a very very deep disagreement with the kind of U.S. foreign policy at the moment that Barack Obama is promoting," West added.

The noted pundit also shared why he wouldn't be interested in serving as president and gave a stinging appraisal of the "neo-liberals who are running things right now."

posted by dbw8906 on May 03, 2012 at 06:42:46 am     #  

dbw, stop being dense. Third party candidates are jokes, because the system throws up all sorts of barriers to their entry (ballot access for a third party has to meet some magically high standard vs. D/Rs who literally have to put forth no effort). And if they make the ballot, the national mindset is that no matter how good the third party person is, voting for them is throwing away your vote because with how close the past 3 elections have been, the person you REALLY don't want to see win will win.

As for Marcy vs Kucinich, since there's no term limits and therefore seniority rules which committee assignments you get, the fact that she's been in office for so long is a good reason to keep her in there, if you believe that there's more to be gained from her chairing some key committees. Put term limits in place and that crap will stop.

But hey, I said this all here before, you just blanked it out of your tiny mind to keep cheerleading for the TeaOP.

posted by anonymouscoward on May 03, 2012 at 10:01:06 am     #   1 person liked this

anonymouscoward posted at 03:27:44 AM on May 03, 2012:
RBancroft posted at 11:46:21 PM on May 02, 2012:
anonymouscoward posted at 07:25:51 PM on May 02, 2012:

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/05/02/recess.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+PoliticalWire+%28Political+Wire%29

Do-nothing House, led by one big Republican Boehner... they spend almost as much time doing nothing as Bush did cutting brush on his ranch... and then they complain about Obama's golf outings... HEY JERKS, GO PASS SOME BILLS FOR OBAMA TO SIGN OR VETO, WHY DON'T YA?

What it sounds like you're saying is that we have a unicameral legislature where all bills are introduced, voted on and then sent to the President. Or are you saying that you’re just another hyper-partisan hack who blames everything on Republicans?

So which is it coward? Are you an idiot who missed a Schoolhouse Rock type lesson on how a bill becomes a law or are you a message board flamer who ignores facts, history, etc. because it doesn't quite fit into one of your temper tantrums? I'm leaning towards the latter because you can't possibly be so stupid to think that the Senate and their curmudgeonly leader, Harry Reid, never existed.

Of course being an idiot would make it easier to explain why out of this list of 40+ jobs bills passed by the House, almost 70% are stuck or have been blocked in the DEMOCRAT LED SENATE.

http://majorityleader.gov/JobsTracker/

(Insert some juvenile, ridiculous urban dictionary reference here.)

Who is stopping everything in the Senate?

You don't know?

OH HEY I'M A REPUBLICAN IN THE MINORITY AND I SAY FILIBUSTER! Now it takes SIXTY votes to pass and the Dems don't have that many.

Are you really so fucking dense as to not understand that the GOP is filibustering everything to the point where it's not even worth it to introduce anything? Do I need to explain the whole filibuster thing to you in simple words?

Alright coward...I'll play along. It is your contention that Republicans in the Senate are stopping everything via the threat of filibuster. If that were true, your logic essentially boils down to:

- Republicans pass a bill in the House
- Democrats stall or block said bill in the Senate due to threat of Republican filibuster

Therefore...

- Nothing can get done because Senate Republicans are threatening to filibuster bills passed by House Republicans

I guess I was wrong earlier, you might actually be both a repugnant human being and a moron.

posted by RBancroft on May 03, 2012 at 10:14:36 am     #  

Sure because the person I quoted has long been a Tea Party supporter right?

posted by dbw8906 on May 03, 2012 at 10:41:39 am     #  

A/C ignores the plane fact that Budgets cannot be filibustered. In fact the Dems have already used the "nuclear option" on non-budgetary issues.

It's been over three years since the Dem-controlled Senate passed a budget but yet it Boehner and the Tea Party who are preventing everything. LOL.

Boehner and the Tea Party passed a budget, Reid has not and the President's didn't receive a single vote in either chamber.

posted by MikeyA on May 03, 2012 at 11:10:27 am     #   3 people liked this

I see. I shall repeat my previous request:

What do you say, AC? Are you able to produce a bullet list of accomplishments?

By this I mean President Obama's accomplishments while in office. You haven't so far, and I tend to believe your failure is not due to your inability; it's due to the current Presidential administration.

Come on, AC. Let's see it.

posted by madjack on May 03, 2012 at 11:58:43 am     #   1 person liked this

Dear Madjack:

If you are too lazy to put "Obama achievements" into Google and hit I'm Feeling Lucky, then I'm not going to do it for you.

P.S. Please note the full list has REFERENCES.

P.P.S. Please clean up the blood and feathers when you're done.

No love,

AC

posted by anonymouscoward on May 03, 2012 at 04:40:38 pm     #  

MikeyA posted at 11:10:27 AM on May 03, 2012:

A/C ignores the plane fact that Budgets cannot be filibustered. In fact the Dems have already used the "nuclear option" on non-budgetary issues.

It's been over three years since the Dem-controlled Senate passed a budget but yet it Boehner and the Tea Party who are preventing everything. LOL.

Boehner and the Tea Party passed a budget, Reid has not and the President's didn't receive a single vote in either chamber.

"Dems have already used the nuclear option" [citation needed]

The Senate doesn't pass a budget unless they're passing the same thing as the House, otherwise it's a resolution and they go into "reconciliation" and when the Teabaggers refuse to sit at the table for that it's functionally equivalent to a filibuster. Nothing gets done because they won't support it.

Boehner's budgets are a joke and you know it, but don't let that stop you from the Koch-sucking.

posted by anonymouscoward on May 03, 2012 at 04:54:25 pm     #  

I saw a poll today that claims Romney and Obama are now in a dead heat in Ohio.

posted by mom2 on May 03, 2012 at 05:50:06 pm     #   2 people liked this

mom2 posted at 05:50:06 PM on May 03, 2012:

I saw a poll today that claims Romney and Obama are now in a dead heat in Ohio.

I saw something today that claims Obama wasn't born in the USA. Your point?

posted by anonymouscoward on May 03, 2012 at 06:14:04 pm     #  

I heard it on MSNBC its all Bush's fault.

posted by Linecrosser on May 03, 2012 at 07:25:31 pm     #   1 person liked this

anonymouscoward posted at 04:40:38 PM on May 03, 2012:

Dear Madjack:

If you are too lazy to put "Obama achievements" into Google and hit I'm Feeling Lucky, then I'm not going to do it for you.

P.S. Please note the full list has REFERENCES.

P.P.S. Please clean up the blood and feathers when you're done.

No love,

AC

Somehow, someway, I just knew you couldn't do it. Put it off to being moderately well informed.

Loser.

posted by madjack on May 03, 2012 at 10:48:32 pm     #  

anonymouscoward posted at 06:14:04 PM on May 03, 2012:
mom2 posted at 05:50:06 PM on May 03, 2012:

I saw a poll today that claims Romney and Obama are now in a dead heat in Ohio.

I saw something today that claims Obama wasn't born in the USA. Your point?

The point, you churlish deviated septum, is that Ayatollah Obama is starting to lose the election - and as he continues to make one blunder after another the loses will become much more apparent. If you can read, that is.

posted by madjack on May 03, 2012 at 10:51:09 pm     #  

Blunder after blunder? Seen Romney talk lately? Sure glad he could purge 'the gays' out of his staff...

posted by SensorG on May 03, 2012 at 11:27:03 pm     #  

No No No SensorG. To paraphrase - you are allowed to your own opinions, but not your own facts.

All reports indicate that they tried to get him to stay. Show us where Romney is against gays.

That's a nasty brush to paint someone with just for the sake of partisan bias.

posted by shamrock44 on May 03, 2012 at 11:29:39 pm     #  

It's well documented...
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/05/03/475950/romney-campaign-misled-reporters-grenell/

posted by SensorG on May 03, 2012 at 11:37:30 pm     #  

SensorG posted at 11:37:30 PM on May 03, 2012:

It's well documented...
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/05/03/475950/romney-campaign-misled-reporters-grenell/

I always find it amusing when the same people who unabashedly smear Fox News try to pass off groups like Think Progress as arbiters or truth...

posted by RBancroft on May 04, 2012 at 12:15:26 am     #   1 person liked this

madjack posted at 10:51:09 PM on May 03, 2012:
anonymouscoward posted at 06:14:04 PM on May 03, 2012:
mom2 posted at 05:50:06 PM on May 03, 2012:

I saw a poll today that claims Romney and Obama are now in a dead heat in Ohio.

I saw something today that claims Obama wasn't born in the USA. Your point?

The point, you churlish deviated septum, is that Ayatollah Obama is starting to lose the election - and as he continues to make one blunder after another the loses will become much more apparent. If you can read, that is.

Ahhahhahah. Here we go with the Obama is a Muslim crap. See why I have no respect for your bullshit blatherings?

posted by anonymouscoward on May 04, 2012 at 01:13:30 am     #  

madjack posted at 10:48:32 PM on May 03, 2012:
anonymouscoward posted at 04:40:38 PM on May 03, 2012:

Dear Madjack:

If you are too lazy to put "Obama achievements" into Google and hit I'm Feeling Lucky, then I'm not going to do it for you.

P.S. Please note the full list has REFERENCES.

P.P.S. Please clean up the blood and feathers when you're done.

No love,

AC

Somehow, someway, I just knew you couldn't do it. Put it off to being moderately well informed.

Loser.

See, you couldn't be bothered to do it, else you'd have taken a look.

Since you couldn't, I'm forced to paste all this. Now I dare you to go through and debunk or admit truth to every one of these, you pathetic little pussy.

Obama Administration’s Achievements (Thus Far)
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Arts and Culture

Increased funding for the National Endowment for the Arts (NEA) to the highest level since 1992. ref, ref, ref
Created an artist corps for public schools. ref
Championed the importance of arts education. ref
Promoted cultural diplomacy. ref

Banking and Financial Reform

BROAD POLICY:
Established the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform. ref
Established President’s Advisory Council on Financial Capability to assist in financial education for all Americans. ref, ref , ref
Restoring American Financial Stability Act of 2010. ref, ref
Dodd-Frank (DF) Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act, the biggest financial reform law since the Great Depression. ref
Managed the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) ref
Assigned a Special Inspector General for the Troubled Asset Relief Program Act of 2009. ref
Pension relief Act of 2010. ref
Fraud Enforcement and Recovery Act. ref, ref
Played a lead role in G-20 Summit re: financial crisis. ref
Reformed deferral rules to curb tax advantages for investing overseas. ref
Established new offshore investment policy that promotes in-sourcing. ref, ref
FUNDING:
Cut salaries for 65 bailout executives (Pay Czar). ref
Banks have repaid 75% of TARP funds, bringing the cost down to $89B as of June 2010. ref
Closed offshore tax safe havens, tax credit loopholes. ref , ref , ref
TARGETED ACTIONS:
Created the Financial Stability Oversight Council to monitor stability of the financial system and individual firms (DF). ref
New requirements for reporting financial data (DF). ref
Created self-funded Office of Financial Research (OFR) to collect information from financial firms (DF). ref
OFR employees must wait a year before working for certain financial firms. ref
Provided for orderly liquidation of financial companies (DF). ref
Limited trading activities of banks (Volcker Rule) beginning 2 yrs after passage (DF). ref
Swaps Pushout Rule prevented federal assistance to swaps (including derivatives) traders (DF). ref
Derivatives must be traded transparently through a clearing house (DF). ref
Defined the amount and nature of assets required to meet capital requirements (DF). ref
Originators of asset-backed securities must retain 5% ownership/risk (DF). ref
Bureau of Consumer Financial Protection (DF). ref
Stronger client fiduciary duty for broker-dealers (DF). ref
Higher standards for securities advertising and disclosures (DF). ref
Expanded “insider loans” (DF). ref
Higher standards for sytemically important ($50 billion assets+) institutions, including annual stress tests and restrictions on bank acquisitions (DF). ref
Executive compensation must be determined by an independent committee (DF). ref
Issued compensation guidelines for bank executive salary and bonuses. ref , ref
Financial agencies must establish Offices of Women and Minorities to promote more diverse hiring (DF). ref
Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility and Disclosure Act. ref, ref
Credit CARD Technical Corrections Act of 2009. ref
Established a credit card bill of rights. ref
Reformed credit card swipe fees. ref
Created new criminal penalties for mortgage fraud. ref
Congress pursued Goldman Sachs for securities violations. ref
Permanently extended Research and Experimentation Tax Credit for domestic investments. ref
RESULTS:
(Treasury) Sold 1.5 billion shares of Citigroup at a profit. ref
G-20 summit produced a $1.1 trillion deal to combat the global financial crisis. ref
Negotiated deal with Swiss banks to permit US government to gain access to records of tax evaders and criminals. ref
Financial reform has ‘strongest consumer financial protections in history.’ ref

Civil Rights

FUNDING:
Provided $12.2 billion in new funding for the Individuals with Disabilities Act though the American Recovery and investment Act. ref
TARGETED ACTIONS:
Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act; Instituted equal pay for women. ref, ref, ref
Presidential Memorandum extending benefits to same-sex partners of federal employees. ref , ref , ref , ref
Presidential Memorandum protecting gay and lesbian partners’ visitation/healthcare decision-making rights (4/15/2010). ref
Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act to include gender, sexual orientation and disability. ref
Supported the repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell (DADT). ref
Ryan White HIV/AIDS Treatment Extension Act. ref
Established White House Council on Women and Girls (Executive Order 13506 ). ref
Financial agencies must establish Offices of Women and Minorities to promote more diverse hiring.
Increased minority access to capital. ref
Pushing through settlement in the black farmers lawsuit against USDA. ref, ref
Signed the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities. ref
Increased Federal Employment of Individuals with Disabilities (Exec Order)(celebrating 20th anniversary of the ADA). ref, ref

Commerce, Trade and technology

BROAD POLICY:
Promoted internet freedom as part of U.S. foreign policy. ref, ref , ref
Webcaster Settlement Act of 2009. ref
Satellite Television Extension Act of 2010. ref
FUNDING:
Expanded loan programs for small businesses. ref
TARGETED ACTION:
Small Business Act. ref
Small Business Investment Act. ref
Proposed tougher meat industry antitrust rules. ref , ref
Denied federal contracts to tax delinquents. ref
Appointed the nation’s first Chief Technology Officer. ref
Established Federal IT Dashboard. ref
Modernized the USA.gov portal to connect people to the services they require. ref
Launched the National Export Initiative, with the goal of doubling US exports by 2015. ref , ref
Provided National Export Initiative/Progress report and named President’s Export Council. ref, ref
Launched piracy crackdown. ref

Conservation

BROAD POLICY:
Morris K. Udall Scholarship and Excellence in National Environmental Policy Amendments Act of 2009. ref
Omnibus Public Land Management Act of 2009. ref
North American Wetlands Conservation Act. ref
Stewardship of the Ocean (established National Ocean Council ), our Coasts and the Great Lakes (Executive Order). ref
Federal Leadership in Environmental, Energy and Economic Performance (Executive Order). ref, ref
Established partnerships to share environmental technology with other countries. ref
FUNDING:
Increased funding for the Land and Water Conservation Fund. ref
Increased funding for national parks and forests. ref
$175 million of ARRA allocated for water conservation, $135 million of that in the West. ref
TARGETED AREAS:
Reengaged in the treaties/agreements to protect the Antarctic. ref, ref
Expanded access to places to hunt and fish. ref
Chesapeake Bay Protection and Restoration (Executive Order). ref, ref
Led effort to phase out whaling. ref
Pursued a wildfire management plan. ref
Encouraged more controlled burns to reduce wildfires. ref
Ordered removal of more brush, small trees and vegetation that fuel wildfires. ref

Economy

BROAD POLICY:
The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 (ARRA): a $789 billion economic stimulus plan. ref
US auto industry rescue plan. ref, ref
Start-Up activity now higher than it was during the dotcom boom. ref
Created task force to fight deficit. ref
Worker, Homeownership, and Business Assistance Act of 2009. ref
Temporary extension of programs under the Small Business Act and the Small Business Investment Act of 1958. ref
FUNDING:
Increased minority access to capital. ref
$26 billion aid to states package (Aug 2010). ref
TARGETED ACTIONS:
Raised the small business investment limit to $250,000 through the end of 2009. ref
Created an Advanced Manufacturing Fund to invest in peer-reviewed manufacturing processes. ref
Improper Payments Elimination and Recovery Act – establishes a Federal “Do Not Pay” list. ref
Extended and indexed the 2007 Alternative Minimum Tax patch. ref
Adopted Economic Substance tax doctrine. ref
Extended unemployment insurance benefits and temporarily suspend taxes on these benefits. ref ref
Economy grew 5.9% in 4th quarter. ref
U.S. Economy: Manufacturing grew by most since 2004. ref
U.S. GDP up 3.2% in first quarter. ref
Consumer spending showed biggest rise in 3 years. ref
Orders for most durable goods rose. ref
Wholesale inventories and sales rose in March. ref
$26 billion state aid bill triggered a surge of private municipal investment. ref
EXHIBITS – THE STIMULUS ONE YEAR LATER:
Success of the stimulus–how do you illustrate ‘could have been worse’? ref
Distribution of ARRA funds by year. ref
Need for financial education: Investors who act on their own do worse than T-bills; market timers earn negative returns. ref
Consumer debt patterns (revolving and non-revolving) through end of 2009. ref
Growth of the national debt from 2000-2009. ref
Bar chart showing increases in national debt by President (since Carter). ref
Pie chart: 2009 annual deficit contrasting large Bush tax cuts and relatively small ARRA. ref
THE LEGACY: AUGUST 2010
The Economy Has Been Growing – seasonally adjusted change in GDP by quarter 2007-2010. ref
The Private Sector Has Begun to Add Jobs – Monthly change in nonfarm employment 2008-2010. ref
GDP would have been lower without the Recovery Act (2007-2013 projection) (scroll down to Part III to see chart). ref
Unemployment would have been higher without ARRA (2008-2010). ref
The gap between actual and full-employment GDP would have been much larger without TARP and ARRA (2008-2010). ref
MISCELLANEOUS EXHIBITS:
Public Sector Lost 316,000 jobs October 09-July 10 (state aid negotiated out of ARRA by GOP). ref

Education: College

BROAD POLICY:
Enacted largest reform of student aid in 40 years. ref, ref
Health Care and Education Affordability Reconciliation Act of 2010. ref
Established President’s Advisory Council on Financial Capability to assist in financial education for all Americans. ref, ref, ref
FUNDING:
Increased funding for land-grant college. ref
Provided means for students struggling to make college loan payments to refinance. ref
TARGETED ACTIONS:
Expanded Pell grants for low-income students. ref
Expanded Pell grant pool by eliminating private lender subsidies for student loans. ref

Education: Health of Children

BROAD POLICY:
Created the Race to the Top Fund ($4.35 billion) to reward States that create comprehensive education reform plans. ref
Children’s Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2009 . ref
FUNDING:
Provided funding for high-speed, broadband Internet access to K-12 schools. ref
Established State Equalization Fund; new funds for school construction (ARRA). ref
Provided $77 Billion for reforms to to strengthen Elementary and Secondary education. ref
Fully funded the Community Development Block Grant (CDBG). ref
Provided $12.2 billion in new funding for the Individuals with Disabilities Act through the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. ref
$26 billion state aid package saved 160,000 teacher jobs (Aug 2010) ref
Provided over $2.3 billion in additional funding to Head Start and Early Head Start programs in 2009. ref
Provided $5 billion dollars for Early Learning Programs under the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. ref
Roughly doubled the amount available in Federal Child Care Block Grants. ref
Established “Promise Neighborhood” Grants (modeled after the Harlem Children’s Zone). ref , ref
Eliminated abstinence-only funding in budget. ref, ref
TARGETED ACTIONS:
Helped rebuild schools in New Orleans. ref
Established school programs to highlight space and science achievements. ref
Recruited math and science degree graduates to the teaching profession. ref
Expanded the Nurse-Family Partnership to all low-income, first-time mothers . ref
Provided affordable, high-quality child care. ref
Unveiled initiatives to help men be better fathers. ref

Employment: Jobs

BROAD POLICY:
Jobs for Main Street Act (2010). ref
American Jobs and Closing Tax Loopholes Act of 2010. ref
National Export Initiative ref
FUNDING:
(DOL) Dedicated $100 million in Energy Training Partnership green jobs training grants. ref
(DOL) Dedicated $150 million for Pathways Out of Poverty green jobs training grants. ref
$33 billion-dollar jobs package (March 2010). ref , ref
$26 billion aid to states package (Aug 2010). ref
$5,000 tax credit for every new worker. ref
New Health IT Workforce Grants (ARRA). ref
TARGETED ACTIONS:
Job training programs in clean technologies for displaced workers. ref
Green Vet Initiative to promote environmental jobs for veterans. ref
Financial agencies must establish Offices of Women and Minorities to promote more diverse hiring (DF).
Recruited math and science degree graduates to the teaching profession. ref
Initiated a new policy to promote federal hiring of military spouses. ref, ref
Required new hires to sign a form affirming their hiring was not due to political affiliations or contributions. ref, ref
RESULTS:
CBO found 3.7 Million jobs created by stimulus (May 2010). ref
Job loss exploded under Bush, improves under Obama. ref
682,370 jobs created under the Recovery Act Between January 1 — March 31,2010. ref, ref, ref
New jobless claims tumble. ref
March payrolls surge by 162,000 US says . ref
March jobs data showed biggest growth in three years .ref
U.S. economy added 90000 jobs in April . ref
Jobless rates dropped in 34 states and DC (AP). ref

Energy: Green

BROAD POLICY:
Established an Energy Partnership for the Americas. ref
Established the Biofuels Working Group to develop a comprehensive approach to alternative fuels. ref
Additional measures to advance clean energy/solar investments and job creation (ARRA). ref
Launched new Climate Service. ref
Worked toward deploying a global climate change research and monitoring system. ref
Implemented renewable fuels mandate of 36 billion gallons by 2022. ref
FUNDING:
More than doubled federal spending for research on clean fuels. ref
$60 billion in spending and tax incentives for renewable and clean energy. ref
Invested in all types of alternative energy. ref
Increased funding for the Environmental Protection Agency. ref
Invested $2 billion in solar power, hailed new jobs. ref, ref, ref
Established consumer tax credit for plug-in hybrid cars. ref, ref
Provided grants to encourage energy-efficient building codes. ref
Doubled funding for bicycling, walking projects ref, ref
(DOL) Dedicated $100 million in Energy Training Partnership green jobs training grants. ref
(DOL) Dedicated $150 million for Pathways Out of Poverty green jobs training grants. ref
$8 billion combined public/pvt funding committed to develop Smart Power Grid (part of ARRA). ref
Incentivized farmers to use more renewable energy and be more energy efficient. ref
TARGETED ACTIONS:
Purchased fuel efficient American-made fleet for the federal government. ref
Ordered 5,000 hybrids for federal fleet. ref
(NIST) Completed first release of Smart Grid framework. ref
Created job training programs in clean technologies for displaced workers. ref
Created Green Vet Initiative to promote environmental jobs for veterans. ref
Established program to convert manufacturing centers into clean technology leaders. ref
RESULTS:
First President to create detailed vision for clean energy economy. ref
Wind power growth up 39% due to government stimulus. ref
Study: Almost 5 million charging stations by 2015. ref

Energy: Old

BROAD POLICY:
Ended the previous policy of not regulating and labeling carbon dioxide emissions. ref
Created Interagency Task Force on Carbon Capture and Storage. ref
Set national standards for fuel economy and first ever greenhouse gas emission levels for passenger cars and light trucks. ref
Set smog limit: new strict proposal to replace Bush-era rule (EPA). ref ref
Regulated greenhouse gases for large industrial sources (EPA). ref
Raised fuel economy standards. ref
Required states to provide incentives for utilities to reduce energy consumption. ref
Allowed states to enact tougher fuel efficiency standards than federal standards. ref
Established Blue Ribbon Commission on America’s Nuclear Future. ref
FUNDING:
Pledged more than $8 billion for new nuclear reactors. ref
Tax breaks to promote public transit. ref
TARGETED ACTIONS:
Dismantled the Minerals Management Service, cutting ties between industry and government. ref , ref
Reengaged in global warming and greenhouse gas emissions talks. ref, ref
Offered 17% U.S. emissions cuts at climate summit. ref
Pledged 28% cut in federal greenhouse gas emissions by 2020. ref
Expanded greenhouse gas reduction targets for Federal operations -13% reduction from indirect sources by 2020. ref
(FTC) Toughened anti-greenwashing rules. ref
Instituted “Cash for Clunkers” to spur auto sales and promote fuel efficiency . ref, ref
Ordered inspections of mines with poor safety records. ref
Closed loophole that allowed drilling in Rockies without environmental review. ref
(EPA) Sharply limited mountaintop mining. ref
(EPA) Announced historic plans to regulate coal ash. ref
Required electric utilities to produce 20% of their electricity demand from renewable energy sources by 2020. ref
(EPA) Limited mercury emissions. ref ref

Energy: Oil

BROAD POLICY:
Introduced Oil Spill Recovery Bill to remove oil company liability cap. ref ref
Created offshore drilling safety review board. ref
Created new drilling agency with investigative arm. ref
Ended previous practice of having White House aides rewrite scientific and environmental rules, regulations and reports. ref
FUNDING:
Ordered $20 billion escrow fund by BP to reimburse lost incomes in Gulf. ref
Ordered $100 million to compensate those hurt by drilling moratorium. ref
TARGETED ACTIONS:
Dismantled the Minerals Management Service, cutting ties between industry and government. ref , ref
Mandated new safety rules for offshore drilling. ref
Opened civil and criminal investigations into Gulf oil spill. ref, ref
(Congress) Launched investigation into gas drilling practices. ref
Established the National Commission on the BP Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill and Offshore Drilling. ref
Amended Oil Pollution Act of 1990 authorizing advances from Oil Spill Liability Trust Fund for the Deepwater Horizon oil spill. ref
Expanded oil rig workers’ families abilities to sue and recover. ref
Fined BP subsidiary $5.2 million for false reporting. ref
(EPA) Barred Texas’ authority to issue refinery operating permits. ref

Foreign Affairs and International Relations

BROAD POLICY:
Re-established the United States standing in the world. ref, ref, ref
Poll: World’s opinion of U.S. has “improved sharply” under Obama. ref
47 nations rise to Obama’s challenge at US nuke summit and agree to four years of non-proliferation efforts. ref
Visited more countries and world leaders than any first year president. ref
G-20 Summit produced a $1.1 trillion deal to combat the global financial crisis. ref
Launched an international Add Value to Agriculture initiative (AVTA). ref
Created a rapid response fund for emerging democracies. ref
Bolstered the military’s ability to speak different languages. ref
BY REGION:
West Hem: Returned the rights of Americans to visit and assist their families in Cuba. ref , ref , ref
Middle East: Appointed envoys to the Middle East and AFPAK affirming the power of American diplomacy. ref
Middle East: Renewed loan guarantees for Israel. ref
Middle East: Pledged $400 million in aid to Gaza civillians. ref
Middle East: Pressured Israel to end Gaza blockade. ref
Middle East: Refused to give Israel a “green light” to strike Iran, augmenting Mid-East stability. ref
Middle East: Iran Sanctions Act. ref
Asia: Authorized President Bill Clinton’s mission to secure the release of two Americans held in North Korea. ref
Asia: Authorized discussions with Myanmar and mission by Sen. Jim Webb to secure the release of an American held captive. ref
Asia: Renewed import restrictions under Burmese Freedom and Democracy Act of 2003. ref
Asia: Nuclear arms agreements with India (5/4/2010). ref
Africa: Lord’s Resistance Army Disarmament and Northern Uganda Recovery Act of 2009. ref
Africa: Helped stabilize Somalia (Exec Order). ref
Aus: Nuclear arms agreements with Australia (5/5/2010). ref
Europe: Nuclear arms agreement with Russia. ref , ref, ref, ref
Europe: Agreed with Switzerland to bolster tax information exchange ref, ref

Government Efficiency

BROAD POLICY:
Established the President’s Management Advisory Board. ref
Streamlined and modernized government to save taxpayer dollars. ref
Ended previous practice of having White House aides rewrite scientific and environmental rules, regulations and reports. ref
SPECIFIC CUTS:
Cut salaries of senior White House aides. ref
Made $20 Billion in budget cuts. ref
Provided that Members of Congress shall not receive a cost of living adjustment in pay during fiscal year 2011. ref, ref, ref
Eliminated F-22 fighter jet program after lobbying Senate vote to strip financing for more jets from a defense funding authorization bill. ref, ref, ref
Canceled contract for new Presidential helicopter fleet (28 helicopters, $11.2 billion). ref
OTHER TARGETED ACTIONS:
Enhanced payment accuracy through a “Do Not Pay” list. ref
Cracked down on tax cheats (Exec Order). ref
Returned taxpayer monies for refurbishment of White House offices and living quarters. ref , ref
Established the USA.gov portal connecting people to the services they require. ref

Health and Wellness

BROAD POLICY:
Established HealthCare.gov, a web portal for determining and comparing all consumer health insurance and health care options ref, ref
Established an independent health institute to provide accurate and objective information. ref
Established the National Prevention, Health Promotion, and Public Health Council . ref, ref
Established President’s Council on Fitness, Sports and Nutrition. ref
Ended previous policy of cutting the FDA and circumventing FDA rules. ref
Implemented a National HIV/AIDS Strategy 7/13/10 ref
FUNDING:
Provided $20 billion increase for the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program. ref
Provided $500 million in expanded funding for Health Professions Training Programs. ref, ref
Provided funding to strengthen hospital preparedness and emergency response ref
Expanded funding to train primary care providers and public health practitioners. ref
Increased funding to expand community based prevention prog: rams. ref
TARGETED ACTIONS:
First Lady Michelle Obama kicked off anti-obesity effort. ref
Established a New Patient’s Bill of Rights. ref
Established Patient Safety and Medical Liability Demonstration Projects. ref , ref
Questioned Prestigious Hospitals in Electronic Health Records Probe (DHHS). ref
Established Standards For Accessible Medical Diagnostic Equipment ref
Expanded vaccination programs. ref , ref
Signed the Ryan White HIV/AIDS Treatment Extension Act of 2009. ref
Engaged global efforts on HIV/AIDS issues. ref
(FDA) Now regulating tobacco. ref, ref
Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act. ref
(FDA) Ordered Tobacco Companies to Disclose Cigarette Ingredients. ref , ref , ref
Banned sale of “light” cigarettes. ref
Increased Federal Employment of Individuals with Disabilities (Exec Order)(celebrating 20th anniversary of the ADA). ref, ref
(FDA) to discuss stricter guidelines for tanning beds due to skin cancer. ref
(FDA) Issued new guidance limiting antibiotic use in cattle to preserve efficacy in humans (6/28/2010). ref
FDA) Reconsidered safety of Bisphenol A, initiates study. ref

Health Care Reform (See also Taxes)

BROAD POLICY:
Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act // Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010 (March 2010). ref , ref
Required large employers to contribute to a national health plan. ref
Required insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions. ref , ref
Required health plans to disclose how much of the premium goes to patient care. ref
Established an independent health institute to provide accurate and objective information. ref
Provided minimum essential health care coverage by Veteran’s Affairs. ref
Expanded eligibility for State Children’s Health Insurance Fund (SCHIP). ref, ref
Prevented children from being refused health insurance coverage. ref
Established Early Retiree Reinsurance Program. ref
Increased regulation of drug manufacturers. ref, ref
Cut prescription drug costs for Medicare recipients by 50% and began eliminating the plan’s gap (“donut hole”) in coverage. ref
TRICARE Affirmation Act. ref
Extended COBRA (Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act) to provide for a continuation of health care. ref, ref, ref
Medicare Physician Payment Reform Act of 2009. ref , ref , ref, ref

Housing

BROAD POLICY:
Unveiled $275 billion dollar housing plan ref
Established “Opening Doors” – a federal strategic plan to prevent and end homelessness. ref , ref
FUNDING:
Provided $510 Million for the rehabilitation of Native American housing. ref
Provided $2 billion for Neighborhood Stabilization Program . ref
Provided $5 billion for Weatherization Assistance Program for low income families. ref
Provided grants to encourage energy-efficient building codes. Ref
TARGETED ACTIONS:
Fraud Enforcement and Recovery Act. ref
Helping Families Save Their Homes Act, helping millions avoid foreclosure . ref, ref
Established the Making Home Affordable Plan, which will provide for the refinance or loan modification for 9 Million homeowners. ref
RESULTS:
New-home sales saw biggest jump in 47 years. ref, ref
Foreclosures fall 2%. ref

Humanitarianism

BROAD POLICY:
Supported the repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell (DADT). ref
Civil Rights History Project Act of 2009. ref, ref
FUNDING:
Accelerated tax benefits for charitable cash contributions for Haiti earthquake relief. ref
Made Haiti donations tax deductible for 2009. ref
$60 million for flood victims in Pakistan (8/19/10).
TARGETED ACTIONS:
The Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act; instituted equal pay for women. ref, ref, ref
Presidential Memorandum extending benefits to same-sex partners of federal employees. ref, ref, ref, ref
Increased federal employment of individuals with disabilities (Exec Order)(celebrating 20th anniversary of the ADA). ref ref
Presidential Memorandum extending benefits to Same-Sex Partners of Federal Employees. ref, ref, ref, ref
Presidential Memorandum protecting gay and lesbian partners’ visitation/healthcare decision-making rights (4/15/2010). ref
The Ryan White HIV/AIDS Treatment Extension Act. ref
Awarded the Presidential Medal of freedom to Harvey Milk and Billie Jean King. ref
The Daniel Pearl Freedom of the Press Act, advancing press freedom and safety for journalists. ref, ref,
The Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act to include gender, sexual orientation and disability. ref
Established White House Council on Women and Girls (Executive Order 13506 ). ref
Awarded 2009 Nobel Peace Prize. ref
Signed the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities. ref
The Native American Heritage Day Act of 2009. ref
Appointed an American Indian policy adviser. ref
(EPA) Reversed Controversial “Human Guinea Pig” Rule. ref

Immigration

Requested emergency funding of $600 million for Border Security. ref
Deployed more drones on Mexico border (Homeland Security). ref
Deported higher numbers of Illegal Immigrants. ref

Infrastructure

BROAD POLICY:
Introduced plan to expand broadband Internet across U.S. ref, ref
FUNDING:
$8 billion combined public/private funding committed to develop Smart Power Grid (ARRA.) ref
$800 million to fund rapid rollout of rural broadband expansion (7/2010). ref
Provided funding for high-speed, broadband Internet access to K-12 schools. ref
Increased infrastructure spending (roads, bridges, power plants) after years of neglect. ref
$290 million in funding for 53 grants to “fund new streetcars, buses, and transit facilities.” ref ref
Invested $13 Billion (ARRA: $8B + $1B 5-year federal budget) in high speed rail projects in 13 major corridors ref, ref, ref
Provided grants to encourage energy-efficient building codes. ref
Created a social investment fund network. ref
Funded a major expansion of AmeriCorps. ref
TARGETED ACTIONS:
(NIST) Completed first release of Smart Grid framework. ref
Opened 500 MHz of wireless spectrum over next 10 years to expand wireless/mobile broadband use. ref
Commenced 10,000th road project, Columbus, OH (part of ARRA); June 2010. ref , ref
Airport and Airway Extension Act. ref
Initiated modification to Sanitary Sewer Overflow (SSO) regulations. ref, ref
Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act, which expands the volunteer program. ref, ref ref
RESULTS:
Study: Almost 5 million charging stations by 2015. ref
10,000th highway project (ARRA). ref

Labor

Established POWER Initiative – protects government workers, ensures reemployment, reduces worker’s comp claims and payments. ref
Restored funding to the EEOC and the U.S. Department of Labor’s Office of Federal Contract Compliance Programs. ref

Law and Justice

BROAD POLICY:
Outlined new federal drug control policy. ref ref
Ordered review of mandatory minimum sentences. ref
FUNDING:
Restored funding for the Byrne Justice Assistance Grant (Byrne/JAG) program. ref
TARGETED ACTIONS:
Appointment of first Latina to the Supreme Court. ref, ref
Appointed first black Attorney General, Eric Holder. ref
Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act to include gender, sexual orientation and disability. ref
Established crimes programs for the new Orleans area. ref
Brought greter alignment to sentencing guidelines for powdered versus crack cocaine. ref
Denounced SCOTUS ruling in Citizens United. ref
Pushing through settlement in the Black Farmers Lawsuit against USDA . ref, ref
DTV Delay Act. ref
Criminal History Background Checks Pilot Extension Act of 2009. ref
Tribal Law and Order Act. ref, ref, ref, ref
RESULTS:
U.S. jail population declined for first time in decades. ref

Medicaid/Medicare/Social Security

BROAD POLICY:
Established independent commission to make recommendations on slowing the costs of Medicare. ref
Social Security Disability Applicant Access to Professional Representation Act of 2010. ref
FUNDING:
Eliminated higher subsidies to Medicare Advantage plans. ref
TARGETED ACTIONS:
Medicare Physician Payment Reform Act of 2009. ref, ref, ref, ref
Cut prescription drug costs for Medicare recipients by 50% and began eliminating the plan’s gap (“donut hole”) in coverage. ref
Preserved access to care for Medicare beneficiaries ref
Expanded eligibility for Medicaid. ref

Military and National Security

BROAD POLICY:
Began restructuring the military to reflect present day threats and technology. ref
Recommitted the U.S. to a policy of “no torture” and full compliance with the Geneva Conventions. ref
All servicepeople receive education in a region’s culture and language before deployment there (a soldier said this on Maddow).
Supported the Repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell (DADT). ref , ref
Ended the previous stop-loss policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan longer than their enlistment date. ref
Established new cyber security office. ref, ref
Defense Production Act Reauthorization of 2009. ref
Weapons Systems Acquisition Reform Act. ref
Nuclear Forensics and Attribution Act. ref
FUNDING:
Cut the missile defense program by $1.4 billion in 2010. ref
Eliminated F-22 fighter jet program after lobbying Senate vote to strip financing for more jets from a defense funding authorization bill. ref, ref, ref
Canceled contract for new Presidential helicopter fleet (28 helicopters, $11.2 billion). ref
$1.1 Billion for improving airport security. ref
Increased pay and benefits for military personnel. ref
BY REGION/THEATER:
AF Changed the failing/status quo military command in Afghanistan. ref, ref
AF Set troop pullout in Afghanistan to begin in summer 2011. ref , ref
AF Established Afghan War policy that limits aerial bombing, prioritizes aid
AF infrastructure, diplomacy, and good government practices. ref
AF Ordered military to withdraw fast food establishments from Afghan bases. ref
IQ Ended combat mission (remaining personnel are nonagressive) 8/18/10
SOM Increased US Navy patrols off Somali coast. ref
SOM Ordered SEAL operation that resulted in killing of three terrorists and the release of US captain held by Somali pirates. ref
Closed secret detention facilities in Eastern Europe and elsewhere. ref , ref
Opened door to space arms treaty. ref, ref
Restarted the nuclear nonproliferation talks, building back up the nuclear inspection infrastructure/protocols. ref
Executive Order Optimizing the Security of Biological Select Agents and Toxins in the US. ref
Caught more Taliban Leaders in one month than Bush/Cheney did in six years. ref
Negotiated nuclear arms agreements with Australia (5/5/2010), India (5/4/2010), and Russia (5/10/2010). ref, ref, ref, ref
New START treaty and protocol with Medvedev. ref

Military Veterans and Families

BROAD POLICY:
Initiated a new policy to promote federal hiring of military spouses. ref, ref
Improved benefits for veterans. ref, ref, ref, ref
Interagency Task Force on Veterans Small Business Development . ref
Worked to clear the backlog of veterans claims and streamline benefits to those who served. ref
FUNDING:
Provided for the expenses of families of to be at Dover AFB when fallen soldiers arrive.ref
Donated 250K of Nobel prize money to Fisher House. ref
Veterans Health Care Budget Reform and Transparency Act of 2009. ref
Veterans’ Compensation Cost-of-Living Adjustment Act of 2009. ref
TARGETED ACTIONS:
Medal of Honor Commemorative Coin Act of 2009. ref
Promoted a bill to award a Congressional Gold Medal to the Women Airforce Service Pilots (“WASP”). ref
Ended media blackout on war casualties; reporting full information. ref , ref, ref , ref
Military Spouses Residency Relief Act. ref
Improved basic housing allowance for military personnel. ref
Caregivers and Veterans Omnibus Health Services Act of 2010. ref
Provided minimum essential health care coverage by Veteran’s Affairs. ref
Authorized construction/opening of additional health centers to care for veterans. ref
Korean War Veterans Recognition Act. ref
Blinded Veterans Association. ref
Major Charles R. Soltes, Jr., O.D. Department of Veterans Affairs Blind Rehabilitation Center. ref
Improved access for Veterans to receive PTSD treatment. ref
Green Vet Initiative to promote environmental jobs for veterans. ref

National Disasters and Emergencies

BROAD POLICY:
Ordered an extensive review of hurricane and natural disaster preparedness. ref, ref
Memorandum on the Long-Term Gulf Coast Restoration Support Plan ref
FUNDING:
Provided $210 Million for building and upgrading fire stations. ref
Ordered $20 billion escrow fund by BP to reimburse lost incomes in Gulf. ref
Ordered $100 million to compensate those hurt by drilling moratorium. ref
TARGETED ACTIONS:
Haiti Economic Lift Program Act of 2010. ref
Haiti Debt Relief and Earthquake Recovery Act of 2010. ref
Emergency Aid to American Survivors of the Haiti Earthquake Act. ref

National Service

The Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act — Expands the national volunteer program. ref ref, ref ref
Created a Social Investment Fund Network. ref

Scientific and Medical Research

BROAD POLICY:
Removed restrictions and provided support for embryonic stem-cell research and new biomedical research. ref, ref, ref ref
Extended the President’s Council of Advisors on Science and Technology. ref, ref
Supported Landsat Data Continuity Mission to enhance earth mapping. ref
FUNDING:
Provided new federal funding for science and research labs. ref
Provided grants to early-career researchers. ref
TARGETED ACTIONS:
Appointed an assistant to the president for science and technology policy. ref
Optimized the Security of Biological Select Agents and Toxins in the United States ref
Optimized the Security of Biological Select Agents and Toxins in the United States ref

Space Exploration and Space Station

BROAD POLICY:
Worked with international allies on International Space Station ref
Opened door to space arms treaty. ref, ref
Used the private sector to improve spaceflight ref
Supported commercial access to outer space ref
FUNDING:
Increased spending to prepare for longer space missions ref
TARGETED ACTIONS:
Added another Space Shuttle flight ref
Partnered to enhance the potential of the International Space Station ref
Used the International Space Station for fundamental biological and physical research ref
Determined whether International Space Station can operate after 2016 ref
Conducted robust research and development on future space missions ref
DOD opened access to social media sites (Air Force News). ref
DOD will film all interrogations. ref
Cracked down on tax cheats (exec order). ref
Dismantled the Minerals Management Service, cutting ties between industry and government. ref , ref
Established the USA.gov portal connecting people to the services they require ref
Daniel Pearl Freedom of the Press Act. ref, ref
White House voluntary disclosure policy – visitor access records/450,000 records to date ref ref

Taxes

BROAD POLICY:
Adopted Economic Substance tax doctrine. ref
Cracked down on tax cheats (Exec Order). ref
TARGETED ACTIONS: TAX CREDITS/REDUCTIONS:
Temporarily suspended taxes on unemployment benefits. ref ref
Established consumer tax credit for plug-in hybrid cars. ref, ref
$60 billion in spending and tax incentives for renewable and clean energy. ref
Tax breaks to promote public transit. ref
Extended and indexed the 2007 Alternative Minimum Tax patch. ref
Small business teax credits for the cost of health insurance for employees beginning 1/1/10 (HCR).
2-year temporary tax credit up to $1 billion to encourage investment in new disease prevention and treatment therapies (HCR).
Income floor for medical expense deductions for individuals age 65 and older (and their spouses) remains at 7.5% through 2016; Raise 7.5% floor to 10% for all others (1/1/13) (HCR) ref
Health insurance premium tax credits and subsidies available for those with income up to 4x the federal poverty level (1/1/14) (HCR) ref ref
Accelerated tax benefits for charitable cash contributions for Haiti earthquake relief. ref
TARGETED ACTIONS: TAX ASSESSMENTS/INCREASES:
Made Haiti donations tax deductible for 2009. ref
ncreased penalty tax of 20% on nonqual distributions from HSA and MSA (1/1/11) (HCR) ref
Income tax rates for the highest earners will change from 35 to 39.6 percent. (1/1/11) (HCR) ref
Capital gains tax for the highest earners will change from 15 to 20 percent. (1/1/11) (HCR) ref
2.3% excise tax on manufacturers and importers of certain medical devices (1/1/13) (HCR) ref
For high earners the capital gains tax will rise from 20 to 23.8 percent. (1/1/13) (HCR) ref
A 2.35 percent Medicare payroll tax only on wages over the threshold (an increase of 0.9 percent) (1/1/13) (HCR) ref
Tax increase for corporations with assets of at least $1 billion (1/1/14) (HCR) ref
40% Excise tax on Cadillac health plans (2018) (HCR) ref
TARGETED ACTIONS: TAX ENFORCEMENT AND ADMINISTRATION:
Closed offshore tax safe havens, tax credit loopholes . ref , ref , ref
Employers will report the value of health benefits on W-2s (1/1/11) (HCR) ref
RESULTS:
Tax bills hit lowest level since 1950. ref
Tax refunds up 10 percent due to stimulus. ref

Transparency and Accountability

BROAD POLICY:
Mandate to follow the standards of the Freedom of Information Act (exec order). ref
Instructed all federal agencies to promote openness and transparency as much as possible. ref
Unveiled “open government” plans. ref
Federal IT Dashboard, “a website enabling federal agencies & the public to view details of information technology”. ref
TARGETED ACTIONS:
Released presidential records. ref
Imposed limits on lobbyists’ access to the White House. ref ref
Imposed limits on White House aides working for lobbyists after their tenure in the administration. ref
Closed lobbyist loopholes with respect to the Recovery Act ref
Banned lobbyist gifts to executive employees. ref
Provided more town halls and media access than previous administration. ref, ref
Required health plans to disclose how much of the premium goes to patient care. ref
Established an independent health institute to provide accurate and objective information. ref
Required new hires to sign a form affirming their hiring was not due to political affiliations or contributions. ref, ref
Established a uniform standard for declassifying, safeguarding and classifying national security information (12/29/2009). ref
Created a national declassification center. ref
DOD opened access to social media sites (Air Force News). ref
DOD will film all interrogations. ref
Cracked down on tax cheats (exec order). ref
Dismantled the Minerals Management Service, cutting ties between industry and government. ref , ref
Established the USA.gov portal connecting people to the services they require ref
Daniel Pearl Freedom of the Press Act. ref, ref
RESULTS:
White House voluntary disclosure policy – visitor access records/450,000 records to date ref ref

Recovery, Progress and Change

Federal deficit shrank 8% year-on-year.
Financial reform has ‘strongest consumer financial protections in history.’ ref
Wall St reform designed to end taxpayer bailouts. ref
Six-month report card: exports in the first four months of 2010 were 17 percent higher than in the first four months of 2009 . ref
Job loss exploded under Bush, improves under Obama. ref
682,370 jobs created under the Recovery Act Between January 1 — March 31,2010. ref, ref, ref
New jobless claims tumble. ref
March payrolls surge by 162,000. ref
March jobs data showed biggest growth in three years .ref
U.S. economy added 90,000 jobs in April . ref
Jobless rates dropped in 34 states and DC (AP). ref
New-home sales saw biggest jump in 47 years. ref, ref
Foreclosures fall 2%. ref
U.S. Economy: Manufacturing grew by most since 2004. ref
U.S. GDP up 3.2% in first quarter, consumer spending showed biggest rise in 3 years . ref
Orders for most durable goods rose. ref
Wholesale inventories and sales rose in March. ref
Consumer confidence highest in 2 years. ref
Start-Up activity now higher than it was during the dotcom boom. ref
Study: almost 5 million charging stations by 2015. ref
Wind power growth up 39% due to government stimulus. ref
Poll: world’s opinion of U.S. has “improved sharply” under Obama.ref
47 nations rise to Obama’s challenge at US nuke summit and agree to four years of non-proliferation efforts. ref
U.S. jail population declined for first time in decades. ref

Miscellaneous

Got his daughters a puppy! ref
Held first Seder in White House. ref, ref
Appointed at least one Republican to the cabinet. ref

posted by anonymouscoward on May 04, 2012 at 01:20:08 am     #   1 person liked this

That was the ambien of all posts

posted by shamrock44 on May 04, 2012 at 08:50:32 am     #  

I officially nominate AnonymousCoward for the 2012 cut and paste award in the subcategory Longest Post On Topic.

Will someone second my nomination?

posted by madjack on May 04, 2012 at 10:44:34 am     #   1 person liked this

madjack posted at 10:44:34 AM on May 04, 2012:

I officially nominate AnonymousCoward for the 2012 cut and paste award in the subcategory Longest Post On Topic.

Will someone second my nomination?

You issued the challenge. You couldn't be bothered to type two words into Google and hit the button. You got served. Now you're being a fucking douchebag.

This is why I hate you Teabaggers. You whine and cry that you don't get what you want, then you whine and cry until it's handed to you, then you turn into complete and utter fucking douchebags who suddenly change topics when it's clear that you've been completely and utterly owned and humiliated.

Here's how this breaks down, asshole.

You: "0bama's done nothing, he's a loser!"
Me: "Bullshit!"
You: "Oh yeah, well then prove it!"
Me: "Google it yourself, you lazy ass! If I post anything, you'll just attack the sources anyhow."
You: "You aren't posting anything because you know it to be true that he's done nothing! HAHAHAHHA! I am awesome!"
Me: "Okay, fuck you." ::cut and paste epic list:: "There. You just got owned."
You: "WAAAAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAAAAA AC IS BEING AN ASSHOLE BECAUSE I AM A BIASED BIGOTED FUCK WHO ISSUED A CHALLENGE AND HAVE ACTED DISHONORABLY! QUICK, FELLOW TEABAGGERS, LET'S GANG UP ON AC AND MAKE FUN OF HIM BECAUSE WE CAN'T TAKE HIM AND HIS ARGUMENTS UP ON ANY LOGICAL AND RATIONAL BASIS!"

So sad that all the conservatives/Republicans that have the honor and respect to admit the truth are kicked out of their party by the Teabaggers and Neocons.

posted by anonymouscoward on May 04, 2012 at 11:12:10 am     #   1 person liked this

Where is the Progressive Presidential candidate? Oh that's right still licking the boots of the Neo-Lib Democratic party.

posted by dbw8906 on May 04, 2012 at 11:27:59 am     #   1 person liked this

Now AC... be a good boy and take your meds.

Will somebody please get the net while I keep him distracted?

And in case this fails, would DBW please stand by with the tranquilizer rifle?

posted by madjack on May 04, 2012 at 11:29:16 am     #  

While I'm certainly not pro-Obama (except when compared to the viable alternatives), why would you be upset that somebody posted a large list of his achievements after you asked for them?

posted by researcher on May 04, 2012 at 11:58:47 am     #   1 person liked this

Those weren't achievements, at least certainly not notable ones.

Obama should get credit for ending DADT, and for having the balls to authorize the Osama raid. That's about it.

Unemployment is still at ~14.5%, so if he were truly about fighting for the middle class, he'd find a way to (help) create some fucking jobs. That's really all Americans want right now.

posted by BusterBluth on May 04, 2012 at 12:16:08 pm     #  

Sure they were. Unfortunately, they won't be to the average myopic voter. Personally, if I did want to take a short-sighted approach, I can say my situation has improved tremendously throughout his term. So has the situation of most people I'm close with. By most accounts, we're on a slow upswing (slower than hoped and the reasons for which being debatable).

Is it trolling if I hope only to encourage more cries of socialism, birther claims, and ridiculous oversight mixed with exaggeration? While opinions probably won't change from a forum post, we can at least keep ourselves amused.

posted by researcher on May 04, 2012 at 12:38:14 pm     #  

BusterBluth posted at 12:16:08 PM on May 04, 2012:

Those weren't achievements, at least certainly not notable ones.

Obama should get credit for ending DADT, and for having the balls to authorize the Osama raid. That's about it.

Unemployment is still at ~14.5%, so if he were truly about fighting for the middle class, he'd find a way to (help) create some fucking jobs. That's really all Americans want right now.

Get Congress to pass a jobs bill.

Oh wait. Won't happen because the Republicans are too busy opposing anything Obama likes. If Obama announced he was against mixing bleach and ammonia, especially in closed rooms, the shelves would be bare in Walmart and toxic clouds of chlorine gas would be wafting all over.

Republicans are too busy passing restrictions on marriage, abortion, fighting the health care reform, legislating morality and Christianity, and giving the rich tax breaks to give a fuck about the middle class. He's fought for the middle class, he wants the rich fuckers making over a million bucks (not sitting on over a million bucks, but actually having that as INCOME) to take the Bush tax cuts back. But OH MY GOD if we tax the rich, they're all going to take their money and LEAVE THE USA or some stupid shit like that, they will pointedly NOT HIRE people to mow their estates and groom their dogs and spit-shine their shoes.

posted by anonymouscoward on May 04, 2012 at 04:15:53 pm     #  

researcher posted at 11:58:47 AM on May 04, 2012:

While I'm certainly not pro-Obama (except when compared to the viable alternatives), why would you be upset that somebody posted a large list of his achievements after you asked for them?

I wish there was someone better, but there are no viable alternatives.

The selection of Republicans sucked, except for Huntsman. Perry was Bush-squared, Gingrich... just no, Santorum is a nucking futs fundie, RON PAUL might not be racist, but he's #1 with racists and anyone who understands economics 101 and 102 knows just how bad we'd be fucked going on a gold standard, and scratch any third-party candidates as throwing away your vote due to the entrenched two-party system and first-past-the-post voting.

Obama isn't terribly bad if you wanted Clinton without the blowjob stigmata. Clinton though signed a pile of stupid Internet-regulating legislation and also the NAFTA bullshit and the repeal of Glass-Steagal (both of which Republicans wanted) which helped get us into the fix we're in.

posted by anonymouscoward on May 04, 2012 at 04:28:29 pm     #  

anonymouscoward posted at 04:15:53 PM on May 04, 2012:
BusterBluth posted at 12:16:08 PM on May 04, 2012:

Those weren't achievements, at least certainly not notable ones.

Obama should get credit for ending DADT, and for having the balls to authorize the Osama raid. That's about it.

Unemployment is still at ~14.5%, so if he were truly about fighting for the middle class, he'd find a way to (help) create some fucking jobs. That's really all Americans want right now.

Get Congress to pass a jobs bill.

Oh wait. Won't happen because the Republicans are too busy opposing anything Obama likes. If Obama announced he was against mixing bleach and ammonia, especially in closed rooms, the shelves would be bare in Walmart and toxic clouds of chlorine gas would be wafting all over.

Republicans are too busy passing restrictions on marriage, abortion, fighting the health care reform, legislating morality and Christianity, and giving the rich tax breaks to give a fuck about the middle class. He's fought for the middle class, he wants the rich fuckers making over a million bucks (not sitting on over a million bucks, but actually having that as INCOME) to take the Bush tax cuts back. But OH MY GOD if we tax the rich, they're all going to take their money and LEAVE THE USA or some stupid shit like that, they will pointedly NOT HIRE people to mow their estates and groom their dogs and spit-shine their shoes.

"Get Congress to pass a jobs bill."

Allow me to fix it for you; Get the Senate Democrats to pass any one of the numerous jobs-related bills that have already passed the House.

posted by RBancroft on May 04, 2012 at 04:49:54 pm     #  

"Get Congress to pass a jobs bill."

A jobs bill hasn't been shown to create jobs that are sustainable. Correct policies do. Throwing money at infrastructure projects isn't the saving grace.

"Oh wait. Won't happen because the Republicans are too busy opposing anything Obama likes."

To be fair, both sides are doing this. I was promised a President who would reach out to BOTH parties and get them to compromise, but from the get-go the GOP was shut out of meetings. Don't act like that isn't true. I'm not happy about partisan politics, but it has gone both ways for a long time.

Republicans are too busy passing restrictions on marriage, abortion, fighting the health care reform, legislating morality and Christianity, and giving the rich tax breaks to give a fuck about the middle class.

I'll give his a "partially true." They certainly aren't doing their part.

"He's fought for the middle class,"

I disagree strongly with this. Every time he sides with the environmentalists' lobby, he chooses policies that directly harm the middle class. The EPA's War on Fossil Fuels is not helping the middle class because of the rising energy costs. We've lucked out that natural gas has done so well.

You'd also have to be mad to think that inflation isn't eating away at pay checks. The cost of living is rising, and the strength of the dollar is not good. This 0% interest bubble will burst and it will harm the middle class; they are the only one's who truly get harmed. We've traded a dotcom bubble for a housing bubble and now an interest bubble.

"he wants the rich fuckers"

And Dems try to tell me that they don't dislike the rich, they just want them to step their game up....smh

"making over a million bucks (not sitting on over a million bucks, but actually having that as INCOME) to take the Bush tax cuts back. But OH MY GOD if we tax the rich, they're all going to take their money and LEAVE THE USA or some stupid shit like that, they will pointedly NOT HIRE people to mow their estates and groom their dogs and spit-shine their shoes."

Well I agree with this and wouldn't mind seeing the capital gains tax raised. But, I think 1) it won't have the effect Obama wants, and 2) won't ever happen regardless of the GOP.

posted by BusterBluth on May 04, 2012 at 04:50:07 pm     #  

RBancroft posted at 04:49:54 PM on May 04, 2012:
anonymouscoward posted at 04:15:53 PM on May 04, 2012:
BusterBluth posted at 12:16:08 PM on May 04, 2012:

Those weren't achievements, at least certainly not notable ones.

Obama should get credit for ending DADT, and for having the balls to authorize the Osama raid. That's about it.

Unemployment is still at ~14.5%, so if he were truly about fighting for the middle class, he'd find a way to (help) create some fucking jobs. That's really all Americans want right now.

Get Congress to pass a jobs bill.

Oh wait. Won't happen because the Republicans are too busy opposing anything Obama likes. If Obama announced he was against mixing bleach and ammonia, especially in closed rooms, the shelves would be bare in Walmart and toxic clouds of chlorine gas would be wafting all over.

Republicans are too busy passing restrictions on marriage, abortion, fighting the health care reform, legislating morality and Christianity, and giving the rich tax breaks to give a fuck about the middle class. He's fought for the middle class, he wants the rich fuckers making over a million bucks (not sitting on over a million bucks, but actually having that as INCOME) to take the Bush tax cuts back. But OH MY GOD if we tax the rich, they're all going to take their money and LEAVE THE USA or some stupid shit like that, they will pointedly NOT HIRE people to mow their estates and groom their dogs and spit-shine their shoes.

"Get Congress to pass a jobs bill."

Allow me to fix it for you; Get the Senate Democrats to pass any one of the numerous jobs-related bills that have already passed the House.

WHAT JOBS-RELATED BILLS HAVE THE HOUSE REPUBLICANS PASSED, OH GREAT TEABAGGER? PLEASE CITE THE BILLS IN QUESTION FROM HOUSE.GOV

posted by anonymouscoward on May 04, 2012 at 06:04:32 pm     #  

anonymouscoward posted at 06:04:32 PM on May 04, 2012:
RBancroft posted at 04:49:54 PM on May 04, 2012:
anonymouscoward posted at 04:15:53 PM on May 04, 2012:
BusterBluth posted at 12:16:08 PM on May 04, 2012:

Those weren't achievements, at least certainly not notable ones.

Obama should get credit for ending DADT, and for having the balls to authorize the Osama raid. That's about it.

Unemployment is still at ~14.5%, so if he were truly about fighting for the middle class, he'd find a way to (help) create some fucking jobs. That's really all Americans want right now.

Get Congress to pass a jobs bill.

Oh wait. Won't happen because the Republicans are too busy opposing anything Obama likes. If Obama announced he was against mixing bleach and ammonia, especially in closed rooms, the shelves would be bare in Walmart and toxic clouds of chlorine gas would be wafting all over.

Republicans are too busy passing restrictions on marriage, abortion, fighting the health care reform, legislating morality and Christianity, and giving the rich tax breaks to give a fuck about the middle class. He's fought for the middle class, he wants the rich fuckers making over a million bucks (not sitting on over a million bucks, but actually having that as INCOME) to take the Bush tax cuts back. But OH MY GOD if we tax the rich, they're all going to take their money and LEAVE THE USA or some stupid shit like that, they will pointedly NOT HIRE people to mow their estates and groom their dogs and spit-shine their shoes.

"Get Congress to pass a jobs bill."

Allow me to fix it for you; Get the Senate Democrats to pass any one of the numerous jobs-related bills that have already passed the House.

WHAT JOBS-RELATED BILLS HAVE THE HOUSE REPUBLICANS PASSED, OH GREAT TEABAGGER? PLEASE CITE THE BILLS IN QUESTION FROM HOUSE.GOV

Actually let me correct myself.

Tax-cut bills ARE NOT JOBS RELATED.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/petercohan/2011/05/03/do-tax-cuts-create-jobs/

When FORBES says tax cuts don't create jobs, you know you're going to lose the argument.

So please find me bills the House has passed that create jobs without tax cuts.

I showed up with the Obama Achievements list, I expect just as much effort from you and your Teabaggy friends. If you can't list bills by number, then YOU FUCKING LOSE THE GAME.

posted by anonymouscoward on May 04, 2012 at 06:09:25 pm     #  

It's been over 24 hours and still no citation of "Republican jobs bills".

I showed up with the goods, now where are the Teabaggers? Anyone hear anything about a pile of missing chickens?

posted by anonymouscoward on May 05, 2012 at 11:36:43 pm     #   1 person liked this

You "showed up with the goods" because madjack made you dance.

I could honestly care less about what you expect to get or when you expect to get it. I prefer to spare the others reading this thread of another mind-numbing, soporific cut and paste job (most people probably had their fill of that with wolfman). And besides, I already provided a link to the majorityleader.gov site this past Wednesday...bill numbers and everything. So if you want it coward, go and get it yourself.

In the meantime, please seek some professional help for that fowl fetish.

posted by RBancroft on May 06, 2012 at 10:56:55 am     #  

RBancroft posted at 10:56:55 AM on May 06, 2012:

You "showed up with the goods" because madjack made you dance.

I could honestly care less about what you expect to get or when you expect to get it. I prefer to spare the others reading this thread of another mind-numbing, soporific cut and paste job (most people probably had their fill of that with wolfman). And besides, I already provided a link to the majorityleader.gov site this past Wednesday...bill numbers and everything. So if you want it coward, go and get it yourself.

In the meantime, please seek some professional help for that fowl fetish.

You mean the "deregulate and cut taxes" bills that are the hallmark of Republican "jobs creation"? It is to laugh. That's the TeaOP answer to everything: cut taxes and deregulate. Then yell about Obama running up the deficit, as if it makes sense to voluntarily take a pay cut while you're trying to pay the bills.

Voodoo economics. Apparently if we cut taxes to 0%, revenue will become infinity and the debt gets paid off. If we deregulate everything, businesses will load up semis full of cash and drive them to the Treasury, creating many jobs in the trucking and security guard industries.

posted by anonymouscoward on May 06, 2012 at 11:39:32 am     #   1 person liked this

You "showed up with the goods" because madjack made you dance.

If you really want to see him dance you have to wait until he kicks his shoes off, then you scatter a dozen or so red hot pennies on the floor - he dances with a certain artistic expression generally observed in stone age tribes during a full eclipse of the sun.

Dance AC! Dance you little monkey, or I'll send you back to the zoo!

Loser.

posted by madjack on May 07, 2012 at 05:42:50 pm     #   1 person liked this

madjack posted at 05:42:50 PM on May 07, 2012:

You "showed up with the goods" because madjack made you dance.

If you really want to see him dance you have to wait until he kicks his shoes off, then you scatter a dozen or so red hot pennies on the floor - he dances with a certain artistic expression generally observed in stone age tribes during a full eclipse of the sun.

Dance AC! Dance you little monkey, or I'll send you back to the zoo!

Loser.

Nah, the loser is you. You got epically pwned. You got served. Your only response is to call me a loser, rather than even try to debunk ANY of the Obama achievements. Doubt has been cast on every assertion you make from now on, assuming you have the stones to make one.

Have a nice day, butthead.

posted by anonymouscoward on May 08, 2012 at 12:19:15 am     #   2 people liked this

This thread should be retitled "My Generalizations VS Your Generalizations (now with ad hominems!)"

posted by BusterBluth on May 08, 2012 at 05:51:06 am     #  

BusterBluth posted at 05:51:06 AM on May 08, 2012:

This thread should be retitled "My Generalizations VS Your Generalizations (now with ad hominems!)"

How about "Lying, Deceptive Teabaggers and the Chickens They Love to F*ck"?

posted by anonymouscoward on May 08, 2012 at 09:25:24 am     #  

BusterBluth posted at 05:51:06 AM on May 08, 2012:

This thread should be retitled "My Generalizations VS Your Generalizations (now with ad hominems!)"

Generally speaking, AC is an idiot - but that hasn't slowed him down in the past and I'm glad to see it isn't slowing him down now.

posted by madjack on May 08, 2012 at 10:09:07 am     #  

Gotta love AC's fall back's: "You got owned," or "You got served." Makes me laugh. Come up with something different AC and try not insulting others. In return, maybe the insults thrown in your direction might cease as well. Maybe not. But, it seems as though AC likes having the last word, because for the love of God, he doesn't know when to shut up! AC, we know what side of the fence you prefer to sit on your high horse. We get it, ok? But, I guess your are just defending yourself on the playground and have to resort to childish remarks. I get that too. If I were you, I'd take my toys and go play in another sandbox since none of the kiddos at this one want to play with you.

***sitting down to prepare for more insults to be thrown at me at the courtesy of AC *** Let the lashings begin.

posted by wishiniwasfishin on May 08, 2012 at 11:16:17 am     #  

..and THIS is the reason WHY I do not talk "politics" with ANYONE except for those I WANT to punch in the mouth...

posted by BrianInFlorida on May 08, 2012 at 12:58:42 pm     #  

I used to just assume that AC is male, because of the language and general tone of AC's posts. Definitely gives the impresion of a male writer.

However, I've seen some comments on the Blade and some other local sites recently that use the same expressions and writing style as AC...but the author is female.

Not saying that I think AC is that person. But seeing a female use the same expressions and writing style at least made me consider that maybe I shouldn't automatically assume AC is male.

posted by mom2 on May 08, 2012 at 02:10:47 pm     #  

This thread amuses me. Madjack goes on and on about Obama not doing anything, refuses to look for himself, then when a lengthy list is copy pasted and if he goes to the actual site he can get factual references aka proof, he makes a couple pointless, childish, low-intelligence posts.

Yes, this is what people in this country who want it to succeed have to fight against. Not just low-information voters, but the low-intelligence voters who don't even have a leg to stand on when actual issues are mentioned but instead retreat and reload, as they are so fond of parroting.

If people in this country weren't so generally uneducated and possibly outright idiotic, things would be so much better. Both "sides" have large groups of angry people (OWS, TP) out in the streets protesting and speaking out but damned if they can realize they share so very much common ground but are blinded to it because of partisan bullshit.

Meanwhile, as the idiot proles fight amongst themselves or content themselves on the teat of reality television, the elites conspire and collude to continue doing what they do best.

Fucking all of us over.

posted by WillWorkForWork on May 08, 2012 at 02:25:24 pm     #   5 people liked this

madjack actually is a pretty intelligent fellow.

Whether or not you agree with his opinions (I don't always agree with him either), you can tell from most of his writings that he's an intelligent person.

I think he just likes to get under AC's skin. Don't let this one thread fool you into thinking madjack is "an idiot."

posted by mom2 on May 08, 2012 at 02:30:18 pm     #  

This thread functions as someone who "knows better" by all rights of age, experience and sound mind walking into an interview and purposefully letting loose a huge fart as they sit down.

posted by WillWorkForWork on May 08, 2012 at 02:41:36 pm     #  

WillWorkForWork posted at 02:25:24 PM on May 08, 2012:

This thread amuses me. Madjack goes on and on about Obama not doing anything, refuses to look for himself, then when a lengthy list is copy pasted and if he goes to the actual site he can get factual references aka proof, he makes a couple pointless, childish, low-intelligence posts.

Yes, this is what people in this country who want it to succeed have to fight against. Not just low-information voters, but the low-intelligence voters who don't even have a leg to stand on when actual issues are mentioned but instead retreat and reload, as they are so fond of parroting.

If people in this country weren't so generally uneducated and possibly outright idiotic, things would be so much better. Both "sides" have large groups of angry people (OWS, TP) out in the streets protesting and speaking out but damned if they can realize they share so very much common ground but are blinded to it because of partisan bullshit.

Meanwhile, as the idiot proles fight amongst themselves or content themselves on the teat of reality television, the elites conspire and collude to continue doing what they do best.

Fucking all of us over.

Be right back, running to the warehouse to get more LIKE to heap on this post.

posted by anonymouscoward on May 08, 2012 at 04:25:11 pm     #  

mom2 posted at 02:10:47 PM on May 08, 2012:

I used to just assume that AC is male, because of the language and general tone of AC's posts. Definitely gives the impresion of a male writer.

However, I've seen some comments on the Blade and some other local sites recently that use the same expressions and writing style as AC...but the author is female.

Not saying that I think AC is that person. But seeing a female use the same expressions and writing style at least made me consider that maybe I shouldn't automatically assume AC is male.

We are Anonymous. We are Legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect us.

posted by anonymouscoward on May 08, 2012 at 04:26:21 pm     #   1 person liked this

The Onion: In Bipartisan Spirit, Obama Makes Deal To Get Kicked In Balls

posted by oldhometown on May 08, 2012 at 04:30:33 pm     #  

mom2 posted at 02:10:47 PM on May 08, 2012:

I used to just assume that AC is male, because of the language and general tone of AC's posts. Definitely gives the impresion of a male writer.

However, I've seen some comments on the Blade and some other local sites recently that use the same expressions and writing style as AC...but the author is female.

Not saying that I think AC is that person. But seeing a female use the same expressions and writing style at least made me consider that maybe I shouldn't automatically assume AC is male.

You thought AC was a man (of the male gender)? Ah... not so much, I'm thinking. AC cross dresses pretty well, but I have very good reason to believe that He is actually a She.

Hey, not that there's anything wrong with that. I don't care what 'he' does in 'his' closet.

posted by madjack on May 08, 2012 at 04:40:21 pm     #  

mom2 posted at 02:30:18 PM on May 08, 2012:

madjack actually is a pretty intelligent fellow.

Whether or not you agree with his opinions (I don't always agree with him either), you can tell from most of his writings that he's an intelligent person.

I think he just likes to get under AC's skin. Don't let this one thread fool you into thinking madjack is "an idiot."

Thanks Mom2. Here's a tip of my fedora and a hoist of my afternoon bourbon glass - to your health, wealth and long life!

Bottom's up!

posted by madjack on May 08, 2012 at 04:42:16 pm     #   1 person liked this

madjack posted at 04:42:16 PM on May 08, 2012:
mom2 posted at 02:30:18 PM on May 08, 2012:

madjack actually is a pretty intelligent fellow.

Whether or not you agree with his opinions (I don't always agree with him either), you can tell from most of his writings that he's an intelligent person.

I think he just likes to get under AC's skin. Don't let this one thread fool you into thinking madjack is "an idiot."

Thanks Mom2. Here's a tip of my fedora and a hoist of my afternoon bourbon glass - to your health, wealth and long life!

Bottom's up!

Picture of maddie:

posted by anonymouscoward on May 08, 2012 at 05:08:31 pm     #  

madjack posted at 04:40:21 PM on May 08, 2012:
mom2 posted at 02:10:47 PM on May 08, 2012:

I used to just assume that AC is male, because of the language and general tone of AC's posts. Definitely gives the impresion of a male writer.

However, I've seen some comments on the Blade and some other local sites recently that use the same expressions and writing style as AC...but the author is female.

Not saying that I think AC is that person. But seeing a female use the same expressions and writing style at least made me consider that maybe I shouldn't automatically assume AC is male.

You thought AC was a man (of the male gender)? Ah... not so much, I'm thinking. AC cross dresses pretty well, but I have very good reason to believe that He is actually a She.

Hey, not that there's anything wrong with that. I don't care what 'he' does in 'his' closet.

I'm not the one in the closet. Per recent studies, it's you homophobes who are so far in the closet, you're renting space in Narnia. And don't forget, Clinton might have been involved in a sex scandal, but at least got a blowjob from a woman, instead of being like all the following Republicans:

Roy Ashburn, the conservative Republican California state senator, who was arrested in March of 2010 for drunk driving after reportedly leaving a gay bar, has acknowledged that he is gay. Ashburn, a divorced father of four, has repeatedly voted in opposition to gay rights, and in 2005 hosted a rally in favor of "traditional marriage." He has voted against expanding anti-discrimination laws to include sexual orientation, recognizing out-of-state gay marriages and establishing a day honoring gay lawmaker Harvey Milk.

Matthew Joseph Elliott, former aide to Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, was convicted of sexual exploitation of a child.27

Larry Craig, Republican Senator for Idaho, was arrested on July 11, 2007, by plainclothes police officer investigating complaints of lewd behavior in a Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport airport men's room. On August 8 in Hennepin County Municipal Court in Bloomington, Minnesota, Craig entered a guilty plea and paid a $500 fine.36. On September 1st, Craig subsequently announced his retirement from the Senate37. Five days later, Craig changed his mind, renounced his retirement and began a battle to have his guilty plea overturned.38 Craig supported the Federal Marriage Amendment, which barred extension of rights to same-sex couples; he voted for cloture on the amendment in both 2004 and 2006, and was a cosponsor in 2008. However, in late 2006 he appeared to endorse the right of individual states to create same-sex civil unions, but said he would vote "yes" on an Idaho constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriages when pressured to clarify his position by the anti-gay rights advocacy group Families for a Better Idaho. Craig voted against cloture in 2002, which would have extended the federal definition of hate crimes to cover sexual orientation.39

Ted Haggard, was fired as pastor of the New Life Church and resigned from his position as president of the National Association of Evangelicals in November 2006 after a former male prostitute alleged they had a cash-for-sex relationship. The man also said he saw Haggard use methamphetamine. Haggard confessed to undisclosed “sexual immorality” and said he bought meth but didn’t use it.64 After the scandal was publicized, Haggard entered three weeks of intensive counseling, overseen by four ministers. In Feb 2007, one of those ministers, Tim Ralph, said that Haggard "is completely heterosexual." As of early 2009, Haggard continues to receive counseling, and now he says that he is a “heterosexual with issues”. [65]

Mark Foley, Republican Representative, Florida Sixteenth Congressional District. Resigned after trying to solicit sex from male congressional pages via an instant messenger program. The conversations included his asking a sixteen-year-old "stud" whether his penis was erect and requesting that he take out and measure his penis. The cover-up involved Republican House Majority Leader John Boehner, Ohio Eighth Congressional District and Republican House Speaker Dennis Hastert, Illinois Fourteenth District.60

Paul Crouch Televangelist, Former President of Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN). Paid $425,000 in hush money in an attempt to cover up a gay affair.86

Jeff Gannon, partisan blogger with no journalism credentials and a fake name who got invited to Bush's Press conferences. Is also a pimp and a gay prostitute.91

posted by anonymouscoward on May 08, 2012 at 05:18:58 pm     #  

http://xkcd.com/386/

posted by anonymouscoward on May 08, 2012 at 05:29:21 pm     #  

Because his dad is (partially) responsible for the AMC Gremlin?

posted by SavageFred on May 08, 2012 at 06:00:09 pm     #  

I don't fault anyone for wanting to remain anonymous. Especially here on TT where there's an individual with a known history of harassing people in real life over internet posts and letters to the editor. Scary stuff.

Might not agree with you on every subject AC, but I am totally with you on that.

I have met 2 TT users, but there were specific reasons for meeting each of them. And they are individuals who respect the online privacy of others.

posted by mom2 on May 08, 2012 at 06:10:58 pm     #  

I agree about the anonymity mom2, although I think it would be lots of fun to meet a bunch of TT'ers and grab a few burgers or wings. The discussion would be fun and getting to know each other might actually lower the nastiness level of some of posts.

posted by shamrock44 on May 08, 2012 at 06:45:59 pm     #  

Are we owned? Have we been served....yet again?

posted by wishiniwasfishin on May 08, 2012 at 06:46:11 pm     #  

shamrock44 posted at 06:45:59 PM on May 08, 2012:

I agree about the anonymity mom2, although I think it would be lots of fun to meet a bunch of TT'ers and grab a few burgers or wings. The discussion would be fun and getting to know each other might actually lower the nastiness level of some of posts.

That's been done several times. I've met a few of the folks here at TT and enjoyed the meeting. There was some talk about going out to the gun range, but the idea kind of faded away.

Why doesn't some enterprising individual start a thread about a ToledoTalk informal late lunch and see who responds?

I can't start the thread as I've been drinking. How some ever that may be, I think we'd get a nice size crowd.

McCaskey?

posted by madjack on May 08, 2012 at 09:04:01 pm     #  

1.Obama needs to leave.
2.The Bank and GM bailouts were wrong.
3.Solidra loan was done with the entire administration knowing they were going under, but they were big donators to Obama.
4.Obama Care
5.Obama's a liar.
6.Obama spent 8 Billion to create jobs overseas.
7.I hate everything about the guy except when he smiles, then I can count the wrinkles on a horses ass
8.The only thing Obama does well is turning Oxygen into Carbondioxide

posted by AmericanPie on May 08, 2012 at 10:53:31 pm     #  

AmericanPie posted at 10:53:31 PM on May 08, 2012:

1.Obama needs to leave.
2.The Bank and GM bailouts were wrong.

3.Solidra loan was done with the entire administration knowing they were going under, but they were big donators to Obama.

4.Obama Care

5.Obama's a liar.

6.Obama spent 8 Billion to create jobs overseas.

7.I hate everything about the guy except when he smiles, then I can count the wrinkles on a horses ass

8.The only thing Obama does well is turning Oxygen into Carbondioxide

1) So does all of Congress, your point?
2) THANK GEORGE DUBYA BUSH FOR THE BAILOUTS, WHICH WERE DONE ON HIS WATCH, YOU DUMBFUCK. DON'T BLAME OBAMA FOR THE BUSH BAILOUTS.
3) Riiiiiiiiight, whatever.
4) Fine, repeal "Obamacare" (which is repackaged Romneycare) and enjoy your coverage being dropped the minute you have health problems that they will call "pre-existing".
5) So's everyone in the Republican Party, but more so.
6) Obama doesn't spend, Congress spends as they pass the budget and spending bills. And if you want to maintain that Obama spends, then Bush spent $2 TRILLION and counting on two bullshit wars to create jobs overseas and for select segments of the military-industrial complex and oil companies. So shut your pie hole.
7) Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering. I don't hate the TeaOP, hate's an attractive force like love, I just LOATHE the TeaOP, they're gross and repulsive just like a puke-covered dogshit pile is. The problem is, you Teabaggers are like retarded dogs who want to roll around in the puke-covered dogshit, then eat it.
8) Being good at doing nothing at all is better than being good at CONSTANTLY FUCKING UP, a hallmark of Bush & Co. Because, hey, they weren't even fucking smart enough to LOOK BUSY when Katrina hit... if you don't even understand public relations and image enough to LOOK like you're doing something USEFUL vs, oh lets see now, HAVE BIRTHDAY CAKE WITH MCCAIN IN ARIZONA AND PLAY GUITAR IN CALIFORNIA, after all the criticism about having sat there with a dumb look on your face on 9/11, then you shouldn't be in the fucking office. I know at least one of you Teabaggers can admit THAT, but the minute you do the rest of the Teabaggers will declare you to be a RINO and kick you out of the Tea Party. And hey, if you think that looks bad, it looks worse when the GOP can scramble back to DC ON A HOLIDAY WEEKEND to hold a vote (and Bush to sign the bill) to force Federal legislation (MORE INTRUSIVE GOVERNMENT, something that is supposed to be the ultimate anathema to Teabaggers) on ONE WOMAN (Terri Schiavo case), but can't be assed to fucking be in DC and look busy given 5 days notice that a major hurricane is targeted on New Orleans.

Feel free to go ahead and stick your fingers in your ears and go LA LA LA CAN'T HEAR YOU THE TEAPUBLICANS ARE MORE PERFECT THAN JESUS instead of making an intelligent reply to my criticism. It'll only swing the disgruntled moderate conservatives and independents to the Democrat/liberal side.

posted by anonymouscoward on May 08, 2012 at 11:39:23 pm     #  

AmericanPie....you've been owned and served by AC. Welcome to the club!

posted by wishiniwasfishin on May 08, 2012 at 11:53:09 pm     #  

oldhometown posted at 04:30:33 PM on May 08, 2012:

The Onion: In Bipartisan Spirit, Obama Makes Deal To Get Kicked In Balls

Obama and Boehner and Eric Cantor make a deal to go out and get lunch together.

They walk down the street together and pass a deli. Obama proposes soup and a salad, Michelle is trying to get him to watch what he eats. Boehner and Cantor say no.

They walk further down and pass a grille. Obama proposes getting a burger or chili dog. Boehner and Cantor say no.

They continue walking and pass a five-star steakhouse. Boehner and Cantor want to get steak, but Obama holds fast that he doesn't want a big expensive steak and two sides for lunch as he's on a diet and trying to save money. After ten minutes of Obama telling Boehner and Cantor that he's not going to pay for a big steak he's not going to eat all of and that it's silly for him to spend a large chunk of money for a big fat steak for it to go to waste, they move on.

They hit the end of the street and find a Lebanese place there. By this time they're all tired from having walked so far, and even though none of them really like Lebanese, they all decide to go in. They get menus and order some shawarma, hummus, etc. The lunch rush is now full on and the restaurant is very busy.

Instead of their waiter coming out with their order, the owner comes out. Obama asks him how business has been, the owner says it's been down. Obama asks him why he's running the orders out and he says he had to cut the wait staff due to the slow economy. Obama says he feels bad about that and he'd like to do something to ease the burden on small businesses and get them hiring again.

The owner says he's got a big payment coming up on his underwater mortgage and he's not sure he's gonna be able to make it, Obama says that's awful and he wants to do something about the banking system.

The owner says he's got a big medical bill from his wife going into premature labor, and despite everything the doctors could do they lost the baby, and on top of it insurance is refusing to pay claiming his wife had a pre-existing condition. Obama says it's really sad they lost the child but he hopes the poor baby is in a nice place now, and that it's horrible that health care costs so much and the "pre-existing condition" thing is pure BS and he's going to fix health care.

Boehner and Cantor meanwhile have stopped eating, while Obama finishes off his lunch. He looks at them and suggests they get doggie bags instead of tossing out their uneaten food, but they decline.

The owner comes back with the check and hands it to Obama. Obama pulls out exact change for his meal plus his third of the tip, puts it on the table, hands the check to Boehner, and excuses himself to go take a leak.

Obama comes out of the bathroom and finds exactly HALF of the total check and NO tip in cash on the table in addition to his share and a note from Boehner and Cantor that says "Thanks for lunch, had to run". Obama's understandably pissed off, but he's not a jerk, so he stacks up the dishes and cups and silverware all nice to make it easier to bus the table, then he pulls out cash to cover the rest of the check and a 30% tip with the hope the owner would put that towards hiring help and goes out the door. He then starts running up the street hoping to catch up to Boehner and Cantor and get the money he's owed out of them. When he doesn't see them, he whips out his cell phone and calls Boehner and Cantor. He gets voicemail and leaves each of them a message demanding they pay up, and that before he ever goes out to dinner with them again they're going to have to agree in writing to pay for their entire meal and share of the tip.

By the time Obama makes it back into the Oval Office, Boehner and Cantor are on the floor of the House pushing a bill to cut taxes on people making over a million dollars a year, while Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, WorldNetDaily, Breitbart, etc. push the following talking points:

OBAMA UNABLE TO COMPROMISE
FIRST LADY MANDATES HEALTHY MEALS
OBAMA ANTI-AMERICAN? DOESN'T EAT BURGERS OR CHILI DOGS
OBAMA REFUSES TO SUPPORT AMERICAN RANCHERS
OBAMA AN ELITIST? NORMAL FOOD NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR HIM
OBAMA A SECRET MUSLIM? CAUGHT EATING MIDDLE-EASTERN FOOD
OBAMA A TERRORIST SYMPATHIZER?
OBAMA SUPPORTS ARAB BUSINESSMEN
OBAMA SYMPATHETIC TO LATE-TERM ABORTION
OBAMACARE TO COVER ABORTION
OBAMA SUPPORTS WELFARE
OBAMA REDISTRIBUTES WEALTH TO POOR
OBAMA HAS NO JOBS PLAN
OBAMA WASTES MONEY ON HANDOUTS
OBAMA SUPPORTS GOVERNMENT WASTE
OBAMA THREATENS REPUBLICANS
OBAMA DEMANDS RICH PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE
OBAMA ENACTS NEW GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS ON MEALS
OBAMA A DO-NOTHING PRESIDENT
OBAMA MAY NOT HAVE WASHED HANDS AFTER USING RESTROOM

posted by anonymouscoward on May 09, 2012 at 01:24:50 am     #   1 person liked this

madjack posted at 09:04:01 PM on May 08, 2012:
shamrock44 posted at 06:45:59 PM on May 08, 2012:

I agree about the anonymity mom2, although I think it would be lots of fun to meet a bunch of TT'ers and grab a few burgers or wings. The discussion would be fun and getting to know each other might actually lower the nastiness level of some of posts.

That's been done several times. I've met a few of the folks here at TT and enjoyed the meeting. There was some talk about going out to the gun range, but the idea kind of faded away.

Why doesn't some enterprising individual start a thread about a ToledoTalk informal late lunch and see who responds?

I can't start the thread as I've been drinking. How some ever that may be, I think we'd get a nice size crowd.

McCaskey?

Anonymity is a defender of the free exchange of ideas and should be protected. The ability to discuss opinions and ideals without fear of personal repercussion is a key tenant of Liberty.

posted by dbw8906 on May 09, 2012 at 06:25:23 am     #  

Having been one who was personally harassed by that goof ball Coon reacting to my "Letters to the Editor" I certainly see the appeal of anonymity. He's one nasty dude. However, putting your name on your statements brings accountability. We've all read some pretty ugly stuff posted here. Stuff I doubt would have been posted if their identity was public knowledge.

posted by holland on May 09, 2012 at 07:33:19 am     #  

Quotes from AC just in the last half of this thread:

"I don't hate the TeaOP..."

"This is why I hate you Teabaggers..."

If that doesn't prove his mental instability, I don't know what does.

posted by dell_diva on May 09, 2012 at 08:56:14 am     #  

dell_diva posted at 08:56:14 AM on May 09, 2012:

Quotes from AC just in the last half of this thread:

"I don't hate the TeaOP..."

"This is why I hate you Teabaggers..."

If that doesn't prove his mental instability, I don't know what does.

I doubt AC is actually mentally unstable. AC clearly likes to compose and publish his inflammatory, fantasy based opinions if he can get a reaction of some kind. Likely he's bored and enjoys the attention.

posted by madjack on May 09, 2012 at 09:40:57 am     #  

holland posted at 07:33:19 AM on May 09, 2012:

Having been one who was personally harassed by that goof ball Coon reacting to my "Letters to the Editor" I certainly see the appeal of anonymity. He's one nasty dude. However, putting your name on your statements brings accountability. We've all read some pretty ugly stuff posted here. Stuff I doubt would have been posted if their identity was public knowledge.

I heard about your unfortunate contact with Coon. That boy is lucky to be out of jail.

As outrageous and extreme as some of the opinions are here, I would never suggest anyone use their real name. HistoryMike was revealed somehow and received a few credible threats for his trouble.

The worst case I've ever heard of is Kim du Toit, author of The Pussification Of The Western Male and other contentious essays. Kim's blog had quite a following, but it didn't help him much in the end. Kim made his living (and it was once a good living) as a business consultant. Once he started blogging a prospective client would search for his name on the Internet and that would be the end of the contract.

posted by madjack on May 09, 2012 at 09:54:44 am     #  

See where this goes? A challenge gets thrown down, I take it up and show up with the big list of Obama Achievements, and the Teabaggers keep refusing to play fair. Instead of even making a token attempt to back their assertions regarding Obama up, it's all ad hominem attacks, repeated attacks from MULTIPLE people now claiming I'm insane.

You guys all have the same little playbook. Any time anyone stands up to your playground bullying, your repeated attempts to call anyone to the left of George Dubya Bush a doodie-head poo-face pinko liberal, you turn the name calling upon them. It's the same thing from all of you: make false assertions, be confronted with evidence you're wrong, go into denial, be ridiculed for your continual denial, and then lash out at the people who catch your ridiculous, irrational, illogical behavior. The fact is that it happens consistently here with multiple people behaving in exactly the same way, almost as if you are all... programmed, to reflexively do this without any sort of independent thought or behavior.

I am tired of how the political debate is being framed by people like this. A vocal minority of extremists say outlandish untruths ("where's Obama's birth certificate?" etc.) and then, upon evidence being presented to counter their so-called arguments, attack the person presenting said evidence. Then, having realized that the aforementioned vocal minority has no intention of playing fair, the people who counter the bullshit and lies give up, leaving the minority to keep on doing what they're doing. Since the argument goes uncontested, certain segments of the population buy into it as being true (as a subset of the "Big Lie" theory - if something completely absurd is repeated loudly enough, enough times, and nobody challenges it, then it will be accepted as being true).

It's wrong, and I'm not standing for it. Therefore, according to the people who are doing it, I must be insane to challenge their assertions, and of course if they repeat that assertion loudly enough, enough times, everyone else will buy it. And it doesn't hurt to call me a commie pinko socialist America-hating cross-dressing homosexual Muslim liberal, so they can get maximum value by slamming all the other groups they don't like.

See how this works now?

Meanwhile, Teabaggy nuts with a history of violence like Mike da Loon can repeatedly pop up with multiple sock-puppet/alternate accounts, dig up personal information on people, and make multiple harassing phone calls and emails and do other stalker-y things, all while spouting the same flavor of B.S., and you never ever EVER see them condemn their behavior, call them out on it, tell them "you're not helping", or anything like that. You might see a little token comment or two, but never anything like an acknowledgment or "this nutcase does not represent the rest of us, we can actually have an intelligent debate".

If the price I pay to keep the political discourse from being a one-sided, not-backed-by-facts-and-reasoning slander from the right-wing extremists in America is being called insane, so be it. I'll do it my way and have fun making fun of them while I do it.

posted by anonymouscoward on May 09, 2012 at 10:23:45 am     #   1 person liked this

Meanwhile, Teabaggy nuts with a history of violence like Mike da Loon can repeatedly pop up with multiple sock-puppet/alternate accounts, dig up personal information on people, and make multiple harassing phone calls and emails and do other stalker-y things, all while spouting the same flavor of B.S., and you never ever EVER see them condemn their behavior

I avoid commenting on or calling out any of Coon's posts, because I don't want to become his next target. And there's always the hope that if we all ignore him, he'll get bored and go away.

I guess I'm not exactly the person that you're calling out here, because I'm relatively moderate and not a Tea Partier.

However, just because people don't call him out on his behavior doesn't mean they agree with him. Sometimes it's best not to feed the trolls. Especially not the crazy unstable ones like him.

posted by mom2 on May 09, 2012 at 11:23:30 am     #  

"Sometimes it's best not to feed the trolls. Especially not the crazy unstable ones like him."

But yet we still continue to feed AC...

posted by dell_diva on May 09, 2012 at 12:08:29 pm     #  

Who is is Coon or DeLoon??

I have been posting here a little while and don't remember anything involving either of those names?

posted by shamrock44 on May 09, 2012 at 01:47:06 pm     #  

shamrock, historymike recently gave a pretty good summary of that individual's backstory here:

http://toledotalk.com/cgi-bin/tt.pl/article/113809#114194

posted by mom2 on May 09, 2012 at 02:17:22 pm     #  

Here's another article about a UT trustee who had to take out a protection order against him:

http://www.toledoblade.com/local/2008/06/25/Protection-order-set-for-UT-trustee-Hussain-had-received-hate-e-mail-missives.html

posted by mom2 on May 09, 2012 at 02:27:16 pm     #  

It’s strange how most of his posts have been deleted from Toledo Talks and Swampbubbles. Is this something the admins are doing to remove the posts of deranged psychopath or is it something he’s doing to cover his trail. I wish jr and Chris would just leave his posts; this guy needs a bigger paper trail.

posted by SensorG on May 09, 2012 at 02:41:20 pm     #  

Also he goes by ErieEagle now as well.

ErieEagle from FreePress

posted by SensorG on May 09, 2012 at 02:45:51 pm     #  

I would imagine that just because a post disappears from public view on a board doesn't necessarily mean it has disappeared completely on the server.

posted by oldhometown on May 09, 2012 at 02:47:43 pm     #  

True, but when someone Googles "Mike Coon Toledo" I want all is crazy/insane/bigoted comments to show up; a neon lighted trail to "crazy" if you will. It might also help in possible future suits against the guy but stalking victims.

posted by SensorG on May 09, 2012 at 03:14:23 pm     #   1 person liked this

dell_diva posted at 12:08:29 PM on May 09, 2012:

"Sometimes it's best not to feed the trolls. Especially not the crazy unstable ones like him."

But yet we still continue to feed AC...

OM NOM NOM

posted by anonymouscoward on May 09, 2012 at 04:37:24 pm     #  

If the price I pay to keep the political discourse from being a one-sided, not-backed-by-facts-and-reasoning slander from the right-wing extremists in America is being called insane, so be it.

Every movement needs a resident martyr. Far be it from me to keep a Moonbat from his appointed destiny.

Tell you what, AC. If you'll try being smarter, I'll try to stop confusing your issues with logic and facts. I may fail, but I'll try. Meantime I can build you a cross out of two by fours.

posted by madjack on May 10, 2012 at 09:55:57 am     #  

madjack posted at 09:55:57 AM on May 10, 2012:

If the price I pay to keep the political discourse from being a one-sided, not-backed-by-facts-and-reasoning slander from the right-wing extremists in America is being called insane, so be it.

Every movement needs a resident martyr. Far be it from me to keep a Moonbat from his appointed destiny.

Tell you what, AC. If you'll try being smarter, I'll try to stop confusing your issues with logic and facts. I may fail, but I'll try. Meantime I can build you a cross out of two by fours.

Moonbat is the dumbest name ever, but that fits right in with the conservatives. Also, thanks for using it to prove your partisanship, since the Teabagger crowd loves to throw that term around, particularly on FreeRepublic.

Oh, and got any actual rebuttal to the list of Obama achievements yet? The fact that you cannot even counter one of them goes far in showing who is the troll who won't play fair and actually debate here. Thanks for being a shining example of conservative hypocrisy!

posted by anonymouscoward on May 10, 2012 at 10:09:46 am     #  

Ohhhhh! So, is that what you were trying to accomplish? A debate? Sorry, I thought I was being force fed a bunch of bullshit. gag cough

posted by wishiniwasfishin on May 10, 2012 at 01:45:16 pm     #  

Dumb and ignorant, the Moonbats are found to the left of liberal Democrats and other self-destructive, blame shifting self-victimizers who exhibit a laudable tendency to congregate in like minded groups but who display a distressing affection for not terribly benevolent dictatorships masquerading as democratic special interest groups. They have a sort of sadomasochistic relationship with the government (as they believe the government should be) in the government's promise of the Moonbat's governing others by reeducation while simultaneously being firmly governed themselves - thus absolving the Moonbats of any personal responsibility so long as the Moonbats continue to color within the lines. Moonbat beliefs rely on emotion tightly coupled to the gospel of television news commentators, popular figures in entertainment and the Internet.

Right Wingnuts (or Wingnuts) are found to the right of the conservative Republicans and other sanctimonious, finger pointing name callers who exhibit a meritorious talent for individual achievement and leadership while quietly developing and expanding the institutions that they continue to rail against. By their actions it is deduced that Wingnuts have a manipulative, controlling relationship with the government in the lusting after power, the ecstasy of political conquest and victory along with the somewhat clandestine enjoyment of crushing their perceived enemy underfoot, grinding the perceived enemy into the pavement and listening silently to the lamentations of the enemy's women. The Wingnuts abhor such things as empathy and charity while embracing the appearance of empathy, charity and kindheartedness. Wingnuts believe in personal superiority, the right of might and the manifest destiny of their own personal greatness.

posted by madjack on May 10, 2012 at 05:48:07 pm     #  

wishiniwasfishin posted at 01:45:16 PM on May 10, 2012:

Ohhhhh! So, is that what you were trying to accomplish? A debate? Sorry, I thought I was being force fed a bunch of bullshit. gag cough

True, but at least it's grade A, top quality bullshit.

posted by madjack on May 10, 2012 at 05:49:14 pm     #  

Well said on both MJ. We find them on both sides. They ruin the debate for rational thought.

I've had my debates with many liberals from here and SB. Those who were rational have both changed my mind on some issues and solidified me more both by making me have to argue my points and provide proof and citations.

posted by MikeyA on May 10, 2012 at 07:31:12 pm     #  

Oh btw Obama budget defeated 99-0 in Senate.

What where was the evil Republican filibuster? Where is the Dem support? Even they know Barry is a man child and his team has zero economic ability.

If it's such a good budget that it would begin to level off debt as a percentage of the economy by 2022 and only add $6.4 trillion in new deficits over that time.

With an additional 6.4 trillion we will never make it to 2022, Paul Krugman would be proud.

posted by dbw8906 on May 17, 2012 at 06:36:47 am     #  

After reading some of these comments about Obama... I find really hard to believe anyone with a mind would support romney... We have been moving forward, and if romney should get in we WILL GO BACK IN THE HOLE where BUSH boy buried us for stinking 8 years... HEY SENIORS YOU WANT YOUR MEDICAR, S.S. WOMEN DO YOU WANT EQUAL RIGHTS... AND DO YOU WANT ROMNEY AND HIS CRONIES MAKING DECISIONS ABOUT YOUR BODY... JOB EQUAL PAY...hmm he is going to provide jobs, oh please get a life... BAIN COMPANY READ ABOUT WHAT HE IS VERY CAPABLE OF DOING...AWW AND MRS ROMNEY SERVING PANCAKES AT A SMALL TOWN IN OHIO... THAT WAS LAUGHABLE.... OH DO ANY ONE OF YOU SUPPORTERS HAVE AN ELEVATOR IN YOUR GARAGE? how did he make that money??? He has already said he doesn't like the poor, the middle class, and is for the rich people... OMG talk about being stupid...and supporting a man with the above resume'

posted by italiajojo05 on Jun 27, 2012 at 02:01:09 pm     #  

Obama's Resume'
He is commited to American Women and their families.
Equal Pay for Equal work
Improving women's health
protectiong women's right to choose.
ending insurance company abuses..keeping premiums low: expanding access to care: closing the medicare prescriptions drug "Donut Hole" Putting Americans back to work and rebuilding a fair economy for the MIDDLE CLASS..SAVED THE AUTO INDUSTRY FROM COLLAPSE AND ROMNEY TRIED TO GTAKE THAT CREDIT AWAY AND MAKING PEOPLE THINK HE VOTED FOR IT...

posted by italiajojo05 on Jun 27, 2012 at 02:07:50 pm     #  

Want to know what Bush did? Chris Dodd and Barney Franks, Fanny Mae, Freddie Mac. Those are the answers as to why theis economy took a dump.

posted by Linecrosser on Jun 27, 2012 at 02:59:25 pm     #  

The day the democrats took over was not January 22nd 2009, it was actually January 3rd 2007 the day the Democrats took over the House of Representatives and the Senate, at the very start of the 110th Congress.

The Democrat Party controlled a majority in both chambers for the first time since the end of the 103rd Congress in 1995.

For those who are listening to the liberals propagating the fallacy that everything is "Bush's Fault", think about this:

January 3rd, 2007 was the day the Democrats took over the Senate and the Congress. At the time:

The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77

The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5%

The Unemployment rate was 4.6%

George Bush's Economic policies SET A RECORD of 52 STRAIGHT MONTHS of JOB GROWTH

Remember the day...

January 3rd, 2007 was the day that Barney Frank took over the House Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd took over the Senate Banking Committee.

The economic meltdown that happened 15 months later was in what part of the economy?

BANKING AND FINANCIAL SERVICES!

Unemployment... to this CRISIS by (among MANY other things) dumping 5-6 TRILLION Dollars of toxic loans on the economy from YOUR Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac FIASCOES!

Bush asked Congress 17 TIMES to stop Fannie & Freddie - starting in 2001 because it was financially risky for the US economy.

And who took the THIRD highest pay-off from Fannie Mae AND Freddie Mac? OBAMA

And who fought against reform of Fannie and Freddie?

OBAMA and the Democrat Congress

So when someone tries to blame Bush...

REMEMBER JANUARY 3rd, 2007.... THE DAY THE DEMOCRATS TOOK OVER!"

Furthermore, the Democrats controlled the budget process for 2008 & 2009 as well as 2010 &2011.

In that first year, they had to contend with George Bush, which caused them to compromise on spending, when Bush somewhat belatedly got tough on spending increases.

For 2009 though, Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid bypassed George Bush entirely, passing continuing resolutions to keep government running until Barack Obama could take office. At that time, they passed a massive omnibus spending bill to complete the 2009 budgets.

And where was Barack Obama during this time? He was a member of that very Congress that passed all of these massive spending bills, and he signed the omnibus bill as President to complete 2009.

If the Democrats inherited any deficit, it was the 2007 deficit, the last of the Republican budgets. That deficit was the lowest in five years, and the fourth straight decline in deficit spending. After that, Democrats in Congress took control of spending, and that includes Barack Obama, who voted for the budgets.

If Obama inherited anything, he inherited it from himself. In a nutshell, what Obama is saying is I inherited a deficit that I voted for and then I voted to expand that deficit four-fold since January 20th.

posted by Linecrosser on Jun 27, 2012 at 03:00:26 pm     #  

In a nutshell, what Obama is saying is I inherited a deficit that I voted for and then I voted to expand that deficit four-fold since January 20th.

If you don't stop confusing people with facts, someone is going to have a nervous break up or something.

That's actually one of the better summaries I've read, and I've read a few that were purported to be accurate and well-written. Nice job.

posted by madjack on Jun 27, 2012 at 04:13:13 pm     #  

I wish I had another choice to vote for in this election but I do not. I will vote for Obama because he is not Romney.

posted by jackie on Jun 27, 2012 at 05:09:46 pm     #  

continue resume' for Obama
Creating an economy built to last...Ending the ar in Iraq... Got Bin Laden... Hmmm I wonder why bush boy couldn't... Was it because he called off the hunt for a personal reason.. Laden and bush families were close...and invested together... That story will be told Isn't that amazing... Talk about corruption...

posted by italiajojo05 on Jun 27, 2012 at 05:18:20 pm     #  

Wow Jackie r u living the united states... Were u living here when the same bush jr boy was president.. OMG some people still are brain dead

posted by italiajojo05 on Jun 27, 2012 at 05:24:23 pm     #  

italiajojo05

I am not brain dead, a little dementia maybe, and I did not vote for Pres. Bush. But I did vote for Ross Perot in 1994.

Am I worse off than 4 years ago? No just treading water.

posted by jackie on Jun 27, 2012 at 06:27:50 pm     #  

"Am I worse off than 4 years ago? No just treading water."

Treading water is probably an accurate analogy, but nonetheless I found this graphic somewhat interesting.

posted by RBancroft on Jun 27, 2012 at 11:27:53 pm     #  

It's all Bush's fault.

posted by Linecrosser on Jun 28, 2012 at 01:46:50 am     #  

Well Individual mandate upheld - another reason to vote Romney
Next we will get everyone must buy an American made car or broccoli.

posted by Linecrosser on Jun 28, 2012 at 10:21:35 am     #  

As senior citizens what hurts us the most was the loss of interest income due to almost zero interest rate. But we tightened the belt and moved on.

DO have a question though. What is Romney going to do to overturn a Supreme Court decision? It takes an amendment to the constitution to do that if I remember what I was taught on government class decades ago.

posted by jackie on Jun 28, 2012 at 12:10:27 pm     #  

The Court decision can stand. Repeal the law, do not fund it, there are a few ways to render it null. If you want to be like Barry, just don't enforce it.

posted by WhatThe on Jun 28, 2012 at 01:06:36 pm     #  

Jackie wait till it sucks the money out of the Medicaid fund.

posted by Linecrosser on Jun 28, 2012 at 01:09:53 pm     #  

I'm not against ACA but I do have some reservations about parts of the act.

When uninsured people use a hospital emergency room for health care I am one of millions paying for that care through my insurance premiums. As our health care for the most part is employer based many have lost coverage due to job loss.

Repealing the law I do not think will stop the law. Not funding it would. It still takes an amendment to the constitution to overrule a Supreme Court decision.

You could take millions, if not billions, out of Medicare and Medicaid, just through fraud, waste and abuse. I'm all for that enforcement.

posted by jackie on Jun 28, 2012 at 01:52:06 pm     #  

It still takes an amendment to the constitution to overrule a Supreme Court decision.

???

The Supreme Court stated that the ACA is not unconstitutional.

It doesn't mean that the law can't be overturned or repealed. Just that it is not unconstitutional the way it is currently written.

No amendment would be necessary.

posted by mom2 on Jun 28, 2012 at 02:56:07 pm     #  

(Saying that a law does not violate the Constitution is not the same thing as making the law part of the Constitution.)

posted by mom2 on Jun 28, 2012 at 03:00:25 pm     #  

"When the Supreme Court rules on a constitutional issue, that judgment is virtually final; its decisions can be altered only by the rarely used procedure of constitutional amendment or by a new ruling of the Court. However, when the Court interprets a statute, new legislative action can be taken." From front page of the Supreme Court web page.

posted by jackie on Jun 28, 2012 at 03:42:29 pm     #  

when the Court interprets a statute, new legislative action can be taken

That's essentially what I just said?

posted by mom2 on Jun 28, 2012 at 03:50:17 pm     #  

A constitutional issue is: "An issue whose resolution requires the interpretation of a constitution rather than that of a statute."

(The Supreme Court was not interpreting the Constitution today. They made a ruling about a statute.)

posted by mom2 on Jun 28, 2012 at 03:54:22 pm     #  

I am probably not phrasing everything in the technically correct way...that's what I get for rushing. But the gist of what I was trying to say is the same (that today's ruling doesn't mean that the law couldn't be repealed or changed in the future without a Constitutional amendment).

posted by mom2 on Jun 28, 2012 at 04:05:04 pm     #  

Just don't forget the INDIVIDUAL MANDATE:

Introduced by the ultra-conservative Heritage Foundation

Promoted by Newt Gingrich as the conservative alternative to Hillery-care in '93

Enthusiastically passed into law in Massachusetts by republican governor, Mitt Romney.

Upheld by the conservative leaning Supreme Court.

This is YOUR "Socialism". YOUR medicine. At least admit it.

posted by hank on Jun 28, 2012 at 05:18:38 pm     #  

Linecrosser posted at 03:00:26 PM on Jun 27, 2012:

The day the democrats took over was not January 22nd 2009, it was actually January 3rd 2007 the day the Democrats took over the House of Representatives and the Senate, at the very start of the 110th Congress.

The Democrat Party controlled a majority in both chambers for the first time since the end of the 103rd Congress in 1995.

For those who are listening to the liberals propagating the fallacy that everything is "Bush's Fault", think about this:

January 3rd, 2007 was the day the Democrats took over the Senate and the Congress. At the time:

The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77

The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5%

The Unemployment rate was 4.6%

George Bush's Economic policies SET A RECORD of 52 STRAIGHT MONTHS of JOB GROWTH

Remember the day...

January 3rd, 2007 was the day that Barney Frank took over the House Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd took over the Senate Banking Committee.

The economic meltdown that happened 15 months later was in what part of the economy?

BANKING AND FINANCIAL SERVICES!

Unemployment... to this CRISIS by (among MANY other things) dumping 5-6 TRILLION Dollars of toxic loans on the economy from YOUR Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac FIASCOES!

Bush asked Congress 17 TIMES to stop Fannie & Freddie - starting in 2001 because it was financially risky for the US economy.

And who took the THIRD highest pay-off from Fannie Mae AND Freddie Mac? OBAMA

And who fought against reform of Fannie and Freddie?

OBAMA and the Democrat Congress

So when someone tries to blame Bush...

REMEMBER JANUARY 3rd, 2007.... THE DAY THE DEMOCRATS TOOK OVER!"

Furthermore, the Democrats controlled the budget process for 2008 & 2009 as well as 2010 &2011.

In that first year, they had to contend with George Bush, which caused them to compromise on spending, when Bush somewhat belatedly got tough on spending increases.

For 2009 though, Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid bypassed George Bush entirely, passing continuing resolutions to keep government running until Barack Obama could take office. At that time, they passed a massive omnibus spending bill to complete the 2009 budgets.

And where was Barack Obama during this time? He was a member of that very Congress that passed all of these massive spending bills, and he signed the omnibus bill as President to complete 2009.

If the Democrats inherited any deficit, it was the 2007 deficit, the last of the Republican budgets. That deficit was the lowest in five years, and the fourth straight decline in deficit spending. After that, Democrats in Congress took control of spending, and that includes Barack Obama, who voted for the budgets.

If Obama inherited anything, he inherited it from himself. In a nutshell, what Obama is saying is I inherited a deficit that I voted for and then I voted to expand that deficit four-fold since January 20th.

Fuck you, Lie-ny. Fuck you and your line of shit with a rusty chainsaw dipped in hot sauce and broken glass.

I don't care what side's dick you suck, but the truth is that the effects ALWAYS lag behind the policies that make them.

Glass-Steagal was repealed by a fuck-ton of Republicans in Congress under Clinton, so it's obviously Clinton's fault and not the GOP that repealed the regulation that kept the S&Ls, investment banks, insurers, and all that separate entities instead of merging to become mega-too-big-to-fail-banks, right?

You're going to everything on Obama and the Dems because you're too fucking stupid to realize you're being played by a pile of rich people who want you to stay stupid and scared. They want you to be scared of the big black man in the White House and of the evil Libs who want to send you in front of DEATH PANELS and make you gay marry non-white, non-Protestants.

What fucking part of the simple reality of politics and marketing don't you get? "If our team isn't in power and the economy sucks, we blame it on the current guy even if it was our fault, and if it rocks, we take all the credit for it whether or not we actually had anything to do with it." THAT IS HOW IT WORKS, YOU MORON.

Why don't you sit the fuck down and think for a minute on why rich people like the Kochs and Sheldon Adelson are throwing TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS to get Republicans elected? Here's a hint: IT IS NOT TO BENEFIT YOU AND ME. IT IS TO BENEFIT THEM. IF you want to make the rich richer, then by all means, gobble that Koch and fuck that chicken. I for one am fucking tired of working twice as hard for the same pay (which isn't keeping pace with inflation). Go Google productivity vs. wage... the money isn't going to the common people, it's going to the rich.

Both fucking sides fucking suck but you're just going to continue to grovel before the JOB CREATORS (rich people) on the right, with the hope that the next time you get "trickled-down" on, you will get more than a "golden shower". And speaking of Saint Reagan, I seem to recall him having a problem with a trillion-dollar deficit... which he tried to tax-cut away (and later had to raise taxes). After oh-so-long y'all started bitching about people being Republicans-In-Name-Only because they weren't socially conservative enough for you, and then that was co-opted to be fiscally conservative too, and then THAT was co-opted to be the original Tea Party let-the-banks-and-the-idiots-that-paid-too-much-for-their-homes-fail movement, which was co-opted by Fox News to drive people to vote for a pile of Republicans who did the same stuff the old Republicans did, except blame it all on "liberals" and make everyone afraid of "liberal" policy. Hell, even the Tea Party co-founder says so! But that's a liberal media conspiracy because Rupert Murdoch (a known liar and crook who is in Deep Shit with the UK Parliament for wiretapping phones of prominent persons and enemies (which is something only Republicans are allowed to do and it's not illegal if you're a Republican president doing it -- HEY NIXON!) tells you so on Fox News Channel -- where the most popular, highest-rated programs are OPINION, NOT NEWS.

posted by anonymouscoward on Jun 28, 2012 at 06:12:48 pm     #  

madjack posted at 04:13:13 PM on Jun 27, 2012:

In a nutshell, what Obama is saying is I inherited a deficit that I voted for and then I voted to expand that deficit four-fold since January 20th.

If you don't stop confusing people with facts, someone is going to have a nervous break up or something.

That's actually one of the better summaries I've read, and I've read a few that were purported to be accurate and well-written. Nice job.

You have some balls coming back to this thread after how badly you were owned above.

posted by anonymouscoward on Jun 28, 2012 at 06:17:54 pm     #  

Owned? you mean cussed at, called names? Yeah whatever, i listen as well as you do.

posted by Linecrosser on Jun 28, 2012 at 07:44:49 pm     #  

blah blah bnlah kcoch, blach kock, get a life, your a mirror image of a right wing nuut.

posted by Linecrosser on Jun 28, 2012 at 07:45:36 pm     #  

mom2

I also have trouble at times putting into words what I mean to say. Perhaps we will just have to agree to disagree on the remedy (?) for this law.

posted by jackie on Jun 28, 2012 at 08:38:00 pm     #  

You know, a dozen or so months back some perspicacious soul observed that the next election would be (The Ayatollah) Obama's to lose. I think he's right.

Consider the graphic that RBancroft posted. I don't know if it's accurate or not, but I tend to think it is. At least the gas prices and unemployment numbers look accurate to me.

Consider the accuracy of Linecrosser's statement, If Obama inherited anything, he inherited it from himself. The Ayatollah Obama did vote on budget and spending issues, and he voted to spend more than the U.S. had.

Then there's the healthcare mess. ObamaCare is a long way from the most popular law ever conceived by Moonbats and signed into law by the Moonbat Supreme. All a challenger needs to do is promise to undo the misery by repealing the law, thus preventing a global economic crises of Biblical proportions, and his popularity is automatically up ten points. Maybe more.

The scandal of Attorney General Eric Holder who is being held in contempt by the House, and who is protected by the Ayatollah Obama. The failure of AG Holder to prosecute the New Black Panthers for voter intimidation, and the gun running scandal that might have a source in the Oval Office.

Obama's failure to close Gitmo, failure to lead a repeal of the Patriot Act, failure to restore our civil rights, failure to return jobs to the United States. Failure to regulate the banking and insurance industries.

Obama's presidency has been a failure in ways too numerous to list here.

Anything is better than Obama (credit to Deere1).

posted by madjack on Jun 28, 2012 at 11:16:21 pm     #  

The most transparent presidency we have ever had, and Pelosi drained the swamp of the house.

posted by Linecrosser on Jun 28, 2012 at 11:21:42 pm     #  

Are we certain the Mormon Obama is better than the Original Obama?

This thread is the reason ToledoTalk is not more popular. The maturity level is at an all-time low around here. People here post things like "The Ayatollah" and "Moonbats" seriously.

posted by researcher on Jun 29, 2012 at 09:08:59 am     #   1 person liked this

Mormon Obama or Secret-Muslim Obama. Tough call. Do you have anything else, maybe a cool ranch, or sour cream and onion Obama?

posted by hank on Jun 29, 2012 at 09:38:23 am     #   1 person liked this

I dont buy that Researcher, not even on the front page of the site.

posted by Linecrosser on Jun 29, 2012 at 10:24:06 am     #   1 person liked this

Teabaggers like Liney and maddie, with their irrational and excessive hatred of Obama and anything liberal and their use of racial epithets, are what's wrong with the GOP/conservative side of America. It's amazing that they're so fucking dumb that they don't realize that they're the knee-jerk reactionary audience cheering on the GOP version of Jerry Springer and Howard Stern. You're being fucking played up by a pile of smart rich people who are going to get richer off your dumb asses.

Then again, not everyone can come from the smart half of the bell curve.

posted by anonymouscoward on Jun 29, 2012 at 08:56:16 pm     #  

make up your mind am i conservative or a tea bagger? as far as being played, have you found george sorros's hand in your pants yet?

posted by Linecrosser on Jun 29, 2012 at 09:48:15 pm     #  

Then again, not everyone can come from the smart half of the bell curve.

Don't fret, AC. We love you anyway.

posted by madjack on Jun 30, 2012 at 09:18:49 am     #  

Linecrosser posted at 09:48:15 PM on Jun 29, 2012:

make up your mind am i conservative or a tea bagger? as far as being played, have you found george sorros's hand in your pants yet?

I about made a mess with my morning bourbon. That's a good one!

posted by madjack on Jun 30, 2012 at 09:20:01 am     #  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3Az0okaHig&feature=player_detailpage

posted by Linecrosser on Jun 30, 2012 at 03:53:41 pm     #