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Dems release platform

Here it is, since the Teabaggers here were too chicken (or was that too busy doing horrible things to chickens) to post and discuss the GOP platform:

http://www.democrats.org/democratic-national-platform

created by anonymouscoward on Sep 04, 2012 at 12:09:25 am     Politics     Comments: 32

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Much like the 2008 platform of failed promises:

Patriot Act not only still up and running, it got a B-12 shot under Obama. BTW NDAA has already been used against Americans on American soil.

GITMO still open and accepting American citizens is in the works.

ZERO banksters put in jail, matter of fact Obama's Just-Us squad has dropped pending charges several times.

CIA Black sites still torturing even though EVIL Bush was the devil of devils because of it.

Not the most transparent Presidency ever.

Didn't cut the cost of a typical family's health insurance premium by up to $2,500 a year

Didn't enforce pay-as-you-go (PAYGO) budget rules

Didn't bring our troops home

Didn't eliminatinate all income taxes for seniors making less than $50,000 per year

Tougher rules against revolving door for lobbyists and former officials ("No political appointees in an Obama-Biden administration will be permitted to work on regulations or contracts directly and substantially related to their prior employer for two years. And no political appointee will be able to lobby the executive branch after leaving government service during the remainder of the administration." — Obama ethics plan) - His goon sqaud if full of them.

Still no five days of review and comment before signing bills.

Just this is just another list of things he dangles to the Neo-Lib and Progro-Turf crowd.

Obama isn't busy with that chicken, he is too wrapped up slinging bullshit. But you know Bush eats babies.

posted by dbw8906 on Sep 04, 2012 at 08:49:14 am     #  

"NDAA has already been used against Americans on American soil."

[citation needed]

"GITMO still open and accepting American citizens is in the works."

[citation needed] on the "accepting American citizens" part.

"ZERO banksters put in jail, matter of fact Obama's Just-Us squad has dropped pending charges several times."

Lots of litigation is still ongoing. Keep in mind the fact that the banksters are still human beings and have the right to a fair trial in front of a jury of normal people... you know, the idiots who don't understand how to balance a checkbook, let alone calculate compound interest. So any prosecutor has to figure out how to present the case to Joe Six-Pack in a way that Joe Six-Pack concludes the law was broken. Joe Six-Pack knows from watching Generic TV Crime Show about physical crime with knives and bullets and DNA. He doesn't know jack shit about financial instruments and collusion.

"Not the most transparent Presidency ever."

I don't know about that. In fact, I saw some old guy talk to Invisible Obama in front of the RNC. I have to say that Invisible Obama is pretty transparent....

"Didn't cut the cost of a typical family's health insurance premium by up to $2,500 a year"

[citation needed]

"Didn't bring our troops home"

Not ALL of them, but hey, aren't we finally fucking done in Iraq? So fuck your false/misleading claim.

"Didn't eliminatinate all income taxes for seniors making less than $50,000 per year"

Blame Congress, where the fault lies, because they're the ones with the power to do that.

"Tougher rules against revolving door for lobbyists and former officials ("No political appointees in an Obama-Biden administration will be permitted to work on regulations or contracts directly and substantially related to their prior employer for two years. And no political appointee will be able to lobby the executive branch after leaving government service during the remainder of the administration." — Obama ethics plan) - His goon sqaud if full of them."

[citation needed]

Come on, deeb, you made the claims, back them up with some substance.

posted by anonymouscoward on Sep 04, 2012 at 09:34:32 am     #  

Notice you conviently skipped his complete bullshit lies about The Patriot Act. You know warrant-less wire tapping, GPS tracking, and all the other goodies the Patroit Act gives the feds to trash your civil liberties. BTW I also think Romney will do nothing about it, it's why I'm not voting for either of them.

GITMO - “This bill puts military detention authority on steroids and makes it permanent,” Christopher Anders, senior legislative counsel of the American Civil Liberties Union, said in a statement. “If it becomes law, American citizens and others are at real risk of being locked away by the military without charge or trial.” But I geuss the ACLU is a right wing hate group who can't stand Barry.

Banksters - Please there is enough evidence to lock lots of them up, unfortunately the are tied to Washington (R&D). I more than understand that the Feds only take cases they can win but Geithner alone is one record fudging the numbers and we get NOTHING. Your response is a pure shield of the admin.

2,500 dollar campaign promise - http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/23/us/23health.html?ex=1374552000&en=59763b2937c15bd3&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink & Here is him on video repeating it over and over http://freedomeden.blogspot.com/2010/03/obama-20-promises-for-2500.html

Troops - NONE of those Iraq troops are coming home, they are moving to Kuwait, matter of fact they are planning on bulking up levels. But guess they don't put that on MSNBC right? Derp derp Progo-Turfer http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/30/world/middleeast/united-states-plans-post-iraq-troop-increase-in-persian-gulf.html?pagewanted=all

Lobbyist - http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jan/27/barack-obama/obama-says-lobbyists-have-been-excluded-policy-mak/

Oh let me help you out, TeaBagger NPR also comprised a list "The problem for Obama is that his predictions were not only wrong; they were terribly wide of the mark" & "What this means, then, is that Barack Obama's only excuse for his failures is a myth and a mirage — a manufactured, after-the-fact effort to escape accountability for his own words, his own commitments, and his own failings."- http://www.npr.org/2012/07/13/156717291/weekly-standard-obamas-broken-promises

Oh and forgot another give to the bankers - Allow bankruptcy judges to modify terms of a home mortgage:Will repeal provisions of the Chapter 13 law that prohibit bankruptcy judges from modifying the original terms of home mortgages for ordinary families -- regardless of whether the loan was predatory or unfair or is otherwise unaffordable -- "so that ordinary families can also get relief that bankruptcy laws were intended to provide." http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/313/allow-bankruptcy-judges-to-modify-terms-of-a-home-/

You can say he is a better choice than Romney if you want but he is a complete bullshiter of the finest quality.

posted by dbw8906 on Sep 04, 2012 at 01:15:52 pm     #  

Sorry forgot about NDAA on Americans - The Koch funded Occupy Wallstreet group had a write up here - http://occupywallst.org/forum/marine-locked-up-for-utilizing-1st-amendment-right/

But I mean you can never trust those right wing nut jobs!

posted by dbw8906 on Sep 04, 2012 at 01:18:40 pm     #  

Are you better off now than 4 years ago?

posted by Linecrosser on Sep 04, 2012 at 04:01:28 pm     #  

"Notice you conviently skipped his complete bullshit lies about The Patriot Act. You know warrant-less wire tapping, GPS tracking, and all the other goodies the Patroit Act gives the feds to trash your civil liberties. BTW I also think Romney will do nothing about it, it's why I'm not voting for either of them."

I didn't skip that. When the GOP pushed all that shit post 9/11, I screamed and yelled about how we were sacrificing liberty for safety and all I got for my trouble was a pile of pants-pissing toadying Republicans calling me a terrorist and claiming that if we didn't sacrifice all those rights that the terrorists would win and that BushCo (the government!) would NEVER violate the Constitution. You know, the Constitution that Chimpy McFlightsuit said was nothing more than a Goddamn piece of paper. And then Obama took office and the GOP obstructionism machine made it plain that their goal was to do whatever it takes to make Obama a one-term President... including taking a two-faced stance on anything they could. So you DAMN WELL KNOW that if Obama reached out toward the PATRIOT Act to repeal it, he'd get hammered for making America unsafe, removing the tools law enforcement "need" to make America safe, helping the terrorists, etc., and that if he does nothing he's an Evil Dem Big Brother Stalinist [Godwin invocation avoided] using the secret police to spy on Americans, and then NDAA came along with the "indefinite detention" bullshit as a rider buried in over 500 pages of, you know, FUNDING SO THE TROOPS GOT PAID, just like all the other little earmarks and riders Congress attaches to important bills. So Obama's choice was veto it, have the troops not get paid, and have the GOP hop all over the news saying how Obama is a pussy liberal who hates the troops, or swallow the poison pill and have some of the "plausible deniability" GOPers attack him on NDAA to make him look bad for "indefinite detention of Americans". YOU FUCKING WELL KNOW THIS, YOU DISINGENUOUS ASS. Obama knew it, see his statement upon signing it: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/12/31/statement-president-hr-1540 And then you have Obama doing a Bush "signing statement" on it to say "per my interpretation, it does NOT apply to Americans", so there's that.

So why don't you man up by pulling your tongue out of the ass of the GOP right now and say, "The NDAA thing was a trap and Obama was fucked no matter what, so it's wrong for me to use it against him and I am sorry I was acting like a tool"?

Dropping premiums by $2500: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/521/cut-cost-typical-familys-health-insurance-premium-/ I concede the point with the reservation that since PPACA hasn't fully come in yet, we can't exactly prove either way about a decrease in premiums, but yeah, it looks like that's a broken promise, though I also blame the Republican obstructionism in part for the fact that PPACA wasn't as good as it could have been...

Troops out of Iraq: NONE of them came home? REALLY, you lying asshole? http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/126/begin-removing-combat-brigades-from-iraq/ PROMISE KEPT. SUCK IT. As for the build-up, guess which party is busy beating the war drum because a good chunk of them are white-knighting Israel while another part of the party actually has Israel's hand up its collective ass manipulating them? Yeah, the GOP, they want war with Iran next. So we're all busy playing Cold Wargames over there at the moment because if we didn't stick some more troops in the area, it'd be all "Obama is Muslim terrorist butt-buddies with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the Ayatollah!"

Lobbyists: Yeah, Okay, but by your own admission: "Still, open government groups have given Obama high marks for reducing the number of lobbyists at the White House and for making the process more transparent than other administrations." and "The White House has issued seven waivers to its ethics rules, which apply to lobbyists as well as to people who served as officers and directors of a company or organization. And agencies have issued 15. The White House has said these waivers are quite rare -- less than 1 percent of the thousands of appointments that have been made." --your own link

Again, you just admitted that while he may not have removed ALL lobbyists, he's a damn sight better than what we had before. So what's your problem, that Obama is not 100% perfect on this subject?

Mortgages: Congress didn't cooperate. Sorry, Obama. But also stick some of the fault with Congress.

Now, if you want to ding Obama on the economy:

Using the 5 year charts from Yahoo! Finance:

S&P 500, week of the inauguration, 2009: 831.95
S&P 500, close today: 1404.94
S&P 500, peak before the Great Recession: 1561.80, week of Oct 8 2007

DJIA, week of the inauguration: 8077.56
DJIA, close today: 13,035.94
DJIA, peak before the Great Recession: 14,093.08, week of Oct 8 2007.

So the S&P is ~150 points off the peak, the DJIA is ~1000 points off the peak, corporate profits are near or at records for the past 3 years:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/24/business/economy/24econ.html
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/08/01/companies-near-record-profits-amid-high-unemployment/
http://money.cnn.com/2012/02/16/news/companies/gm_earnings/index.htm

So, are you saying that Obama destroyed the economy and you've made no headway or are worse off than four years ago? Anyone going to stand up and say that?

posted by anonymouscoward on Sep 04, 2012 at 09:40:20 pm     #  

Are you better off now than 4 years ago?

I'm in a better job making more money.

I've lost 50 lbs.

My 401k is doing great.

Personally - I'm doing much better.

posted by SensorG on Sep 06, 2012 at 08:49:36 am     #   2 people liked this

Sensor congrats, now too bad the rest of the 25 million folks cant say they have fared as well.

posted by Linecrosser on Sep 06, 2012 at 12:58:30 pm     #  

I'm fighting for you Linecrosser whether you know it or not.

posted by SensorG on Sep 06, 2012 at 01:40:10 pm     #  

I think I will give up and just go collect welfare and food stamps, I've been "self employed" for 6 years, what the hell Obama can care for me I guess. Gonna drop my cell phone plan and get an Obama phone too. all you nice folks can fork over cash to keep me in steak, lobster and bottled water.

posted by Linecrosser on Sep 06, 2012 at 04:10:41 pm     #  

So don't like Obama. Is he not doing enough for you? What do you expect government to do for you exactly and is Rmoney going to so it for you?

posted by SensorG on Sep 06, 2012 at 04:37:17 pm     #   2 people liked this

I did not vote for Clinton in '92 but I did in '96. That is just for the record.

I was reminded last night after hearing snippets of Pres. Clinton speech why I became an independent voter. And it has much to do with my values.

Could be the time of my life, the stars are aligned or I just no longer care but I am much better off today than 4 years ago and I'm retired on "very" small pension and SS. I invested wisely in the 90's after struggling much of the decades before and my frugal ways are paying off now.

After living 7 decades plus I no longer hope for big changes in Washington. I'd just as soon Congress stayed on recess the entire year. They are worthless, the whole bunch. And in my opinion Congress is the reason the world is spinning and going no where.

Obama gets my vote this year because I do not trust Romney.

posted by jackie on Sep 06, 2012 at 05:21:59 pm     #  

Romney wants to cut Medicaid, 2/3 of which goes to pay for people in nursing homes. It's bad enough our system is designed to bankrupt people at the end of life, but now there won't be any money to even keep folks in nursing homes till the end.

posted by SensorG on Sep 06, 2012 at 05:56:12 pm     #   2 people liked this

Comrads, its going to be a glorious new country. I am looking forward to standing in line for bread and my allotment of corn.

posted by Linecrosser on Sep 06, 2012 at 07:26:19 pm     #  

During WWII I stood in line with my mother, sister and baby brother so Mom could purchase 1/4 butter and a small amount of sugar. No one complained and even gas was rationed. That is why my parents are part of the "greatest generation".

posted by jackie on Sep 06, 2012 at 08:54:57 pm     #  

Would your parent have put Obama in the white house?

posted by Linecrosser on Sep 07, 2012 at 03:00:48 am     #  

Linecrosser posted at 04:10:41 PM on Sep 06, 2012:

I think I will give up and just go collect welfare and food stamps, I've been "self employed" for 6 years, what the hell Obama can care for me I guess. Gonna drop my cell phone plan and get an Obama phone too. all you nice folks can fork over cash to keep me in steak, lobster and bottled water.

I'm SO SORRY that the CONTINUOUSLY INCREASING WEALTH OF THE 1% hasn't TRICKLED DOWN onto you.

That and that you are a MISERABLE FUCKING FAILURE at your self-employment. Here I thought that nobody who worked hard and put their mind to it could ever be a lazy bum who sat on the Internet all day bitching about how the government is doing nothing for him.

Or is your "self-employment" being a paid shill for the GOP? Because you're failing at that, too.

posted by anonymouscoward on Sep 07, 2012 at 06:42:53 am     #   1 person liked this

My 80 year mom loves Obama and while my dad (god rest his soul) was a Hillary guy during the primaries, he gladly voted for Obama.

posted by SensorG on Sep 07, 2012 at 08:24:33 am     #   1 person liked this

AC your clueless, Sensor Obama isn't your 60's 70's democrat, but oh well, your both like moonies when it comes to him.

posted by Linecrosser on Sep 07, 2012 at 12:41:13 pm     #  

No, Obama is more like a 70's Republican.

posted by SensorG on Sep 07, 2012 at 12:46:31 pm     #  

SensorG posted at 12:46:31 PM on Sep 07, 2012:

No, Obama is more like a 70's Republican.

He's not bad for a moderate, non "trickle down voodoo economics" Republican.

Of course, the GOP, and the Teabagger wing in particular, would be attacking SAINT RONALDUS MAXIMUS REAGAN as a RINO, if only they weren't delusional. This can be proven by citing lesser-known Reagan quotes, Reagan tax hikes, and so on and hearing the GOP say such things are not Republican.

Or, an illustration of Obama and the GOP for the literacy-impared like Liney:

posted by anonymouscoward on Sep 07, 2012 at 03:55:24 pm     #  

Thats an insult to 70's republicans, must of been your intent.

posted by Linecrosser on Sep 07, 2012 at 04:32:47 pm     #  

AC, cartoons describe Obama best? He does spend tax money like it is monopoly money.

posted by Linecrosser on Sep 07, 2012 at 04:34:20 pm     #  

Last time I checked, Lie-ny, CONGRESS is the one with the purse-strings.

Last time I checked, my (federal) taxes haven't gone up, they went down. However, the interest rate on my credit cards is up, because some Republican assholes let the banks go hog-wild and also forced a downgrade on the credit of the USA.

Also, it is "must have", not "must of", you illiterate moron.

posted by anonymouscoward on Sep 07, 2012 at 08:21:38 pm     #   1 person liked this

Linecrosser

My parents were staunch Taft Republicans - fiscally conservative and socially liberal. I have no clue how they would have voted. I do know they would have judged him on his character and values.

If I can contact my parents through the spirits up above I will ask them.

posted by jackie on Sep 07, 2012 at 09:32:34 pm     #   1 person liked this

jackie posted at 09:32:34 PM on Sep 07, 2012:

Linecrosser

My parents were staunch Taft Republicans - fiscally conservative and socially liberal. I have no clue how they would have voted. I do know they would have judged him on his character and values.

If I can contact my parents through the spirits up above I will ask them.

This is my problem: There is NO party for "fiscally conservative/socially liberal" people. Don't say "LIBERTARIAN!" because the libertarians (both small- and capital-L ones) amount to buttoned-down anarchists. Unfortunately, in my book, after many years of watching politics, I have seen the GOP piss all over fiscal conservatism (somehow, PBS, NPR, etc. are all wasteful government spending, but blowing $2 TRILLION dollars on two wars, one of which was complete bullshit and another of which should have been solved by a few Special Forces attacks in certain parts of Afghanistan instead of a full-on occupation), not to mention get in bed with the fundie nutjobs in order to stay in power and thus push all sorts of ultra-conservative social legislation on us. The Dems on the other hand have no spines, and while a lot of them are crooks who line their pockets off the government, they are actually very small-time self-interested assholes as compared to the big Republican "cut taxes for the rich, give tax money to the rich, have a war that benefits my rich friends who helped me get into power" game. As opposed to the traditional Dem shit like Czarty's shower and kickbacks from construction projects.

posted by anonymouscoward on Sep 08, 2012 at 12:48:29 pm     #   1 person liked this

AC

The Republican party in power when I was growing up was fiscally conservative and socially responsible. That party is dead. In fact no one in either party wants a moderate.

That is why I am an Independent voter. But on social issues I lean left.

posted by jackie on Sep 08, 2012 at 04:04:15 pm     #  

AC: There is NO party for "fiscally conservative/socially liberal" people.

I wish there was. :(

posted by mom2 on Sep 10, 2012 at 09:57:11 am     #  

mom2

I agree. I also believe there are more people in the middle than on the extreme fringes. But it is the squeaky wheel theory - the most you rant and rave the more attention you receive.

posted by jackie on Sep 10, 2012 at 11:22:46 am     #  

anonymouscoward posted at 12:48:29 PM on Sep 08, 2012:
jackie posted at 09:32:34 PM on Sep 07, 2012:

Linecrosser

My parents were staunch Taft Republicans - fiscally conservative and socially liberal. I have no clue how they would have voted. I do know they would have judged him on his character and values.

If I can contact my parents through the spirits up above I will ask them.

This is my problem: There is NO party for "fiscally conservative/socially liberal" people. Don't say "LIBERTARIAN!" because the libertarians (both small- and capital-L ones) amount to buttoned-down anarchists. Unfortunately, in my book, after many years of watching politics, I have seen the GOP piss all over fiscal conservatism (somehow, PBS, NPR, etc. are all wasteful government spending, but blowing $2 TRILLION dollars on two wars, one of which was complete bullshit and another of which should have been solved by a few Special Forces attacks in certain parts of Afghanistan instead of a full-on occupation), not to mention get in bed with the fundie nutjobs in order to stay in power and thus push all sorts of ultra-conservative social legislation on us. The Dems on the other hand have no spines, and while a lot of them are crooks who line their pockets off the government, they are actually very small-time self-interested assholes as compared to the big Republican "cut taxes for the rich, give tax money to the rich, have a war that benefits my rich friends who helped me get into power" game. As opposed to the traditional Dem shit like Czarty's shower and kickbacks from construction projects.

Ain't that the truth.

The trouble is that being fiscally conservative will not get you re-elected. Initially the candidate can make campaign promises but once in office advocating decreased funding for military spending or social services will not go over well with enough voters that being re-elected is a bit uncertain.

posted by madjack on Sep 10, 2012 at 12:49:26 pm     #  

You realize that you agreed with my post, right, Maddie? Satan isn't happy with you, apparently he got frostbite on the tip of his tail.

posted by anonymouscoward on Sep 10, 2012 at 08:09:53 pm     #  

Obama during national anthem.
Obama during Kenya's national anthem.

posted by Linecrosser on Sep 27, 2012 at 07:23:58 pm     #