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Did Clinton win Ohio on a lie?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-loeb/did-clinton-win-ohio-on-a_b_90254.html

Suppose someone in the North Korean government released a false story that shifted a key American election. If Bush were negatively affected, we might be bombing Pyongyang by now. But this just happened with what Hillary Clinton called "NAFTAgate" Without it, she might never have won Ohio, or her margin would have been minuscule. But as a Canadian Broadcasting Company story reveals, practically the entire story was a lie, one that played so central a role in Clinton's Ohio victory as to thoroughly taint any claim she raises about a swing state mandate.

As the Ohio primary approached, Obama was steadily closing what a month earlier had been a 20-point lead in the polls. He pointed out that the NAFTA trade agreement was a centerpiece of Bill Clinton's term and that it cost massive numbers of industrial jobs. Instead of creating a trade-fueled boom, NAFTA helped hollow out America's industrial base, with over 200,000 manufacturing jobs disappearing in Ohio alone since the 2000 election. Even Republicans I talked with while calling the state just before the primary made clear that they thought it was a disaster.

Given these sentiments, Hillary chose not to defend her husband's actions, but instead claimed Obama was distorting her position because she'd privately opposed the agreement at the time, had "long been a critic" and now similarly supported stronger labor and environmental standards. Echoing her reinvention on the Iraq War, these claims were flat-out nonsense. As David Sirota points out, she'd praised NAFTA repeatedly in public settings from the time of its inception, even praising corporations for mounting "a very effective business effort" on behalf of its passage. And as Obama highlighted their contrasting positions and approaches on this and other issues, he was gaining in the polls.

Then, on Feb 27, the Canadian network CTV reported that even as Obama was publicly attacking Bill's role in NAFTA, and arguing for a drastic overhaul, he'd had key economic advisor Austin Goolsby arrange a meeting with the Canadian ambassador where Goolsby reassured them that this was all just "political positioning," pandering for campaign trail. The likely source of the anonymous Valerie Plame-style leak was Ian Brodie, Chief of Staff, to a key Bush ally, right-wing Prime Minister Stephen Harper, and the US media jumped all over it as proof of Obama's hypocrisy. The Canadian embassy denied the story and Obama also said it was false. A follow-up March 3rd leak then sent a supposed memo summarizing the meeting to the major US media outlets, quoting Goolsby as saying Obama's statements were more "political positioning than the clear articulation of policy plans." Clinton made the controversy a centerpiece of her home stretch speeches and ads, saying "You come to Ohio and you both give speeches that are very critical of NAFTA and you send out misleading and false information about my position regarding NAFTA and then we find out that your chief economic advisor has gone to a foreign government and basically done the old wink wink, don't pay any attention this is just political rhetoric." She even ran a radio ad that misleadingly presenting itself as a news story, which concluded, "As Senator Obama was telling one story to Ohio, his campaign was telling a very different story to Canada."

John McCain similarly attacked Obama for the presumed contradiction in his stand, saying "I don't think it's appropriate to go to Ohio and tell people one thing while your aide is calling the Canadian Ambassador and telling him something else. I certainly don't think that's straight talk." The week before, key Clinton ally, Machinist's Union head Tom Buffenbarger used recycled language from ads the right-wing Club For Growth ran against Howard Dean by dismissing Obama supporters as "latte-drinking, Prius-driving, Birkenstock-wearing, trust fund babies." He now attacked Obama again by saying, "Working families cannot trust a candidate who telegraphs his real position to a foreign government and then dissembles in a nationally televised debate."

These attacks unquestionably made a difference. They flipped voter perceptions on an issue where Obama should have had a key advantage. In 1994, union, environmental, and social justice activists were so angry at Clinton's staking all his political chips to pass NAFTA that many sat out that critical election, helping lead to Gingrich's win. Now Clinton ended up getting a majority the 55 percent of Ohio voters who expressed a sense "that trade takes jobs away," a majority of those worried about their family's economic situation, and a majority of union members, whom Obama won in his recent victories. She won a 10 percent plurality in a state where Ohioans overwhelmingly picked the economy as the top issue. And she won overwhelmingly with late-breaking voters, the opposite of practically all of Obama's other campaigns. Most important, by casting doubt on Obama's integrity, the cornerstone of his campaign, they made him seem like just another hack politician who'd say anything to win. This gave the supposed scandal a probable impact in Texas and Rhode Island as well, even though NAFTA was less of a central issue there.

But as the CBC report and others makes clear, the core of the story turned out to be false. The Canadian government contacted Goolsby to clarify Obama's position on trade, not the reverse. Although Goolsby did meet with Canada's Chicago consul general George Rioux (not, as was reported in the original leak, Ambassador Michael Wilson), there's no evidence that he ever described Obama's position as mere political posturing. Instead, Goolsby responded to Canadian questions by clarifying that Obama wasn't pushing to scrap the agreement entirely, but that labor and environmental safeguards were important to him. The memo was simply inaccurate, as even the Harper government now acknowledges after a firestorm of criticism by opposition parliament members, who've accused the Harper government of trying to help their Republican allies across the border by trying to take down the likely and stronger of the Democratic candidates. In response, Harper called the leak "blatantly unfair," pledged to get to the bottom of it, and said "there was no intention to convey, in any way, that Senator Obama and his campaign team were taking a different position in public from views expressed in private, including about NAFTA."

Ironically, the day before the story hit American TV, Brodie, told reporters questioning him on trade that "someone from (Hillary) Clinton's campaign is telling the embassy to take it with a grain of salt. . .That someone called us and told us not to worry." But that never made the headlines and no one raised it in the campaign.

As Matt Wallace writes in the Daily Kos, "this scandal was manufactured out of whole cloth. Goolsbee said something consistent with Obama's official position -- that he wanted protections added, but it wasn't going to be a fundamental change or revocation of NAFTA, and that Obama was not a protectionist. This was morphed somewhat going into the memo, and now the embassy admits they "may have misrepresented the Obama advisor." Even after the memo misrepresented Obama, the Harper government took it a step further and then leaked a completely fantastic version of the story to the press, in order to maximize the bloodletting."

The Harper government has now apologized for any interference in an American political campaign, but the damage is done. Clinton's victory also benefitted from some pretty questionable attack politics. Her 3:00 AM ad echoed the worst of Dick Cheney and Rudy Giuliani. When asked if she'd "take Senator Obama on his word that he's not a Muslim," she left the door open to the right wing lies by saying "there's nothing to base that on. As far as I know." She pretty much handed McCain his campaign script by saying, "I think that I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002."

Taken together with a week of media framing that the respected Project for Excellence in Journalism described as overwhelmingly critical of Obama, and initial twenty five-point margins based on name familiarity and insider connections, these attacks also contributed strongly to her Ohio victory. Back-to-back sympathetic Saturday Night Lives shows (the first after the strike) probably helped as well, as did support from popular governor Ted Strickland. Clinton may even have benefited from Rush Limbaugh's exhortation to his listeners to cross over and vote for her to keep the Democrats bloodying each other up. But "NAFTAgate" was key. Without it her victory would have been non-existent or minimal. The nine delegates Clinton netted from Ohio can't be changed, but the salience of this lie casts into doubt everything she says about the lessons of this victory.

PS--Some readers have asked, "But what about Obama's denials? Aren't they proof of hypocrisy?" I'm still trying to track down the precise sequence of communication. But my guess is that Goolsby didn't tell Obama about the meeting because he didn't consider it that loaded or important--NAFTA was just part of the discussion, and it was with a relatively low-level Canadian official, the Chicago consul general. Also, Obama was intensely campaigning and his advisors don't badger him every day to tell him about their every meeting. Because the campaign hadn't contacted the Canadian ambassador to arrange the meeting, he didn't know about it, so said the story was false. Then the media avalanche came down, the campaign figured out what had happened, and they acknowledged what should essentially have been a non-story. Could they have handled it better if they weren't doing a million other things? Probably. But there's no evidence of the kind of duplicity alleged in Hillary's ads and attacks--not even counting the fact that, if you believe Ian Brodie, Clinton's campaign in fact did approach the Canadians with precisely the kind of covert disavowal of her own public stands for which she attacked Obama.

created by charlatan on Mar 06, 2008 at 06:50:00 pm     Comments: 8

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And apparently it was Hillary's campaign who told the Canadian government to take her anti-NAFTA spiel with "a grain of salt."

more here:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080305.wnafta06/BNStory/National/home

posted by charlatan on Mar 06, 2008 at 06:51:26 pm     #



The simple answer to your question is, "yes." The more complicated part is: doesn't this smell rather Republican-esque? Sort of Lieberman-esque? I think she is willing to burn down the barn to get elected.

posted by Man_with_the_muck_rake on Mar 06, 2008 at 08:59:58 pm     #



I think she is willing to burn down the barn to get elected.

I agree. The only way she is going to win is to destroy Obama through innuendo and negative attacks. If she succeeds, she will alienate enough of Obama's supporters that she will lose the general election. If Hillary was gone tomorrow, I can see her folks coming over to Obama. But if the situation was reversed, Obama's supporters would be so disillusioned that they would stay home or even perhaps vote for McCain.

posted by Ace_Face on Mar 06, 2008 at 11:06:10 pm     #



Wouldn't it be nice if voting was actually a choice or a voice?

posted by charlatan on Mar 06, 2008 at 11:23:26 pm     #



Wait a minute.

Why does this story seem to read as if it blames Hillary Clinton for the possible "misrepresentation of the Obama advisor" on the part of the embassy, as well as "the Harper government (taking) it a step further and then (leaking) a completely fantastic version of the story to the press, in order to maximize the bloodletting"?

I mean, I get it if Obama's supporters have a bone to pick with the source of the leak. And I get it if Obama supporters want to cry foul on the media's rush to embrace NAFTAgate. But whether Hillary did or did not have her own unpublicized NAFTAgate with the Canadians, how is Obama's real or exaggerated Canadian problem her fault? (By the way, the Clinton campaign has given the Canadians full encouragement to release the name of any campaign rep who may have discussed NAFTA with them. So far, we've heard no names released.)

Honestly, this is an example of why after Edwards (my own favored candidate) dropped out of the race, I swung toward Hillary. I couldn't help it because, look, if you want to take someone to task for their mistakes and hold them accountable for their actions, I'm all for that; BUT I believe in fairness and I am sick of this pattern of Hillary crucification for shit that she doesn't control. I don't like that. It's not fair. It's not right. It's not even logical!

Also: I believe it was during the Texas debate (or was it Cleveland?) that the moderator asked Obama if he believed that the Hillary campaign played no part in circulating "the" photo. Obama's response was that Hillary had said she had nothing to do with the photo and he "took her at her word," "if she said that," "I believe her," leaving the door open, you might say, to the suggestion that in fact he believed Hillary and/or her staff DID circulate the photo. Why is it OK for Obama to reply in the same tone with the same words regarding virtually the same subject, but in Hillary's voice the words are called out as a calculated accusation based on race-baiting or whatever you want to call it?

I'm sure the writer of this post at Huffington -- which seems to me as if it's turned mainly into a Hillary-bashing free-for-all -- is the same sort of person who claims to be tired of Hillary "whining" about the double standards in this race and the blatant sexism in the media coverage.

Blech. You'd have to be both deaf and blind to not see it.

posted by jmleong on Mar 07, 2008 at 02:56:53 am     #



I don't know whether Clinton's campaign had a hand in the NAFTA story and I don't care. What does bother me is that she is borrowing from the Bush/McCain bible to try and win this election. For a candidate who has wholeheartedly denounced that type of politics in the past, she sure seems comfortable with it now. (Yes, I have examples)

In recent weeks, Clinton has called for Michigan and Florida's delegates to be sat. She, of course, was the only major Democratic candidate to leave her name on the ballot in those states. Until just a few days ago, she wanted the delegates to count in the way those primaries voted. Additionally, since Ohio and Texas, Clinton has been arguing that the popular vote is less important than the number of total delegates (including the political-insider "super" delegates). A strange position for a person who crusaded for Gore in 2000 based on the fact that he won the popular vote across the U.S. It seems that she is only willing to listen to the people when they agree with her.

Moreover, Clinton has gone on the attack with very misleading information. In one breath she claims that she doesn't want to ride Bill's coattails, but in the next breath she talks about all her experience in the White House. Last I checked, she did not negotiate or write a lot of foreign policy, particularly in the area of national defense. She definitely met a number of high level diplomats, but that does not equal experience. More than that, she is all over the place on Iraq. She has hedged her bets so much that there is no way to know what she really intends to do. First she votes to go in, then she votes to fund it, then not. She will say and do anything to further her political amibitions - like move to New York to run for Senate.

The list goes on, but the point is that Clinton is slimy. She has been that way from the days of Bill's presidency. She was far more intimately connected to WhiteWater than he was and got very little attention for it. I don't trust her any further than I can throw her.

That is not to say that Obama is a saint. He has absolutely been annointed by the media. They don't usually take him to task when he is vague - and that is often. He has run a campaign with very little substance, but it works so I don't suppose I can fault him for not wanting to change. One thing I can say is nice, though, is that he has not taken the dirt road. There is a ton of dirt to be slung at Clinton and he has not used it. In fact, he has not even allowed outside groups to use it for him. That tells me 2 things - 1) he might actually be a little honest [strange for a politician] and 2) every candidate that claims they have no control over the advertising of political action committees is lying.

If Obama wins the nomination, and I think the Clintons are pulling a lot of favors with the super delegates to make sure that doesn't happen, I want him to flesh out his campaign issues. I want to know how he will defend the country, I want to know about immigration, I want to know about the economy. If he does that, I will have the ability to do something that has escaped me for nearly 6 years - I will be able to vote FOR the best national political candidate instead of voting against the worst.

posted by MoreThanRhetoric on Mar 07, 2008 at 12:21:31 pm     #



MTR, I do agree with many of your well-reasoned thoughts on Obama.

However, I would like to point out that in your second paragragh, you are incorrect in saying that Hillary Clinton was the only major Democrat on the ballot in Michigan and Florida. True, she was the only one on the Michigan ballot -- she withdrew her name, but only on the eve of the election, too late to re-print ballots. I'll grant that move was probably tactical on her part. However, both Edwards and Obama were on the Florida ballot. Here was the first news report on the Florida election results that showed up when I Googled for documentation: http://www.nowpublic.com/politics/florida-election-results-news-views

Also, when you say Clinton is borrowing from the Bush/McCain bible, can I assume you are talking about her "3 a.m." ad, for example? It is true that we've come to expect Republicans to use fear, particularly since 9/11, as a campaign tactic with which to motivate voters. I agree that the ad was sufficiently dramatic so as to possibly incite fear. On the other hand, I think the ad also made Clinton's point in drawing a contrast between her experience and the question of Obama's up-and-coming relative inexperience, particularly in foreign affairs. To be truthful, this contrast is really the most pointed upon which the Clinton campaign can rely, as the similarities between the two candidates far outweigh the difference.

Last thing: I'm not willing to buy into the idea that Obama hasn't taken the "dirt road." Earlier in the campaign, for example, he replied to some of Clinton's criticisms by saying, "That's what she does when she's feeling down." Can you imagine one male candidate saying that about another male candidate? I sure can't. I took Obama's comment as an allusion to the idea of women as emotional, unsteady wrecks incapable of strategy and logic in a tense situation. I don't think personal attacks are fair play, personally.

Thanks for engaging in the discussion.

posted by jmleong on Mar 10, 2008 at 12:29:51 am     #



Whoops. "difference" should be "differences." Hit Post instead of Preview! :/

posted by jmleong on Mar 10, 2008 at 12:32:26 am     #