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The End of Antibiotics

http://www.naturalnews.com/022892.html

Eventually antibiotics are going to be seen as one of the worst things to ever come out of pharmaceutical science because in the end, they have made us only weaker in the face of ever increasingly strong super bugs that are resistant to all the antibiotics doctors have at their disposal. When we look at how deep the rabbit hole goes with antibiotics, we will get sick in our souls. Antibiotics have fulfilled their anti–biotic anti-life role leaving a long trail of death and suffering in the wake of their use.

Diseases include measles, scarlet fever, tuberculosis, typhoid fever, pneumonia, influenza, whooping cough, diphtheria and polio. All were in decline for several decades before the introduction of antibiotics or vaccines - Dr. Lawrence Wilson.

Antibiotics do not kill yeast. Many women find after taking antibiotics, they get vaginal yeast infections (because their normal bacterial balance has been lost). Antibiotics bring on fungal and yeast infections thus will eventually be seen as a major cause of cancer since more and more oncologists are seeing yeast and fungal infections as an integral part of cancer and its cause. With upwards of 40 percent of all cancers thought to be involved with and caused by infections, the subject of antibiotics and the need for something safer, more effective and life serving is imperative.

It may be some time before we really enter the predicted "post antibiotic era" in which common infections are frequently untreatable - Dr. Marc Lipsitch et al. (Harvard School of Public Health).

Antibiotics kill all bacteria in the body, including the ones we need.

An antibiotic is a substance produced by certain bacteria or fungi that kills other cells or interferes with their growth. In nature, these substances help some microbes survive by limiting the multiplication of other microbes that share the same environment. Antibiotics that attack pathogenic (disease-causing) microbes without severely harming normal body cells are useful as drugs but there does not seem to be any from the pharmaceutical companies that do not do damage. Dr. Lisa Landymore-Lin wrote all about this in her book Poisonous Prescriptions asking, 'Do Antibiotics Cause Asthma and Diabetes?' We are now beginning to question the role of antibiotics as a cause of cancer since they do lead to pathogen overgrowth especially in the area of yeast and fungi. Chris Woollams writes, "It is estimated that 70 per cent of the British population have a yeast infection. The primary cause of this is our love of antibiotics. Swollen glands? Take antibiotics. Tonsillitis? Take antibiotics."

Two studies in the recent past have shown an association between the use of antibiotics with higher incidence of breast cancer.

In one study the increased risk was small, and the importance of the link has been played down by UK breast-cancer experts, but the findings add weight to recent studies that have found links between antibiotics and other diseases. In the past few years, heavy antibiotic use has been linked to the inflammatory bowel disorder, Crohn's disease, and to children developing allergies such as Hay fever and asthma. And as we shall see below, antibiotics play a hidden role in autism and other neurological diseases.

The Journal of the American Medical Association has reported a study on 10,000 women in which women who took over 500 days of antibiotics in a 17 year period (dubbed 25 plus doses) had twice the risk of breast cancer as those that took none at all. Even women taking just one had a statistical risk increase to 1.5 times.

The consequences of resistance in some bacteria can be measured as increases in the term and magnitude of morbidity, higher rates of mortality, and greater costs of hospitalization for patients infected with resistant bacteria - Dr. Marc Lipsitch et al.

Broad-spectrum antibiotics are undiscriminating: in addition to "bad bacteria," they also kill healthy bacteria which normally live in the intestines and the vagina, and which are a necessary part of the indigenous flora to keep the body healthy. When the "good" bacteria are killed with antibiotics, then yeast, which is part of the normal flora of the body, can begin to overgrow because the antibiotics have altered the body's healthy terrain (internal ecological balance) allowing the yeast to hyperproliferate and cause many far-reaching, toxic symptoms.

But modern medicine so far continues to believe that antibiotics have played an important role in staving off bacterial infections since Alexander Fleming first discovered them in 1927. Many doctors are finally beginning to see that the effectiveness of these so-called miracle drugs has waned as some of the very bacteria they are meant to control have been mutating into new forms that don't respond to treatment. Many medical experts blame this phenomenon on both the misuse and overuse of antibiotics in recent years in both human medicine and in agriculture.

According to several studies, obstetricians and gynecologists write 2,645,000 antibiotic prescriptions every week. Internists prescribe 1,416,000 per week. This works out to 211,172,000 prescriptions annually in the United States, just for these two specialties. Pediatricians prescribe over $500 million worth of antibiotics annually just for one condition, ear infections. Yet topical povidone iodine (PVP-I) is as effective as topical ciprofloxacin, with a superior advantage of having no in vitro drug resistance and the added benefit of reduced cost of treatment.

According to a study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association, taking properly prescribed medical drugs was listed as the third leading cause of death in the U.S. Antibiotics
were listed in this category because antibiotics can be deadly.

A 17-year-old St Margaret's College student in New Zealand has exposed multiple antibiotic-resistant bugs in fresh chicken sold in supermarkets? Jane Millar's discovery of a range of resistant bacteria in chickens that could compromise antibiotic treatment in humans is an important finding that the bacteria have developed resistance to antibiotics not used in the poultry industry but important for treating serious infections in humans.

We can create resistance to medically important antibiotics by using antibiotics that are presumably safe in agriculture - Jane Millar.

Jane bought six fresh chickens - free-range, barn-raised and organic – from a supermarket. She took samples from each bird and grew bug colonies, which she used to test different antibiotics. Apramycin is an antibiotic used sparingly by the New Zealand poultry industry to treat infections. The bacteria of two chickens tested resistant to apramycin. They also proved resistant to another two antibiotics from the same family - gentamicin and tobramycin - used for serious human infections. Gentamicin is not used by the poultry industry; tobramycin is restricted to human use only.

A recent risk assessment study commissioned by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has estimated that about 8,000-10,000 persons in the U.S. each year acquire fluoroquinolone-resistant Campylobacter infections from chicken and attempt to treat those infections with a fluoroquinolone.

Every day, new strains of bacteria, fungi, and other pathogenic microorganisms are becoming resistant to the antibiotics that once dispatched them with extreme prejudice.

"We know that antimicrobial resistance will follow antimicrobial use as sure as night follows day," said Dr. John A. Jernigan, deputy chief of prevention and response from the Center of Disease Control. "It's just a biological phenomenon." It turns out that the indiscriminate killing of harmless microbes damages the body in complex ways we are only beginning to understand. Powerful antibiotics introduced into the complex environment in our intestines cause mayhem, much like a series of bombs tossed into a market square. Antibiotic resistance is a widespread problem, and one that the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention calls "one of the world's most pressing public health problems."

One of the deadliest germs is a staph bacteria called M.R.S.A., short for methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus, which lives harmlessly on the skin but causes havoc when it enters the body. Patients who do survive M.R.S.A. often spend months in the hospital and endure several operations to cut out infected tissue. Hospitalizations associated with a drug-resistant form of a Staphylococcus bacterium doubled over six years in the U.S. to nearly 280,000 cases in 2005. The death toll rose from 4,700 in 1999 to about 6,600 in 2005. It estimated that 94,000 Americans suffered invasive MRSA infections in 2005 and that about 19,000 died.

One out of every 20 patients contracts an infection during a hospital stay in the US. Hospital infections kill an estimated 103,000 people in the United States a year, as many as AIDS, breast cancer and auto accidents combined. The vast majority of lethal cases occur in hospitals and nursing homes, where open wounds and punctures provide the opportunistic staph a ready path to the bloodstream and organs. The dangers of infection are worsening as many hospital infections can no longer be cured with common antibiotics.

More than half the time, doctors and other caregivers break the most fundamental rule of hygiene by
failing to clean their hands before treating a patient.

"Recently there has been an alarming epidemic caused by community-associated (CA)-MRSA strains, which can cause severe infections that can result in necrotizing fasciitis or even death in otherwise healthy adults outside of healthcare settings," is the word coming from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) research team, headed by Dr. Michael Otto.

Necrotizing fasciitis is the so-called flesh-eating disease that can destroy healthy tissue and even kill patients. The team found that some strains on MRSA secrete a compound called phenol-soluble modulin or PSM. It attracts immune system cells called neutrophils, the researchers found, and then blows them up in a process called lysis. Neutrophils are key immune cells involved in clearing bacterial infections, so destroying them would allow the bacteria to thrive almost unmolested.
"In the United States, CA-MRSA is now the cause of the majority of infections that result in trips to the emergency room. It is unclear what makes CA-MRSA strains more successful in causing human disease compared with their hospital-associated counterparts," they add.

When the peaceful activities of a normal microbial population are disrupted, malevolent bacteria may take full advantage of the opportunity to strike. The intestinal infection C. difficile colitis, now rampaging through hospitals around the world, is one of the worst such complication of antibiotic use.

Clostridium difficile was first recognized as a hospital microbe in 1978. By 1996, it had increased to 31 cases per 100,000 people discharged from U.S. hospitals. In 2003, the most recent year for complete statistics, prevalence had risen to 61 per 100,000. C. diff is part of the natural flora, or bacteria, in the colon. "We're seeing all of the warning signs that this is the next MRSA," said former New York Lt. Gov. Betsy McCaughey, founder of the Committee to Reduce Infection Deaths, a Manhattan-based nonprofit. "It spreads like wildfire in hospitals."

Clostridium difficile is a spore-forming toxin-producing bacterium that is overtaking peoples' large intestines from which it mounts an attack on the bloodstream. Like MRSA, Clostridium difficile has become multi-drug-resistant. Although once a bacterium that mostly affected elderly, hospitalized patients, a bolder strain is crippling the robust. In emergency efforts to save some patients' lives surgeons remove the entire large intestine to prevent overwhelming infection.

One case had been treated by a dermatologist for an ingrown hair on his back and prescribed an antibiotic. He took only a few pills, but quickly became ill. Based on what his doctors told him, the short course of antibiotics proved sufficient to destroy virtually all the natural bacteria in his intestine - except C. diff, which was freed to ravage his colon.

Frequently, stethoscopes, blood-pressure monitors and other equipment are contaminated with live bacteria. Yet doctors and nurses almost never clean the stethoscope before listening to a patient's chest.

"It strikes precisely those hospitals which are more 'high-tech', and handle more serious illnesses. Applying more disinfectant is not the answer; some strains of germs have actually been found thriving in bottles of hospital disinfectant! The more antibacterial chemical 'weapons' are being used, the more bacteria are becoming resistant to them," writes Dr. Carl Wieland.

Health-care officials are increasingly concerned about emerging new forms of drug-resistant Tuberculosis (TB). According to the WHO, outbreaks of drug-resistant tuberculosis are showing up all over the world and threaten to touch off a worldwide epidemic of virtually incurable tuberculosis. An October 1997 survey by the WHO, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the International Union Against Tuberculosis and Lung Disease estimates that 50 million people are infected with a strain of TB that is drug-resistant. Many of those are said to carry multi-drug-resistant tuberculosis, incurable by two or more of the standard drugs.

New DNA technology has found hundreds of previously unrecognized species in the traditional stomping grounds of the mouth and intestine, and traces of bacteria even in tissues previously thought to be sterile.

Lessons from Autism

Medical scientists at Arizona State University tell us that antibiotic use is known to almost completely inhibit excretion of mercury in rats due to alteration of gut flora. Thus, higher use of oral antibiotics in the children with autism may have reduced their ability to excrete mercury. Higher usage of oral antibiotics in infancy may also partially explain the high incidence of chronic gastrointestinal problems in individuals with autism.

Many physicians are unaware of lasting adverse effects caused by routinely prescribed medications such as antibiotics. Antibiotic therapy for minor colds and runny noses is a common practice. People routinely receive multiple courses of broad-spectrum antibiotics throughout life or are injected with long-acting corticosteroid medicine for joint or muscle pain. Once established, sub-clinical colonization with yeast in the body may persist unrecognized for many years. Antibiotics, such as tetracycline, can greatly increase yeast in the colon after only a few days.

The extensive use of antibiotics will make the condition of Candida much worse because it reduces heavy metal excretion, which is a food source for the yeast like organism and also killing the beneficial bacteria at the same time.

Normally, candida albicans lives peacefully in our intestines and elsewhere, in harmony with other flora that keep the yeast in check. Take an antibiotic and all this changes. By suppressing the normal flora, candida takes over and problems begin. In its mild form, the result is diarrhea or a yeast infection. Dr. Elmer Cranton says that, "Yeast overgrowth is partly iatrogenic (caused by the medical profession) and can be caused by antibiotics and cortisone medications. A diet high in sugar also promotes overgrowth of yeast. A highly refined diet common in industrialized nations not only promotes growth of yeast, but is also deficient in many of the essential vitamins and minerals needed by the immune system. Chemical colorings, flavorings, preservatives, stabilizers, emulsifiers, etc., add more
stress on the immune system."

Children with autism had significantly (2.1-fold) higher levels of mercury in their baby teeth but similar levels of lead and similar levels of zinc. Children with autism also had significantly higher usage of oral antibiotics during their first 12 to 36 months of life. Reporting in the July 11, 2007 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association, researchers say the use of antibiotics as prevention boosts risks for drug resistance while doing nothing to shield kids from future urinary tract infections (UTIs). Giving antibiotics to prevent recurrent urinary tract infections in small children not only will not help but will hurt these children. Prior use of antibiotics to prevent infection did boost the likelihood of developing a drug-resistant infection by nearly 7.5 times. Indeed, 61 percent of recurrent urinary tract infections were caused by a pathogen with antibiotic resistance, the researchers pointed out.

In a 2005 study, the antibiotic Augmentin TM has been implicated in the formation of autism. The study strongly suggests the possibility of ammonia poisoning as a result of young children taking Augmentin. Augmentin has been given to children since the late 1980's for bacterial infections.

Many physicians seem to be unaware that birth control pills comprised of the hormones estrogen and progesterone can also make the body more susceptible to fungal infections. If antibiotics are prescribed, it acts as a double whammy to ensuring a fungal infection will take hold by diminishing the protective bacteria in the intestines. Many pregnant women seek medical treatment for minor problems and are indiscriminately given antibiotics and this begins a long decline into problems that are complicated at each turn by OBGYN doctors at birth and by pediatricians who just love to poison children with the toxic chemicals found in vaccines. In many places in the world they still give mercury shots at birth.

Microforms poison us with their waste products.

The waste products are acetylaldehyde, uric acid, alloxin, alcohols, lactic acid, etc.

Antibiotics may be to blame for hundreds of children developing autism after having the controversial MMR jab. More than two-thirds of youngsters with the condition received four or more antibiotics in their first year, a British survey has revealed. It is thought the drugs weakened their immune systems, leaving them unable to withstand the impact of the triple jab. Allopathic medicine has been stubborn and slow to look at its abusive use of antibiotics. It's the same with vaccines, the holy grail of medicine. But with last-line-of-defence antibiotics failing on increasingly drug-resistant superbugs and young children's systems being destroyed by them you would think they would wake up and find some alternatives.

Antibiotics are mostly derived from fungi and are therefore classified as mycotoxins. Mycotoxins Are Poisons.

created by charlatan on Mar 27, 2008 at 05:25:13 pm     Comments: 16

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Cancer and other illnesses ties to Genetically Modified Foods BIG TIME! (RWJF & Monsanto to Blame?)

On the late night radio talk show (website: www.coasttocoastam.com) there is a segment going about illnesses including cancer, over weight and allergies. It looks like we've all really been duped with the main causes of illness increases. That makes sense when it is known smoking is down and cancer (as an example) is up. Also said was the altered foods mimics a lot of illnesses also. It's a very detailed show and worth listening to IN FULL which can be done now by download thru Streamlink available there.

It was stated (paraphrase) what genetically modified foods means, what it is and what they do to alter foods along with what it is doing to people. You HAVE to hear this! One line in this explanation, the guest said that they use antibiotics in the food altering and then our foods make us resistent to antibiodics. Also that the chemical companies want us totally on THEIR foods. He said that it really got into our food chain in the middle 1990's. ADD is up, cancer is up, obese people are up, and a lot more was said that connects to this. There was talk to about Round Up (weed killer) being now IN our foods. Really, really, really - this show is a MUST to hear.

With what they are doing to 'we the people' it ties right in with smoke bans for controls. The guy is twisted on tobacco though and it is doubtful he knows who has paid for the bans, the studies, etc.

This guest comes on in the second hour of the show and is on for three hours and you do want to hear it all. You won't believe what is going on thanks to Monsanto and the other chemical companies !!!!!!!

The show is described as: Tue 03.25 >> Subsistence farmer in Hawaii who has studied alternative agriculture, Jon Biloon will discuss the dangers of genetically modified foods and how agri-business is robbing individuals of health, spirituality and sovereignty.

I did a Google search for 'monsanto robert wood johnson' and came up with 167,000 websites. (There's other chemical companies involved too.)
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=monsanto+robert+wood+johnson

Anyone that downloads the show, please share with others!
Download and CD it.
Hour 2, 3, 4: http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2008/03/25.html
About Streamlink: http://www.coasttocoastam.com/streamlink/about.html

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Breeding illness! This goes beyond additives! Read all and slowly.

Is this the key we’ve been missing with the pharma funded smoke bans and where illness increases and more are REALLY coming from? We know oil is a culprit, but think on this one and WHY would they be doing this. This leads to a ‘Got Ya’ in all directions with what you do and do not ‘intake’.

Robert Wood Johnson and Genetically Modified Food
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=robert+wood+johnson+genetically+modified+food

Robert Wood Johnson genetically modified food and illness
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=robert+wood+johnson+genetically+modified+food+illness

Syngenta Robert Wood Johnson
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Syngenta+robert+wood+johnson

Dangers of genetically altered foods
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=dangers+of+genetically+altered+foods

Today, consumers are kept in the dark and are part of an uncontrolled, unregulated mass human experiment …. 80% of our foods …
http://www.countercurrents.org/lendman260208.htm

One ADDITIVE INTO the Genetics:
Finally, there is also one indirect health risk that arises from herbicide
and pest resistant GE crops which must be taken into account but which has
not adequately been addressed by the regulators. There is no data presented
as to the fate of the herbicide or pesticide within the plant. Does it
remain stable within the plant tissues? If it is degraded, what are the
products that are produced and what health risks do they pose? Higher
levels of herbicide are clearly expected to be present since Monsanto
applied (and was granted both in the USA and Europe), that the permitted
residual levels of Roundup in their Roundup Ready range of GE crops (soya,
maize, sugar beet, oilseed rape) be increased from 6mg to 20mg per kilogram
dry weight.
http://www.organicconsumers.org/ge/geNoDNA.htm

During the last five years, several multinational chemical and drug companies – including Monsanto and Syngenta (formerly Novartis/Astra-Zeneca/Ciba-Geigy) – have quietly altered our food supply in an alarming way. Genes from bacteria, viruses, foreign plants and animals have been inserted into corn, soybeans, potatoes, tomatoes, squash, and papayas. These corporations plan to "genetically engineer" almost 100% of our food within a decade. Already about 40% of the soybeans, 20% of the corn, and a percentage of the potatoes grown in the U.S. and about 50% of the canola (rapeseed) plants in Canada have been genetically altered.

These companies have influenced US and Canadian regulatory agencies to allow these grains to be grown, mixed with non-altered grains, and sold without any labeling, even though they have been shown to be harmful to the environment and have not undergone even a single human health safety test. More than 60% of the packaged food items in US grocery stores contain genetically altered ingredients. We are now all experimental animals in a huge biological experiment involving the food we eat every day.

What Have They Done to Our Food?
Scientists at these companies have learned how to insert genes from plants, animals, bacteria, and viruses into any other plant or animal. For instance, Monsanto has inserted foreign genes into soybeans, corn, and canola (rapeseed) that allows farmers to spray the crops with Monsanto’s toxic Roundup weed killer without killing the plant. They have inserted a gene from an insect-killing bacterium called BT into corn so that every cell of the plant has activated BT toxin in it.

An Unprecedented Threat
In the rush to commercialize and profit from these "inventions," these companies have exposed consumers and the environment to an unprecedented threat:
The genes inserted into these grains cause the plant to create new, foreign proteins, never before seen in nature. There has never been any long-term animal or human testing to determine whether the new proteins can cause allergies or other adverse effects. Instead, the companies got FDA officials to declare them to be "substantially equivalent" to non-altered grains, even though, behind the scenes, FDA scientists disagreed. Allergy research doctors in England have seen a dramatic rise in soybean allergy, and suspect a reaction to the new foreign protein. In the case of BT corn and potatoes, European researchers have recently found that activated BT toxin, now found in genetically altered corn and potatoes, can cause cell damage in mammals.
The pollen of these plants also contains the foreign genes. Pollen is carried far and wide by wind and bees. It can pollinate and transfer its altered genes to non-altered crops and similar wild plants – biologically contaminating them – thus creating new species (nicknamed Superweeds). BT toxin in corn and potatoes and their pollen kills non-target and beneficial insects such as ladybugs, lacewings, and butterflies. A Cornell University study published in Nature showed how the new corn pollen kills Monarch butterflies.
Both Monsanto and Syngenta have developed "Terminator" genes that will create plants that sterilize their own seeds, forcing farmers to buy seeds from the companies every year. This threatens subsistence farming in developing countries, where farmers have saved and traded seeds for thousands of years. It also threatens the world's ecosystems if the genes for sterility are transferred to wild plants.
Monsanto claims that the new crops have higher yields, and that genetic engineering is the only way to feed a hungry world. But university trials of these grains show that the crop yields are no better -- and in some cases are far worse -- than ordinary seeds. The only driving force behind this technology is profit for a few multinational companies who seem willing to compromise health, safety, and the environment.

posted by starling02 on Mar 27, 2008 at 05:34:42 pm     #



Although there is nothing on the horizon to halt the development of antiobiotic resistant pathogens, there is some hope of halting the spread. In 2009 Medicare will no longer pay hospitals for the cost of treating hospital incurred infections (and some other significant hospital induced medical mishaps). The hospital is forbidden from billing the patient for these unreimbursed services. If an infection is not documented as present on admission than it will be considered hospital bourn. Major health insurance companies are expected to follow suit. There will be a huge sea change in how hospitals manage infection control when they have to foot the bills. The Federal government is also implementing mandated reporting of hospital infections.

posted by holland on Mar 27, 2008 at 05:44:59 pm     #



It's amazing how fast antibiotic resistance is developing. What's even more amazing, though, is how slowly antibiotic development is progressing. There is no money to be made in antibiotics anymore, so we aren't seeing pharmaceutical companies developing them like they were 30 years ago. What physicians have turned to is increasing the doses of current antibiotics to levels that bacteria are still sensitive or prescribing antibiotics with a much greater risk profile.

But what are physicians and the public supposed to do about antibiotic resistance? Not treat sensitive strains of bacteria our of fear of resistance strains developing? Of course not, because we'd see our complications and death rates skyrocket. We've got to face the problem head-on and develop more targeted therapies and more alternatives to fight off infection. We're a few billion years ahead of our prokaryotic nemesis in evolution. Surely we can outsmart them.

In 2009 Medicare will no longer pay hospitals for the cost of treating hospital incurred infections

Medicare will continue to pay for these infections, just not directly. The money to treat these patients has to come from somewhere. The nurses, doctors, custodians, and other hospital workers don't work for free, and the antibiotics used to treat these patients for sure don't come for free. If Medicare doesn't increase payments in other areas to make up this difference then you'll see surgeons and internists not accepting Medicare patients because a certain percentage of them will turn into uncompensated care.

posted by HeyHey on Mar 27, 2008 at 08:37:56 pm     #



Well get ready, because that train is coming into the station.

In the true spirit of the law of unintended consequences, I believe that hospitals will intentionally withhold treatment from a certain patient population with hospital incurred infections since there will be no financial incentive to do so. Quite simply, they will let them die.

posted by holland on Mar 27, 2008 at 09:03:06 pm     #



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That's negligence. It will result in a few individual lawsuits, then class action lawsuits.... Quite the financial incentive to give people cheapo pills or whatever will keep them from suing.

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They are plenty of natural antibiotics that protect plants from bacteria and whatnot. They are also dirt cheap and readily available. But there's no incentive to educate the public about a 10 cent cure when health insurers, health care professionals, and drug companies all prefer to take part of your paycheck.
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If people took their health seriously, they'd change their eating habits, play habits, addictions, etc. But most people really don't seem to care and they "can't" change.

Hospitals, doctors, insurance are almost completely unnecessary to people who take care of themselves.

posted by charlatan on Mar 27, 2008 at 09:28:25 pm     #



They are plenty of natural antibiotics that protect plants from bacteria and whatnot. They are also dirt cheap and readily available.

Antibiotic resistance affects the "natural" antiobiotics as well. In fact, I would argue that naturally occurring antibiotics have a higher level of resistance than man-made antibiotics. Just look at penicillin for proof. The battle between bacteria and antibiotics has been going on for eons of time. It didn't just appear in the 40s when humans began to manipulate a bacteria's ability to live.

In the true spirit of the law of unintended consequences, I believe that hospitals will intentionally withhold treatment from a certain patient population with hospital incurred infections since there will be no financial incentive to do so. Quite simply, they will let them die.

If the scenario went far enough, you're exactly right. People don't work for nothing (forgive the double negative), and if they aren't getting paid for their time then they won't show up. Of course, that's not good for the innocent patient caught in the middle of this tug-of-war between hospitals and the government. Fortunately I don't think it will get to that point. Society won't allow it to get there; we will fork over the money to keep it from happening. Healthcare is a set cost for the US at this point, and operating margins are razor thin for most hospitals. If the government cuts payments for "preventable" infections (in reality most of these infections are not preventable) then you'll see a corresponding cut in services provided.

An interesting idea to consider, however, is whether or not hospitals are required to take care of a patient knowing that no reimbursement for care is coming. In medicine a "fiduciary" agreement is often spoke of which includes a give and take from both the provider and the patient. If that "give" is absent from the patient because their representative (medicare) won't pay, does the hospital, doctor, and nurse have a responsibility to that patient? If so, does that mean every hospital, nurse, and doctor must take care of every patient in need of their services regardless of that person's willingness to pay?

And I don't mean to come across as saying hospitals are greedy and don't care about patients, because they're not. Hospitals don't exist to make money (there are some for-profit exceptions to this rule, but none in this part of the country), they exist to heal patients. However, in order to heal patients long-term a hospital can't lose money.

posted by HeyHey on Mar 27, 2008 at 10:11:00 pm     #



So, are you saying then that the current level of hospital incurred infections is acceptable and unavoidable? Hence a patient plays the MRSA or VRE lottery? The other significant part of this Medicare paradigm shift is the collection and reporting of infection rates. It is obvious which hospital an informed patient population would choose. I have to have a ganglion cyst removed in a few days. I questioned the surgeon today about the infection rate at the hospital where he practices. He was offended. He also said the rates were at an acceptable level. I responded that from this patient's perspective there was no acceptable level. We did not part on good terms. I may choose another surgeon. I've had a hospital MRSA (last year) and my neighbor is in Hospice, near death, from a hospital VRE. Something has to change.

posted by holland on Mar 27, 2008 at 10:40:21 pm     #



Acceptable in the sense that we should be complacent and discontinue our endeavor to decrease infection rates? No. But infections are unavoidable and part of medicine. You can have perfect surgical technique and do everything "right" and a surgeon will still have wound infections. For the ICU patient that is on a ventilator for a month after a car accident with multiple venous and arterial lines as well as chest tubes, surgical drains, and Foley catheters in place I'm not going to blame the nursing staff when that patient develops a bacterial infection. Every time one of those instruments is inserted (and everyday they remain in place) there's a risk of infection, but the alternative is to go without and have the patient die because of an inability to treat. Preventing infection is not as easy as Medicare is making it sound. If it were we would have overcome nosocomial infections years ago.

The problem with measuring infection rates between hospitals and between surgeons is that you're comparing apples to oranges. For example, you can't compare University of Toledo Medical Center's infection rate to Flower Hospital's infection rate because of the types of surgeries and acuity of patient at the two hospitals. UT is the academic referral center for our region, they transplant organs, they take trauma patients that only a couple of other hospitals would dare accept, and they have the sickest patients in the city, on average. So if you look up UT's infection rate and find that it is 5% and Flower's is 3%, then you might be inclined to go to Flower. However, what you don't realize is that a significant portion of UT's infections might be from severly immunosuppressed transplant patients, AIDS patients, or patients that no one else would operate on. To a certain extent this holds true for St V's and Toledo Hospital as well since they are the tertiary care hospitals for their respective health systems.

Hence a patient plays the MRSA or VRE lottery?

Yes. Every surgery, procedure, and medication we give has a potential for cure and a potential for morbidity and mortality. As a patient you have to weigh the relative risks and benefits of getting that operation/procedure/medication against the risk of not getting that operation/procedure/medication.

posted by HeyHey on Mar 28, 2008 at 12:34:08 am     #



Penicillin available nowadays is "semi-synthetic" (much like soap, most foodstuff, and drinkstuff as well). It is the most common of severe drug reactions.

As far as natural antibiotics, I was thinking oil of oregano, tea tree, garlic, onions... They also cure mundane conversation via deep exhalation.
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As far as cysts, I was reading that injecting iodine into them liquefies them and prevents their return. But that's something you may want to take up with your doctor, pastor, or whoever is the ultimate health authority in your life. Or you can google it, I don't think there's any complications possible from that.

Or just amazon "iodine". It's interesting to health conscious peeps.

posted by charlatan on Mar 28, 2008 at 04:05:49 am     #



I is understood that there are always risks. However, today, the patient does not know how high the risk of an infection really is. Sometime in 2009 or 2010 they will have that information and they will naturally choose institutions who better manage those risks. The hand surgeon should not have been offended that I asked the infection rate - if he knew it. How otherwise could I, or any patient make an informed decision? It is not enough to stick a surgical consent form in fromt of a patient and say "sign here, here and here" when quantifiable risk evaluations are withheld. You are saying in the apples and oranges comparison that those institutions can't in the future reduce or prevent infections to any greater degree than they do now because of who and what they treat. It also sets up the expectation that rates could actually increase. All the more reason a patient would rationally choose a hospital with a lower risk level. Patients today do NOT know the true risk level. The medical profession is fast to waive that signed "informed" consent form in front of the patient to remind them when things have gone wrong that they have no recourse. In truth the patient wasn't really, truly informed.

As it stands today, with infection control, the hospitals have it both ways. They get a free pass through the consent form from any liability and they don't have to predisclose to the patient what the true liability risks are. No matter how much you rationalize it, or dislike it, this change is going to happen. Patients like me are going to ask hard questions and expect honest answers to make truly informed decisions.

I'm not even going to allow a stethoscope on my chest that hasn't been cleaned first. I don't want to see a tie hanging out that could have dragged across another patient. At South Pointe Hospital, Cleveland, in the pre-op area I saw a nurse dump a cart of IV setups over to the floor. Those setups were placed back on the cart and put into use. Not one nurse ever washed her hands when she went from one patient to another when IV needles were inserted and bags hung. The nurse who put in my IV wore no gloves. I later learned that the pre-op Vancomycin wasn't started until I was under anesthesia. Was that within sufficient time? I don't know. I accepted all these things without thinking. No More.

posted by holland on Mar 28, 2008 at 08:31:46 am     #



Charlatan. Looks like the iodine thing is a no go. Appreciate the effort though.

From Medline
"Until recently, sclerotherapy was considered a quick and effective method of treatment. Among the sclerosants infused were Morton fluid, iodine and carbolic acid, sodium morrhuate, ethanolamine, sodium tetradecyl, and polidocanol. Sclerotherapy is now considered a dangerous approach because of the potential for extravasation of the chemical into the joint or tendon sheath."

posted by holland on Mar 28, 2008 at 08:58:27 am     #



It's equine medicine that uses iodine sclerotherapy.

People love their horses more than anything and don't put up with the BS of modern human medicine based on huckster scientism rather than science.

There's a few books and doctors that insist iodine is a miracle and that deficiency causes thyroid issues, obesity, tumors...

Iodine is an essential nutrient. I don't think polidocanol and the like are.

posted by charlatan on Mar 29, 2008 at 06:26:21 pm     #



"I accepted all these things without thinking. No More."

You kind of gotta do your own research and legwork with everything. Competent professionals are oftentimes neither.

posted by charlatan on Mar 29, 2008 at 06:32:24 pm     #



Speaking of research you can directly compare local hospitals for many criteria, including how well they follow infection prevention protocols, at this gov web site. UTMC is the worst, by a good distance. Some area hospitals are above the national average, but not them.

http://www.hospitalcompare.hhs.gov/Hospital/Search/Welcome.asp?version=default&browser=IE%7C7%7CWinXP&language=English&defaultstatus=0&pagelist=Home

posted by holland on Mar 29, 2008 at 07:07:03 pm     #



UTMC is the worst, by a good distance.

Just curious, but what criteria are you using? I just compared UTMC to Toledo Hospital and St V's and the three are essentially equivalent in all areas.

The only area that I see a significantly lower rating is for "preventative antibiotics given one hour before surgery." UTMC was 57%, TTH was 78%, and St V's was 90%. But I'm not necessarily sure that's a bad thing. There are many surgeries for which antibiotics are not needed, so giving antibiotics would put the patient at a heightened risk for anaphylaxis, bacterial resistance, and nephro/oto/hepato-toxicity (depending on the drug given).

If you're using some other analysis that I'm not finding let me know, but I just don't see a big difference between those three hospitals.

posted by HeyHey on Mar 31, 2008 at 02:02:23 am     #



I'll stick with my vet.

posted by charlatan on Mar 31, 2008 at 09:49:47 pm     #