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Susan Block calling out John Block in Blade comments...

She's also duking it out a little with Tanya Irwin, the dog reporter.

If you're curious, take a look now before some of the comments disappear.

http://www.toledoblade.com/local/2013/09/02/Once-adoptable-Schultz-killed-to-shock-of-many.html

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Susan Allan Block

My family adopted 2 dogs from MA Humane Societies and most recently my husband, Allan Block, and I adopted a pot bellied pig that TAHS made us aware of at the Crawford County Humane Society. John Block has never adopted an animal from any shelter, yet he's the judge and jury for all things animal (especially basset hound related)! The slant of this article was intentional and and based on personal bias.

posted by mom2 on Sep 02, 2013 at 12:56:26 pm     #  

I missed the best comment of all. I thought this was an odd display of public chastising. I had to re-read the name of the poster to be sure it was who I thought it was.

posted by SherryET on Sep 02, 2013 at 01:38:03 pm     #  

At first I was going to make a generic "you never really know who is behind the Facebook account," but it looks legit. Spammers and scammers rarely work to create fake accounts with hundreds of FB friends, including lots of local peeps and detailed life info. If her FB account fake, it is an awfully elaborate ruse.

posted by historymike on Sep 02, 2013 at 02:44:19 pm     #   1 person liked this

I think it's probably legit.

posted by madjack on Sep 02, 2013 at 06:13:39 pm     #   1 person liked this

Must have made the Labor Day picnic awkward.

posted by max on Sep 02, 2013 at 06:48:56 pm     #   2 people liked this

max posted at 07:48:56 PM on Sep 02, 2013:

Must have made the Labor Day picnic awkward.

Not unless Cyrus was there.

posted by justread on Sep 02, 2013 at 06:52:37 pm     #  

Ha ha!

I just noticed on Susan Block's Facebook page that she publically chastised the cartoonist and opinion editor of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette in July.

Does anyone else find it inappropriate for the boss's wife to publically denounce employees in online comments? Does it make a difference that Block Communications is a media organization? Should she be held to some reasonable standard of civility and treatment of employees?

The more I see, the more oddly fascinating I find it.

Excerpt from her FB page...

Susan Allan Block commented on a link.

July 15.

This cartoon is completely irresponsible! I'm ashamed at Rob Rogers, as well as the Opinion Editor who allowed this to be published!

posted by mom2 on Sep 02, 2013 at 07:41:15 pm     #  

Does anyone else find it inappropriate for the boss's wife to publically denounce employees in online comments?
Yes.

posted by justread on Sep 02, 2013 at 07:45:46 pm     #   5 people liked this

Another one (cut and pasted verbatim):

Susan Allan Block commented on a link.

November 4, 2012.

Allan has ALWAYS been a Repulican and has NEVER agreed with the liberal slant of The Blade's editorials.

posted by mom2 on Sep 02, 2013 at 07:52:38 pm     #  

This Babs article could help those trying to follow along:

http://www.toledoblade.com/BarbaraHendel/2011/03/13/Friends-family-toast-nuptials-of-Allan-Block-and-Susan-Pond.html

posted by justread on Sep 02, 2013 at 08:06:12 pm     #  

It just occurred to me that the Facebook account might be a joint account for Susan & Allan Block.

At first, I thought perhaps her maiden name could have been Allan, and it was just a coincidence that she married a man named Allan.

However, according to the media coverage regarding the marriage, her maiden name was Susan Jeanne Pond.

(Unless she changed her middle name to Allan after the wedding, which would be an odd thing to do.)

posted by mom2 on Sep 02, 2013 at 08:06:56 pm     #   1 person liked this

I think the brothers should switch places. Maybe the Blade could become more conservative and John could run Buckeye Cable into the ground.

posted by SherryET on Sep 02, 2013 at 10:19:33 pm     #  

SherryET posted at 11:19:33 PM on Sep 02, 2013:

I think the brothers should switch places. Maybe the Blade could become more conservative and John could run Buckeye Cable into the ground.

Or the Blocks could just go away and let some quality company (or companies) come in and fill the void left behind.

posted by JustaSooner on Sep 03, 2013 at 01:58:43 am     #   6 people liked this

The Susan Block comments have been removed.

But what about the Tanya Irwin comment? Should a reporter be giving an opinion about her own story? WTH ever happened to impartial journalism??

Or, right. The Blade and dead dogs. That's what happened.

posted by Anniecski on Sep 03, 2013 at 08:41:28 am     #  

Did you seriously put "impartial journalism" and "The Blade" in the same post? :)

posted by JustaSooner on Sep 03, 2013 at 09:16:14 am     #   2 people liked this

_Or the Blocks could just go away and let some quality company (or companies) come in and fill the void left behind.

! posted by JustaSooner on Sep 03, 2013 at 02:58:43 am_

Much better idea.

posted by SherryET on Sep 03, 2013 at 09:46:22 am     #  

Absolutely SherryET!

Let's ask those Block's to leave Toledo...along with the millions of dollars in charitable support they give to Toledo organizations.

And while we're at it! Why don't we ask them to take the hundreds of millions of dollars of investments and jobs that they and their companies provide to the city!

In my opinion, which you obviously agree with, Toledo would be just fine with just Toledo Free Press and toast.net!

posted by RadioRadio on Sep 03, 2013 at 03:49:29 pm     #  

RadioRadio posted at 04:49:29 PM on Sep 03, 2013:

Absolutely SherryET!

Let's ask those Block's to leave Toledo...along with the millions of dollars in charitable support they give to Toledo organizations.

And while we're at it! Why don't we ask them to take the hundreds of millions of dollars of investments and jobs that they and their companies provide to the city!

In my opinion, which you obviously agree with, Toledo would be just fine with just Toledo Free Press and toast.net!

Why hello Mr. Block...

posted by oldhometown on Sep 03, 2013 at 03:51:20 pm     #   6 people liked this

I calls em like I sees em.

The Block's catch a lot of flak from the chattering class, but the family has been an economic powerhouse in Toledo for generations. A lot of credit is due for their good work in the community.

posted by RadioRadio on Sep 03, 2013 at 04:54:30 pm     #  

Really?

Christ, I laughed so hard I forgot my point.

My apologies, RadioRadio.

posted by BrianInFlorida on Sep 03, 2013 at 05:04:33 pm     #   2 people liked this

RadioRadio posted at 05:54:30 PM on Sep 03, 2013:

I calls em like I sees em.

The Block's catch a lot of flak from the chattering class, but the family has been an economic powerhouse in Toledo for generations. A lot of credit is due for their good work in the community.

By "community," do you mean Pittsburgh, Pebble Beach, Sylvania, Santa Barbara or Vancouver?

I am not aware of any Toledo Blocks.

posted by justread on Sep 03, 2013 at 05:13:50 pm     #  

Three observations: Flak in the form of criticism is a by-product of an open society with strong First Amendment rules. Some are valid and a great deal is simple blowing off steam. Second this is a classless society and by God all Americans should fight to the finish to retain that distinction. Third many economic powerhouses have come and gone in northwest Ohio over time, some with great contribution to the common good and some not so altruistic. The measurement of a corporate sponsor is that no thanks are required.

posted by Mariner on Sep 03, 2013 at 05:18:15 pm     #   4 people liked this

justread posted at 06:13:50 PM on Sep 03, 2013:
RadioRadio posted at 05:54:30 PM on Sep 03, 2013:

I calls em like I sees em.

The Block's catch a lot of flak from the chattering class, but the family has been an economic powerhouse in Toledo for generations. A lot of credit is due for their good work in the community.

By "community," do you mean Pittsburgh, Pebble Beach, Sylvania, Santa Barbara or Vancouver?

I am not aware of any Toledo Blocks.

What about the one at 541 N. Superior?

posted by RadioRadio on Sep 03, 2013 at 05:48:47 pm     #  

RadioRadio posted at 04:49:29 PM on Sep 03, 2013:

Absolutely SherryET!

Let's ask those Block's to leave Toledo...along with the millions of dollars in charitable support they give to Toledo organizations.

And while we're at it! Why don't we ask them to take the hundreds of millions of dollars of investments and jobs that they and their companies provide to the city!

In my opinion, which you obviously agree with, Toledo would be just fine with just Toledo Free Press and toast.net!

Charitable donations aside...everything else would likely be replaced near 1 for 1.

Buckeye goes to Time Warner, Cox, Comcast, etc. They still will need local service techs and installers. Call center staff would probably be retained to a point - if not grown as long as they provide friendly costs.

The Blade would be sold to a larger publisher. They would still need local printing options and staff. So a lot of those folks aren't going anywhere.

What else do they really have that is worth anything? Maybe a couple local cable channels they do themselves that can easily replaced or removed because they serve little purpose.

At the end of the day what do they actually provide to the area that CANNOT be handled by someone else?

posted by JustaSooner on Sep 03, 2013 at 05:53:09 pm     #   4 people liked this

RadioRadio posted at 06:48:47 PM on Sep 03, 2013:
justread posted at 06:13:50 PM on Sep 03, 2013:
RadioRadio posted at 05:54:30 PM on Sep 03, 2013:

I calls em like I sees em.

The Block's catch a lot of flak from the chattering class, but the family has been an economic powerhouse in Toledo for generations. A lot of credit is due for their good work in the community.

By "community," do you mean Pittsburgh, Pebble Beach, Sylvania, Santa Barbara or Vancouver?

I am not aware of any Toledo Blocks.

What about the one at 541 N. Superior?

The owners, who inhereted it from their father, who inhereted it from his father, don't live there.

posted by justread on Sep 03, 2013 at 05:57:42 pm     #  

I feel it necessary to note that charitable contributions, inheritance taxes, income tax revenue, and all the heavy over-head of a major corporation cannot be "set aside." They are the cost of doing business and should not be negated. The community as a whole benefits by long term stable employers.

posted by Mariner on Sep 03, 2013 at 06:06:27 pm     #   3 people liked this

justread posted at 06:57:42 PM on Sep 03, 2013:
RadioRadio posted at 06:48:47 PM on Sep 03, 2013:
justread posted at 06:13:50 PM on Sep 03, 2013:
RadioRadio posted at 05:54:30 PM on Sep 03, 2013:

I calls em like I sees em.

The Block's catch a lot of flak from the chattering class, but the family has been an economic powerhouse in Toledo for generations. A lot of credit is due for their good work in the community.

By "community," do you mean Pittsburgh, Pebble Beach, Sylvania, Santa Barbara or Vancouver?

I am not aware of any Toledo Blocks.

What about the one at 541 N. Superior?

The owners, who inhereted it from their father, who inhereted it from his father, don't live there.

Oh! You're talking about residency! I'm so silly! I thought we were talking about the business; with employees who have careers, own their homes, and send their kids to college.

But by all means, you're right. The Block's don't live downtown. Silly, silly me.

posted by RadioRadio on Sep 03, 2013 at 06:06:55 pm     #  

In my opinion, which you obviously agree with, Toledo would be just fine with just Toledo Free Press and toast.net!

! posted by RadioRadio on Sep 03, 2013 at 04:49:29 pm

This is your opinion? Really?

posted by SherryET on Sep 03, 2013 at 06:18:59 pm     #   2 people liked this

RadioRadio posted at 07:06:55 PM on Sep 03, 2013:
justread posted at 06:57:42 PM on Sep 03, 2013:
RadioRadio posted at 06:48:47 PM on Sep 03, 2013:
justread posted at 06:13:50 PM on Sep 03, 2013:
RadioRadio posted at 05:54:30 PM on Sep 03, 2013:

I calls em like I sees em.

The Block's catch a lot of flak from the chattering class, but the family has been an economic powerhouse in Toledo for generations. A lot of credit is due for their good work in the community.

By "community," do you mean Pittsburgh, Pebble Beach, Sylvania, Santa Barbara or Vancouver?

I am not aware of any Toledo Blocks.

What about the one at 541 N. Superior?

The owners, who inhereted it from their father, who inhereted it from his father, don't live there.

Oh! You're talking about residency! I'm so silly! I thought we were talking about the business; with employees who have careers, own their homes, and send their kids to college.

But by all means, you're right. The Block's don't live downtown. Silly, silly me.

We weren't discussing the employees.

Read slower.

posted by justread on Sep 03, 2013 at 06:29:10 pm     #   3 people liked this

justread posted at 07:29:10 PM on Sep 03, 2013:
RadioRadio posted at 07:06:55 PM on Sep 03, 2013:
justread posted at 06:57:42 PM on Sep 03, 2013:
RadioRadio posted at 06:48:47 PM on Sep 03, 2013:
justread posted at 06:13:50 PM on Sep 03, 2013:
RadioRadio posted at 05:54:30 PM on Sep 03, 2013:

I calls em like I sees em.

The Block's catch a lot of flak from the chattering class, but the family has been an economic powerhouse in Toledo for generations. A lot of credit is due for their good work in the community.

By "community," do you mean Pittsburgh, Pebble Beach, Sylvania, Santa Barbara or Vancouver?

I am not aware of any Toledo Blocks.

What about the one at 541 N. Superior?

The owners, who inhereted it from their father, who inhereted it from his father, don't live there.

Oh! You're talking about residency! I'm so silly! I thought we were talking about the business; with employees who have careers, own their homes, and send their kids to college.

But by all means, you're right. The Block's don't live downtown. Silly, silly me.

We weren't discussing the employees.

Read slower.

Silly, silly me AGAIN! Hahahaha. Oh, well I've been talking about them the whole thread! You got me!

posted by RadioRadio on Sep 03, 2013 at 06:35:07 pm     #  

No, you actually weren't talking about employees. You were talking about the family.
Here's your post that began this little exhange:

The Block's catch a lot of flak from the chattering class, but the family has been an economic powerhouse in Toledo for generations. A lot of credit is due for their good work in the community.

I don't actually blame them for spending as little time in Toledo as possible, by the way.

posted by justread on Sep 03, 2013 at 06:39:02 pm     #  

justread posted at 07:39:02 PM on Sep 03, 2013:

No, you actually weren't talking about employees. You were talking about the family.
Here's your post that began this little exhange:

The Block's catch a lot of flak from the chattering class, but the family has been an economic powerhouse in Toledo for generations. A lot of credit is due for their good work in the community.

I don't actually blame them for spending as little time in Toledo as possible, by the way.

The Block's catch a lot of flak from the chattering class, but the family has been an economic powerhouse in Toledo for generations. A lot of credit is due for their good work in the community.

emphasis ours

posted by RadioRadio on Sep 03, 2013 at 06:42:17 pm     #  

Generation 1: German rag picker makes good. Really freaking good. Like Carnegie, Hearst, good.

Generation 2: Son of German immigrant attends Yale and gets a doctorate in organic chemistry. For years, he was the world's only source of synthetic thryroid hormones. He was instrumental in establishing the Medical College of Ohio, was actually involved in Toledo civic activities and development and in his spare time was a publisher.

Generation 3: Enter the twins, at the time of Paul Jr.'s death, Allan was the director of marketing for Buckeye and John was assistant managing editor at The Blade. Enter: The Trust.

Now, in this day and age, being a trust fund kid is not what it used to be. Or what it was in 1999, when Allan spent weekends in New York looking for a suitable mate:
http://observer.com/1999/08/allan-block-is-worth-more-than-100-million-and-hes-seeking-a-wife-in-new-york/

posted by justread on Sep 03, 2013 at 07:00:39 pm     #  

justread posted at 08:00:39 PM on Sep 03, 2013:

Generation 1: German rag picker makes good. Really freaking good. Like Carnegie, Hearst, good.

Generation 2: Son of German immigrant attends Yale and gets a doctorate in organic chemistry. For years, he was the world's only source of synthetic thryroid hormones. He was instrumental in establishing the Medical College of Ohio, was actually involved in Toledo civic activities and development and in his spare time was a publisher.

Generation 3: Enter the twins, at the time of Paul Jr.'s death, Allan was the director of marketing for Buckeye and John was assistant managing editor at The Blade. Enter: The Trust.

Now, in this day and age, being a trust fund kid is not what it used to be. Or what it was in 1999, when Allan spent weekends in New York looking for a suitable mate:
http://observer.com/1999/08/allan-block-is-worth-more-than-100-million-and-hes-seeking-a-wife-in-new-york/

Why hello and thank you for the history lesson Mr. Block...

;)

posted by RadioRadio on Sep 03, 2013 at 07:05:28 pm     #  

justread posted at 08:00:39 PM on Sep 03, 2013:

Generation 1: German rag picker makes good. Really freaking good. Like Carnegie, Hearst, good.

Generation 2: Son of German immigrant attends Yale and gets a doctorate in organic chemistry. For years, he was the world's only source of synthetic thryroid hormones. He was instrumental in establishing the Medical College of Ohio, was actually involved in Toledo civic activities and development and in his spare time was a publisher.

Generation 3: Enter the twins, at the time of Paul Jr.'s death, Allan was the director of marketing for Buckeye and John was assistant managing editor at The Blade. Enter: The Trust.

Now, in this day and age, being a trust fund kid is not what it used to be. Or what it was in 1999, when Allan spent weekends in New York looking for a suitable mate:
http://observer.com/1999/08/allan-block-is-worth-more-than-100-million-and-hes-seeking-a-wife-in-new-york/

What a bizarre article. Thank you for sharing it.

posted by clt212 on Sep 03, 2013 at 07:09:18 pm     #   1 person liked this

jr needs to run wireshark to see if we have a poser or the genuine article.

posted by Mariner on Sep 03, 2013 at 07:27:17 pm     #  

I don't have any idea how much time he spends in town, but Allan Block and his wife have a house on Tantara (off Sylvania) that backs up to Camp Miakonda.

http://www.toledoblade.com/Our-Town-Home-Sylvania/2013/04/18/Relaxing-with-friends-food-1%20(Copy).html

posted by Ace_Face on Sep 03, 2013 at 08:03:49 pm     #  

Ok, I stand corrected.

I thought that the former Knight home (interesting joint, been in it) on Tantara was in Sylvania. It is Toledo. Maybe not by the TPS definition...

http://www.trulia.com/homes/Ohio/Toledo/sold/21603404-4145-Tantara-Rd-Toledo-OH-43623

posted by justread on Sep 03, 2013 at 08:07:13 pm     #  

Tantara is in Sylvania Township, I believe. Same as all those homes on Corey Rd. It's definitely Sylvania schools.

The Barry's Bagels guy had that house up for sale forever. I hadn't realized it was purchased by one of the Blocks.

Anyhow, I remember seeing the listing when the house was up for sale, and it was certainly being marketed as a Sylvania home.

posted by mom2 on Sep 03, 2013 at 08:16:12 pm     #  

The Block's catch a lot of flak from the chattering class, but the family has been an economic powerhouse in Toledo for generations.

Does that give Susan Block the right to publically rebuke employees on the Blade's Facebook page?

I suspect Block Communications would say no, considering that her comments were pulled.

I hope those employees were given an apology.

posted by mom2 on Sep 03, 2013 at 08:19:14 pm     #   3 people liked this

LOL at the naive people who thought they'd get real journalism from the Blade.

Toledo will continue to fail as long as it allows the same people to control them. The Blocks are a part of that.

posted by MikeyA on Sep 04, 2013 at 12:49:42 am     #   2 people liked this

I'm surprised so many of you think that a)The Blade is failing (more than other mid market newspapers) b) The Blocks have anything to do with any of it.

First, that was just a bizarre article about Allan. Second, The Blade does ok, relative to what is going on in the newspaper market. Oh, you thought relevant, important journalism sells papers? well, sometimes it does, like the gang reporting, which everyone killed them over. Sometimes they create stories that aren't really important, like the Seneca Courthouse. Sometimes they do a witch hunt and actually take down corrupt figure, like Mr Noe. But most of all, they try like hell to sell papers. They stumbled across a ton of outrage in the community with the ridiculous dog warden thing a few years ago, and that must have created some peak in a graph somewhere. So now, names like "Cheerio" are spoken about like we all know that tragic tale. The Blade while fairly annoying, isn't quite the New York Post. It's also not quite the New York Times. It's somewhere in the middle, probably a dying breed that is thankfully owned by a very wealthy family that happens to care that it continues to exist and for some reason, even though they are viewed as pariahs, feel connected to Toledo.

posted by ahmahler on Sep 04, 2013 at 06:02:41 am     #   2 people liked this

I didn't think that the article was as bizarre as the comments made by the subject of the article.

posted by justread on Sep 04, 2013 at 06:21:58 am     #   5 people liked this

justread posted at 07:21:58 AM on Sep 04, 2013:

I didn't think that the article was as bizarre as the comments made by the subject of the article.

Correction: what he said.

posted by ahmahler on Sep 04, 2013 at 06:39:41 am     #  

I didn't think that the article was as bizarre as the comments made by the subject of the article.

Schulz the dog is the subject of the article, and I didn't see any comments by HIM.

justread, what you smokin'?

posted by Anniecski on Sep 04, 2013 at 08:27:14 am     #  

I don't smoke.

The rest of us were referring to this:
http://observer.com/1999/08/allan-block-is-worth-more-than-100-million-and-hes-seeking-a-wife-in-new-york/

Perhaps you missed or didn't read it.

posted by justread on Sep 04, 2013 at 08:30:12 am     #   2 people liked this

Oh, sorry, thought you were referring to the story first mentioned in this thread. Silly me.

posted by Anniecski on Sep 04, 2013 at 08:44:30 am     #  

No apology necessary. The conversation continued beyond the first post is all.

posted by justread on Sep 04, 2013 at 08:57:57 am     #  

just catching up on all of this...
looks like her FB account is gone. perhaps thats why her comments are no longer on the blade article?

posted by upso on Sep 04, 2013 at 09:25:10 am     #  

mom2 posted at 09:19:14 PM on Sep 03, 2013:

The Block's catch a lot of flak from the chattering class, but the family has been an economic powerhouse in Toledo for generations.

Does that give Susan Block the right to publically rebuke employees on the Blade's Facebook page?

I suspect Block Communications would say no, considering that her comments were pulled.

I hope those employees were given an apology.

If a reporter who is supposed to be impartial on the subject when writing about it gives a very long opinion on the matter, then why shouldn't anybody else be allowed to do the same? As somebody who studied journalism in college and dabbled in print journalism, I'm more outraged by the reporter's comments than by Susan Block's comments.

I have no problem with reporters having opinions, but put those opinions on your Twitter feed or your blog. This is supposed to be an article where facts are presented. Once Tanya Irwin wrote her very in-depth opinions on the article on the Blade's website after the story was posted, her journalistic integrity was shot.

posted by clt212 on Sep 04, 2013 at 09:52:42 am     #   2 people liked this

upso posted at 10:25:10 AM on Sep 04, 2013:

just catching up on all of this...
looks like her FB account is gone. perhaps thats why her comments are no longer on the blade article?

Yeah, she probably was told that it didn't look too good for the family, especially with the kind of stuff she was posting.

I'm still puzzled by Tanya Irwin posting her opinions on the article that was supposed to be impartial. I'm even more perplexed since she has a Blade blog (which she uses about once a month) and a Twitter account as avenues to give opinions on matters like Fluffy being put to sleep.

posted by clt212 on Sep 04, 2013 at 09:57:40 am     #  

Tanya Irwin's comments were posted in response to comments made by Susan Block.

Now that Susan Block's comments are deleted, it makes Tanya's comments look completely different.

Should Tanya have even bothered responding to Susan Block's comments on the thread? Probably not.

But, if the boss's wife is calling an employee out and publically chastising her, I can understand the employee feeling like she needs to explain and/or defend herself.

Bottom line - Tanya Irwin's comments never would have been made if Susan Block hadn't started with the inappropriate line of commentary.

Two wrongs don't make a right, of course. I just wish I would have taken a screen shot of the conversation when I had the chance.

posted by mom2 on Sep 04, 2013 at 04:16:01 pm     #   1 person liked this

I read the article the morning it was published on my iPhone app and the time stamps appeared to me that Tanya's, "I went to bed thinking about Schultz. I woke up thinking about Schultz..." comment that ripped the Humane Society and shredded any sort of impartiality appeared before any of Susan's comments. It's tough to tell now that Susan's comments have been deleted.

posted by clt212 on Sep 04, 2013 at 04:28:26 pm     #  

mom2 posted at 09:06:56 PM on Sep 02, 2013:

It just occurred to me that the Facebook account might be a joint account for Susan & Allan Block.

At first, I thought perhaps her maiden name could have been Allan, and it was just a coincidence that she married a man named Allan.

However, according to the media coverage regarding the marriage, her maiden name was Susan Jeanne Pond.

(Unless she changed her middle name to Allan after the wedding, which would be an odd thing to do.)

She DID change her name. (The address is that of her brother-in-law, who she commented on in her posts.)

http://www.toledolegalnews.com/index.php/noticenamechange/details/ref_index/9036

posted by justread on Sep 05, 2013 at 12:30:43 pm     #