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Found this old article, might make a good read, as it's a side you'll never hear or read about in the MSM. Was in a weekly gay publication.

http://www.philadelphiaweekly.com/view.php?id=11021

created by Darkseid on May 17, 2008 at 07:05:46 pm     Comments: 23

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I didn't know you were gat Dark.

How very.

posted by Ryan on May 17, 2008 at 10:30:09 pm     #  

gay

posted by Ryan on May 17, 2008 at 10:30:18 pm     #  

So much for intelligent conversation, I guess. you contribute nothing to this board, other than being a troll.

posted by Darkseid on May 17, 2008 at 11:33:49 pm     #  

Why do you not stay over at Swamp Bubbles, where the vast majority of hatemongers have went? You'll be happier there. I'm sure.

posted by Darkseid on May 18, 2008 at 03:13:42 am     #  

Is anyone else interested in intelligent discussion concerning the article?

posted by Darkseid on May 18, 2008 at 03:19:05 am     #  

Sure, as much as 63 yr old female could be I guess. I don't get it, but then I wouldn't would I. The only thing that strikes me is that this risky behaviour is done by the same people who want equal rights to marry. How do you meet someone for a life partner and build a relationship conducive to the committment traditional marriage (1 man and 1 woman) represents anonymously through the haze of drugs while engaging in sexual behaviour that could kill you? Gays want mainstream rights and respect and then turn around (no pun intended) and behave in a way which disgusts most straight folks.

One of my best friends in grade school and high school was gay. We grew up in the neighbor hood together. "Kelly" (now deceased) was noticably 'different' from the time he was 4 or 5 according to my mother. I didn't notice until I was in my teens when it kinda became obvious he didn't like girls and kinda walked funny. But he was a teriffic guy. My mother explained things to me around age 15 about homosexuality. Kelly and I stayed friends through high school, inspite of his ostricism by nearly all other classmates. I liked him. He was decent, caring, honest and he suffered mightily for something that was most definitely not his choice. We lost touch after I got married. I learned that he did find a life partner when in his thrities and he died in his late 50's of AIDS. Typical story. Complicated subject.

posted by holland on May 18, 2008 at 09:58:13 am     #  

LOL! Lighten up.

posted by Ryan on May 18, 2008 at 09:58:18 am     #  

Not you Holland - Dark.

posted by Ryan on May 18, 2008 at 09:59:50 am     #  

What about Toledo's own bath house? I know there are local health trucks that give free aids testings to local prostitutes on the street. Just wondered if they ever went to the bath house to offer such services to the men that frequent the establishment.

posted by ToledoLatina on May 18, 2008 at 01:50:15 pm     #  

We have one?

posted by holland on May 18, 2008 at 02:42:00 pm     #  

Years ago there was one in downtown Toledo on Summit Street.

I think that it was called:

The Diplomat Health Club

P.S. I worked for an addiction treatment center in the 90s.

posted by corky on May 18, 2008 at 10:43:10 pm     #  

Ahhh. The stories you could tell, and wont.

posted by holland on May 19, 2008 at 12:34:47 am     #  

The Diplomat is still located there. Right near the Friendly center and a daycare.

posted by ToledoLatina on May 19, 2008 at 06:49:19 am     #  

Not so different from the swingers clubs that were found around the country and of which Toledo had several, where straight people went to have random meaningless sex with lots of people (sometimes even exploring homosexual behavior if people were willing). Much like bathhouses the swingers clubs were often closed down for health violations.

posted by roygbiv on May 19, 2008 at 07:08:09 am     #  

I remember that era. I was taking a ceramics class ( to escape the trials of a stay-at- home mom) when one of my class mates invited me to attend one. At first I didn't fully comprehend what she was talking about. Then I was shocked. Then I was worried that anyone would think I would be interested in participating. I declined. After a fleeting nano-second of interest from my husband when I incredulously explained the invitation he didn't think it good idea either. Or so he said.

posted by holland on May 19, 2008 at 10:50:06 am     #  

Actually I bet there are still swingers clubs around Toledo as well as Bathhouse. you can usually shut them down for only a little while then they pop up again, some just go deeper underground. I know there are BDSM groups that get together in Toledo(not usually for sex) but they do engage in S&M activities together.

posted by roygbiv on May 19, 2008 at 05:01:07 pm     #  

Eeeeeww!

posted by holland on May 19, 2008 at 08:03:52 pm     #  

Oh yes, the stories I could tell ... but can't.

posted by corky on May 19, 2008 at 08:33:53 pm     #  

Holland said:
How do you meet someone for a life partner and build a relationship conducive to the committment traditional marriage (1 man and 1 woman) represents anonymously through the haze of drugs while engaging in sexual behaviour that could kill you? Gays want mainstream rights and respect and then turn around (no pun intended) and behave in a way which disgusts most straight folks.

Yeah.. because straight people never engage in sexual behavior while under the influance of drugs and/or alcohol, they never have multiple partners or do things that can kill you, including sex.

You do know that AIDS is not just a disease that gay people get right? Straight people get can also get infected with HIV through sexual conduct.

posted by OhioKat on May 20, 2008 at 05:21:19 pm     #  

I certainly do understand AIDS and I harbor absolutely no prejudice regarding this disease. Anonmymous sex, combined with illegal drug use in a quasi public setting is where I draw the line - straight or gay. You missed the point of my post. That kind of behaviour is not a public relations plus to advance the cause that gays are just like everybody else. Most people don't go shopping for a life partner in that venue.

Kelly was one of my best friends growing up. I knew he was gay. It was really, really obvious. He introduced me to the gay scene as a young adult. Although I'm straight, I loved their company. The old Ceasars Show Bar was a favorite weekend stop. We drifted apart but I kept in touch from time to time or mutual aquiantences would tell me how he was doing. I was saddend to hear that he had AIDS and that he succombed to it. He was a great guy. You can get off your soap box now because I don't need the speech.

posted by holland on May 20, 2008 at 07:39:13 pm     #  

Just to furthur clarify, did you notice that I definitely don't fall into that idiotic camp of people who believe that gays choose to be gay? They are BORN that way. It is not a disease or a behavioural problem or a choice. They should not be told to refrain from seeking out their own gender for sexual or other companionship. They should be able to marry. They should be able to fully participate in the religon of their choice.

It is my definite opinion that no one of any sexual preference should have anonymous sex while using illegal drugs. It's not a relationship builder and it could get you killed.

posted by holland on May 20, 2008 at 07:47:35 pm     #  

And I'll bet while he was dying, hardly any of his gay friends paid him visits-correct? Or perhaps you don't know-but that's sadly usually the way it goes.

posted by Darkseid on May 20, 2008 at 08:06:46 pm     #  

I don't know. And that's the bad part. I could have been a better friend. I wasn't there either.

posted by holland on May 20, 2008 at 08:27:15 pm     #