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Kittens In the Woods

Today I took four of my nephews (ranging from 7-12) for a walk. I was going to cross the Anthony Wayne Trail, and walk in some of the streets west of Spencer. I decided to take the alleys, and came out on Baden, turned toward Walbridge, and crossed over in the back acreage of the Aurora Gonzalez Center. The kids wanted to go through the woods that parallel the Anthony Wayne Trail, along the abandoned railroad tracks. We had gone about 50 yards toward South Avenue when I heard a kitten. I wanted to ignore it, and urged the kids to move along. Then a kitten caught up with us. We tried to lose it, but to no avail. Then I turned back toward where we had first heard it, because I had heard another. I hoped that it would return to its family. It didn't. I tried going the other way (toward Canal Street). Again it caught up with us. I tried to "scare" it (raising my arms and growling). It didn't scare. Finally, I said we'll head toward the Trail, and if it's killed when we cross, it was meant to be.

I didn't have the heart. We took it up (by then the little fellow, it turned out to be a male, had run maybe a half mile on those little legs). We took its two siblings, and returned to my home. I fed them, and we left for "Paws and Whiskers". I got there about 1:00 PM. I asked the young woman if they had room for three kittens in this "no kill" shelter. She said they were full up. She then gave the numbers of "The Toledo Humane Society" and the "Toledo Animal Shelter". I called them on my cell phone, and the "Toledo Animal Shelter" was closed on Sunday. I called the "Toledo Humane Society", and got a canned message. I headed over to the "Toledo Humane Society". I finally got the clerk's attention, and she told me to take them around back. I took them to "intake", and the young woman there told me that they were full up, but they would take the kittens, and if no one took any by the end of the day they would be "put to sleep" (killed). My mom had asked me not to have them killed, and so I said that I would take them home. I took them back, and put them in the garage, but there are a lot of things that can hurt a young kitten there (I had some oil from an oil change that I hadn't taken to an auto shop that I removed immediately). I have a shed that I use for "stray" cats (though none are using it at this time), and gardening stuff. I put the kittens in there with some litter (which they used right after eating), some food, water, and toys.

Tomorrow I'll try the "Toledo Animal Shelter", and I'll start calling the various human societies hoping someone will have an opening in the next week to 10 days. I'll try not to "like" these kittens. I have 10 cats, and I'm at my limit. People aren't neutering their animals so there is a surfeit of cats in the area. The woman at "Paws and Whiskers" says that they won't neuter kittens until they are two pounds or more in weight. She said these appear to be 7-8 weeks old. It usually costs about $25 to kill a cat at the humane societies so I can see people would be "inhumane" and drown kittens if they are up against it.

created by oldsendbrdy on May 18, 2008 at 10:38:32 pm     Comments: 25

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I don't know if these kittens were born in that wood, or some "humane" person left them there rather than take them to a shelter for killing. I don't know if it's better to kill them quickly, or leave them to starve or be run over by a car. It's easy to condemn others, but when people lose their jobs and/or their homes (most landlords would rather not have to clean up after animals) one of the first groups of "possessions" to be put to the curb are the pets.

posted by oldsendbrdy on May 19, 2008 at 12:17:19 am     #



You can list them here:
http://toledo.craigslist.org/pet/

I have used this to find homes for cats and rabbits I've fostered or volunteered to find good homes for. To see the joy on some of these peoples' faces is well worth the hassle (and it's not really a hassle either).

I found my bff here: http://petfinder.com/
I believe you can also post ads there as well. Pics help.

posted by charlatan on May 19, 2008 at 12:44:18 am     #



I'll try that, Charlatan. I called the Toledo Animal Shelters on Wyman Street, and asked if they had room for three kittens, two male and one female (if I "sexed" them right; they were really squirming). They did not, she said, they were overflowing, and even had them in temporary cages. They are a "no kill" facility, but they are full up. They've only had one, ONE, cat adopted out so far this month. I guess I'm in this for the long haul. "Paws and Whiskers" state that they had 650 cats adopted out last year, and they have room for 50 (they say they are full up). They leave some "rooms" open because they have a unique guarantee: if you adopt a cat, and later find you can no longer take care of it they will take it back into their facility. My mom is 80 and I'll be 60 in less than a month. One of our considerations is our mortality. When she dies it will be all on me, and I am diabetic. So I think I'll just let them live till they die, and not replace them. But I do admit to a clutching at my heartstrings every time I see an abandoned kitten (that's how we got all our cats). These I will try to nurture, and hopefully they will go to a good home. I know cats can live a long time; I had a Siamese who lived into its 22nd year.

posted by oldsendbrdy on May 19, 2008 at 09:50:20 am     #



Anyone know any way I can care for these cats, and not go broke? I know the animal shelters have "volunteer" vets, and I would like to get these cats their shots, or should I wait until they get a permanent home? Also, any ideas on cages or playpens. I had them out for a brief bout of exercise, but I now know what "herding cats" means.

The neighbor next door has big dogs that killed a cat several years ago (our "wild" cats were old enough to know the danger of trespassing into that yard). I need a playpen that is tall enough to keep them inside. What would be tall enough, two or three times their stretched out height?

posted by oldsendbrdy on May 19, 2008 at 09:56:47 am     #



Planned Pethood has some sort of foster program from what I've heard... have you tried them?

posted by jhostetler on May 19, 2008 at 10:43:24 am     #



Not yet. They might do it, but I think they want more "foster" parents. I guess I am one right now.

posted by oldsendbrdy on May 19, 2008 at 11:09:44 am     #



oldsendbrdy - exactly how may kittens/cats and what are their approximate ages?

posted by holland on May 19, 2008 at 11:11:18 am     #



Three kittens, the lady at "Paws and Whiskers" said they seemed to be about 7-8 weeks old. I am going to get kitten food for them, but right now they are bolting down "Iams Indoor" for adults, and 9-Lives canned (various flavors). I am just leaving food for them, and replenish the bowl as it empties. Clean water twice a day.

I got a cage from my brother that is cube with about two feet in each dimension. I'll put them in that for a half hour to an hour at a time so they can get some fresh air and sun. I cleaned it with a 10:1 mix of water/bleach for disinfectant, and gave it a good rinsing. Their descriptions and sexes are:
black-male, black tiger-female, black tiger with brown feet-male. I'll try to get some nice pictures of them on my website, www.oldsouthendtoledomusings.blogsplot.com

posted by oldsendbrdy on May 19, 2008 at 11:31:14 am     #



I put the pictures up on my Flickr account (www.flickr.com) under my byline, "Old South End Chapin Street". It wasn't easy. I set up a kids chair, and had little luck trying to get any to "sit" long enough for a photo. They were more interested in chasing dried blossoms.

posted by oldsendbrdy on May 19, 2008 at 03:42:03 pm     #



Here's home remedies for pets:

http://earthclinic.com/pets.html

I've had people travel a few hours to get animals from me, mainly because I post videos of them too and try to answer every conceivable question before they ask.

posted by charlatan on May 19, 2008 at 05:20:37 pm     #



Fortunately, a friend who works at "Paw and Whiskers" said that she may be able to get the kittens inside in a week or two. I like their program. They try to find responsible owners (I guess that is why they have a $70 "adoption fee" plus another $50 as a "pledge" to have the cat spayed or neutered). I'll have to try to make a video.

posted by oldsendbrdy on May 19, 2008 at 08:46:39 pm     #



OSEB, I've been down this road too many times. I'm sure you know what I'm going to say now:

Spend the 75 bucks and kill them.

I have 2 cats myself and I love them dearly. But we have to face facts that we can't take care of all these abandoned and unwanted animals, and leaving them to run feral is a fairly strong danger for neighborhoods.

If the 75 bucks is too much for you to pay, then put some strong depressant like crushed sleeping pills into their food, then put them sleeping into a cloth bag, and then gas them to death with your car's exhaust. Bury them in the yard.

Let's not fool ourselves into thinking that prolonging their living agonies is going to make things better. Getting used to gassing animals is something that we will have to endure around here with our transition to a ruined city like Detroit. I feel as bad as anyone can feel in seeing a little nose stilled of breath, but a necessity is still a necessity.

posted by GuestZero on May 20, 2008 at 04:22:41 am     #



Ladies and Gentlemen, the asshole of the year award goes to…………….

posted by Ryan on May 20, 2008 at 08:39:54 am     #



Ryan, that award has numerous nominations when it comes to handling animals. It goes to every motherfucker who instead of taking care of their animals, they let them loose. It goes to every cocksucker who lets their pets get pregnant and produce unwanted litters. All this suffering has a SOURCE, and that source is the real asshole here.

When the mess has to be cleaned up when the REAL assholes let it become so messy, it's insane to start complaining about harsh measures.

posted by GuestZero on May 20, 2008 at 10:10:20 am     #



Well, GuestZero, I can see your point. And it may come to that if "Paws and Whiskers" doesn't come through. I'll take them to the Humane Society in a month if a home can't be found for them. In the meantime, they will have some life, and maybe pleasure in it.

Charlatan, you suggested a video to "sell" them. Here is "Winkin', Blinkin', and Nod", http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4TEDf77rzs

posted by oldsendbrdy on May 21, 2008 at 12:08:40 am     #



There is something to be said for GuestZero's attitude. At least it is honest. Those of us who are meat-eaters probably would be more reluctant to eat a good steak if we had to shoot the cow, and then butcher it.

Instead, all that necessary work is done by others. And then we complain if we find them callous, and hard-hearted. I can't bring myself to kill kittens, but I would take it somewhere for someone else to do the "dirty" work.

I have a brother-in-law who has always euthanized his own animals. When a dog or cat got too old or sick he would use ether to end its life. Part of it is cost, but also part is that he believes that if it's suffering is to end it is only right that it be at his hand, and that the last person that animal sees is the "master" whose hand petted it through the years. Whick is more cruel, an animal that is suffering, and without the person who saw it through everything else, or for that person to end its suffering?

My mom has told each of us kids and grandkids about the pig, "Grunt", that was her pet when she was a child. Pigs are as smart as dogs. It would go with her to fetch water, and run behind nuzzling her backside. Then one autumn it was big enough, and my grand-father shot it, and butchered it. My mom said she ate the meat, but she would "cry a while and eat a while". That's the way of it on a farm.

I know the one animal whose death I most regret is a cat who developed a liver ailment. The vet called the next day, and said there was no hope. He asked if he should "put it down", and did I want the body. I didn't go to be with the cat, and I always felt bad about that one.

posted by oldsendbrdy on May 21, 2008 at 12:27:22 am     #



oldsendbrdy, the link isnt working for me?

posted by tm2 on May 22, 2008 at 11:28:34 am     #



The link for the "blogspot" is wrong. I'll send the correct one. The link for the video on YouTube should be working. Here is another short "moving photograph" of either Winkin' or Blinkin', http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gDpwEjVodA.

posted by oldsendbrdy on May 22, 2008 at 01:56:21 pm     #



Try again, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNdTgZp1hUg

posted by oldsendbrdy on May 22, 2008 at 01:57:27 pm     #



If you look under more from "Greenrax" you'll see a series of five "shorts" that I took today to give an idea of what individual is like. They are something like "moving" portraits (one was only a few seconds long because that is all I could get the baby to stay in my field of view).

posted by oldsendbrdy on May 22, 2008 at 02:00:30 pm     #



tm2, here is the link to the blog, http://oldsendtoledomusings.blogspot.com/, but I decided to put anything about the cats either on YouTube, Flickr, or Picasa. I like them, but I hope that "Paw and Whiskers" will take them in a week or two.

posted by oldsendbrdy on May 22, 2008 at 02:12:01 pm     #



OSEB, keep your eye on the Toledo Craigslist wanted section.

posted by GuestZero on May 24, 2008 at 05:52:26 am     #



southend- my daughter just took a couple of cats in someplace & they neutered them for free, because they were strays (although, the Humane Society 'rules' say, that if you've fed them 3 days, you 'own' them, and they are not strays then - so you LIE & deny feeding or houseing them). They don't keep the kittens/cats after neutering, but rather return them to you if they have no room. It was not the Humane Society she took them to - she's not home right now, but when she gets home, I'll ask her where she took them & post info here. (she did find homes for 2 of them, via craigslist.com).

posted by starling02 on May 24, 2008 at 08:30:59 pm     #



Here's some pictures of the "kids". I still haven't found room in either "Paws & Whiskers" or the "Toledo Animal Shelter" on Wyman. The animal shelter says they have a list of 100 people waiting for room in their facility. Well, these three have a temporary home here for now. This is "Winkin' ", http://www.flickr.com/photos/17202753@N00/2537056963/, "Blinkin' ", http://www.flickr.com/photos/17202753@N00/2537052973/, and "Nod", http://www.flickr.com/photos/17202753@N00/2537059121/. I guess "Nod" is my favorite at the moment. He seems the most adventursome. When I open the door to the shed in the morning to feed them, and clean their litter box I put them in a cage in the yard so I can do the work. He is always out the door like a bolt, and I begin the "kitten roundup" because while I'm chasing him the other two get out. But I do enjoy watching them grow.

posted by oldsendbrdy on May 30, 2008 at 09:38:58 pm     #



Since about last Friday, June 6th, I have had the kittens in the basement because of the heat. I was working on an enclosure (which I haven't finished to give them more room) but since we took the chance and released them in the basement they seemed okay. I worked for "Paws and Whiskers" at the Old West End Festival during their rummage sale on Saturday and Sunday. During the weekend I was told that there might be room Monday for the kittens. I took them in Monday morning. I arrived there about 10:30, and the staff said they could take them. I filled out the paperwork, and saw them to their temporary quarters. They will be examined by a vet or technician, given medicine (if needed), shots in the short future, and then be available for adoption when they are healthy (if some course of treatment is needed). Mom was getting attached to them. I will probably go to see them on Friday (hopefully, they will be out of quarantine), and maybe spend a little time playing with each. At least I have some certainty that they will find a good home. I asked how long cats have been kept until adoption. Dave, the fellow who does the paperwork, said they had one wait 2.5 years for an adoption. I guess the owner had passed away, and "Paws and Whiskers" kept their promise to take the cat back until it could find a suitable home again.

posted by oldsendbrdy on Jun 09, 2008 at 09:31:29 pm     #