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In Case you missed it: a dude from Ohio is trying to impeach someone important

It's probably all over the news...

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Kucinich_presents_Bush_impeachment_articles_0609.html

http://chun.afterdowningstreet.org/amomentoftruth.pdf
Here's the copypasta of what's allegedly illegal behavior:
Article I
Creating a Secret Propaganda Campaign to Manufacture a False Case for War Against Iraq.

Article II
Falsely, Systematically, and with Criminal Intent Conflating the Attacks of September 11, 2001, With
Misrepresentation of Iraq as a Security Threat as Part of Fraudulent Justification for a War of
Aggression.

Article III
Misleading the American People and Members of Congress to Believe Iraq Possessed Weapons of
Mass Destruction, to Manufacture a False Case for War.

Article IV
Misleading the American People and Members of Congress to Believe Iraq Posed an Imminent Threat
to the United States.

Article V
Illegally Misspending Funds to Secretly Begin a War of Aggression.

Article VI
Invading Iraq in Violation of the Requirements of HJRes114.

Article VII
Invading Iraq Absent a Declaration of War.

Article VIII
Invading Iraq, A Sovereign Nation, in Violation of the UN Charter.
Article IX
Failing to Provide Troops With Body Armor and Vehicle Armor
Article X
Falsifying Accounts of US Troop Deaths and Injuries for Political Purposes
Article XI
Establishment of Permanent U.S. Military Bases in Iraq

Article XII
Initiating a War Against Iraq for Control of That Nation's Natural Resources

Article XIIII

Creating a Secret Task Force to Develop Energy and Military Policies With Respect to Iraq and Other
Countries
Article XIV
Misprision of a Felony, Misuse and Exposure of Classified Information And Obstruction of Justice in
the Matter of Valerie Plame Wilson, Clandestine Agent of the Central Intelligence Agency

Article XV
Providing Immunity from Prosecution for Criminal Contractors in Iraq

Article XVI
Reckless Misspending and Waste of U.S. Tax Dollars in Connection With Iraq and US Contractors
Article XVII
Illegal Detention: Detaining Indefinitely And Without Charge Persons Both U.S. Citizens and Foreign
Captives
Article XVIII
Torture: Secretly Authorizing, and Encouraging the Use of Torture Against Captives in Afghanistan,
Iraq, and Other Places, as a Matter of Official Policy
Article XIX
Rendition: Kidnapping People and Taking Them Against Their Will to "Black Sites" Located in Other
Nations, Including Nations Known to Practice Torture

Article XX
Imprisoning Children
Article XXI
Misleading Congress and the American People About Threats from Iran, and Supporting Terrorist
Organizations Within Iran, With the Goal of Overthrowing the Iranian Government

Article XXII
Creating Secret Laws

Article XXIII
Violation of the Posse Comitatus Act

Article XXIV
Spying on American Citizens, Without a Court-Ordered Warrant, in Violation of the Law and the
Fourth Amendment
Article XXV
Directing Telecommunications Companies to Create an Illegal and Unconstitutional Database of the
Private Telephone Numbers and Emails of American Citizens
Article XXVI
Announcing the Intent to Violate Laws with Signing Statements
Article XXVII
Failing to Comply with Congressional Subpoenas and Instructing Former Employees Not to Comply

Article XXVIII
Tampering with Free and Fair Elections, Corruption of the Administration of Justice
Article XXIX
Conspiracy to Violate the Voting Rights Act of 1965
Article XXX
Misleading Congress and the American People in an Attempt to Destroy Medicare
Article XXXI
Katrina: Failure to Plan for the Predicted Disaster of Hurricane Katrina, Failure to Respond to a Civil
Emergency

Article XXXII
Misleading Congress and the American People, Systematically Undermining Efforts to Address Global
Climate Change
Article XXXIII
Repeatedly Ignored and Failed to Respond to High Level Intelligence Warnings of Planned Terrorist
Attacks in the US, Prior to 911.

Article XXXIV
Obstruction of the Investigation into the Attacks of September 11, 2001
Article XXXV
Endangering the Health of 911 First Responders

created by charlatan on Jun 11, 2008 at 01:10:11 am     Comments: 18

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Saw that here is the YouTube vid from C-CPAN.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qy3z7XWtQc

posted by jshriver on Jun 11, 2008 at 01:39:42 am     #  

This might work better:

posted by jshriver on Jun 11, 2008 at 01:40:02 am     #  

Kucinich has BACKBONE.

I know that he is quirky, but he is the only politician that is willing to do publicly what so many others have complained about privately.

Do you guys think that it will go anywhere?

posted by corky on Jun 11, 2008 at 11:32:18 am     #  

I don't think it will go anywhere, because Pelosi has no political courage right now. She's trying to not rock the boat. Unfortunately, (politically anyway) her non-courage has some historical merit. Peter Baker's book The Breach deals with Bill Clinton's impeachment. In it, Baker notes that because of the Republicans attempts to impeach a popular President, the Republicans lost seats in the House and Senate. Of course, this is not a popular President we're dealing with---that's why Pelosi is wrong. Call Marcy Kaptur (202) 225-4146 and tell her to support Kucinich

posted by pink_slip on Jun 11, 2008 at 12:49:02 pm     #  

I think his articles against Bush will go about as far as his similar articles went against Cheney last year. That would be ZERO. Pelosi is having none of that, since she's not against the war in Iraq and the war against the middle class and all the other terrible things that BushCo and CheneyCo are doing. Why did people vote Democrat? They weren't really all that different than the Republicans were.

The Congress continues to vote to fund the war in Iraq. That tells you all you need to know about what you voted for in 2006. The Democrats blatantly lied to you. So ... why do you continue to support them?

That vote for Nader in 2000 is looking smarter and smarter, eh? I knew I was voting for the right man, and now the rest of you Democrats can only know today. Nader's philosophies are a REAL platform for the Democrats, whereas the functional Democratic platform is just Republicanism Lite.

Naturally, almost all of you Dems will vote for Obama since he's the endorsed nitwit. He will continue the assault on the Middle Class and he will continue the assault on the Middle East. Why do the pols hate the "middle" so much?

posted by GuestZero on Jun 11, 2008 at 03:39:56 pm     #  

That vote for Nader in 2000 is looking smarter and smarter, eh?

Yeah, what did that get you? Don't get me wrong, Nadar had the right platform but unless we have instant runoff voting a third party vote is wasted. Your vote for Nadar got us a war and occupation in Iraq.

posted by pink_slip on Jun 11, 2008 at 04:03:06 pm     #  

What it didn't get us was Al Gore.

posted by Linecrosser on Jun 11, 2008 at 04:17:45 pm     #  

You two have to get over yourselves. Al Gore would have obtained my vote if he had earned it. He did not. I voted for the REAL DEMOCRAT instead of the FAKE one. The result was that the Democrats slouched their way into watching a Republican administration screw things up. But that's what millions of Republican voters wanted, and they proved that well enough in the re-election of 2004.

You anti-Nader Dems really have to get a clue. A vote belongs to the person it's cast on. It's likely that if Gore had been less of a corporate stooge than he presented himself as in 2000, then that margin of Nader voters might well have voted for him.

Al Gore is responsible for his loss in 2000, and George Bush is responsible for his government. We marginals (including the Libertarians, who are the rightwing equivalent of Nader voters) simply aren't involved ... since we were M-A-R-G-I-N-A-L-I-Z-E-D.

In other words, your sick little party doesn't own my vote. And you know what? The 2008 Democratic line is as worthless as the last two Presidential elections. Once again, I'm faced with yet another anti-worker elitist who will do everything he can to support his rich supporters -- investment banks having strongly donated to Obama's campaign -- and continue the War Against the Middle Class. He's clearly going to continue attacking the Middle East to steal its oil. Who am I going to vote for, to stop those wars? Not Obama or McCain.

Look at another detail: The only difference between Obama's plan and McCain's plan for so-called healthcare is precisely how screwed I am for the huge costs. Neither of their plans tries to control the enormous profiteering that is the root cause of healthcare unaffordability in the USA. That's only to be expected, since both elitists are supported by corporatized party systems that want me to be laboring under huge debts that I will slave to pay off over my entire life.

So ... Pink, Line, dig up a real Democrat and I'll vote for him. But Obama ain't it. And Clinton ain't it. You lost my vote AGAIN. So I'll likely be voting for a real Constitutionalist like Ron Paul, or the Libertarian candidate like Bob Barr, and when you lose, don't even start cryin' to me about it. The fault of YOUR loss is YOURS. YOU were the complacent ones and tolerated elitists taking over your party. The Republicans I can well believe, but Democrats? YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE THE FUCKING PARTY OF THE PEOPLE!!

posted by GuestZero on Jun 11, 2008 at 07:54:57 pm     #  

"... voting a third party vote is wasted."

No such thing as a wasted vote. It's not wasted if the third party candidate lines up with an individual's political ideology better than any other candidate. Besides, voting is a private issue.

Do you want a law that forces voters to choose a candidate from one of the two machines? Do you want to remove what limited choices we have? Pro-choice means a voter can select any candidate on the ballot or write in a candidate or select no one. Are you against a voter's right to choose?

It's intellectually lazy to blame Perot, Nader, and soon Bob Barr. Blaming a third-party candidate deflects blame from the loser of one of the political machines. A strong, worthwhile candidate will overcome a third-party candidate's existence.

Also, when one of the political machines goes haywire, some voters respond by voting for a third-party candidate. Nothing wrong with that. It's one way to send a message to the machine.

Instead of criticizing those who VOTED for a candidate you disagree with, why not yell at those who did NOT vote all? Blame the blissfully-happy non-voters for causing problems. Work to get more people registered to vote and encourage them to be informed and to vote on election day.

posted by jr on Jun 11, 2008 at 08:12:28 pm     #  

I didn't see GZ's comment when I wrote mine. GZ said it better than I did.

posted by jr on Jun 11, 2008 at 08:16:26 pm     #  

Generally speaking, I'm not against third parties. However, it's more realistic to create change in an established party (even by increments) than it is to expect a third party victory, at this time. Even when Ross Perot got 19% of the vote, he received ZERO electoral votes. Look at how the Republican Party has been taken over in the last 30 years. It can be done. It's easy to vote third party, and then sit back and complain about both parties (cherry picking). Third parties candidates are like backup quarterbacks on a bad football team--they're the most popular guys in town. Ultimately, I can't argue with voting your conscience. But it doesn't mean anything if you don't win.

posted by pink_slip on Jun 11, 2008 at 09:56:58 pm     #  

Yeah, hey,Dennis, maybe they can start impeachment proceedings sometime next year. Asshole.

posted by Darkseid on Jun 12, 2008 at 02:03:20 am     #  

"But it doesn't mean anything if you don't win."

Yeah, the Democrat party has won locally for many years, which has been wonderful for Toledo.

posted by jr on Jun 12, 2008 at 08:28:52 am     #  

Yeah, the Democrat party has won locally for many years, which has been wonderful for Toledo.

So you should get involved with the Republicrat party. I hear they need some help.

posted by pink_slip on Jun 12, 2008 at 09:08:59 am     #  

"Obama"is going to keep pushing "War in the middle east"!!?

I seem to see McCain dancing around the wording in his "I APPROVE THIS DOUBLE TALK BULLSHIP" He says "I hate War"! "BUT", does he say anything to address the issue of getting our people out of it?? "HELL NO"!

"Zero" you should write for the "Fox News network" (unbiased my ass)

I agree wholeheartedly with "Jr" and I may well vote for a third party candidate since "THE TWO PARTY SYSTEMS IS IN THE SEWERS,ALONG WITH OUR CHOICES of who to vote for. "REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT"

And I've not seen any objections to the "Super Delegates" that show how our votes (the people,or popular vote,)means to the election process."Gore won the popular vote."But the Whop Scalea got Bush in office! "GO DENNIS" GO!

posted by blacjac687 on Jun 12, 2008 at 09:59:17 am     #  

Carty For President!!! Why should Toledo be the only one to suffer. (sarcasm)

posted by Linecrosser on Jun 12, 2008 at 03:48:41 pm     #  

"Yeah, hey,Dennis, maybe they can start impeachment proceedings sometime next year. Asshole."
That might be the best comment I've seen. :)

posted by charlatan on Jun 13, 2008 at 05:19:14 am     #  

His Hatred of Bush is causing him to waste time and possibly taxpayer money with this idiocy, since Bush is gone soon either way. I'd prefer to see him use that energy to introduce bills to try to do something about gas/oil prices and the energy circus...er, crisis.

posted by Darkseid on Jun 14, 2008 at 09:00:46 am     #