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Yvonne Harper on Toledo City Clowncil ????

This is another fine example of the most undeserving getting promoted.
She is the most bigoted unprofessional that I have ever witnessed in action in Toledo.
Why do the majority of Democratic Clowns on Clowncil support her appointment ?
Because they are spineless politicians that see that to refuse Harper could and probably would affect their own careers.
Vote NO on Harper.

created by Bugsy on Feb 28, 2015 at 10:42:58 am     Local-Politics     Comments: 154

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If she gets confirmed, then it's Toledo City Clowncil, indeed. I'm glad I'm moving out of Toledo.

posted by toledojim on Feb 28, 2015 at 11:43:03 am     #  

Hmm, had to retire from the court because she was disruptive and racist. A history of discipline and conflict.
Owes thousands of dollars in back taxes and is being sued by the State of Ohio.
Her record showed she was evaluated as unsatisfactory in working with the public and couldn't communicate verbally.
She couldn't handle constructive criticism, follow procedures, and had a bad attitude.

Wow. Makes you wonder why she has been elevated above others in the party.

Wait... let me guess. She campaigned against SB5, right?
All is forgiven in the eyes of the Lucas County Labor Party.

posted by justread on Feb 28, 2015 at 11:56:10 am     #   4 people liked this

justread posted at 11:56:10 AM on Feb 28, 2015:

Hmm, had to retire from the court because she was disruptive and racist. A history of discipline and conflict.
Owes thousands of dollars in back taxes and is being sued by the State of Ohio.

Her record showed she was evaluated as unsatisfactory in working with the public and couldn't communicate verbally.

She couldn't handle constructive criticism, follow procedures, and had a bad attitude.

Wow. Makes you wonder why she has been elevated above others in the party.

Wait... let me guess. She campaigned against SB5, right?
All is forgiven in the eyes of the Lucas County Labor Party.

Actually, that reads like a pretty typical Toledo city council resume. The information you listed would like to all thumbs-up from the party's vetting board.

posted by clt212 on Feb 28, 2015 at 12:17:17 pm     #   1 person liked this

It is no wonder why voters are leaving the Lucas County Democratic Party in droves.......

posted by Bugsy on Feb 28, 2015 at 12:20:41 pm     #   1 person liked this

Wow, I botched that last sentence very badly.

Should be, "likely to get all thumbs-up.."

posted by clt212 on Feb 28, 2015 at 12:22:13 pm     #  

She was also sued in 1998 in her capacity as a bailiff in the TMC. The case looks like it was settled, but cases that old don't have documents online. I'd love to see that one.

A check of her property taxes: looks like she didn't make payments for about 1.5 years, then brought them current and is now on monthly payments.

Good choice Dems!

posted by Ace_Face on Feb 28, 2015 at 12:49:33 pm     #   1 person liked this

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Sounds like a woman for the "working man"...

Toledo gets exactly the leadership it deserves. Outlying areas, continue preparations for more growth.

posted by oldhometown on Feb 28, 2015 at 12:56:55 pm     #   2 people liked this

I met this woman on two occasions at political events and found her to be one of the most obnoxious people I have ever encountered.

posted by RockChick on Feb 28, 2015 at 01:49:39 pm     #  

Don't ignore that this is a direct reflection on Steve Steele's judgement and all the council members who endorsed her early. He wants to be president of council. Toledo needs better stewardship especially with a strong mayor form of government.

posted by Mariner on Feb 28, 2015 at 01:57:50 pm     #   1 person liked this

Steve Steel is unqualified for most anything politically connected. The most obvious sign that he is in his own world is the solstice parties that he has 4 times a year. Mostly populated by college kids and underagers. The alcohol flows freely and the damn kids don't stop making noise and leave until 5 a.m. He is a horrible neighbor.
I think that he is a male witch, to tell you the truth. A warlock, if you will.

posted by Bugsy on Feb 28, 2015 at 02:07:19 pm     #  

"I think that he is a male witch, to tell you the truth. A warlock, if you will."
With his political influence he must be one of the lizard people.

posted by TrilbyGuy on Feb 28, 2015 at 02:48:11 pm     #  

Invasion of the body snatchers happened in Toledo in 1968.

posted by MIJeff on Feb 28, 2015 at 05:11:37 pm     #  

I did not mean to hijack my own thread with comments about S.S.
Back to Harper - what can we do to keep this incompetent racist from being seated on council ???

posted by Bugsy on Feb 28, 2015 at 05:29:27 pm     #  

I don't know about this. What would be the potential positives if she's in there, blows up, and becomes a huge embarrassment to the City of Toledo in general on both a state and national level (and more specifically to the unions who put her in)?

Like an alcoholic, Toledo needs to hit its true bottom before it can begin to recover. Perhaps if it's a national laughingstock, people will wake up.

posted by Bandito on Feb 28, 2015 at 07:06:58 pm     #   2 people liked this

Bandito posted at 07:06:58 PM on Feb 28, 2015:

I don't know about this. What would be the potential positives if she's in there, blows up, and becomes a huge embarrassment to the City of Toledo in general on both a state and national level (and more specifically to the unions who put her in)?

Like an alcoholic, Toledo needs to hit its true bottom before it can begin to recover. Perhaps if it's a national laughingstock, people will wake up.

I don't have the energy to look up all of the links and sound bites, but I'm pretty sure Toledo has hit that point plenty of times the past 20 years.
We are slightly above rock bottom at this point.

One of my hopes is that Bell runs again and wins and the unions forget to tell everyone to vote against him. Pipe dream, I know.

posted by hunkytownsausage on Feb 28, 2015 at 09:29:49 pm     #   2 people liked this

Getting back to Harper... I know there is a bunch of OWE'rs on this site who know Steve Steel, personally. This is your chance to tell him this is a bad idea. The track is there. She has no business being in any position of authority.

posted by hunkytownsausage on Feb 28, 2015 at 09:35:08 pm     #  

Steel is supporting the witch because the unions want to elevate him to President of the Council, so I don't think he'll back off on voting for her.

On the other hand, if he realizes that as head of the council he'd have to try to keep her in line, he might think twice about it.

posted by Bandito on Feb 28, 2015 at 10:12:21 pm     #  

She would only hold office until the May election, is that correct?

posted by shamrock44 on Feb 28, 2015 at 10:23:09 pm     #  

She would only hold office until the May election, is that correct?

posted by shamrock44 on Feb 28, 2015 at 10:23:12 pm     #  

She would only hold office until the May election, is that correct?

posted by shamrock44 on Feb 28, 2015 at 10:23:18 pm     #  

somebody answer the man, he really wants to know!!!! :)

posted by nana on Feb 28, 2015 at 10:44:31 pm     #   8 people liked this

LOL sorry about that ! Didn't realize it kept posting.

Will go sit in the corner for a well deserved time out now. LOL

posted by shamrock44 on Feb 28, 2015 at 11:25:50 pm     #   4 people liked this

She has used the names of Yvonne A Harper and Yvonne H Harper plus last name Williams former husband. On buckeye institute Local Salaries under Lucas County Board of Elections there is a Yvonne H Harper listed worked seasonal at Board of Elections 2008, 09, 10 and possible further since that is far as it goes. Wonder if this is the same person, since is was suppose to be a bailiff during this period. How could one work two day time jobs.

posted by Nyse on Mar 01, 2015 at 01:10:02 am     #   1 person liked this

waiting for upso to jump in and tell us how awesome she really is...meh

posted by justareviewer on Mar 01, 2015 at 09:38:26 am     #   1 person liked this

I went to one of her BOE trainings at the train station. She does not know what she is doing, IMO. She is rude, loud, obnoxious and racist. She was also on the clock at TMC at the same time, I believe. A real system beater. I saw her vehicle at Dem H.Q. quite a few times when she was on the clock at TMC. That's her.
Vote NO on Harper the racist.

posted by Bugsy on Mar 01, 2015 at 11:55:11 am     #  

justareviewer posted at 09:38:26 AM on Mar 01, 2015:

waiting for upso to jump in and tell us how awesome she really is...meh

I have no opinion on how awesome she might be. While we look to have quite a few friends in common on Facebook, I do not know Yvonne at all.

posted by upso on Mar 01, 2015 at 03:22:32 pm     #   8 people liked this

So, what does this obviously unqualified poor choice have on the people who are looking to promote her? Why are all these 'names' coming together to move her up when it would be so easy to come together and ignore her? Is she really the only choice????

posted by nana on Mar 01, 2015 at 04:02:56 pm     #   6 people liked this

If this is council's judgement as to who is fit to be on council, it makes me wonder about why they picked Paula Hudson Hicks to be the President of Council?

posted by Molsonator on Mar 01, 2015 at 04:27:33 pm     #   1 person liked this

Bugsy, if what you say is verified that she was working at Board of Elections at the same time she was suppose to be a bailiff that could be fraud pure and simple if true and she was on the time clock as bailiff. If she was collecting from both or on sick time working at the other, public employees are subject to forfeit their pensions if found to have committed this type of incident. You saw her, I just saw her name and under salaries for Board of Elections and wondered if it was one in the same but you saw her there. There probably is more.

posted by Nyse on Mar 01, 2015 at 05:38:55 pm     #   4 people liked this

At times the county has encouraged employees to take vacation to work the polls due to shortage of workers and in at least one election I believe they even allowed employees to work them without taking time off.

posted by In_vin_veritas on Mar 01, 2015 at 07:27:29 pm     #  

We are not talking about working the polls on election day, she is listed as a seasonal employee for wages and the wages are listed. Working the election day wages are not listed on buckeye institute. Seasonal employees get around 8.00 per hour and to make as much as she did minus the overtime - she would have had to work about 5 to 6 weeks. A seasonal employee usually works first of Oct thru election day. And at times other times of the year sometimes. You are confusing a one time poll worker with their seasonal employees.

posted by Nyse on Mar 01, 2015 at 08:29:04 pm     #  

And yes you can work the election on election day and also be a seasonal employee. Seasonal employees have federal income, state income tax and city tax taken out. Also pers retirement is withheld for seasonal employee. None of these things are withheld for the election poll worker, although you are personal responsible for paying taxes on it, it is not automatically withheld for the poll worker unlike the seasonal worker.

posted by Nyse on Mar 01, 2015 at 08:32:35 pm     #  

Sat, Feb 28, 2015 Toledo Blade story that I assume people were partly discussing in this thread:

Candidate to fill council slot has checkered past - Harperís records reveal conflicts


Mon, Mar 2, 2015 Toledo Blade op-ed titled No rubber stamp.

Toledo City Council members, as soon as Tuesday, will fill two critical vacancies on the legislative body.Council members must make their choices in the interest of all of their constituents, rather than respond to the dictates of political and union bosses. If they donít, their allegiances will be clear to voters in an election year.


Choosing a new Toledo city council president

Council members must elect a new president to succeed Paula Hicks-Hudson. Insiders say that council incumbent Steven Steel is seeking support among his colleagues for the position, and has the backing of local private-sector unions that traditionally have exercised broad political influence on the council.

Councilman Steel also is chairman of the Lucas County Democratic Party; that position, which by definition is highly partisan, is incompatible with the presidency of the formally nonpartisan council. At the very least, if Mr. Steel wants to head the council, he should first give up his party office. If he refuses, that alone would give council members cause to look elsewhere for their next president.

A better choice might be to keep Councilman Jack Ford, [???] who now serves as council president pro tem, in the post on a more-permanent basis.


Filling the District 4 council seat vacancy

The county Democratic Party and its organized-labor allies are leaning on council members to appoint Yvonne Harper, the partyís executive director. But a review by The Blade of Ms. Harperís record suggests that here too, council members can find better candidates.

Such a record suggests that the other eight candidates who have applied for the District 4 appointment deserve at least as much consideration as Ms. Harper. But if a majority of council members instead wield a special-interest rubber stamp in filling that vacancy and the council presidency, voters will want to show their appreciation the next time these alleged representatives appear on the ballot.


With a 15 to 25 percent voter turnout at primary and general elections, nothing will change. And why should it change?

The elected people who will perform the above actions against the wishes of the Blade editorial board were chosen by a majority of the voters and possibly endorsed by the Blade editorial board. The voters have already shown their appreciation. Anything that happens henceforth is acceptable.

For the 75 to 85 percent of Toledoans who don't vote but are interested in this drama, I say sit back and enjoy the freak show.

posted by jr on Mar 02, 2015 at 08:26:39 am     #   1 person liked this

Throw three rings around this circus people call Toledo government. My dog is a better candidate than this clown. The audacity to even promote her name as the "choice" is embarrassing to anyone's intelligence

posted by Hoops on Mar 02, 2015 at 08:36:58 am     #  

I did not want to bring up anyone's lack of intelligence, but YH is no Tom Waniewski or Rob Ludeman IMO. The task of grappling with multi-million dollar budgets and their implementation should not be taken lightly.
Especially if the intent is just to payback them "white masters" by getting the position.
Vote NO on Harper.

posted by Bugsy on Mar 02, 2015 at 09:25:19 am     #  

Are we ready to admit how bad labor has polluted our city and county government positions with those who serve the unions rather than the citizens yet?
Or do we need a better example than this?

posted by justread on Mar 02, 2015 at 09:52:18 am     #   12 people liked this

justread posted at 09:52:18 AM on Mar 02, 2015:

Are we ready to admit how bad labor has polluted our city and county government positions with those who serve the unions rather than the citizens yet?
Or do we need a better example than this?

You guys have labor unions controlling things there, here were have the radical evangelicals and O&G companies. I don't think balance or bipartisanship exists anywhere anymore.

posted by JustaSooner on Mar 02, 2015 at 10:59:25 am     #   2 people liked this

From the Feb 28, 2015 Blade story :

Steven Steel, an at-large Toledo councilman and the county Democratic Party chairman, said he will vote for Ms. Harper.

Council Democrats Matt Cherry, Lindsay Webb, Larry Sykes, and Tyrone Riley said they likely will support Ms. Harper.

  • Steel - At-large council
  • Sykes - At large council
  • Riley - District 1 council
  • Cherry - District 2 council
  • Webb - District 6 council


Ahead of the September 2013 primary for the city council at-large seats, the Blade editorial board endorsed Steel.

Incumbent STEVEN STEEL, 51, a faculty member at the University of Toledo, has earned a new term. A former president of the Toledo school board, Mr. Steel was appointed to City Council in 2009.

On the council, Mr. Steel has focused on issues related to the municipal budget, small business, and public safety, especially domestic violence. He is one of the leading advocates of the city park system.

In that same September 2013 endorsement article, the Blade gave a consolation prize to Sykes.

Several other Council candidates deserve voter attention. Larry Sykes has also served the city for many years, most recently on the school board.

The unions, however, opposed Sykes, during the fall 2013 election.


The last city council district election occurred in 2011. In October 2011, the Blade editorial board endorsed Webb and Riley.

District 1

Of the two candidates to succeed [Wilma Brown], the better choice is TYRONE RILEY.

Unions already have plenty of voices on the council. It's a close call, but TYRONE RILEY is better prepared to speak for all residents of District 1 and the city.

District 6

Incumbent LINDSAY WEBB generated controversy in her North Toledo district this year when she pushed the deadline to file for re-election to its limit -- and, critics assert, beyond. That carelessness was disconcerting.

More troubling was Ms. Webb's advocacy in 2009 (with Mr. Waniewski's help) of a misguided plan to change the city charter to eliminate the council's at-large representatives and reduce the body to nine members.

Yet these lapses, while disturbing, finally do not offer adequate cause to deny Ms. Webb a new term. The Democrat and Point Place resident has done a reasonable job of balancing the imperative to limit taxes with the need to invest in essential services.


Prior to the May 2014 District 2 council seat special election, the Blade editorial board opposed Cherry:

The winner of next monthís election will serve through the end of 2015. The District 2 seat is now held on an interim basis by Matt Cherry, 33, a business agent for Sheet Metal Workers Local 33.

The Lucas County Democratic Party successfully proposed that Mr. Cherry fill the temporary vacancy largely on the strength of his labor ties. He is seeking election to the permanent seat, but during his brief tenure on the council, he has displayed neither extensive leadership skills nor a broad economic and social vision for improving life in District 2 and the city.

posted by jr on Mar 02, 2015 at 12:01:03 pm     #  

Here's a letter I suggested people send to council members. Following the recent news article on Yvonne Harper I am demanding that you withdraw any support for her appointment to the District 4 City Council seat. I say demand because as a council person you are elected to represent not just your district but all Toledoans and Ms. Harperís appointment would be a slap in the face to many citizens.

Her release from the bailiffís office, back taxes on income, and numerous discrimination complaints make her a poor choice to represent most Toledoans who do work hard, pay their taxes, and work alongside people of all races without complaint.

If Ms Harper wishes to represent District 4 then she should file to run for the office, not be given an advantage over others by receiving this appointment.

It seems more fair to citizens to put a seatholder in there for now and let anyone interested run for the office on their own merit not the banner of incumbency no matter how short a time.

posted by fred on Mar 02, 2015 at 03:35:02 pm     #   1 person liked this

Guys like Gene Powell are taking a stand. Council better pay attention this time because the young men and women staying here and coming back here won't do that for long if council does "business as usual" Here's a partial FB post from Gene As you may have heard, Toledo City Council is conducting a review of District 4 candidates tomorrow during session. The District 4 seat was left empty after Paula Hicks-Hudson vacated it to become mayor.
District 4 is a diverse area of the city (http://www.toledoblade.com/Ö/800x_b1_cCMÖ/District-4-map.jpg). Iím particularly interested in who serves as its council rep because I own a small business there (Seed Coworking on South Saint Clair Street), and I feel the position should be filled by someone who has his or her ear on the pulse of the district ó someone who understands the varied needs of its citizens, business owners and development interests (e.g. Promedica, Erie Street Market, etc.).
With that, Iíve asked Council to abandon its support of Yvonne Harperís appointment to the District 4 City Council seat. Ms. Harperís release from her position with Toledo Municipal Court; the lawsuit filed against her by the Ohio Department of Taxation; and her repeated (and unfounded) discrimination complaints, make her a poor and unfit choice for the vacant Council seat. You can learn more about the controversies surrounding Ms. Harper here: http://www.toledoblade.com/Ö/Candidate-to-fill-council-slotÖ.
Council members are obligated to represent not only their respective districts, but the interests of Toledo as a whole. Their appointment of Ms. Harper would be an insult to Toledoans who work hard, pay their taxes and work alongside people of all race, gender or creed without complaint.
Iím calling upon Council to support Councilwoman At-Large Sandy Spangís nomination of Scott Ramsey, a candidate who embodies the hopes and challenges of the entire district.

posted by fred on Mar 02, 2015 at 03:54:52 pm     #  

Gene's post can be found here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/toledohio/permalink/860513870654580/

If you can't see the link, add yourself to the group, I'll approve and then you can comment if you like! :)

posted by upso on Mar 02, 2015 at 04:24:35 pm     #  

I assume that Ignazio Messina will be live-tweeting Tuesday's city council meeting. https://twitter.com/IgnazioMessina

From Ignazio's story posted this afternoon that Nolan linked to above:

Last week, five council Democrats, Steven Steel, Matt Cherry, Lindsay Webb, Larry Sykes, and Tyrone Riley, said they likely would support Ms. Harper. She would need six votes for the appointment.

But today, Mr. Steel, Ms. Webb, and Mr. Riley said they were undecided.

Mr. Steel said he was concerned the tax issues had not been disclosed by Ms. Harper during her interview with the party's screening committee.

ďI was pretty set on Yvonne Harper,Ē Mr. Riley said today. ďThe Blade gave me more information regarding her candidacy.Ē

posted by jr on Mar 02, 2015 at 06:29:36 pm     #  

Translation of Mr. Riley's comment: "I was fine rubber-stamping the party's unvetted pick until the media heat got turned up, and now I am going to sound concerned for the media while I figure out my next move."

posted by historymike on Mar 02, 2015 at 06:49:12 pm     #   15 people liked this

Although I appreciate the Blade's attention to this I just wonder about the story beneath the story. Who is supporting Yvonne and why? What value has she brought and what duties has she performed that would award her with that initial endorsement?

Start pulling those threads apart and you probably start to see some pretty ugly realities.

posted by Danneskjold on Mar 02, 2015 at 07:41:00 pm     #   3 people liked this

Upso, I added myself to the group. Please approve (we're also joint members of the OWE FB group).

posted by Bandito on Mar 02, 2015 at 09:50:13 pm     #  

Sorry, was away for a bit. Just added a bunch more people. Looks like we have more lurkers on Toledo Talk then I imagined! ;)

posted by upso on Mar 02, 2015 at 11:18:51 pm     #   6 people liked this

It's always ok to be just one more person sitting in the pew. Not necessary to post to be a bona fide member of Radio Radio's "chattering class."

posted by Mariner on Mar 03, 2015 at 05:55:58 am     #   1 person liked this

I was attempting to be a lurker, but I mistook the instructions for a screen name.

posted by justread on Mar 03, 2015 at 06:20:09 am     #  

Random Yvonne Harper thoughts:

1) How come Jack Ford is always unavailable for comment on this thing? If he is refusing to comment, say so.

2) Yvonne seems to think she should be able to say and do whatever she wants and, if someone objects, it is a violation of her constitutional rights. In the video below, she states that she doesn't "have freedom of speech" because she made a statement to the Dem Exec Council that they shouldn't support Collins in his mayoral campaign and that statement had consequences. (start at about 5:10).

3) She can't pronounce "Finkbeiner." She keeps calling him "Finkbinder." lol.

posted by Ace_Face on Mar 03, 2015 at 12:10:17 pm     #  

Mr. Steel said he was concerned the tax issues had not been disclosed by Ms. Harper during her interview with the party's screening committee.

So Mr. Steel was not concerned about the tax issue, he was concerned that he didn't know about it during the party's screening process?

And he isn't concerned about her communication and work issues?

I actually agree with the commentary from Keith Burris in the Blade today.

In attempting to fill the empty council seat, for example, the party has behaved in its usual grubby and avaricious manner. And the message was: No new face need apply. In fact, no newcomer with a brain, or a shred of independence was encouraged to apply.

Burris also makes a good point about appointing Steve Steel as President of Council.

Itís not only bad government, but a serious conflict of interest.

posted by Spaceace on Mar 03, 2015 at 12:20:36 pm     #   4 people liked this

JaFo was reached for comment finally. Unfortunately, it was just "zzzzzzz"

posted by JoeyGee on Mar 03, 2015 at 12:43:13 pm     #   4 people liked this

Yvonne Harper has single-handedly turned more people away from the Democratic Party in Lucas County than any other person by her loud, rude and arrogant mouth and her sense of entitlement. I don't even go down to Dem HQ anymore because of her. She sure as hell does not belong on Council.
Vote NO on Harper.

posted by Bugsy on Mar 03, 2015 at 03:41:58 pm     #  

4:12 p.m., Tue, Mar 3, 2015 tweet by Ignazio Messina:

Councilman Steven Steel has been elected Toledo council president

Full list of tweets:

Representatives from the local Democratic and Republican parties here for Toledo council for Dist. 4 appointment and presidency vote

Council voting first on president. Ford nominates himself. Cherry nominates Steel. Spang nominates Ludeman.

First vote on president failed. Steel got for votes. Ford got three. Ludeman got three

Second vote on Toledo council president the same

Councilman Steven Steel has been elected Toledo council president

Councilman Steven Steel, the #Dem party chairman, got nine votes to become president of council. Ford got the other 2 votes

posted by jr on Mar 03, 2015 at 04:16:18 pm     #  

https://twitter.com/IgnazioMessina/status/572867975407013890

BREAKING. Steven Steel will "take leave of absence from #Dem party." Was just elected council president.

Due to Blade pressure/reporting?

posted by jr on Mar 03, 2015 at 04:18:00 pm     #   1 person liked this

https://twitter.com/IgnazioMessina/status/572870488327757824

my emphasis added:

Council hearing from those who want Dist 4 seat.

Harper: I have been a Shepard for Dist 4. "I did not just get in the game.. I AM district 4

Holy hell.


https://twitter.com/IgnazioMessina/status/572870748672401408

Harper said she has proof that her income taxes have been paid. The active lien is a mistake


https://twitter.com/IgnazioMessina/status/572870947432054793

Harper, Dem executive director, wants her name removed for the appointment and instead says she will run for the office


https://twitter.com/IgnazioMessina/status/572871374345138177

Harper told #Toledo council to remove her name for consideration for Dist. 4 says she'll do it "the old fashioned way."

Will she run for the District 4 seat in the special May election, or wait until the September primary, since this is the election year for district council seats?

posted by jr on Mar 03, 2015 at 04:33:46 pm     #  

Will she run for the District 4 seat in the special May election, or wait until the September primary...

Only the magic 8 ball knows for sure! Remember, though, that Harper didn't just get in the game, she IS the game.

posted by madjack on Mar 03, 2015 at 04:41:13 pm     #   2 people liked this

Oh, in that case... don't hate the player. Hate the game.

posted by justread on Mar 03, 2015 at 04:47:36 pm     #   1 person liked this

So District 4 is a 65 yr old African-American woman? I have a feeling a lot of the young people moving downtown and creating businesses would disagree.

posted by fred on Mar 03, 2015 at 04:48:17 pm     #  

Congrats to OWE'er Scott Ramsey.

posted by toledolen_ on Mar 03, 2015 at 04:55:03 pm     #  

A warning for District 4 residents.

Harper said that she will do it "the old fashioned way."

Is that legal?


https://twitter.com/IgnazioMessina/status/572875622050971650

Councilman Sykes nominated Harper even though she withdrew.

I knew that it would be a freak show. Was Sykes making a point, or was he simply not paying attention?


https://twitter.com/IgnazioMessina/status/572876255181193217

Scott Ramsey of 2627 Collingwood Blvd., owner of Dart Boat Co., a Toledo manufacturer of mahogany speedboats, Appointed to Dist. 4 seat


https://twitter.com/IgnazioMessina/status/572876603006435328

Scott Ramsey appointed to @city_of_toledo council with six votes from across party lines

posted by jr on Mar 03, 2015 at 04:55:34 pm     #  

Kudos Fred for helping bring this to light.

Props to The Blade too.

posted by Molsonator on Mar 03, 2015 at 04:55:58 pm     #   2 people liked this

http://ramseybros.com

https://twitter.com/Scott__Ramsey

posted by jr on Mar 03, 2015 at 05:00:20 pm     #  

"Kudos Fred for helping bring this to light."....huh? try scrolling upward - as in the tippy top of this thread

posted by justareviewer on Mar 03, 2015 at 07:26:43 pm     #   1 person liked this

Yes, Fred has been all over this long before the Blade's article Saturday. Fred approached it from a different perspective than the Blade but, nonetheless, he covered it well.

And, hat tip to the Blade for their work on this as well. They lent the gray hair to the story for those that find that necessary.

posted by Foodie on Mar 03, 2015 at 07:46:01 pm     #  

thanks, just. Fred gets way too much credit for any change that occurs in Toledo anyway.
Me ? Just doing my civic duty.
I have direct knowledge of YH's incompetence and thought it necessary to share.

posted by Bugsy on Mar 03, 2015 at 07:48:49 pm     #   2 people liked this

Good thing that Fred was apparently unaware that Finkbeiner does not think well of Yvonne Harper. Since Carty is Fred's favorite whipping boy, Fred might have endorsed YH had he known about the animosity between the two parties.

posted by Bandito on Mar 03, 2015 at 08:26:44 pm     #  

What's Ramsey's deal? He hasn't been too involved in Dem politics I presume. And who did the other council members who didn't vote for Ramsey support?

posted by Ace_Face on Mar 03, 2015 at 09:26:46 pm     #  

I get the feeling that they all don't like regular people paying too close of attention to their goings-on.

posted by nana on Mar 03, 2015 at 09:39:13 pm     #   1 person liked this

I get the feeling that they all don't like regular people paying too close of attention to their goings-on.

! posted by nana on Mar 03, 2015 at 09:39:13 pm

I trust you are referring to the council and not the Ramsey's.

posted by Bandito on Mar 03, 2015 at 09:51:23 pm     #   1 person liked this

after every council meeting they post the audio, incase anyone wants to listen. it's super fascinating.... they don't do a good job archiving this stuff so grab if you want to listen in the future:

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8HJyQS8JLASbWRKcGhXS040U0E&usp=sharing&tid=0B8HJyQS8JLASZXB3UzNPSHNraDA

posted by upso on Mar 03, 2015 at 10:20:33 pm     #  

Entertaining Mar 4, 2015 Keith Burris column about yesterday's freak show at Toledo city council, except Burris called the city government escapades burlesque.

Maybe this is why Burris won the Toledo City Paper's "Best Of Toledo 2014" award for print journalist. In one column, I can despise what he writes, but his next column can be enjoyable. I enjoyed his Feb 22, 2015 column about the Andersons family.

I think Burris is relatively new to the Toledo area. Today's column includes observations and conclusions that anyone who has lived here for a while already knows.

Excerpts from today's Burris column:

Man, I miss Mike Collins. He could mangle the language and be pedantic as hell. But he was honorable and had guts. No surprise he was always an outsider.

I learned an important lesson about Toledo politics. The paramount value, and goal, is not that Democrats, Republicans, and independents compete. It is that everyone who belongs to the club gets a cookie at the end of the tree-house meeting.

It's not about party or program. Itís about insiders and outsiders. Not pretty. At a time when the city needed statecraft, it got burlesque.

Mr. Steelís election was assured by nominal representatives of the other party. But members of the club.

Of course Mr. Steelís boss, as everyone knows, is a man named Shaun Enright, head of the Northwestern Ohio Building & Construction Trade Council, who often acts openly as a whip on the council chambers floor ó sending hand signals to council members and the new president.

Iíve never seen such an open and shameless domination of a political body by a special interest.

... what are we to make of a council ó even the Republicans and so-called independents ó that hands all the power to one union and one tiny sliver of a financially, morally, and intellectually bankrupt political party?

The icing on the cake Tuesday was Ms. Harper dramatically withdrawing her name. (Larry Sykes tried to re-enter it.) And Mr. Steel announcing he will take a leave as party chairman ó after he was elected council president, of course.

It felt like pre-scripted playacting and it was. I didnít know whether to throw up or go home and take a shower.

The insincerity oozed through the hall. You could cut it with a knife. Cynicism and self-service ruled the day. And the comedy of everyone getting as low as they could.

All in the game. It is a game. If politics does not serve the common good at all, that only leaves self-interest and self-aggrandizement. If it is not competitive it will inevitably become corrupt.

Service and competition were buried under the ooze at City Council Tuesday.


Welcome to the real world of Toledo goobermint. We should have taken the blue pill.

(the quote actually occurred in a different part of the movie)

posted by jr on Mar 04, 2015 at 09:22:00 am     #  

As I watched the TV news last night, Steve Steele went to each council member to share a word and handshake. Jack ford gave a very limp shake and Larry Sykes held his hand up in the air, not offering a traditional handshake or acknowledging Steve. Must still be bitter about getting pulled over for his driving.

posted by Hoops on Mar 04, 2015 at 09:59:43 am     #  

Iíve never seen such an open and shameless domination of a political body by a special interest.

He should be careful. Duffey will call for his "de-nutting."

posted by justread on Mar 04, 2015 at 10:28:05 am     #  

Bandito posted at 09:51:23 PM on Mar 03, 2015:
I get the feeling that they all don't like regular people paying too close of attention to their goings-on.

! posted by nana on Mar 03, 2015 at 09:39:13 pm

I trust you are referring to the council and not the Ramsey's.

Yes, totally referring to the council and it appears Burris basically agrees. I know nothing about the Mr. Ramsey, but it will be interesting to see how he does in the shark tank. :)

posted by nana on Mar 04, 2015 at 12:04:24 pm     #  

He's chum.

posted by Mariner on Mar 04, 2015 at 01:26:37 pm     #  

Of course Mr. Steelís boss, as everyone knows, is a man named Shaun Enright, head of the Northwestern Ohio Building & Construction Trade Council, who often acts openly as a whip on the council chambers floor ó sending hand signals to council members and the new president.

Never noticed the hand signals, but something suspicious may indeed be afoot. In a random sampling of Enright photos on Google Images, his hands are up to something in almost every pic:

Enright

Shaun "Hands" Enright: I must admit this has a ring to it.

posted by historymike on Mar 04, 2015 at 08:19:08 pm     #   5 people liked this

Hey ding-a-ling. Don't you use YOUR hands also ?
History "foot-in-mouth" Mike: I must admit this has a nice ring to it.

posted by Bugsy on Mar 05, 2015 at 09:24:46 am     #  

Bugsy posted at 09:24:46 AM on Mar 05, 2015:

Hey ding-a-ling. Don't you use YOUR hands also ?
History "foot-in-mouth" Mike: I must admit this has a nice ring to it.

Mike didn't say that, it was from Burris' blade article JR postd above his post.

posted by MIJeff on Mar 05, 2015 at 10:08:02 am     #  

Bugsy posted at 09:24:46 AM on Mar 05, 2015:

Hey ding-a-ling. Don't you use YOUR hands also ?
History "foot-in-mouth" Mike: I must admit this has a nice ring to it.

Mike didn't say that, it was from Burris' blade article JR postd above his post.

posted by MIJeff on Mar 05, 2015 at 10:08:03 am     #  

MIJeff- Nowhere in the article does Mr. Burris refer to Mr. Enright as "Hands" Enright.
That was pure name-calling by "foot-in-mouth" Mike.

posted by Bugsy on Mar 05, 2015 at 11:08:35 am     #  

Excerpts from today's Burris column:
Man, I miss Mike Collins. He could mangle the language and be pedantic as hell. But he was honorable and had guts. No surprise he was always an outsider.

I learned an important lesson about Toledo politics. The paramount value, and goal, is not that Democrats, Republicans, and independents compete. It is that everyone who belongs to the club gets a cookie at the end of the tree-house meeting.

It's not about party or program. Itís about insiders and outsiders. Not pretty. At a time when the city needed statecraft, it got burlesque.

Mr. Steelís election was assured by nominal representatives of the other party. But members of the club.

Of course Mr. Steelís boss, as everyone knows, is a man named Shaun Enright, head of the Northwestern Ohio Building & Construction Trade Council, who often acts openly as a whip on the council chambers floor ó sending hand signals to council members and the new president.

Iíve never seen such an open and shameless domination of a political body by a special interest.

posted by MIJeff on Mar 05, 2015 at 11:24:38 am     #  

Bugsy posted at 11:08:35 AM on Mar 05, 2015:

MIJeff- Nowhere in the article does Mr. Burris refer to Mr. Enright as "Hands" Enright.
That was pure name-calling by "foot-in-mouth" Mike.

Must be a friend of yours then?

posted by MIJeff on Mar 05, 2015 at 11:25:19 am     #   3 people liked this

Well, kinda.
But I try to be friendly with everyone. Even you.
BTW- You have failed to demonstrate where Mr. Burris has stooped to name-calling, such as HM has done.

posted by Bugsy on Mar 05, 2015 at 11:37:04 am     #  

Bugsy posted at 11:08:35 AM on Mar 05, 2015:

MIJeff- Nowhere in the article does Mr. Burris refer to Mr. Enright as "Hands" Enright.
That was pure name-calling by "foot-in-mouth" Mike.

I hate it when a comic premise is so far over my head that I not only fail to grasp the joke, I fail to even recognize the origin of the premise.

posted by justread on Mar 05, 2015 at 11:40:33 am     #   6 people liked this

At least we know that Bugsy will never be known as "tounge-in-cheek" Bugsy. Somebody doesn't grasp the concept.

posted by dell_diva on Mar 05, 2015 at 11:41:29 am     #   2 people liked this

I take name-calling on a public forum kinda serious.

posted by Bugsy on Mar 05, 2015 at 11:43:51 am     #  

Really? That is almost the definition of a public forum.

posted by Molsonator on Mar 05, 2015 at 11:46:27 am     #   7 people liked this

Especially since Shaun could and would kick HM's a*s if HM would say that to his face, instead of hiding behind the keyboard as he does.

posted by Bugsy on Mar 05, 2015 at 11:47:33 am     #  

I take physical threats made on behalf of a public official on a public forum kinda serious.

posted by dell_diva on Mar 05, 2015 at 11:51:19 am     #   13 people liked this

We have a city councilman prone to fisticuffs when someone calls him a name?

Perhaps someone should call Mr. Enright and find out if some keyboard jockey named "Bugsy" speaks for him.

posted by MemyselfandI on Mar 05, 2015 at 11:56:27 am     #   4 people liked this

But wait Bugsy, could your dad beat up his dad? Because I'm pretty sure that's the only true measure of a man's character.

posted by Johio83 on Mar 05, 2015 at 12:02:12 pm     #   8 people liked this

Bugsy posted at 11:47:33 AM on Mar 05, 2015:

Especially since Shaun could and would kick HM's a*s if HM would say that to his face, instead of hiding behind the keyboard as he does.

Historymike is as anonymous as he is small and weak.

posted by justread on Mar 05, 2015 at 12:10:28 pm     #   10 people liked this

dell_diva posted at 11:51:19 AM on Mar 05, 2015:

I take physical threats made on behalf of a public official on a public forum kinda serious.

It was on behalf of a union rep. All in a day's work.

posted by justread on Mar 05, 2015 at 12:13:19 pm     #   4 people liked this

He's no Ray McKigney.

posted by clt212 on Mar 05, 2015 at 12:21:20 pm     #   1 person liked this

Called Vegas they are giving it to History TKO second round.

posted by Mariner on Mar 05, 2015 at 12:23:57 pm     #  

well this thread certainly took an interesting turn!

posted by upso on Mar 05, 2015 at 12:39:17 pm     #   5 people liked this

Bugsy posted at 11:43:51 AM on Mar 05, 2015:

I take name-calling on a public forum kinda serious.

HM said: 'Shaun "Hands" Enright'

That's name-calling? I'm in trouble. I guess the term got redefined in the past 24 hours.

Bugsy started this thread with:

[Harper] is the most bigoted unprofessional ...

Why do the majority of Democratic Clowns on Clowncil ...

... they are spineless politicians ...

Bugsy added to this thread:

Steve Steel is unqualified for most anything politically connected. He is a horrible neighbor. I think that he is a male witch, to tell you the truth. A warlock, if you will.

Back to Harper - what can we do to keep this incompetent racist from being seated on council ???

[Harper] is rude, loud, obnoxious and racist. A real system beater. Vote NO on Harper the racist.

I have direct knowledge of YH's incompetence ...

I did not want to bring up anyone's lack of intelligence, but YH is no Tom Waniewski or Rob Ludeman IMO.


Bugsy's comments elsewhere on this site:

Send that Motherfu**er to my house when he gets out.
Justice will be served.

If I was Mitch Balonek, I would be making some plans to avenge my sister's death at the hands of this ass*ole. If the system lets you down, then you have to remedy the situation yourself.


But Bugsy is perturbed by 'Shaun "Hands" Enright'.

posted by jr on Mar 05, 2015 at 01:07:02 pm     #   12 people liked this

clt212 posted at 12:21:20 PM on Mar 05, 2015:

He's no Ray McKigney.

https://www.linkedin.com/pub/ray-mckigney/26/27/861

posted by justread on Mar 05, 2015 at 01:14:01 pm     #   1 person liked this

^^ LOL

posted by toledolen_ on Mar 05, 2015 at 01:44:36 pm     #  

Wait, is Bugsy the neighbor that complained or "tattletaled" on Steve Steele for tapping his trees? Man, I love maple syrup.

http://www.toledoblade.com/local/2011/03/17/Councilman-s-tree-tap-yields-sticky-situation.html

posted by toledolen_ on Mar 05, 2015 at 01:48:07 pm     #   1 person liked this

Not sure whether to laugh or smack my head at the insanity in this thread, but it sure was entertaining.

50 cents says this thread features a Gary G. outing, though. Not even crazy Monsieur Coon gets as angry as Gary G. does when I post.

posted by historymike on Mar 05, 2015 at 03:56:56 pm     #   3 people liked this

Gary Gygax?

posted by MIJeff on Mar 05, 2015 at 04:01:07 pm     #   1 person liked this

I miss the days of Trader Joe and Mexican restaurant posts.

posted by Molsonator on Mar 05, 2015 at 04:17:01 pm     #  

Molsonator posted at 04:17:01 PM on Mar 05, 2015:

I miss the days of Trader Joe and Mexican restaurant posts.

Here ya go - this one got a bump recently:

http://toledotalk.com/cgi-bin/tt.pl/article/164743/06Nov2013/Los_Dos_Gallos

posted by Foodie on Mar 05, 2015 at 04:23:28 pm     #   1 person liked this

First Gary Gygax reference in TT history?

posted by ahmahler on Mar 05, 2015 at 04:32:54 pm     #   2 people liked this

Probably

posted by MIJeff on Mar 05, 2015 at 06:04:40 pm     #   1 person liked this

Molsonator posted at 04:17:01 PM on Mar 05, 2015:

I miss the days of Trader Joe and Mexican restaurant posts.

Hang in there. With warmer weather coming, we'll soon have a severe thunderstorm thread.

posted by jr on Mar 05, 2015 at 06:14:38 pm     #   4 people liked this

Bugsy posted at 11:47:33 AM on Mar 05, 2015:

Especially since Shaun could and would kick HM's a*s if HM would say that to his face, instead of hiding behind the keyboard as he does.

posted by Ace_Face on Mar 05, 2015 at 08:14:10 pm     #   8 people liked this

District 4 just can't catch a break:
http://www.toledoblade.com/Politics/2015/03/25/Newest-councilman-faces-own-tax-woes.html

posted by Anniecski on Mar 25, 2015 at 09:19:21 am     #  

This is a totally overblown issue. He has a small business and is on a payment plan.

posted by Johio83 on Mar 25, 2015 at 09:36:43 am     #  

I've got a +3 Sword of troll slaying I'm willing to rent out. Reasonable terms.

posted by madjack on Mar 25, 2015 at 10:30:51 am     #  

Larry "4DWBLK" Sykes is pretty butthurt about Yvonne Harper not getting that seat.

http://www.toledoblade.com/Politics/2015/03/25/Councilmen-not-aware-of-Ramsey-s-tax-issues-Sykes-says.html

posted by toledolen_ on Mar 25, 2015 at 12:18:57 pm     #  

"Lucas County Land Bank President David Mann said Mr. Ramsey and his company are not in default of his agreements, but he has missed deadlines."

Also, it's unfortunate that David Mann happens to be the Treasurer of the Lucas County Dems... while being quoted in the first of TWO articles in The Blade today about this.

posted by toledolen_ on Mar 25, 2015 at 12:21:52 pm     #  

I knew Larry Sykes would be licking his chops when this news came out. But it seemed to me that Yvonne was dumped for being a royal pain in the ass as much as much as for having a tax lien.

But why is this coming out now? Has Ramsey already done something to upset Pittsburgh?

Also, I really don't have a problem with someone being a few thousand dollars behind in their taxes when they are on a payment plan. As people who work for themselves know, cash flow is the most difficult thing about being self-employed.

posted by Ace_Face on Mar 25, 2015 at 02:01:02 pm     #   3 people liked this

What is the difference between being "not in default of his agreements" and "but he has missed deadlines"?

posted by Mike21 on Mar 25, 2015 at 03:20:35 pm     #  

It would lead one to believe that not every missed deadline triggers a full and formal "default" as described in the agreements.

posted by justread on Mar 25, 2015 at 03:29:13 pm     #   3 people liked this

Begs the question: How many "missed deadlines" does it take to be "in default"...

posted by Mike21 on Mar 25, 2015 at 03:32:21 pm     #  

It's probably along the lines of any project with lots of moving parts...

where there are key targets to hit for certain pieces, but the overall renovation is moving along. Just a guess.

posted by toledolen_ on Mar 25, 2015 at 03:36:30 pm     #  

Mike21 posted at 04:32:21 PM on Mar 25, 2015:

Begs the question: How many "missed deadlines" does it take to be "in default"...

Perhaps the number of "missed deadlines" is not the trigger, but the number days beyond the deadline. For example, a homeowner can typically be 9 days late each and every month for the life of a loan, and never trigger a default or foreclosure. However, if they were more than 90 days late, they likely would.

posted by justread on Mar 25, 2015 at 03:41:20 pm     #  

Guess we would have to see the agreements to see the particulars... does anyone know if it is public information?

posted by Mike21 on Mar 25, 2015 at 03:44:06 pm     #  

I got here late, when is the fight between the council guy and some TT member?

posted by hockeyfan on Mar 25, 2015 at 03:46:10 pm     #  

Maybe "missed deadlines" doesn't mean he is default on tax payments.

posted by MIJeff on Mar 25, 2015 at 05:10:26 pm     #  

So is Sykes saying he is incompetent and did not vet any of the candidates and only relies on the Blade to tell him who to vote for? I thought each of the candidates were questioned by City Council. Why is he holding a news conference to tell us that he and others on council did not do their job?

posted by toledoramblingman on Mar 25, 2015 at 06:07:46 pm     #   7 people liked this

Hilarious to read comments on the blade from people carrying on because he and Ms. Harper were held to different standards. Of course they were. They are different people, representing different parties, with different experience, different areas for our concern, and different credentials.
Harper was a really tainted political operative/candidate with alleged tax issues.
Ramsey was not a tainted candidate or political operative, who now we know has some alleged tax issues.

A big difference here is that Mr. Ramsey is also responsible for coming up with the business/revenue to pay those taxes, and as a self-employed person, pays more taxes too.

One of these people, it would seem has more political experience, and one has more business experience.

Let the idiots on council dance around and try not to get any of this on themselves, but I still like Ramsey compared to the alternatives currently offered. I personally value the things that self-employed people learn, and how those learnings can be leveraged in dealing with future situations.

And, once again... we learn how hypervetting chills the number and quality of citizens willing to be run under the microscope of the blade by virtue of seeking roles in public service.

Knowing that Ramsey has taxes on a payment plan is reasonable.
However, running this up the flagpole again each and every day like they did to Anita Lopez is not news. It's political manipulation.

posted by justread on Mar 26, 2015 at 09:42:03 am     #   2 people liked this

12 delinquent water bills didn't keep Tyrone Riley off of council.

If everyone must be treated like Harper now, so that the world is "fair," I expect Riley's resignation and the resignations of any member of council who voted for him by the end of the day.

posted by justread on Mar 26, 2015 at 09:45:57 am     #   6 people liked this

I don't know Mr Ramsey, never met him. I do know that unpaid sales tax usually means he charged his customers sales tax, collected the sales tax, and then the following month when it was time to file the return and pay the tax for the prior month, didn't send the money in. It happens. Not a good habit to fall into, but it happens.

Small businesses struggle more than people realize, and if somebody didn't pay the business when due, or a customers check bounces, and you have a choice between sending in the sales tax to the state, or paying the electricity to keep going so that you can finish another job, it's a common scenario, often through no fault of your own.

When that happens, you are then hit with penalties, interest, and assessments that are more than twice what the original tax amount was. Now, the guy who bounced the big check, or that customer who has been in arrears to you, they finally pay up, you immediately send in the monies to the state, the entire tax amount, and something towards the penalties and interest.

If it's not all paid in full, even though you have essentially paid the entire tax amount (late) , but not all the penalties and interest yet, guess what-- it's all sent over to the attorney general as "unpaid sales tax".

So, what's my point ? Nobody knows for sure what happened here. He's on a payment plan. He's trying to fix it. If wasn't trying to fix it, the state would have pulled his vendors license by now.

posted by foodie88 on Mar 27, 2015 at 02:33:43 pm     #  

And before anybody bites my head off, yes, I know, it wasn't his money to use, he is acting as an agent to collect the sales tax, but I've seen this happen so many times, they file the return without payment , with the intention of sending the monies in at a later date, and then things snowball from there.

posted by foodie88 on Mar 27, 2015 at 02:37:14 pm     #  

OK, so the Blade is endorsing the 23 year old treasurer of the Lucas County Republican party to fill the seat? Wha?

http://www.toledoblade.com/Featured-Editorial-Home/2015/04/08/Narvaez-for-City-Council.html

posted by Ace_Face on Apr 08, 2015 at 04:10:02 pm     #  

Ace_Face posted at 05:10:02 PM on Apr 08, 2015:

OK, so the Blade is endorsing the 23 year old treasurer of the Lucas County Republican party to fill the seat? Wha?

http://www.toledoblade.com/Featured-Editorial-Home/2015/04/08/Narvaez-for-City-Council.html

I'd rather have an idealistic "kid" than any of the old/union lackey f@#kers that have been farting into seats for the past ____ years.

How did the Blade building stay vertical after this endorsement of a Republican? Surely the foundation cracked...

posted by oldhometown on Apr 08, 2015 at 04:22:34 pm     #   2 people liked this

oldhometown posted at 05:22:34 PM on Apr 08, 2015:
Ace_Face posted at 05:10:02 PM on Apr 08, 2015:

OK, so the Blade is endorsing the 23 year old treasurer of the Lucas County Republican party to fill the seat? Wha?

http://www.toledoblade.com/Featured-Editorial-Home/2015/04/08/Narvaez-for-City-Council.html

I'd rather have an idealistic "kid" than any of the old/union lackey f@#kers that have been farting into seats for the past ____ years.

How did the Blade building stay vertical after this endorsement of a Republican? Surely the foundation cracked...

So would I, but I would have thought that their endorsement would have gone to the other young idealist: Scott Ramsey.

posted by Ace_Face on Apr 08, 2015 at 07:51:41 pm     #  

Anybody who holds any position in the local Republican Party has to either be an active supporter of Stainbrook or at least kowtow to him. The willingness of anyone to do so means I automatically write them off as unsuitable for elected office.

posted by Ace_Face on Apr 08, 2015 at 07:55:58 pm     #   3 people liked this

I endorse my friend, Sam Melden. He's an independent, and someone that is built to deal with the political process. Sincere, smart, a great listener and very respectful. Get to know this guy. If he doesn't get the seat immediately, he's also running in November.

posted by ahmahler on Apr 08, 2015 at 08:00:59 pm     #  

I'd also vote for Narvaez if I lived in district 4.

posted by 6th_Floor on Apr 08, 2015 at 08:43:52 pm     #   1 person liked this

Where's Ed Emery when we need him?

posted by shamrock44 on Apr 08, 2015 at 08:49:40 pm     #  

6th_Floor posted at 09:43:52 PM on Apr 08, 2015:

I'd also vote for Narvaez if I lived in district 4.

You can't be serious.

posted by SherryET on Apr 08, 2015 at 09:28:49 pm     #  

I'll admit I don't know much about him, but among that field he's probably the best choice.

posted by 6th_Floor on Apr 08, 2015 at 09:59:43 pm     #  

Ace_Face posted at 08:55:58 PM on Apr 08, 2015:

Anybody who holds any position in the local Republican Party has to either be an active supporter of Stainbrook or at least kowtow to him. The willingness of anyone to do so means I automatically write them off as unsuitable for elected office.

posted by nits on Apr 09, 2015 at 01:09:42 am     #  

nits posted at 02:09:42 AM on Apr 09, 2015:
Ace_Face posted at 08:55:58 PM on Apr 08, 2015:

Anybody who holds any position in the local Republican Party has to either be an active supporter of Stainbrook or at least kowtow to him. The willingness of anyone to do so means I automatically write them off as unsuitable for elected office.

This is the issue 6th and endorsed by the Blade.

posted by SherryET on Apr 09, 2015 at 07:02:05 am     #  

Mr. Narvaez is a good kid who is earnest and could bring some good insight to city council.

However, his close association with Jon Stainbrook gives me pause.

posted by MemyselfandI on Apr 09, 2015 at 10:21:21 am     #   1 person liked this

District 4, or at least of few of them, have spoken.
Yvonne Harper it is.

This brings a refreshing new voice to council. The voice of a union-owned democrat who was sued for not bothering to pay income taxes and has a history of conflicts. This should really mix things up.

posted by justread on May 06, 2015 at 10:25:08 am     #   7 people liked this

May 6, 2015 - Maumee Dearest: The three branches of city government

posted by jr on May 06, 2015 at 10:46:05 am     #   7 people liked this

Would be sad, if it wasn't true.

posted by MIJeff on May 06, 2015 at 11:03:21 am     #  

Unfortunately that's the countries political system - local, state and especially federal (some congressman have been in office for 5+ decades!!!)

posted by Xbuckeyex on May 06, 2015 at 11:15:16 am     #  

It is 100% the majority voters' fault. These politicians get voted in, people keep criticizing them and their actions while they are in office, then they re-elect them.

posted by Mike21 on May 06, 2015 at 11:43:10 am     #  

Unfortunately the Maumee Dearest cartoon would sum up Toledo politics exactly if they would have included the good old boys network in there

posted by jamesteroh on May 06, 2015 at 11:59:44 am     #  

jr posted at 11:46:05 AM on May 06, 2015:

May 6, 2015 - Maumee Dearest: The three branches of city government

My question about this diagram is where the Blocks fit in. Would they be geezers, or nepotists? Or is there a missing label for Strong Publisher?

posted by justread on May 06, 2015 at 12:25:31 pm     #  

Mike21 posted at 12:43:10 PM on May 06, 2015:

It is 100% the majority voters' fault. These politicians get voted in, people keep criticizing them and their actions while they are in office, then they re-elect them.

A-f*cking-men to that statement. Few things more dangerous than a low information voter.

posted by Foodie on May 06, 2015 at 12:56:50 pm     #  

"It is 100% the majority voters' fault."

It seems that the best way to counter the majority vote is for the majority of the public to vote.

I assume that most people don't vote because they have other interests. And the non-voters learned long ago that paying attention to politics accomplishes nothing.

Voter turnout was extremely low ó 4.4 percent.

Council district 4 includes central Toledo, downtown, Old West End, and North Toledo.

All six of councilís district seats are up for a primary election in September and a general election in November.

May 5, 2015 District 4 council race:

  • Harper had 592 votes
  • Ashford 390
  • Ramsey 318
  • Narvaez 121
    • total votes = 1421

Voter turnout for the September primary will be around 15 percent. Voter turnout for the November general election will be approximately 25 percent, although statewide issues may increase turnout a little.

posted by jr on May 06, 2015 at 01:12:57 pm     #  

Unfortunately most people would rather bitch and complain instead of voting for change - with the exception of the people who do vote but don't get what they voted for. How bad do things have to get before all - or even a majority - of people who are eligible to vote actually do so?

posted by Mike21 on May 06, 2015 at 01:41:58 pm     #  

I voted yesterday, in Michigan, can't help you schlubs in Toledo, but I can still complain about "your" choices. I do most of my shopping and business in Toledo.

posted by MIJeff on May 06, 2015 at 02:13:03 pm     #  

Glad to see the folks in my home state were wise enough to not only say "no" but "HELL NO" to the "road improvement tax." I think we all know you'd have been fleeced out of more of your hard earned $$ and still driving on shitty roads.

posted by Foodie on May 06, 2015 at 02:16:24 pm     #  

I'm sure more people vote in local high school student council elections than showed up to vote yesterday.

posted by JoeyGee on May 06, 2015 at 02:19:20 pm     #  

That was a stupid overreach on the Michigan governments part, if it had been only a .25% and strictly by wording and law for the sole purpose of road improvement I might have voted yes.

posted by MIJeff on May 06, 2015 at 06:00:00 pm     #