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Seventeen Reasons Why America is Great

Seventeen Reasons Why America is Great

By John

#17: Barbecue

There are at least as many variants of this American-devised cuisine as there are barbecue cooks in America, and the proper way to make barbecue sauce is a major topic of controversy in some areas.

And barbecue is mighty fine eats, too.

#16: Norman Rockwell

Modern artists and modern art professors are down on Norman Rockwell for the same reason that the Pharisees were down on Jesus. They want to be important, but there's someone who deserves it more and they resent it.

I admit that other nations have had good artists, and I agree that France's William Bouguereau is better than Rockwell. But he married an American.

#15: Harley-Davidson

I wish Harleys were quieter bikes, especially at 10:30 PM when the Harley riders go up my street, but I can cut a lot of slack for something this cool.

#14: The Automobile

In case you haven't noticed, the streets of your town are no longer covered with horse manure. You can thank Henry Ford for that.

#13: The Hamburger

Grilling hamburgers is the best way to spend a sunny afternoon outdoors without taking one's clothes off.

In addition to McDonald's, Burger King, Wendy's, Hardee's, Fuddrucker's, and the other chain stores and independent restaurants that have this most excellent sandwich as their featured item, virtually every restaurant that has ground beef in the kitchen has a hamburger on the menu. No true American eschews the hamburger, except on the advice of a competent physician.

In my humble opinion the perfect hamburger has pepper jack cheese, jalapeno peppers, light mayo, lettuce, tomato, onions, and mustard; however, if I am the grill sergeant for the day—and I often am—a fresh, hot patty on a soft roll is highly acceptable fare, and will occupy the hand that is not holding the spatula.

Tales are told of how the hamburger originated in Germany (the name itself is a German adjective that means "from Hamburg"), but the item of cuisine that crossed over the Atlantic is like the American version only in that they contain ground beef.

#12: Thanksgiving

Thanksgiving is as essentially American as Independence Day, and I daresay even more so; while the Fourth of July celebrates a political event—which every nation has in abundance—Thanksgiving celebrates prosperity, which most nations have only at fleeting moments.

Surely there is no better way to celebrate anything than to sit down with loved ones at a table laden with food; then, after eating slightly more than just the right amount of that food, to sit and watch the Lions lose.

#11: Wal-Mart

I'd be happier if Wal-Mart wasn't at the forefront of the current wave of outsourcing to China, but I like the idea of a store that has just about everything I want at reasonable prices and is open all the time. A lot of people whine that Wal-Mart runs smaller stores out of business, but this isn't true. It's the customers who run them out of business. In a free market, the replacement of one business by another is the result of the thousands of individual purchasing decisions made by the customers. In essence, the customers decide who gets to run a business.

But those who Know What's Best for Everyone Else don't like that. To them, paying higher prices for lower variety and more restricted hours is all good and fine as long as they can have things their way.

#10: We've Got Your Culture

For you non-Americans, this means that some of your fellow countrymen, in times past, have emigrated to the United States, and brought some of your culture with them. The parts we liked, we adopted as our own. This primarily extends to cuisine, but also includes other cultural developments as well. We've improved on many of them.

The upshot: People who opine about Americans' lack of culture are speaking nonsense. We have your culture, unless there's nothing good about it.

#9: The Bottomless Glass

During the most recent decade or so, an American restauranteur/restauranteuse noticed that a glass of soda costs only pennies, and after careful experiment confirmed that most people, when allowed to have all they want, will drink two or three at most, and that the sparing few who go hog-wild still leave the restaurant with a healthy profit on the transaction. Hence the bottomless drink was born.

At most major chains in America it is now de rigeur to have unlimited refills on all soft drinks during a single visit to the establishment. This means that you don't have to measure out your soda over the course of the meal, but can drink it as you please, and the waiter or waitress will bring you another if the one you have gets empty. At most fast-food places there is a soda fountain out in the dining area so that the customers can get all they want, and there are some full-service restaurants which will refill your soda as much as you wish, and then give you a full carry-out cup to go when you leave. You might believe that the unshackled capitalists of America would be too eager to gouge the customer at every opportunity, but you would have to be rather misinformed of practical economics to persist in this belief.

On the other hand, restaurants in Germany still charge for each glass of soda. Since they charge about double what American restaurants charge, I guess that the German government, which never met a tax it didn't like, demands a cut of every glass.

#8: College Football

Since I was born in Buffalo and grew up near Detroit, professional football holds little charm for me. But Michigan has Wolverine football and Spartan football, and most other states have something to be proud of.

Being in the Air Force, I have another team to cheer for: The Falcons. Fisher Deberry was the greatest coach in football, yea, greater than Lombardi, greater than Shula; his teams, though not the product of massive football recruiting efforts, are often ranked at some point in the season.

#7: Moral Restraint

Let us not dissemble: If Americans wanted to rule the world, there would be only one government today, it would be seated in Washington DC, and everyone who objected would join Hiroshima and Nagasaki in the Glow-in-the-Dark Club.

The reason we have not already done this is because true Americans value the freedom of others every bit as much as we value our own. We have refrained from conquering the world because we believe that conquering it would be wrong.

There are hordes of anti-Americans who, not having any grasp of moral restraint, believe that we are on a course of world conquest, or they believe that we are too weak to do so. By mouthing either error, they are really confessing that if they had the power, they would set about ruling others. To them, to have power and not use it is literally unthinkable. To Americans, it isn't, and that is why there is no American Empire.

#6: The Second Amendment

History tells us that every dictatorship has permitted only its own loyalists to keep and bear arms. From this we may conclude that America is not a dictatorship.

A lot of people, non-Americans especially, point to our somewhat lax gun laws as proof that America has somehow not progressed into the modern era. In addition to forgetting that victim disarmament laws have been around since the dawn of time (which proves that gun control and modernity are completely unrelated), they also fail to realize that if the United Stated were to become a dictatorship, it would set about conquering the rest of the world. So for those who don't want their government to be seated in Washington, it is their best for America to remain a free country, and that as long as Americans have their arms, America will be free.

Consequently, as much as every non-American may wish otherwise, it is in their best interest for private gun ownership to remain legal in America. Gun rights are the canary in the coal mine of freedom. As long as American private citizens are allowed to own and bear arms, the rest of the world will be safe from American conquest.

#5: Dr. Seuss

Although he was sufficiently unprincipled to pass off didactic propaganda (The Lorax and The Butter Battle Book) as children's literature, his contributions outweigh his sins. Children will read Green Eggs and Ham for as long as thoughts are composed in the English language.

#4: The Western

The one truly American genre of movies is the western. Although its American nature appears to derive from the story setting (almost always somewhere in the American west), the western is American because it reflects the basis of American moral reasoning. This principle is that people who agress against others have no place in society and no claim on our sympathies, and that we have the right to restrain, remove or even destroy such people.

Additionally, the western is cool, and has provided, among other things, a much better use for Rossini's The William Tell Overture.

#3: Religious Freedom

Of all nations, America has the largest proportion of people who take the Bible seriously. This is because we have never had a government program to achieve this end. Those nations with official religions have religious police to protect the illusion of piety, or the hollow shells of once-great religious institutions. Every nation that has atheism (or Islam) as the official state position on religion has required goon squads, jails, and torture chambers to make it stick. America has thriving, stagnant, and dying religious establishments, each according to the ability of its members to present a persuasive case. America is neither a Christian nation nor an atheist nation. It is free.

Although some people seem to think otherwise, Christianity at the present time is demonstrating greater resiliency than Islam, for the simple fact that no Muslim dwells in a society where his faith is under attack, whereas most Christians do. Don't believe me?

In any predominantly Muslim country (or for that matter, any society with more than a handful of Muslims, such as the greater London area), the mere accusation that one has slandered Islam (or merely left it) is sufficient to endanger the personal safety of the accused. In those cases where it is not official government policy to punish criticism of Islam, the government turns a blind eye when Islamic vigilantes beat or murder Islam's critics, or, in the case of London, takes only defensive actions when the calls for violence come from Islamic circles. It will come as no surprise that criticism of Islam is rare to non-existent in predominantly Islamic countries, whereas criticism of other religions is commonplace and often government-funded.
In countries where Christianity predominates (if only in name), not even the most brazen insult to any Christian figure will bring more than a stack of hate mail, and any attempt by Christians to violently express their religion is swiftly addressed by the government. In these countries, criticism of Christianity is still more common than criticism of Islam.
It remains an unrefuted fact that Islam's influence would decline significantly if it were not granted the license to force itself upon unwilling subjects. Not a single government of importance is both hostile to Islam and friendly to Christianity, while the reverse condition holds in many places. The only governments that restrict Islamic expression oppress all religions equally.

#2: Monopoly

Monopoly is the greatest board game ever devised by the mind of man. It is the perfect mixture of chance and skill. It was designed by one man, who produced it and sold it on his own after the committee at the game company turned down his idea. It is so great that it has versions for every major US city, many US colleges and universities, many foreign lands, and even some areas of special interest. Its premise is America's premise: Here are the rules, now do your best. Its rules and terminology have entered the vocabulary of every true American. We all know what "Do Not Pass Go" means, and why the hotel on Boardwalk is greatly to be coveted.

#1: Freedom

I will brook neither dissent nor quibbling. America is great because America is free. Everything else that is great about America is a result of the freedoms that Americans enjoy. In evidence, I submit these two facts:

I have never seen a freedom-hater who liked America. Not even one.
I have never seen an anti-American who valued freedom. Oh, they talk about things they want, and call them "freedoms," but these "freedoms" always take the form of favors from government: Make him share his stuff, make him let me into the club, make him do things my way, make him stop offending me. Real freedom is the opposite: Let me keep my stuff, let me choose whom I associate with, let me live my own life, let me speak freely.

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Sad really that you have not woken up to the evil Wal-Mart monopoly. But I guess you like 30 million square feet of empty buildings littered across America, low wages and sending your money to red China. All in the name of “saving” a buck. You are brainwashed.

posted by Ryan on Jul 17, 2008 at 10:58:04 am     #



That response was to "John" of course. If you want a good laugh, read his blog. It should be required reading in every comp class as an example of how trying to "write cute" is annoying as all get out.

posted by Ryan on Jul 17, 2008 at 11:00:22 am     #



Low wages at Wal-Mart? All the people I know who work for Wal-Mart are in managerial positions and take home a nice paycheck. Maybe the unskilled workers aren't payed much, but that's part of economics. Learn some skills, become better, rise in rank and you'll get better pay.
Most discount stores rely heavily on China for cheap goods. Hell, even the iPod is made in China. I don't see all the high-brow, coffee-sippin' china bashers pointing their finger at Apple as being a red China supporter?

posted by JJFad on Jul 17, 2008 at 11:23:24 am     #



red China

LOL, have we time-traveled back to the 50's-60's??

posted by McCaskey on Jul 17, 2008 at 11:40:28 am     #



LOL! I don’t think I even knew I wrote that. Maybe because I was seeing red?

Anyhoos – WM blows.

posted by Ryan on Jul 17, 2008 at 11:47:21 am     #



Ryan, you don't like Walmart - what would you suggest to fix the problem?

posted by babbleman on Jul 17, 2008 at 12:16:48 pm     #



{Red China}--Not you, Ryan. JJFad.

posted by McCaskey on Jul 17, 2008 at 12:29:15 pm     #



People need to stop being lazy and stop shopping there until they change their ways. But that will never happen because they honestly believe that WalMart is the only store with low prices. And while they may be true on some items, it certainly isn’t across the board. I have seen first hand what happens when their buyers demand a certain low price from a vendor. Jobs get cut and in doing so, so does quality obviously. Actually I have had this conversation so many times that if people don’t get it by now, they just won’t. until it effects them, that’s when they will care. Sad.

posted by Ryan on Jul 17, 2008 at 01:30:19 pm     #



Thanks Ryan. It sounds like individual action is your cure which I am completely in support of. I don't care one way or another whether someone likes or dislikes Walmart. As long as you they are not suggesting the government be used to fix the problems you see.

posted by babbleman on Jul 17, 2008 at 02:13:49 pm     #



Ryan, that doesn't sound like a solution. Do you complain about Target too? They follow Walmart's business plan closely.

Also, what is wrong with Walmart asking for rock-bottom pricing from their vendors? You may want to rethink where you direct your angst. Those vendors don't have to agree to that pricing. Yell at them for agreeing to such unfavorable terms.

Personally, I don't shop at Walmart because I don't care for the gigantic stores. It's not that they're dealing with "Red China".

posted by Postal on Jul 17, 2008 at 02:25:07 pm     #



Ryan, that doesn't sound like a solution.

Sure its a solution. Convincing customers not to buy from them is just as valid as convincing suppliers not to sell to them. Two other angles would be getting employees not work for them and getting investors not to fund them.

I think maybe what you mean is not that his solution is bad, but his determination of a problem. If that's the case, I would agree with you there. I completely disagree with Ryan's perception of a problem. But at least his proposed solution does not grow government or reduce freedom. He is trying to change minds - good for him - that is TRUE activism and the stuff that leaders are made of.

posted by babbleman on Jul 17, 2008 at 02:36:39 pm     #



They don't ask for anything, they demand it. They have a legal monopoly which I am against.

posted by Ryan on Jul 17, 2008 at 02:37:10 pm     #



They don't ask for anything, they demand it. They have a legal monopoly which I am against.

They have a monopoly? How do you describe monopoly?

posted by babbleman on Jul 17, 2008 at 02:39:19 pm     #



1. exclusive control of a commodity or service in a particular market, or a control that makes possible the manipulation of prices.

Granted, they do not have sole exclusivity, YET. But they are pretty darn close and that day will be one scary one. When we are all forced to shop there because every other store collapsed because they could not compete. Meanwhile, as they trudge through to that day the days of people being able to make a good wage at stores are dwindling. Kroger for example has sliced wages to the max in their contracts. You used to be able to make a decent wage there after a few years, but unless your grandfathered that isn’t necessarily the case anymore. Just like the thread the other day that asked about good bike shops, well in a few years we will not have to ask, we will know there is only one and that’s the one inside Wally World. I could not in good conscious ever buy anything there. And it doesn’t stop at those issues. Think about how loaded the owners are yet you and I give more away to causes each year based on percentage of salaries. Scary, sad and wrong. I could go on and on and on. But I am done. Like I said, people wither get it or they don’t or they get it and don’t care. It is a “Me” society after all.

posted by Ryan on Jul 17, 2008 at 03:02:53 pm     #



So, Ryan, a monopoly is something that renders a market not free and that is certainly not a good thing. It is one of the things that require government force to make sure it doesn't happen. Many classical liberals will argue that government shouldn't even have anti-trust laws because government will abuse them. Often they argue that, in a sufficiently diverse and large economy, true monopolies cannot happen and, even when they seem to be, they are very unstable and can upset by, among other things, people like you that don't like it.

However, that is about the only place where I disagree with classical liberals. I don't disagree that government will abuse anti-trust laws - indeed they do. Just look at organized labor - legalized collusion through statutory exemptions to anti-trust laws. However, to me, the risk of government abuse is worth having the ability to quickly dissolve something that clogs the market.

That said, we do have anti-trust laws. So, if Walmart has a monopoly, why isn't the fed stepping in?

posted by babbleman on Jul 17, 2008 at 03:17:26 pm     #



Can I add another?

American Music

Europe might have created the symphony, but from the early 20th century forward, the United States has created the music that rules the world. From early New Orleans jazz and Delta Blues right up on through house music and hip-hop, American music is constantly changing, combining and progressing in a way that no other country's music does. And no other country can produce the kind of innovators that we have: Scott Joplin, Ella Fitzgerald, Robert Johnson, Elvis Presley, Aretha Franklin, Frank Sinatra, John Coltrane, Jimi Hendrix, James Brown, Marvin Gaye, Johnny Cash, the list goes on and on and on.

posted by Ace_Face on Jul 17, 2008 at 06:39:43 pm     #



There is a 0% chance that the time will ever come that we can only shop Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart is good at what they do, and they should be applauded for those things they do well, but they could and never will replace places like Walt Churchill's Market, Bear Mountain, Mr. Freeze or several other niche local businesses. Wal-Mart sells cheap, and I personally go there when I know I can't get the same item elsewhere for the same price.

There are several corporations who have done ill-mannered things to their employees in the past. Wal-Mart's big stumble is that they have denied unions the ability to enter their company. Personally, I give them praise for not allowing their business to be ruined by money-hungry unions.

posted by JJFad on Jul 17, 2008 at 08:13:01 pm     #



Mr. Freeze sells groceries? Churchills hasn't closed several (all but one I think) locations? You can get a pork loin at Bear Mountain?

Please.

posted by Ryan on Jul 17, 2008 at 09:14:00 pm     #



Not allowing unions at WalMart was a stumble, yet you praise them for it?

That is pretty conradictory.

And you shop at WM because you THINK you are saving. I had a coworker bring in a receipt and went online and found almost everything at other stores at the same price and some cases even cheaper.

You are brain washed.

posted by Ryan on Jul 17, 2008 at 09:16:28 pm     #



P.S. - Said coworker didn't care and continues shopping there. It's all in the head. I just laugh because she drives an Envoy so I know she spends 8 bucks just getting there and back.

posted by Ryan on Jul 17, 2008 at 09:17:52 pm     #



Ryan - did you find individual items cheaper at separate stores? Or did you find the whole shopping list cheaper at one store?

That makes a difference (especially with gas prices). There was a local study done in the Toledo Free Press last week comparing prices for local grocery stores for a defined shopping list.

WalMart had the lowest overall price by a pretty good margin:

Wal-Mart total: $14.08

Kroger total: $17.52

Walt Churchills total: $18.90

Kazmaier total: $19.13

Meijer total: $17.32

Andersons total: $16.42

(items on the list were fairly standard grocery items: bread, milk, eggs, apples, oranges, bananas, and cucumbers)

http://www.toledofreepress.com/?id=8247

(Note: I don't generally shop at WalMart. I divide my time between Andersons Market, Kroger, and Giant Eagle. Those 3 are all pretty much around the corner from me, and I can buy Scrip cards to get money off my kids' school tuition.)

posted by mom2 on Jul 17, 2008 at 10:15:40 pm     #



Forgot to add the math...

Anderson's was closest to WalMart, only 16.62% higher for the shopping list. (Probably helped that the list was produce heavy and Andersons is great for produce...as much as I do love shopping at the Market, most stuff except product is on the pricey side....lots of specialty stuff.)

The rest of the stores were at least 20% higher than WalMart for the list. (Meijer - 23.01% higher, Kroger - 24.43% higher, Walt Churchill's 34.23% higher, and Kazmaier 35.87% higher.)

While an individual store might beat WalMart for the price of an individual item, I strongly suspect that if you compile any "typical" grocery/household product list WalMart would have the best price for the total list.

(And again...I'm not typically a WalMart shopper. I probably end up in a WalMart fewer than 5 times a year.)

If you want to do an experiment, you could always compile your own list like the Free Press did. :)

posted by mom2 on Jul 17, 2008 at 10:25:39 pm     #



P.S. The study in the Free Press was done locally and for groceries, so I think that's more relevant than the one I'm about to link. That being said...

Here's a link to a guy who did a comparison shopping trip for 20 items at WalMart and Target. Also pasting the conclusion of his comparison:

http://www.cockeyed.com/citizen/target/walmart_versus_target01.html

Walmart had a lower price for the total of all 20 items. The Walmart advantage for this batch was $4.89, or 4.06% of the total price.

Walmart had a lower price on 12 of the 20 items. Their mean price advantage on these 12 was 81 cents, but the difference was usually less than a quarter.

Target had a lower price on only six items. The mean price advantage on these six was also 81 cents, but the median advantage was 55 cents.

It was fun to compare prices in Target and Walmart. Obviously a 20-item test isn't a particularly thorough price-comparison, but I'm satisfied that these results will help to illuminate the difference in these two discount retail chains.

posted by mom2 on Jul 17, 2008 at 11:00:45 pm     #



Another grocery price comparison between WalMart, Dillons (division of Kroger), and a grocery store called Price Cutter.

21 items total on the list.

WalMart had the lowest price for the total list by 19.5%.

Author's summary:
As shown above, WalMart beat the nearest competitor , Price Cutter, by $12.28, or 19.5 PERCENT!
WalMart was 23.5 PERCENT cheaper than the most expensive competitor, Dillons.

Let's assume the average family spends $550 month on groceries, and they shop at WalMart. Keeping the ratios equal, those groceries would cost $718 at Dillons, and $682 at nearest competitor Price Cutter.

That's a yearly savings of $2,016 over Dillons, and $1,584 compared to Price Cutter!

Story link: http://www.internetdope.com/Walmart_versus_Kroger_versus_Price_Cutter.html

posted by mom2 on Jul 17, 2008 at 11:06:35 pm     #



I don't want to bombard the board too much, so I'll just link the other price comparisons individually. (Ryan - I'm not being sarcastic when I say that I'd be curious to hear the results if you did a similar study locally. Obviously, local current comparisons are the most relevant to all of us...like the one in the Free PRess.)

The links:

WalMart had best prices out of 5 stores for a list of 21 items: http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/252864/a_grocery_store_price_comparison/index.html

This article was written to compare the prices between "good" parts of Denver with "bad" parts of Denver. (Showing that groceries in the affluent areas tend to be cheaper.) But WalMart was also the lowest priced out of the stores surveyed (whether in the "good" or "bad" neighborhoods): http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_8818445

Anyhow...you get the point. (BTW - I wasn't trying to be biased and only report comparisons where WalMart won overall...I just didn't find any where they didn't win. If anyone can find some, by all means link them. I was trying to be as fair as possible.)

P.S. Prices or not, my 2 favorite stores are still the Andersons Market and Giant Eagle. :) Kroger is growing on me too.

posted by mom2 on Jul 17, 2008 at 11:17:26 pm     #



mom2, I believe we are in the same zip code.

We LOVE Andersons Market. Kroger has always been our staple but I'm not sure if I like the new expansion. I was just in there tonight and I felt like I needed a bike to get from produce to the frozen section.

I like the beer cave at Giant Eagle but I wish it was full of the Anderson's beer selection :)

posted by babbleman on Jul 18, 2008 at 12:06:53 am     #



Kroger's at least the one in the point sucks. They dont carry half the brands they used to carry in their smaller store on summit. They dont stock enough sale items to last halfway through the week. Its becoming a regular occurance at this store, not sure if the same can be said for all the stores. But this is a new store they just opened it not long ago. As far as selection goes, Meijer's has them beat by a very large margin. Kroger has better meat though. Actually food town just over the border in Michigan and Lee Williams have better meat. Just depressing because when Kroger was open on Summit they seem to be a grocery store, now they want to sell everything. wish they would go back to being a grocery store.

posted by Linecrosser on Jul 18, 2008 at 01:25:33 am     #



"Can I add another?
American Music"

Right you are, Ace, and your examples of such as excellent.

Not sure why exactly, but I don't think 'John' would adding those to a best-of-America list, but different strokes for different folks.

posted by McCaskey on Jul 18, 2008 at 01:39:06 am     #



This is article was written from a pure ignorant pom pom cheerleader perspective, but I'm guessing it's someone who believes in rational markets functioning on complete information.

Harley Davidson sprang back to life by lobbying for a 45% tariff on foreign bikes. They also played pump and dump with their stock in recent years. So a welfare driven corporation that helped funnel competitors' taxes to big government.

Automobiles might not be better than sweeping shit. What about all the respiratory problems, deaths from unsafe vehicles/drivers, and oil wars it takes to maintain them? Wait gotta sweep that shit under trillion dollar rugs...

2 references to eating low quality, disease carrying meatstuffs. 1 to reference bottomless chemically altered corn syrup water. Regular water is generally bottomless and free throughout the world.

Walmart offers ultra low quality merchandise from a country known for human rights violations for exorbitant prices(even moreso when you add in all the externalities). Very Wall Street Bean Counting Americana.
Thanksgiving originated in Canada and most countries have multiple harvest celebrations.

College Football- Publicly subsidized college football over pro publicly subsidized football. I agree. Although if I was a player, I'd rather have cash over the worthless education they trade their knees for.

2nd Amendment- Guns are one of the most controlled products on the market. I'm sure every schoolkid, grandma, prisoner, worker who sees half his declining real wages go to taxes as equating freedom to gun ownership.

Monopoly- Rewards chance over strategy and perseverance. It's also an irrational zero sum game focusing on bankrupting your neighbors/friends/family to win which is morally bankrupt.

Freedom- Most your stuff is subject to perpetual taxation and is technically the property of financial institutions if you're in debt. You deal with plenty of people on a daily basis you didn't choose to (a government official, a cop, a salesman, an incompetent employee, in-laws, etc.) Live your own life all you want just make sure you live within the moral guidelines set by immoral leaders or go to jail/pay up sucker. To paraphrase Abbie Linc: "Speak thoughtfully. Shut the fuck up freely."

If you'd like I can pick on the rest.

posted by charlatan on Jul 18, 2008 at 07:03:45 am     #



Don't bother charlatan, saying anything positive about America was expected to draw derision from the left. You already performed on que.

posted by babbleman on Jul 18, 2008 at 07:45:54 am     #



Now if you'll sit, I'll give you a treat :)

posted by babbleman on Jul 18, 2008 at 08:19:07 am     #



For me it’s not the prices, it’s the fact I hate the way they do business. Period.

And linecrosser, why do you think Kroger and Meijer carry all that other stuff now? Because they are forced to if they want to compete against WalMart.

I love the store and service at the Kroger on Suder, sorry they trick you into buying generic cereal. :)

posted by Ryan on Jul 18, 2008 at 08:40:12 am     #



Im with you 100% Ryan! I will not shop wal-mart. As a matter of fact, i won't shop at target either.

posted by tm2 on Jul 18, 2008 at 09:11:02 am     #



Ryan,

I'm beginning to question whether you know anyone who works for Wal-Mart and, more importantly, whether you have even been inside of a Wal-Mart. You asked if Mr. Freeze sells groceries or if Bear Mountain sells pork loin. Wal-Mart does not just sell groceries, they sell a variety of merchandise, so I don't know why you would think that there is a comparison on just a grocery level?

Secondly, I SAID WALT CHURCHILL'S MARKET, WHICH HAS NEVER CLOSED A STORE, AS THERE IS -- AND ONLY HAS BEEN-- ONE WALT CHURCHILL'S. All but one of the other Churchill's have closed because the General died and the family decided to sell out to Farmer Jack-- sans Walt, who loved the business and didn't want to sell. Glad to know you're such a supporter of local businesses, but you seem to not know the difference between Churchill's and Walt Churchill's, nor the story behind the closing of Churchill's.

Next, Meijer has ALWAYS carried the line of merchandise they currently carry. Growing up in Flint, Michigan, I can attest to the fact that Meijer has always carried everything from food, bikes, books, cassettes, baseball gloves, video games and furniture as far back as the early 80's when I first stepped into a Meijer. But, go ahead. Read your books about how bad the evil Wal-Mart is, and keep spewing falsified "facts" without knowing.

Yes, Wal-Mart has done a great service by denying the Union into it's operations. Look at GM, Ford, Farmer Jack and other "great" corporations who forced their employees into unions (yes, I mean forced because you can't work at these places unless you are union). Wow, how grandiose GM is doing now that the UAW has forced GM to spend several thousand dollars of each car produced to cover retirement funding. Farmer Jack is out of business. Ford is knocking on heaven's door.


Kick the soap box from under you and get down to the level the rest of America is living on.

posted by JJFad on Jul 18, 2008 at 04:53:56 pm     #



yes, I mean forced because you can't work at these places unless you are union

Ironically, this is the only verifiable example of a monopoly in this thread. However, it has been specifically singled out to be legal.

posted by babbleman on Jul 18, 2008 at 05:30:08 pm     #



Ryan said:
"For me it's not the prices, it's the fact I hate the way they do business. Period."
and
"And you shop at WM because you THINK you are saving. I had a coworker bring in a receipt and went online and found almost everything at other stores at the same price and some cases even cheaper.

You are brain washed."

HUH?!?!?

posted by LorLee on Jul 18, 2008 at 06:12:56 pm     #



Ryan, Meijer has always had all that junk, Walmart never carried a full food line for the longest time. Krogers didn't used to sell furniture and crap. A&P used to seell only groceries, same with Food Town.

Sorry to tell you it wasn't cereal that I was buying, it was a product that they had on sale 10 for 10. Frozen vegetables, the only thing left in the freezer case was creamed spinache and a few boxes of peas. No corn, no broccoli, nothing else of what they had on sale. If your gonna have a sale on something why wouldn't you have enough to not run out of the sale items on Wednesday. Thats only 3 days into their week, their sales go from monday to sunday.

But as far as Cereal goes, yeah funny they either put their brand on top or right next to the brand they are copying, some of those boxes look so close to the brand names im almost surprised there hasn't been a lawsuit.

And then there are the brands they dropped in favor of a kroger brand replacement. Brooks Ketchup, Bennettes chili sauce. just a couple that you used to be able to buy at Kroger's, gone It's ok Meijer's still carries them.

Its a pain, we shop both Meijer and Kroger's, be nice to get it all at one store, but at least they aren't long trips to go shopping, so we do one, one day and the other the next. Food town in Lambertville is also an occasional option, mostly for meat, or Lee Williams for meat its also nice and close.

There is no Walzmart around here, dont care if there ever is one. If they happened to ever open one around here, might go there for something if its a major savings. I dont really care that they aren't union, forcing them to unionize really isn't the american way i think. Plenty of places aren't union, dont make them evil, unless you have something to gain from them getting a union.

posted by Linecrosser on Jul 18, 2008 at 09:45:37 pm     #



So sorry JJ, I guess I should have said "Why do you think Meijer has redesigned itself the way it has at least twice in the passed 5 years?" I did not know you were their personal inventory clerk. My bad. Walt Churchills, Churchills, please, same smell to everyone but the all knowing JJ.

And thanks for letting me to continue spewing forth, that is very kind of you indeedy.

And I do know my facts, trust me. Now, don't you have another post to make somewhere about how you are smarter than all the ball sucking elected officials of Toledo? LOL!

posted by Ryan on Jul 19, 2008 at 08:08:42 am     #



Look on the bright side. Starbucks recently announced plans to close 600 stores in the U.S., including nine in Ohio and 18 in Michigan. That's good news for the Downtown Latte's and My Daily Grind's of the world.

posted by jr on Jul 19, 2008 at 08:37:09 pm     #