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Project RED - Rossford Entertainment District

This evening I attended a party at the casino hosted by the Harmon Group where they gave a presentation for a new Rossford Entertainment District - Project RED. It will be located across from the casino and will have a 150 room hotel and several restaurants to begin with. ODOT has already budgeted money for a new access road to be built into the property next year after which full construction of the project will begin.

created by Mike21 on Jun 08, 2016 at 07:10:18 pm     Comments: 33

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This wouldn't be the same Harmon Group that was awarded a no-bid contract by the Port Authority to do plans for the Jeep Overland site, was given a no-bid contract to market the Southwyke property (and have it extended at the last minute), and recently announced plans to buy property in Rossford near Bass Pro, would it?

If so, they, like Randy Oostra, sure have reached their tentacles out. Is there not a single politician or bureaucrat in the Toledo metro area that is not wholly owned by big business and/or the unions?

posted by Bandito on Jun 08, 2016 at 10:06:07 pm     #  

$85 million investment in the area. Unfortunate the City of Toledo couldn't get over itself to let this casino be downtown. Now we are going to see Rossford reap some benefits from it with this new hotel complex.

Map of that area where it will go:

posted by JustaSooner on Jun 08, 2016 at 10:20:31 pm     #  

^"Unfortunate the City of Toledo couldn't get over itself to let this casino be downtown." - amen

posted by justareviewer on Jun 09, 2016 at 08:19:55 am     #  

Did the casino really want to be downtown?

posted by JohnnyMac on Jun 09, 2016 at 08:20:37 am     #   2 people liked this

JohnnyMac posted at 09:20:37 AM on Jun 09, 2016:

Did the casino really want to be downtown?

Nope

posted by clt212 on Jun 09, 2016 at 08:25:05 am     #   2 people liked this

yes, somewhat speculative. But....I think this is awesome news for Metro Toledo. Sure...probably some holes in it and nothing is done until it is done....but come on, man! Lets get on with things and stop with the perpetual hand wringing and naysaying. At the end of the day, we should be looking at a clear NET GAIN for the area regarding quality of life. Hell, even if you personally will never step foot it......at least it will clean up the area and offer another option for visitors and residents alike.

Harmon and Promedica.....investing in Toledo. And expecting to make a profit. THE AUDACITY OF THOSE BITCHES!!!!!!

Give it a rest. Some good things are happening and it appears that these 2 entities are a couple of the catalysts.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Jun 09, 2016 at 08:46:27 am     #   6 people liked this

They didn't need riverfront acres either. That was reclaimed brownfield with no other buyers in sight during the worst economic period possible. Timing is everything. That type of business needs a view like a blind man needs an unassisted stroll across six lanes of traffic.

posted by Mariner on Jun 09, 2016 at 08:47:02 am     #  

Even saying that agree with Bulldog. It's there now build the hell out of it and push. Nice forward motion on Neil's part.

posted by Mariner on Jun 09, 2016 at 08:49:58 am     #  

Also, I truly do believe that Toledoans should want to see Rossford survive and thrive. No one wants to live next door to a dumpy neighbor. And as the saying goes: A rising tide lifts all ships.

Besides, this means more people using more Toledo $upplied water. Gotta pay for that $500M water facility somehow, right?

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Jun 09, 2016 at 08:50:58 am     #   3 people liked this

No dog. We've all decided to shower in the rain. Even in winter.

posted by Mariner on Jun 09, 2016 at 08:52:39 am     #   1 person liked this

As I recall, the casino wanted the "visibility" and easy access off I-75.

posted by Foodie on Jun 09, 2016 at 09:21:05 am     #   2 people liked this

Foodie posted at 10:21:05 AM on Jun 09, 2016:

As I recall, the casino wanted the "visibility" and easy access off I-75.

Thats exactly it. While its fun to dream and wonder what could have been if the casino located in downtown Toledo or in the marina district.....the simple fact is this is where the INVESTORS wanted it to be. And their reasoning isnt that crazy, is it? People act like this is a terrible location....which it clearly is not. Now, we have a burgeoning downtown area that is clearly on the upswing and it appeaers that more good things are to come........the Marina District, while never delivering on its promise of an economic Vahalla, will become a quality of life gem in the form of a Metropark.....and we have a casino, with plans for even more development in the area.

Sounds like in the end, the decision to locate the casino where they did is working out just fine for the City of Toledo.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Jun 09, 2016 at 09:35:30 am     #  

Hollywood casino's (Toledo and Columbus, owned by Penn Gaming) both were deliberately built in areas of complete seclusion. Things have already started to sprout up around the Columbus casino and it sounds like the same is happening for Toledo.

posted by Xbuckeyex on Jun 09, 2016 at 09:47:42 am     #   1 person liked this

Yep, on the way to be a little Las Vegas. Bring on the full herd of hookers, drug dealers, and other "less than desirables".

posted by hockeyfan on Jun 09, 2016 at 10:19:25 am     #  

"Bring on the full herd of hookers, drug dealers, and other "less than desirables"."

Easy, Kid Rock.

posted by jr on Jun 09, 2016 at 10:33:40 am     #   1 person liked this

My bad on the downtown comment, I was misinformed and now stand corrected. :)

posted by JustaSooner on Jun 09, 2016 at 10:37:19 am     #  

hockeyfan posted at 11:19:25 AM on Jun 09, 2016:

Yep, on the way to be a little Las Vegas. Bring on the full herd of hookers, drug dealers, and other "less than desirables".

Ummmmmmmmmmm wasnt the casino supposed to bring all that? Years later, and Im still waiting.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Jul 27, 2016 at 09:23:49 am     #  

Ummmmmmmmmmm wasnt the casino supposed to bring all that?

Well, I did go twice.

posted by justread on Jul 27, 2016 at 09:35:56 am     #   1 person liked this

It's pretty easy to forget the casino even exists.

posted by upso on Jul 27, 2016 at 09:47:37 am     #   2 people liked this

Yep - as much as I wanted the casino downtown they were smart putting it in Rossford. They have done very good on meeting and typically beating their revenue goals with very little "drama" at the casino.

I know a guy who works for the Ohio Gaming Commission at the Casino (use to be a Toledo cop) and he really likes it and says its overall very safe, especially compared to Cleveland which has the highest crime rates apparently, along with a lot of unsavory individuals walking around the casino, especially in the cold winters.

posted by Xbuckeyex on Jul 27, 2016 at 10:03:05 am     #  

The casino isn't in Rossford it's in Toledo.

posted by Mike21 on Jul 27, 2016 at 10:08:14 am     #   5 people liked this

Im still amazed by how many people still think (and comment) that its located in Rossford. (I wish it was) ....fwiw, along Rt 20 the Meijer, Target, Home Depot, Bass Pro, the 4 hotels grouped neat I-75 and 795...that IS all Rossford proper and NOT Perrysburg or Perrysburg Township! :>)

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Jul 27, 2016 at 10:18:44 am     #  

Knowledge of actual municipal boundaries isn't a strong suit around here. ;)

posted by JustaSooner on Jul 27, 2016 at 03:45:49 pm     #   1 person liked this

I might be imagining this, but I thought a gondola to cross the highway is part of the development plan. That's like a ski lift or an amusement park ride. I am SO ready for that -- if true, I'll be shopping there and going back & forth to the casino just for the aerial thrill ride!

posted by viola on Jul 27, 2016 at 09:00:20 pm     #  

A gondola type elevated system was proposed in the plans but there is no way it will be built. The logistics and continual operating costs will prevent it. It would have to be staffed anytime it was operating by people making sure the riders are secured properly and repair people would have to be on standby for when it breaks down - imagine rescuing people from it when it does have problems and stops working. While it looks good in the original plans, my guess would be that they build an enclosed walkway over Miami Street/Rt.64 - not unlike the one at the zoo over the trail... very low maintenance, cheaper to install, no employees needed to operate it, and no chance of a mechanical breakdown.

posted by Mike21 on Jul 27, 2016 at 10:25:44 pm     #  

JustaSooner posted at 04:45:49 PM on Jul 27, 2016:

Knowledge of actual municipal boundaries isn't a strong suit around here. ;)

To be fair, it's not that simple in Ohio with the township, village, and various other district lines. You have that section of Toledo near Franklin Park where there are four different school districts (TPS/Start, Ottawa Hills, Sylvania/Southview, Washington Local/Whitmer), the City of Toledo, a village (OH), and a township (Sylvania, but not Washington, even though Washington schools are there), and they all have Toledo addresses.

I have lived in a few places other than Toledo, but the municipal boundaries in Toledo are as crazy as I've seen.

posted by clt212 on Jul 28, 2016 at 09:37:49 am     #   1 person liked this

It's easy to forget the casino site is part of Toledo. Highways are often a municipal boundary and there is only a small triangular sliver of town on the other side of I-75 there. The city line runs west from W Florence Avenue to the river.

posted by mixman on Jul 28, 2016 at 10:33:21 am     #  

clt212 posted at 10:37:49 AM on Jul 28, 2016:
JustaSooner posted at 04:45:49 PM on Jul 27, 2016:

Knowledge of actual municipal boundaries isn't a strong suit around here. ;)

To be fair, it's not that simple in Ohio with the township, village, and various other district lines. You have that section of Toledo near Franklin Park where there are four different school districts (TPS/Start, Ottawa Hills, Sylvania/Southview, Washington Local/Whitmer), the City of Toledo, a village (OH), and a township (Sylvania, but not Washington, even though Washington schools are there), and they all have Toledo addresses.

I have lived in a few places other than Toledo, but the municipal boundaries in Toledo are as crazy as I've seen.

You have that anywhere, it isn't unique to Ohio or the Toledo area to be honest.

posted by JustaSooner on Jul 28, 2016 at 12:27:18 pm     #  

JustaSooner posted at 01:27:18 PM on Jul 28, 2016:
clt212 posted at 10:37:49 AM on Jul 28, 2016:
JustaSooner posted at 04:45:49 PM on Jul 27, 2016:

Knowledge of actual municipal boundaries isn't a strong suit around here. ;)

To be fair, it's not that simple in Ohio with the township, village, and various other district lines. You have that section of Toledo near Franklin Park where there are four different school districts (TPS/Start, Ottawa Hills, Sylvania/Southview, Washington Local/Whitmer), the City of Toledo, a village (OH), and a township (Sylvania, but not Washington, even though Washington schools are there), and they all have Toledo addresses.

I have lived in a few places other than Toledo, but the municipal boundaries in Toledo are as crazy as I've seen.

You have that anywhere, it isn't unique to Ohio or the Toledo area to be honest.

I grew up in a household with parents who had to know about city, township, village, school district, etc. boundaries for their job, so I've understood the strange lines for a while. I just can't be very critical of somebody not understanding that the Bass Pro/proposed arena and amphitheater area is part of Rossford even though it's cut-off from the main part of the city that is on the river and follows Glenwood and Lime City south to 75.

posted by clt212 on Jul 29, 2016 at 10:12:32 am     #  

Crickets. No whispers about retail tenants. No whispers about hotel brand. hmmmmmmmmmm

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Apr 18, 2017 at 09:26:08 am     #  

About 2 weeks ago they started putting in gas lines to the site. ODOT will put in the feeder street to the site this summer...funds have already been allocated.

posted by Mike21 on Apr 18, 2017 at 10:22:09 am     #  

Went by the casino today and they have begun construction of the new road leading onto the new development.

posted by Mike21 on Aug 30, 2017 at 07:25:41 pm     #  

Road is in place. But Ive heard ZERO about a hotel, retail, commercial development. Im losing faith by the day. Once again....a bright light that ends up spotlighting nothing.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Nov 17, 2017 at 11:57:32 am     #