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The Nasby Building

Workers today were removing many of the "modern" black and white panels that have covered the Nasby Building since the 1950s (1960s? 1940s?). The amount of damage that was done to the building to put those panels on is now completely evident, and it isn't pretty.

But, on the bright side, there must be some plan for the building?

created by JohnnyMac on Nov 17, 2016 at 08:28:35 pm     Comments: 33

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First I've heard of a plan... This is a city owned building so those are city dollars at work. Any hear of any potential investors?

posted by upso on Nov 18, 2016 at 01:42:00 am     #  

upso posted at 01:42:00 AM on Nov 18, 2016:

First I've heard of a plan... This is a city owned building so those are city dollars at work. Any hear of any potential investors?

Maybe, if they have the Dave Balls to do it.

posted by JoeyGee on Nov 18, 2016 at 10:39:16 pm     #  

The building doesn't look safe. You can see the crumbling - with winter coming this seems like the wrong move. What if the removal of the panels causes more problems and dare I say it MONEY.

posted by Molsonator on Nov 19, 2016 at 08:54:23 am     #  

With all of the properties being picked up by promedica, I can see how it would make sense to make the building market ready, whatever that might mean. Similar in concept to the county clearing out the hotel on summit and then finding a buyer.

posted by upso on Nov 19, 2016 at 11:39:21 am     #  

I'd 2nd the bad choice opinion removing the fake panelling with out weather proofing the building will speed it's demise.

posted by In_vin_veritas on Nov 19, 2016 at 02:05:54 pm     #  

It was safe enough for the Marines to use it for urban warfare training in 2006 and 2007. But the roof was leaking badly then when I was in it last and I thought the top floor was suspect. But I'm no building engineer.

posted by MemyselfandI on Nov 19, 2016 at 02:32:32 pm     #  

I am more worried about chunks of cement/brick falling off as water freeze and thaws in the cracks. It looks that bad.

posted by Molsonator on Nov 19, 2016 at 02:39:59 pm     #  

The owner of The Blade in the 1860's was David Ross Locke, who wrote the "Nasby Letters", a series of satirical writings on the Civil War, some of which were quoted by Abraham Lincoln. I assume this was who the building was named after?

posted by Molsonator on Dec 03, 2016 at 08:42:06 am     #  

This is pretty amazing: http://www.shorpy.com/node/10135
If you click on the high res you can see the Pythian castle. http://www.shorpy.com/node/10135?size=_original#caption

No way they will ever be able to restore it to that level of grandeur but damn that building was beautiful!

Anyone have any updates on the plans to renovate?

posted by upso on Jun 14, 2017 at 08:27:43 pm     #   1 person liked this

As cool as that portion is (and it's really, really cool), I think the Wagner/Security half of it (not yet added in that picture) is far and away the coolest part of it, and possibly one of the coolest buildings in the city. Elaborate cast iron gates leading up a marble staircase, to a room with ceilings that must be 25-30 feet tall, gigantic floor to ceiling arched windows, and incredible detailing in the ceiling. All in a room that had been "refurbished" sometime in the 60s with drop ceilings.

posted by Johio83 on Jun 14, 2017 at 11:18:23 pm     #  

I'm not very proficient with the picture embedding on here, but I hope this is visible to everyone. This is in the Wagner/Security portion of the building. For scale, the very bottom of this picture is the top of the 8' tall stud framing from when they turned this into offices with high drop ceilings.

posted by Johio83 on Jun 14, 2017 at 11:31:02 pm     #  

*with 8' high drop ceilings

The 60s really were just a terrible time for architecture...

posted by Johio83 on Jun 14, 2017 at 11:32:28 pm     #   1 person liked this

upso posted at 09:27:43 PM on Jun 14, 2017:

This is pretty amazing: http://www.shorpy.com/node/10135
If you click on the high res you can see the Pythian castle. http://www.shorpy.com/node/10135?size=_original#caption

No way they will ever be able to restore it to that level of grandeur but damn that building was beautiful!

Anyone have any updates on the plans to renovate?

that is a stunning shot. the castle looks amazing in the background.

posted by endcycle on Jun 15, 2017 at 07:26:29 am     #  

The Blade has another story about saving the "four corners" again in Today's paper

http://www.toledoblade.com/Editorials/2017/10/09/Key-buildings-downtown-still-abandoned.html

They should just tear those buildings down and create a nice green space.

posted by classylady on Oct 09, 2017 at 09:05:18 am     #  

Not sure if serious...

posted by Johio83 on Oct 09, 2017 at 09:28:00 am     #  

1) the Nicholas and Spitzer buildings are held up because Koray Ergur owns them, and is a deadbeat. The City has tried to wrestle control away from him so that an actual developer could get their hands on them, but there's no real legal bearing so long as he pays his taxes (which he's had a hard time doing a few times).

2) The City has been working with a prominent developer on the Nasby, which is why they agreed to remove the asbestos-filled panels and allow said developer time to evaluate the potential of a redevelopment.

Just because there aren't visible signs of progress does not mean things aren't happening. Take the steam plan for instance: that was going on behind the scenes for a loooong time before any news broke.

posted by Johio83 on Oct 09, 2017 at 09:37:22 am     #  

Johio83 posted at 10:37:22 AM on Oct 09, 2017:

1) the Nicholas and Spitzer buildings are held up because Koray Ergur owns them, and is a deadbeat. The City has tried to wrestle control away from him so that an actual developer could get their hands on them, but there's no real legal bearing so long as he pays his taxes (which he's had a hard time doing a few times).

2) The City has been working with a prominent developer on the Nasby, which is why they agreed to remove the asbestos-filled panels and allow said developer time to evaluate the potential of a redevelopment.

Just because there aren't visible signs of progress does not mean things aren't happening. Take the steam plan for instance: that was going on behind the scenes for a loooong time before any news broke.

great points. It's very important, as the downtown area is continuously redeveloped, that we remain patient as to preserve the architectural aesthetic. We have many, many beautiful structures downtown. If we are to have a fully realized redevelopment, these structures will certainly play a part. People like Ergur, while maddening, have a more finite timeline than these buildings. If structures are beyond repair, and have outlived their usefulness, they will go away. Look at the former Hotel Seagate and the halted demo. There are many treasures out there that smart business people are trying to determine how best to utilize.

posted by ahmahler on Oct 09, 2017 at 10:24:14 am     #   1 person liked this

The comment about green space was being sarcastic since so many people in the downtown redevelopment plan and on the warehouse district board feel we need more green space. But I would rather see a building demo'd than to sit empty for years and deteriorate so bad it's beyond repair.

I think the Nasby building and the old Holiday Inn on Summit and Jefferson look worse being partially demo'd than they did as an empty building.

One thing I don't understand is how Ergur comes up with the money at the 11th hour. And why does he want these buildings so bad? Is he hoping that someone like Promedica will come along and suddenly offer him a lot of money for them? Doesn't make much sense he is going through all the bother to hold them yet didn't care the got moth balled.

posted by classylady on Oct 09, 2017 at 10:38:02 am     #  

Ergur has this whole powerpoint pitch about what a great investment opportunity these two buildings are that he apparently shops to real estate investors in Cali. To say it's at a Jr High level would be generous.

As far as the green space plan, that's always been about taking vacant lots and converting them to green space, never about tearing anything down to make way for it.

posted by Johio83 on Oct 09, 2017 at 11:05:05 am     #  

I'm just glad that we tore down the old Federal Building so we could have a view of the Maumee. Oh wait. There's a new Promedica parking garage blocking that view of the Maumee. My bad!

posted by ThePhysician on Oct 10, 2017 at 02:35:53 am     #   2 people liked this

ThePhysician posted at 03:35:53 AM on Oct 10, 2017:

I'm just glad that we tore down the old Federal Building so we could have a view of the Maumee. Oh wait. There's a new Promedica parking garage blocking that view of the Maumee. My bad!

oh wait....Promedica revitalized a depressed part of downtown and is serving as a catalyst for more investment. Whaaaaaaaa 50ft of blocking the view of the Emerald River was taken away.....whaaaaaaaaaa

Gimme a break, Doctor.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Oct 10, 2017 at 07:57:52 am     #   2 people liked this

besides, I believe you can still see the river from the parking garage.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Oct 10, 2017 at 07:58:35 am     #   2 people liked this

The view was supposed to be from street level. You could have had a nice view from the windows of the Federal Building as well. Just saying that Toledo Government is really messed up. Nothing against ProMedica.

posted by ThePhysician on Oct 10, 2017 at 11:21:56 am     #  

There is still a fine view from street level.

posted by upso on Oct 10, 2017 at 11:34:13 am     #   1 person liked this

I know I am in the minority, but I think ProMedica did a great job with Promenade Park

posted by Hoops on Oct 10, 2017 at 11:48:09 am     #   2 people liked this

I agree.

posted by upso on Oct 10, 2017 at 11:51:43 am     #  

Same. It looks great.

posted by endcycle on Oct 10, 2017 at 11:54:59 am     #  

The VAST majority love how it turned out. I've honestly never heard a complaint from anyone who has actually been downtown to see it all.

posted by Xbuckeyex on Oct 10, 2017 at 11:57:33 am     #   2 people liked this

I'm at International Park almost every day because I have a kid who rows.

The Promedica building definitely adds something to the waterfront. Looks really sharp from the other side of the river, especially when it's lit up in the evening.

posted by mom2 on Oct 10, 2017 at 06:21:46 pm     #   1 person liked this

As a resident and employee of downtown I love what Promedica did to the Steam Plant and Promenade park. I enjoy walking the dog along the water a lot more than I did pre-Promedica and I'm seeing a lot more people at the park.

posted by classylady on Oct 10, 2017 at 10:13:02 pm     #   1 person liked this