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Current location of handheld radar guns!!

Beware!!! 10am, Friday Feb. 10th. Hiding on top of overpass on Douglas rd.

created by FranklinT on Feb 10, 2017 at 11:11:04 am     Comments: 181

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I got a ticket in the mail recently (December 2016/Reynolds Road). I have a hearing on March 2........wish me luck

posted by Hoops on Feb 10, 2017 at 11:21:25 am     #   3 people liked this

Can we start a list of locations that they've been spotted before?

I know I've seen them:

475 W - Near Promedica (on the e-way and on the exit ramp)

475 W - Near Douglas (on the e-way)

475 E - Near Promedica (on the e-way)

Monroe Street - south side of street across from JoJo's hiding behind the sign.

I've heard they've been behind sound barrier walls on 475 as you head west from Promedica... but not sure exactly where.

Where else have they been spotted?

posted by wahhutch9 on Feb 10, 2017 at 11:21:49 am     #   1 person liked this

Hoops, you taking it to trial? Also are you representing yourself?

posted by FranklinT on Feb 10, 2017 at 11:23:33 am     #  

It is just a hearing, so I will explain myself. He was sitting on Reynolds, by Nebraska where the speed limit increases from 35 mph to 45 mph. I was on my way to work and sped up before the sign.

posted by Hoops on Feb 10, 2017 at 11:33:16 am     #  

You have a very good case because this same issue was brought up in a speeding case I had 4 years ago.

posted by FranklinT on Feb 10, 2017 at 11:43:48 am     #  

If you're not using WAZE to report the locations, you should - a lot of people use it, and that'd be a great immediate response method to help us all out.

posted by endcycle on Feb 10, 2017 at 11:53:42 am     #  

I'm not familiar with that.

posted by FranklinT on Feb 10, 2017 at 11:56:07 am     #  

Going through there soon.
Not planning to speed, but I do plan to fly a single, if not a double bird.

posted by justread on Feb 10, 2017 at 11:56:20 am     #   1 person liked this

FranklinT posted at 10:56:07 AM on Feb 10, 2017:

I'm not familiar with that.

https://www.waze.com/

posted by upso on Feb 10, 2017 at 12:11:06 pm     #  

I downloaded the Waze app for directions but haven't used it yet. So if I launch it even without using it for directions it will alert me to speed cameras (assuming others have reported it) and allow me to?

I still don't understand how the city thinks they are fooling anyone by saying they are for safety. If they were there for safety there would be signs indicating the cameras were ahead and people would slow down and they would be visible instead of hiding. If someone sees a cop or knows there are cameras in use they are going to be very likely to slow down making the roads safer (if speeding on the interstate is truly a safety issue). How is issuing all those tickets for speeding increasing safety?

posted by jamesteroh on Feb 10, 2017 at 12:27:48 pm     #  

Those handheld radar guns will make millions this year alone..

It's the equivalent of shooting fish in a barrel.

Safety my ass

posted by FranklinT on Feb 10, 2017 at 12:35:34 pm     #  

I use Waze all the time for everything. Not only is it great for red light cameras and knowing where police have been spotted, but it's great for knowing of any car accidents, potholes reported, road closures, etc.

If there is a car accident on the expressway that has things at a standstill, it will automatically re-route you to a faster route.

posted by wahhutch9 on Feb 10, 2017 at 12:40:09 pm     #   1 person liked this

Since the fine for any speed camera violation is $120 no matter how fast you are going, I've decided to get my money's worth and drive 100 mph in Toledo at all times.

posted by JohnnyMac on Feb 10, 2017 at 12:58:10 pm     #   1 person liked this

Too bad all the residents of the city wouldn't tell city council and Paula that unless the cameras are voted out we are voting them out of office. If residents would band together you would see them gone fast

posted by jamesteroh on Feb 10, 2017 at 01:08:09 pm     #  

I've seen them hiding like a trepid doe behind the wall on EB 475 between Corey and Talmadge. Build the wall they said, tickets they received.

posted by presbacon on Feb 10, 2017 at 01:20:27 pm     #   2 people liked this

I've seen them hiding like a trepid doe behind the wall on EB 475 between Corey and Talmadge. Build the wall they said, tickets they received.

posted by presbacon on Feb 10, 2017 at 01:20:28 pm     #  

jamesteroh posted at 11:27:48 AM on Feb 10, 2017:

I downloaded the Waze app for directions but haven't used it yet. So if I launch it even without using it for directions it will alert me to speed cameras (assuming others have reported it) and allow me to?

I still don't understand how the city thinks they are fooling anyone by saying they are for safety. If they were there for safety there would be signs indicating the cameras were ahead and people would slow down and they would be visible instead of hiding. If someone sees a cop or knows there are cameras in use they are going to be very likely to slow down making the roads safer (if speeding on the interstate is truly a safety issue). How is issuing all those tickets for speeding increasing safety?

All of these cameras are about safety as much as the trash tax is about collecting trash. Or the 3/4% is about fixing roads or...

posted by JoeyGee on Feb 10, 2017 at 01:40:59 pm     #   2 people liked this

FranklinT posted at 11:35:34 AM on Feb 10, 2017:

Those handheld radar guns will make millions this year alone..

It's the equivalent of shooting fish in a barrel.

Safety my ass

I like the cut of this guy's jib.

posted by justread on Feb 10, 2017 at 02:36:58 pm     #   1 person liked this

justread posted at 10:56:20 AM on Feb 10, 2017:

Going through there soon.
Not planning to speed, but I do plan to fly a single, if not a double bird.

I saw nothing, either direction. They may have been at lunch.

posted by justread on Feb 10, 2017 at 02:38:13 pm     #  

He is there right now!!!!off ramp Douglas rd. Rat bastards

posted by FranklinT on Feb 10, 2017 at 03:00:29 pm     #  

475 west bound, Douglas rd exit

posted by FranklinT on Feb 10, 2017 at 03:01:16 pm     #  

presbacon posted at 12:20:27 PM on Feb 10, 2017:

I've seen them hiding like a trepid doe behind the wall on EB 475 between Corey and Talmadge. Build the wall they said, tickets they received.

We'll make them pay for the wall....hmmm, sounds familiar, now where have I heard that before?

posted by breeman on Feb 10, 2017 at 03:24:35 pm     #  

justread posted at 01:38:13 PM on Feb 10, 2017:
justread posted at 10:56:20 AM on Feb 10, 2017:

Going through there soon.
Not planning to speed, but I do plan to fly a single, if not a double bird.

I saw nothing, either direction. They may have been at lunch.

They're on to us. They're reading Toledo Talk.

posted by JoeyGee on Feb 10, 2017 at 03:25:48 pm     #   1 person liked this

JoeyGee posted at 02:25:48 PM on Feb 10, 2017:
justread posted at 01:38:13 PM on Feb 10, 2017:
justread posted at 10:56:20 AM on Feb 10, 2017:

Going through there soon.
Not planning to speed, but I do plan to fly a single, if not a double bird.

I saw nothing, either direction. They may have been at lunch.

They're on to us. They're reading Toledo Talk.

Oh, believe me, they are.

posted by Foodie on Feb 10, 2017 at 03:40:03 pm     #  

The radar guns are always around Douglas road area, JO-JO's Pizza area on Monroe Street the motorcycle cops hide all summer long .. it's a million dollar area for radar guns.

posted by FranklinT on Feb 10, 2017 at 03:54:10 pm     #  

@jamesteroh yes, the waze app will alert you to things even if you aren't using it for directions. Redlight cameras, cops, downed vehicles, bad traffic etc. It's really great.

posted by upso on Feb 10, 2017 at 04:03:45 pm     #  

Wait until the city of Toledo had to pay back money for the illegal red light cameras.

posted by FranklinT on Feb 10, 2017 at 04:06:04 pm     #  

presbacon posted at 12:20:27 PM on Feb 10, 2017:

I've seen them hiding like a trepid doe behind the wall on EB 475 between Corey and Talmadge. Build the wall they said, tickets they received.

Wait. That could have actually been a trepid doe. She heard about grandparents on the other side, but has never met them. She was living with cousins in Wildwood until people started shooting at them. She longs for a life on the other side. She has heard the word but never laid eyes on the great paradise "Miakonda" and the golf course beyond her. Must move north. South is Ottawa Hills.

But the wall...

posted by justread on Feb 10, 2017 at 06:08:07 pm     #  

I work for the post office and just this week commented that I've seen a huge increase in the amount of tickets that I've delivered. I probably had 40+ in one day, all on one route.

posted by mailmanrandy on Feb 10, 2017 at 06:14:22 pm     #  

As soon as they pay them, we will be "safer." Whew.

posted by justread on Feb 10, 2017 at 06:16:07 pm     #  

JoeyGee posted at 02:25:48 PM on Feb 10, 2017:
justread posted at 01:38:13 PM on Feb 10, 2017:
justread posted at 10:56:20 AM on Feb 10, 2017:
Going through there soon.
Not planning to speed, but I do plan to fly a single, if not a double bird.

I saw nothing, either direction. They may have been at lunch.

They're on to us. They're reading Toledo Talk.

Oh, believe me, they are.

My extensive network of information gathering resources alerted me to this post. I appreciate the elevation in stature to the infamous "They" as in "That's what THEY say. Point of order, despite some privacy concerns, I use waze as well. Drive Safe.

posted by Solleks on Feb 10, 2017 at 06:45:14 pm     #  

They are frequently on the Ottawa River Southbound on ramp. Same cop every time, older guy with gray hair. Always looks like he is having fun. Slow down when heading into Michigan, or coming back into Ohio.

posted by trixanne on Feb 10, 2017 at 08:33:29 pm     #  

Especially when re-entering OH from MI on 75. That stretch is a cash cow for TPD.

posted by Foodie on Feb 10, 2017 at 08:47:12 pm     #  

Yeah, Solleks used to be a the, as in the man, but now he's promoted to a they, as in 'be careful what you say, they have ears everywhere.' Or eyes, as the case may be.

For my part, when my uncle Phred retired from the Air Force last year he took a truckload of obsolete ECW gear with him. Obsolete in 2016, but still capable of defeating a law enforcement RADAR gun. The only trouble is that the side effects are a bit unpredictable - like all the automatic garage doors in a 12 block radius opening at the same time, or everyone's TV suddenly switching to channel 123 and picking up the Miss Nude Galaxy contest. Just keep your eye on the six o'clock news, I guess.

posted by madjack on Feb 10, 2017 at 09:04:34 pm     #  

Do they give you any type of leeway? i.e. how many miles over the speed limit do you have to be going to get ticketed or will they send you a ticket if you are doing 66 in a 65?

posted by jamesteroh on Feb 10, 2017 at 11:15:20 pm     #  

I've seen them on overpasses before going southbound on I-75 from Michigan just before the I-280 exit

posted by jamesteroh on Feb 10, 2017 at 11:17:31 pm     #  

jamesteroh posted at 10:15:20 PM on Feb 10, 2017:

Do they give you any type of leeway? i.e. how many miles over the speed limit do you have to be going to get ticketed or will they send you a ticket if you are doing 66 in a 65?

I think it depends on who you are. For instance, a friend of mine passed a squad car going the other way, doing 110 in a 35, and the police didn't do anything. But then, he's good friends with a judge, so...

posted by madjack on Feb 11, 2017 at 12:08:44 am     #  

Jamesoteroh-
I believe there is an old Blade article that confirms the guns are programmed to give leeway... but they haven't told the public what that MPH over is.

posted by wahhutch9 on Feb 11, 2017 at 07:05:05 am     #  

Police have a saying that goes like this, 9 is fine at 10 your mine. They seldom issue tickets for less than 10 over. The stationary and mobil cams ticket at 11 mph or more over.

posted by OldTimer on Feb 11, 2017 at 12:11:54 pm     #  

They got me on Heatherdowns by St. Pat's. But here's the thing: it wasn't when kids were arriving or leaving school. The yellow flashing lights were NOT on. Not a kid or school bus in sight. I was going 34mph, and normally it's 45mph there, except during restricted hours. So I called the traffic division, and told them the situation, and asked them to define restricted hours. He told me ANYTIME kids are in school, that is considered restricted hours, and the flashing yellow lights not being on at the time means nothing. He said you never know when a kid might run out of the school and run into the street. Ugh. Lesson learned on my part I suppose, but during mid day when they're all in class, I've never seen anyone voluntarily slow down to 20mph if the yellow lights aren't flashing. Cost: $120.

posted by Rick234 on Feb 23, 2017 at 06:13:41 pm     #  

I saw a cop near St. Pat's yesterday and he nailed several speeders.

posted by 6th_Floor on Feb 23, 2017 at 06:27:10 pm     #  

Wow. Thanks for the heads up.

posted by ahmahler on Feb 23, 2017 at 08:26:06 pm     #  

Rick,

Contest the ticket. Here's the law on school zones:
http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/4511.21

This just proves it's not about safety and all about money (but we all know that). If they are worried about the safety of the school kids the cop should be clearly visible and the lights should be flashing for the school zone so motorists will slow down. The kids sure as hell aren't safe if the lights aren't blinking and a cop hidden issuing tickets isn't making motorists slow down making it safer for the kids.

I went to Detroit this past weekend and the Waze app indicated there was a cop on the Greenbelt parkway. Driving on I-475/i75 coming downtown from west Toledo Monday the app went off twice. I only saw a cop one of those three times so they must be hiding pretty good and they must have multiple cameras.

posted by jamesteroh on Feb 23, 2017 at 08:47:34 pm     #  

I agree that the lights should have to be flashing in order for a cop to issue tickets using a speed radar gun.

Rick, maybe you should consider contacting the local television news stations along with TB about your ticket.

posted by 6th_Floor on Feb 24, 2017 at 01:35:48 am     #  

The sergeant told me that it is ALL about the safety of the kids. I really had to laugh to myself when he said that. He knows, and I know damn well that it's a money grab. Don't get me wrong: I'm all for driving 20mph when kids are arriving or leaving school, but when they are in class, I don't see the point.

I actually went to the driving place on Heatherdowns, and picked up an Ohio traffic law handbook. It said the same thing: when kids are arriving or leaving school. When I mentioned that to the sergeant, he said Toledo's school zone laws are different. That's when I realized that no matter what, it's a no win situation for me. Cops and judges always stick together. Always. If I went to court, not only would I have to pay the $120, but court costs AND have points added to my record. It sucks, but sometimes even if you're right, you're going to be wrong, depending on who you are going against.

posted by Rick234 on Feb 24, 2017 at 02:59:26 pm     #  

I travel daily on heatherdowns to and from work. They could easily catch speeders between Byrne and St Pats without the need for the school zone. I'll be going 45-50 and cars are flying by me constantly

posted by steve155 on Feb 24, 2017 at 03:22:58 pm     #  

If the cameras catch you in a school zone are the tickets more expensive? I was told if you were speeding in a school zone you were violating a different code and the fines were a lot more than in a non school zone (which makes sense).

Rick, if you don't want to fight the ticket I would definitely call a place like call for action and also send in a letter to the Editor at the Blade. You can at least warn others of this BS. I had no idea that you had to follow the school zone speed limit whenever school was in session before reading your post. I always thought it was a half hour before and a half hour after school was in session and during lunch breaks if they had an open lunch and if the lights weren't flashing the school speed wasn't in effect. Why even have the flashing lights if they aren't going to use them during restricted hours?????

posted by jamesteroh on Feb 25, 2017 at 01:09:14 pm     #  

Currently as of 2pm today, under Talmadge rd. Overpass

posted by FranklinT on Mar 07, 2017 at 03:04:41 pm     #  

Keep up the good work Snowden. 👌🏾

posted by Mariner on Mar 07, 2017 at 04:20:26 pm     #  

Anyone have any luck contesting the hand held tickets? How did it go, Hoops?

posted by endiem on Mar 07, 2017 at 05:15:29 pm     #  

Got my hearing postponed until 3-30-17. I will let the group know. Someone else in my office got one in the same place a few days after me, our hearing is the same day, we must come up with our defense!

posted by Hoops on Mar 08, 2017 at 09:15:55 am     #   1 person liked this

If you were indeed driving the vehicle that was positively identified as exceeding the posted speed limit, what could your defense possibly be?

posted by ThePolishFalcon on Mar 08, 2017 at 10:25:54 am     #  

ThePolishFalcon posted at 09:25:54 AM on Mar 08, 2017:

If you were indeed driving the vehicle that was positively identified as exceeding the posted speed limit, what could your defense possibly be?

An unknown speedometer malfunction could exist within Hoops's vehicle. Maybe it registers five miles too slow. If Hoops drives five miles faster than the speed limit, then in reality, Hoops is driving 10 mph over the limit.

Back in February, Hoops said

It is just a hearing, so I will explain myself. He was sitting on Reynolds, by Nebraska where the speed limit increases from 35 mph to 45 mph. I was on my way to work and sped up before the sign.

It's possible that a creative story could be devised. That's why some law firms cost a lot of money.

Maybe confusion exists in the Ohio laws about when the speed limit change from 35 mph to 45 mph applies to drivers.

Did weather issues exist that could limit visibility, such as sun glare, fog, or rain? But then the judge would say that the weather should have forced you to driver slower than the limit.

It might be easier to convince the judge if the limit went the other way, decreasing from 45 to 35 mph.

But be inventive, plead no contest, and maybe the fine will be reduced.

The good part about court is listening to the excuses by others and then watching the judge berate people. It's entertaining.

Hoops, you will have a good time either way. Dress smartly.

posted by jr on Mar 08, 2017 at 10:59:13 am     #  

The most positive thing you can do is some research. It's simple on the net. Demonstrate that you've taken the time to look into it which shows A.) You give a damn B.) You're not a lazy lout C.) You take safe driving seriously enough to study up and some of that sunk in. People who go to these hearings pleading for a break with no discernable effort get back what they put in - nada.

posted by Mariner on Mar 08, 2017 at 11:29:21 am     #   1 person liked this

Jr, you have a good case because witg Ohio law I believe it's confusing when to increase or decrease your speed. Is it when you see the sign or when you pass it should you be going the new speed. ?? Confusion does exist.

posted by FranklinT on Mar 08, 2017 at 11:34:17 am     #  

I got one in the exact same spot on Reynolds and ended up just paying it. Curious to see how contesting it goes.

posted by endiem on Mar 08, 2017 at 12:05:22 pm     #  

ThePolishFalcon posted at 09:25:54 AM on Mar 08, 2017:

If you were indeed driving the vehicle that was positively identified as exceeding the posted speed limit, what could your defense possibly be?

Calibration of the RADAR gun, positive identification of the vehicle. I don't know about current technology, but the RADAR guns I'm familiar with were unable to pinpoint an object. For instance, if you are driving in a group of five cars, the RADAR gun may actually be picking up a car behind you that is accelerating to pass. You get busted because the cop thinks you're funny looking and feels like ruining your day.

Calibration is a big deal with RADAR. Operators used to use a tuning fork which they had to strike on the palm of their hand. One guy I knew out in Colorado beat a speeding ticket that way. By the time the defense attorney was finished questioning the cop, the cop was so embarrassed he wanted to bite someone's nose off.

Road conditions and traffic can also play a part. Check out I-75 in Detroit during the afternoon rush hour. The speed limit is 55, but the slow lane is doing 75. Get pulled over and you could argue that if you drove the double nickle you'd get rear ended by an SUV driven by a fat ass soccer mom on her way to happy hour.

I think there's a couple attorneys on Toledo Talk. How do you mount a defense? And can you get a jury trial on something like this?

posted by madjack on Mar 08, 2017 at 05:14:32 pm     #  

I had my hearing yesterday...............................and I won !!! Saved myself $120. Everyone before me used the typical excuses and were found guilty, so I figured I had no chance. Told my story and when they tried to show the corresponding video, the policeman could not find it. I immediately said if there is no video, I rally for the WIN. They agreed and dismissed the citation/fine. Pure luck, but I will take it.

posted by Hoops on Mar 31, 2017 at 08:28:05 am     #   5 people liked this

Congrats Hoops. Has to feel good to win one on the man. The outcome did surpass typical excuses so there was more than luck at play. Good on ya.

posted by Mariner on Mar 31, 2017 at 09:59:10 am     #  

Nice!

posted by endiem on Mar 31, 2017 at 10:01:58 am     #  

Congrats Hoops! And I recommend the Waze app for any Toledo drivers. Has alerted my boyfriend on many speed traps.

posted by classylady on Mar 31, 2017 at 02:40:35 pm     #  

Two days this week they were on N/B 75 coming out of downtown, right on the ramp to W/B 475 hiding behind the concrete barrier.

It is a 50 mph zone there, so I figure they will give you a ticket for 61 and over.

posted by JohnnyMac on Mar 31, 2017 at 04:16:39 pm     #  

A spot they love to hide at lately is the area of the Greenbelt Pkwy and 280 and on I-75 South just before the I-280 exit

posted by classylady on Mar 31, 2017 at 04:49:53 pm     #  

JohnnyMac posted at 04:16:39 PM on Mar 31, 2017:

Two days this week they were on N/B 75 coming out of downtown, right on the ramp to W/B 475 hiding behind the concrete barrier.

It is a 50 mph zone there, so I figure they will give you a ticket for 61 and over.

Wife got one there going 61 the other day. Ticket came addressed to me. Car is registered in both our names. How can they write the ticket against me? My kid could have been driving.

posted by a_fan on Mar 31, 2017 at 06:52:00 pm     #  

a_fan, isn't it great being a man? :)

Anybody who drives more than the speed limit on 75 between the Michigan line and Promedica is fucking idiot. (Sorry, jr, just broke the Cuss Jar with $5 worth of pennies.)

posted by nana on Mar 31, 2017 at 07:48:05 pm     #   1 person liked this

Just found this:

http://virginiacopblock.org/how-to-beat-a-photo-enforced-speeding-ticket-or-red-light-ticket/

I'm going to copy this letter and try what he did.

posted by a_fan on Mar 31, 2017 at 08:37:43 pm     #  

Congratulations to Hoops for beating the system like a government mule. Here's a hoist of my martini glass and a tip of the old fedora to you, Sir. Good job.

As posted on March 8th, 2017:
I think there's a couple attorneys on Toledo Talk. How do you mount a defense? And can you get a jury trial on something like this?

My thanks to all the attorneys on Toledo Talk for their timely response to this question. I'd like to take this opportunity to remind you that Toledo Talk does not run on court time; Toledo Talk runs in real time. There's a difference.

posted by madjack on Mar 31, 2017 at 09:17:11 pm     #  

" ... when they tried to show the corresponding video, the policeman could not find it. Pure luck ..."

Hoops, you might have "friends" in very low places who know how to misplace things.

"Everyone before me used the typical excuses and were found guilty ..."

Do the math. You were most likely the only person in court who has an account at Toledo Talk, and you were the one who lucked out with the win because a video magically could not be found.

posted by jr on Mar 31, 2017 at 10:01:20 pm     #   8 people liked this

They were out on 475 westbound today just before the Talmadge exit. Saw another one yesterday on Northbound I-75 inbetween the 280 and alexis road exits.

posted by classylady on Apr 02, 2017 at 10:04:59 pm     #  

Go ahead and throw in the towel folks. TPD has unleashed the nuclear option when it comes to enforcing speed limits. They ain't playin'. I think the days of haulin balls down I75/475 are o-v-e-r. Wanna fight it and tempt fate? Those $120 tickets are going to add up real quick-like.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Apr 03, 2017 at 10:49:59 am     #  

Especially if the closest we can come to current is yesterday. :(

posted by justread on Apr 03, 2017 at 10:59:26 am     #   1 person liked this

As overheard on a police scanner:

Toledo Police: We're in pursuit of a red Mustang, Northbound on US 23.
Dispatch: What's your location?
TPD: We're coming up on the Monroe Street exit. Now, we're doing 120 and he's pulling away from us. What do you want us to do?
long pause
Dispatch: We're advising you to let him go. In two minutes he'll be Michigan's problem.

posted by madjack on Apr 03, 2017 at 04:49:05 pm     #  

Apologies for posting where they were the day before. I thought the purpose of this thread was to inform people where the cops are speed trapping at so they could be careful in the areas in the future.

I assumed people wouldn't be posting on TT as soon as they passed a camera or would be reading TT while driving:)

posted by classylady on Apr 03, 2017 at 09:01:51 pm     #  

...or would be reading TT while driving:)

I read TT while drinking, so what's your problem?

posted by madjack on Apr 03, 2017 at 10:34:19 pm     #  

I assumed people wouldn't be posting on TT as soon as they passed a camera or would be reading TT while driving:)

The are probably reading waze.

posted by justread on Apr 04, 2017 at 06:43:25 am     #  

Toledo cop this morning at the top of the Collingwood entrance to N/B 75 with his little camera.

This may be a more permanent location because this cop figured out he didn't have to leave his vehicle to shoot pictures, but he could just sit on his rump and make the money.

posted by JohnnyMac on Apr 11, 2017 at 01:04:04 pm     #   1 person liked this

Sitting in 475 west behind bridge column just before Talmadge. 2 of them there right now.

posted by wahhutch9 on Apr 11, 2017 at 02:45:33 pm     #  

So much safety.

posted by justread on Apr 11, 2017 at 03:10:10 pm     #   1 person liked this

How many of the cameras does the city have? The city has to come up with the money someplace to pay the raise for Paula and city council.

posted by jamesteroh on Apr 11, 2017 at 10:21:17 pm     #  

How many of the cameras does the city have? The city has to come up with the money someplace to pay the raise for Paula and city council.

posted by jamesteroh on Apr 11, 2017 at 10:21:18 pm     #  

I was actually at the council meetings when the cameras were discussed and I think it was 6 cameras and they pay $500 a month to lease them plus 15 or 20% of the fines

posted by OldTimer on Apr 12, 2017 at 07:18:59 am     #  

Helluva return on investment. Customer satisfaction -1,000% Time to change city hall.

posted by Mariner on Apr 12, 2017 at 04:58:15 pm     #   1 person liked this

So the popo doesn't even know the speed limit? The city will probably create a summer job for someone's kid to process the refunds.

posted by classylady on Apr 13, 2017 at 11:37:28 pm     #   2 people liked this

You make a mistake and you get to do a dance on the head of a pin. They make a mistake and you don't even get an oops in response. Nobody ever told me life was fair.

posted by Mariner on Apr 14, 2017 at 08:09:46 am     #  

Mariner posted at 08:09:46 AM on Apr 14, 2017:

You make a mistake and you get to do a dance on the head of a pin. They make a mistake and you don't even get an oops in response. Nobody ever told me life was fair.

As Charmaine Bassett said

... they have the guns and the dogs, all of these abusive powers ...

Obviously, the Toledo police department can be reduced by a small percentage, which would mean the amount of money raided from the capital improvement fund to pay for police salaries can be decreased, which would permit a little more money to fix roads.

When you see these sneaky, radar-gun-holding police officers who, apparently, have nothing worthwhile to do with their time, that means some roads will not be repaired.

But the reason why we have sneaky, radar-gun-holding police officers is because it's a revenue stream for Toledo government. Everyone knows that it has nothing to do with safety. It's a money grab.

Therefore reducing the police force to repair more roads means less money coming into city government, which could negatively impact road repairs.

It's a glorious maze of warped circular reasoning that only Toledo government could perfect.

Those poor radar-gun-holding police officers may not want to participate in this money grab. They would probably prefer to do real police work, but they're following orders. And their commanders giving the orders are probably following orders, reluctantly.

Did the orders come from the mayor's office? That seems like a valid assumption.

From the WTVG story mentioned above:

13abc contacted the mayor's office, and city leaders now have a plan.

One driver is applauding the City of Toledo for refunding her money for a handheld speeding ticket. She received last year around this time.

"I'm glad the mayors office has stepped up and said we'll make this right for everybody."

Well, isn't that special. Let's applaud the mayor's office for coming through in a pinch while this whole affair makes TPD look bad even though it's possible that the mayor's office gave the orders for this mess, which helps fund political buffoonery.

How about the Toledo media investigate the reasons for the sudden increase in sneaky, radar-gun-holding Toledo police work over the past year. Maybe get some anonymous police officers to speak about this lame police work/money grab. Report why Toledo government needs the revenue from traffic cameras/radar guns. Report about the bloat in Toledo's budget. Report about the years of political incompetence.

In other words, do real reporting.

But that kind of reporting won't produce the social media metrics that media orgs crave. That kind of reporting requires the resources that Toledo media may not have. That kind of reporting would require readers to have an attention span that's greater than a goldfish.

February 2017 axios.com story that referenced a May 2015 Time story :

... the human attention span has fallen from 12 seconds to eight seconds since 2000, while the goldfish attention span is nine seconds.

posted by jr on Apr 14, 2017 at 09:37:51 am     #   4 people liked this

Once again jr spot on.

posted by Mariner on Apr 14, 2017 at 10:31:27 am     #  

475 east at Douglas Rd

posted by wahhutch9 on Apr 14, 2017 at 12:05:30 pm     #  

Toledo's finest have been posted at the Douglas exit at least two other days this week during my drive home. I am usually driving home around 4:30, but got off early today for Good Friday. How many hours a day they sit there? Such a racket.

posted by tina77 on Apr 14, 2017 at 02:44:04 pm     #  

And not a peep in todays Blade about the mess up.

Do they have the new hires doing that (who make the least amount of money and thus costing the taxpayers the least amount of money) or since it's such a cushy job does the union require those jobs go to the police with the highest seniority (thus making the most money).

posted by classylady on Apr 14, 2017 at 02:50:07 pm     #  

Someone in my office said they have been on Michigan avenue near the entrance to the Trail/South I-75 quite a bit lately and she is in that area between 4 and 5. Surprisingly they haven't been spotted on the trail.

posted by classylady on Apr 14, 2017 at 02:55:17 pm     #  

Do more than 40mph on the trail and you might as well put $1,500 in escrow for shocks and suspension work. But hey, let's fill up those swimming pools to keep the crime down.

posted by Mariner on Apr 14, 2017 at 04:39:08 pm     #   1 person liked this

Good point, with all the potholes on the AW Trail, it's impossible to speed in some areas unless you want to damage your car

posted by classylady on Apr 14, 2017 at 08:33:36 pm     #  

Reynolds Road between Door and Nebraska at the opportune point where the speed drops to 35mph. What the hell, now we're running a back road speed trap town.

posted by MrGlass419 on Apr 24, 2017 at 12:55:36 pm     #   2 people liked this

Council is having an agenda revue meeting today to give themselves and the mayor substantial raises. Linkage? Not only do they pull $$$'s from your pocket on the street it gets to go Directly into theirs. Best Dirty Harry voice: "Terrific."

posted by Mariner on Apr 25, 2017 at 09:33:27 am     #   1 person liked this

And of course they vote these raises in AFTER a tax levy is approved not before. I'm surprised PH2 and company are voting themselves a pay raise seeing this is an election year.

posted by classylady on Apr 25, 2017 at 12:29:01 pm     #   1 person liked this

And what have they done to earn it? Worked hard on golf carts and lead inspection which they didn't get right and still are not getting right. In the private sector when you screw up you get fired or with any luck a second chance but you sure don't get a pay raise for a failure performance. Fix the roads, pull back on the radar cash grab and then we'll talk your pay. Since you don't have the stomach to negotiate giving away Toledo's water system, hide behind the consultant the Chamber of Commerce is willing to hire but then don't dare to credit for the deal. We're not sure what we need the lot of you for anyway.

posted by Mariner on Apr 25, 2017 at 01:16:10 pm     #   1 person liked this

I'd love to see the numbers that these radar guns will fetch for 2017.

posted by FranklinT on Apr 26, 2017 at 08:05:26 pm     #  

Rick234 posted at 06:13:41 PM on Feb 23, 2017:

They got me on Heatherdowns by St. Pat's. But here's the thing: it wasn't when kids were arriving or leaving school. The yellow flashing lights were NOT on. Not a kid or school bus in sight. I was going 34mph, and normally it's 45mph there, except during restricted hours. So I called the traffic division, and told them the situation, and asked them to define restricted hours. He told me ANYTIME kids are in school, that is considered restricted hours, and the flashing yellow lights not being on at the time means nothing. He said you never know when a kid might run out of the school and run into the street. Ugh. Lesson learned on my part I suppose, but during mid day when they're all in class, I've never seen anyone voluntarily slow down to 20mph if the yellow lights aren't flashing. Cost: $120.

School zones during ambiguous times might be a new speed honeypot for TPD and their radar guns. So beware.

I was recorded on Arlington near Bowsher going 42 -- posted speed limit there is 40. Except, of course, whenever local police decide it is currently "restricted hours." I looked up Ohio law and those hours are pretty loosely defined. I'm not sure if there was a reduced speed sign with lights flashing or not, to be perfectly truthful, but according to the state law, they don't have to be.

Like Rick above, I seriously did not know that school zone "restricted hours" don't necessarily have to be during arrival/dismissal times. Guess I learned a lesson, too.

posted by jmleong on Apr 26, 2017 at 10:02:42 pm     #  

Do you think that if someone ran for mayor who said they would do away with the speed camera's would win? How about just having red light cameras? Going through a red light is a safety issue, speed maybe not so much. Or how about a candidate who said he/she would put the issue before the voters? This money grab is getting
ridiculous!

posted by reggie on Apr 27, 2017 at 06:14:04 am     #   2 people liked this

Do away with all Redflex cameras, come up with a real budget, get out of the real estate business, straighten out the city departments especially the water dept., and not be beholden to unions. That would win person votes.

posted by Erin on Apr 27, 2017 at 08:01:46 am     #   3 people liked this

Erin posted at 08:01:46 AM on Apr 27, 2017:

Do away with all Redflex cameras, come up with a real budget, get out of the real estate business, straighten out the city departments especially the water dept., and not be beholden to unions. That would win person votes.

Really? Where's the outrage from the citizenry regarding the way this city/county/region is run? Where's the local media digging into the water department issue? As an overburdened taxpayer, it would be nice to know what's really going on over there - once and for all.

Toledoans/Lucas County residents don't really seem to give a shit in large enough numbers to force anything to change. And, if you aren't backed by the corrupt union thug bosses in this county, good luck getting elected to anything.

Great to see downtown experiencing a growth and revitalization boom. But, as much of the rest of the city continues to deteriorate and anyone who is able to move out does so, who will be left to pay the taxes to support the politician's folly?

posted by Foodie on Apr 27, 2017 at 08:53:17 am     #   5 people liked this

Another thing: TRAFFIC SAFETY MY ASS.

A main transformer blew this morning on or near Secor and right now the intersection at Monroe hasn't had working traffic lights in at least 90 minutes, probably longer. I went thru at 9:00 and again at 9:25. Drivers are being very good about treating it as a 4-way stop, but with the enormous amount of traffic at that intersection, it's an accident waiting to happen.

No cop in sight. I guess they're all too busy holding radar guns elsewhere to direct traffic at Monroe and Secor.

posted by jmleong on Apr 27, 2017 at 10:10:58 am     #   5 people liked this

Off holding a public relations coffee or meet/greet in a park Ever wonder why they went to all blue uniforms for command/patrol all being the same? They don't want you to see how many higher pay command there really are with a sea of white shirts. Six chiefs for one Indian. Sure we need more recruits and classes to give higher salary management something to do. Can't have officers doing grunt work on the bricks. There is a contract coming up and all the get to know us and you will love us softens the commoners to vote in the affirmative and go quietly for pay raises. The mayor and council should go to school on that tactic trying to convince taxpayers they are worth the additional money since their performance rates an F.

posted by Mariner on Apr 27, 2017 at 10:31:21 am     #   1 person liked this

Ever wonder why they went to all blue uniforms for command/patrol all being the same?

I assumed it was persec and opsec for command security in a world increasingly full of whack jobs and snipers. I wouldn't want to wear the tallest hat, so to speak. Why make it easier to target command? (Easier than the stripes and brass)

posted by justread on Apr 27, 2017 at 11:06:52 am     #  

Agree with your reply which is a highly serious matter today and does not deserve smart ass blogging. Admittedly my keaster is not out there on the line. The cheap shot was to highlight that the radar practice is being done by law enforcement no doubt encouraged by civilian electors scrambling to pay the bills and keep the lights on. To target school zones in the way they have has just not been common practice in all my years of driving. And all without a school zone ticket I will proudly say. I want kids safe like the next guy but the answers I am reading here are nothing short of caprecious. The whole world deserves a raise but this city budget is overly strained on safety forces. Perhaps the agreements as stand need to be revisited.

posted by Mariner on Apr 27, 2017 at 01:27:18 pm     #  

FranklinT posted at 08:05:26 PM on Apr 26, 2017:

I'd love to see the numbers that these radar guns will fetch for 2017.

Straight from the city's 2017 proposed budget:

"Revenue received from red light and speed violations is estimated at $4,300,000 for 2017. Of this total, $2,000,000 is anticipated from stationary cameras and $2,300,000 is anticipated from hand-held cameras."

The question is if they budget for the total face value of tickets/fines as income or does this amount account for lower collections.

posted by presbacon on Apr 27, 2017 at 01:37:41 pm     #  

Im going to predict the city will get way more from those handheld cameras.

posted by FranklinT on Jun 03, 2017 at 04:52:10 pm     #  

Im going to predict the city will get way more from those handheld cameras.

posted by FranklinT on Jun 03, 2017 at 04:52:17 pm     #  

I see on the 6 oclock news someone has a ticket coming via u.s. mail for driving 126 mph on the hand held radar.

posted by moxie on Jun 06, 2017 at 06:38:43 pm     #  

Probably got him/her on I-75. They've been sitting off to the side on top of the Ottawa River on ramp during morning rush hour - creating a hazard for the rest of us I might add - with their cute little radar/photo guns pointed north and south. Pointed north assures they will not get any Michigan drivers.

Meanwhile, multiple shootings are happening all over town........

posted by Foodie on Jun 06, 2017 at 09:30:31 pm     #   1 person liked this

Sitting on the east side of the High Level Bridge this morning, clocking drivers going towards downtown..................might have got me, it is going to be close !

posted by Hoops on Jun 07, 2017 at 08:06:17 am     #  

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4570964/Grandmother-tricks-speeding-drivers-HAIRDRYER.html

Granny is obviously doing it wrong. She's all about safety and stuff while leaving a ton of money on the table.

posted by JoeyGee on Jun 07, 2017 at 08:12:49 am     #  

There was one on 75 this morning right by the Northbound entrance in downtown. He may have been able to take pictures of Southbound traffic from his location, too, which would really be a bitch if they found a spot where they can get traffic going both ways.

posted by JohnnyMac on Jun 07, 2017 at 08:33:20 am     #  

Thank you TPD, so much SAFETY!

posted by presbacon on Jun 07, 2017 at 09:01:43 am     #   1 person liked this

If they can catch drivers going both ways now it may pay speeders to remove their front license plate. You rarely hear of anyone getting fined for no front plate.

My boyfriend and I walk to San Marco's on occasionally and will frequently walk across the high level bridge for exercise and bike down Broadway. If I had $1 for every time someone didn't yield to me as a pedestrian or bicyclist (not honoring the crossroad or mainly making an illegal turn on red and sometimes they not only come to a complete stop they don't even slow down).

It really pisses me off they are at the high level bridge with speed cameras for "safety". If TPD was really concerned with safety why aren't they writing tickets for people not yielding to pedestrians and those on bikes and making illegal turns on red. Those are REAL safety issue.

posted by classylady on Jun 07, 2017 at 09:59:12 am     #   2 people liked this

We all know this isn't about safety. It is a cash grab.

posted by endiem on Jun 07, 2017 at 10:22:20 am     #   1 person liked this

Does PH2 and company honestly think anyone believes it's about safety and not cash?

posted by classylady on Jun 07, 2017 at 11:53:11 am     #   1 person liked this

classylady posted at 11:53:11 AM on Jun 07, 2017:

Does PH2 and company honestly think anyone believes it's about safety and not cash?

Since it's Toledo politics ...

"... they just don’t care about what is right or what the people think."

posted by jr on Jun 07, 2017 at 12:05:56 pm     #   3 people liked this

As far as I'm concerned those tickets are generating money that we need. Ever drive on city streets? Seems like we could use more police to catch up on our gun problem as stated above. I drive 5 over and have never gotten a ticket so in order to beat the system, don't speed. Until then, thanks for helping pay for some pot holes getting filled! But to be honest the money's probably allocated for raises for PH2 and city council lol

posted by steve155 on Jun 07, 2017 at 12:40:33 pm     #  

As far as I'm concerned those tickets are generating money that we need

We just found 10 million. It's about "safety" again.

posted by justread on Jun 07, 2017 at 12:55:08 pm     #  

I'm sure if the money was being earmarked for a restricted fund for road repairs instead of the general budget people might wouldn't have as much of an issue with it. If we are being fined for speeding on the roads it would be nice to have them pothole free for the residents:)

posted by classylady on Jun 07, 2017 at 01:02:01 pm     #  

PH2 and company found 10 million just in time for the election:)

posted by classylady on Jun 07, 2017 at 01:02:30 pm     #   1 person liked this

Didn't the same thing happen under Czarty? Or was it Jack Ford?

posted by Foodie on Jun 07, 2017 at 04:31:08 pm     #   1 person liked this

"As far as I'm concerned those tickets are generating money that we need."

What the hell happened to our Toledo tax dollars that were suppose to maintain our roads? Eliminate our taxes, and the city can use as many cameras as it likes.

Maybe the city should stop policing our neighborhoods, since it's a waste of money because it fails to generate revenue.

When speeding rackets and an illegal tax become significant revenue streams, then things are still a bit unhealthy in Toledo.

posted by jr on Jun 07, 2017 at 04:48:32 pm     #   6 people liked this

TPD cop on the top of the Ottawa River ramp again this morning nailing people SB on 75. What a racket. If this were truly about safety, they'd be nailing the semi-trucks who barrel through the I-75 construction zones in the north end at 80mph - all the while edging over into the other lane because it is so narrow through there.

posted by Foodie on Jun 08, 2017 at 09:10:24 am     #   1 person liked this

A lady in my office said her Waze app was showing they were by the Greenbelt Parkway/I280 this morning.

If this is truly about safety they should be visible. If people see a cop they will slow down. You aren't going to have any vehicles slowing down hiding behind a cement wall taking pics.

posted by classylady on Jun 08, 2017 at 10:38:07 am     #   2 people liked this

TPD has become nothing more than organ grinder monkeys for PH2. Chief Kral should be ashamed his department has been reduced from a law enforcement role to revenue collections. By allowing this to happen he may as well be the Sherriff of Nottingham from the Disney version of Robin Hood.

posted by Erin on Jun 08, 2017 at 07:32:54 pm     #   1 person liked this

Good morning. I travel 475 a lot. I see those motorcycle cops with the hand held camera's by the Douglas Rd. on and off ramps all the time. They are hard to see until its too late if your speeding. Don't be day dreaming. I set my cruise control because I tend to day dream.

posted by reggie on Jun 09, 2017 at 05:53:17 am     #  

Friday Morning update : 475W at the ProMedica Entrance ramp, Reynolds Road by Nebraska.....you have been warned people!

posted by Hoops on Jun 09, 2017 at 08:20:58 am     #  

Walked to San Marco's for dinner last night. Both ways we witnessed people making right turns on red barely slowing down to or from the High Level bridge. Walking there a motorist in the left lane going west bound off the bridge had the cross walk blocked with their car and walking back home had a motorist make a right turn on red without slowing down and didn't yield when we had the right of way and walk signal.

If TPD is so damn worried about safety why aren't they issue tickets there to discourage this behavior and protect pedestrians instead of sitting there with a speed camera? This is a regular event everytime we walk to San Marco's or walk the High Level bridge.

posted by classylady on Jun 09, 2017 at 02:01:16 pm     #  

I don't get all the outrage on this topic.

Everyone simply needs to obey the law and drive the speed limit.

Why is that so hard to do? (I know, I know, everyone else is speeding and I'm a hazard by going the posted speed limit, my speedometer is somehow miscalibrated, I'm distracted by texting, It's ok to go up to 9 mph over the Speed Limit cause my friend told me so, you don't agree with the the police enforcing the speed limit using a laser gun, there are so many other SAFTEY issues the police should be worried about, etc.)

It's not a money grab issue, not a safety issue, not a PHH issue, not a political issue, not a "fill-in-the-blank issue" it's simply a "you simply need to obey the posted speed limit" issue.

If you want to revolt against this "outrage", how about trying just obeying the law and not exceeding the Speed LIMIT?

I know, it's so hard to do.

posted by bassam on Jun 09, 2017 at 10:11:19 pm     #   1 person liked this

I have no problem with police enforcing the law for safety. But how is giving someone a $120 ticket for going 106mph better than pulling them over and charging them with reckless operation and the end result may very well be a bad driver is off the road.

If the cops had to follow the same laws about visibility when they were running the radar for criminal tickets I wouldn't have a problem with it. But until they start doing that I'm sticking by my statement that they are organ grinder monkeys and Chief Kral is the bumbling Sherriff of Nottingham.

As the son of a retired police officer, it pisses me off that law enforcement is being used in this way, and if my dad were still alive he would be pissed too.

posted by Erin on Jun 09, 2017 at 10:31:03 pm     #   1 person liked this

You violate the law and you get a fine.

What is this nonsense about? "visibility", "organ grinder monkeys", bumbling Sherriff of Nottingham"?

You speed (break the law), you get a ticket. Could it be any simpler?

It's not about the police, or the lasers, or the locations, or bad drivers.

If you exceed the speed limit, you get a ticket. How hard is that to grasp?

posted by bassam on Jun 09, 2017 at 10:49:32 pm     #   1 person liked this

The larger ramifications of hyper enforcement for revenue purposes using technology to stack the deck in the favor of the police are not lost on this guy at all.
Damn statists.

posted by justread on Jun 10, 2017 at 02:15:26 am     #   3 people liked this

Like Erin's comment and justread's hyper enforcement for revenue purposes phrase. That is what the blowback is all about. On balance people want a well trained professional law enforcement who take pride in their work and retain the memory of why they took that job in the first place: to help people. Being ordered to perform as speed trap monkeys can't have a beneficial impact on morale.

posted by Mariner on Jun 10, 2017 at 06:43:34 am     #  

Bassam has a point in a way. We are a country of laws. If you break them you take the chance of being punished.
However, we know the city does this for the money. Is there any debate on this?
Traveling on 75-475 you can set your speed control. Driving on some streets where the speed drops from 35 to 25 with no warning or through school zones with no flashing lights (ie: speed traps), is what is BS and should be stopped.

posted by reggie on Jun 10, 2017 at 07:19:02 am     #   5 people liked this

From Atlas Shrugged -

... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with.”

posted by Danneskjold on Jun 10, 2017 at 08:28:21 am     #   4 people liked this

Today's speed limits are artificially low. Speed limits basically haven't changed in 50 years, although vehicle safety (ABS, air bags, lane assistance, etc) had made gigantic leaps forward,

Setting the limit on 475 near ProMedica at 60 MPH is a joke. It is a brand new road, smooth as glass, engineered to be as safe as possible. It should be 70 or 75 through there.

posted by JohnnyMac on Jun 10, 2017 at 11:21:56 am     #   1 person liked this

Johnny Mac I can not agree with that. Speed limits need to be lower inside city limits because of all the entrances and exits. Cars are changing lanes to get off or on and this makes for a lot of things going on in those areas.

posted by OldTimer on Jun 10, 2017 at 11:43:18 am     #   2 people liked this

My experience is that traffic moves quite well through there at 70 MPH already.

And, are there really that many accidents on that stretch of 475 that we need all of this "safety" right there?

posted by JohnnyMac on Jun 10, 2017 at 11:48:08 am     #  

From Jan 1 until now 91 accidents have occurred on 475 in the Toledo limits. Just this week all my wife could see was 4 tires sticking up over the wall on EB 475 in that area when someone rolled their SUV on the EB side

posted by OldTimer on Jun 10, 2017 at 12:32:20 pm     #   1 person liked this

reggie posted at 07:19:02 AM on Jun 10, 2017:

Bassam has a point in a way. We are a country of laws. If you break them you take the chance of being punished.
However, we know the city does this for the money. Is there any debate on this?

Traveling on 75-475 you can set your speed control. Driving on some streets where the speed drops from 35 to 25 with no warning or through school zones with no flashing lights (ie: speed traps), is what is BS and should be stopped.

I think a lot of people would feel better about this if they had let us vote on it.

posted by justread on Jun 10, 2017 at 01:39:40 pm     #  

I'll attribute the accidents on 475 near ProMedica to ODOT and their never ending construction project (ten years? and counting) before I'll blame speeding motorists ina 60 MPH zone, I reckon.

posted by JohnnyMac on Jun 10, 2017 at 02:37:08 pm     #   1 person liked this

I'll attribute the accidents on 475 near ProMedica to ODOT and their never ending construction project (ten years? and counting) before I'll blame speeding motorists ina 60 MPH zone, I reckon.

posted by JohnnyMac on Jun 10, 2017 at 02:37:09 pm     #  

I drove to DTW friday afternoon and the Waze app was showing police at Greenbelt parkway and I-75 (I saw the cop but looked like he was getting traffic going southbound and I was going northbound. Also sent an alert by ottawa river on I-75 but I didn't see anyone so either he was gone or was hiding.

posted by jamesteroh on Jun 11, 2017 at 11:18:32 am     #  

475 Westbound at ProMedica again this morning, but I think they can get cars going Eastbound from that spot, too.

posted by JohnnyMac on Jun 12, 2017 at 08:19:10 am     #  

That stretch of westbound I-475 between the split and Douglas Rd must be one of the most dangerous roadways in the state of Ohio to require the services of the Barney Fife safety brigade.

"It's not a money grab issue, not a safety issue, not a PHH issue, not a political issue, not a "fill-in-the-blank issue" it's simply a "you simply need to obey the posted speed limit" issue."

Money collected from traffic enforcement cameras is listed in the budget as revenue. The city expects a minimum amount of money from these cameras to keep the budget balanced. It's not bonus money for the rainy day fund.

Recently, the mayor referenced this revenue stream and called it good news. Good news? It's bad news because it indicates the number of dangerous drivers on our roadways. PH2 should have produced a public service announcement, reminding drivers to think of the children and drive slower.

Since it's expected revenue in the budget, then it's obviously a money grab. If nobody drove dangerously, then we would have a multi-million dollar budget hole that would have to be made up somewhere.

The increase in the sneaky police activity began only a year or so ago. If this kind of "policing" had been occurring since the 1980s, then fine. No biggie.

But why the sudden increase in this kind of shoddy police work in only the past year? Does it have anything to do with the state's and courts' decisions, regarding the stationary traffic enforcement cameras?

Since the mayor creates the budget, and city council approves it, and since money from traffic cameras is expected revenue, and if the money from the stationary cameras got eliminated or reduced, then obviously, the mayor or city government gave the police department the order to put humans on the roads with handheld cameras.

The police may not want to participate in this scam, but they could be ordered to do it by the mayor. The city's needs this revenue for the general fund, ironically, to help pay the salaries of police officers.

The city is relying on dangerous driving.
It's definitely not a safety issue.
Buy it is a money grab.
It is a mayoral issue.
It is a city council issue.
It is a scam.

It's a dry, sunny, summer morning. How slippery is westbound 475 between the split and Douglas Rd? How low is the visibility this morning due rain, snow, fog, or a forest fire? It's morning, westbound, therefore the sun cannot be blamed as a weather hazard.

How about these dedicated officers place their asses along the roadways when it's dark and snowing or pouring rain or foggy and the road and driving conditions are not good enough to be driving the speed limit, let along well above the limit? Then their so-called police work would be about safety.

posted by jr on Jun 12, 2017 at 09:02:16 am     #   7 people liked this

Boom. The essentially truth laid bare.
Right there in the open, like a flotilla of kayaks gently floating down the Maumee past the new Metropark after a rain, with bright colors and brown tipped paddles.

posted by justread on Jun 12, 2017 at 10:11:40 am     #   2 people liked this

Will go with a rowing scull with the brown tips all enmeshed and colliding with each other on clowncil. Bad advice, bad judgement coming outa 1 govmint square.

posted by Mariner on Jun 12, 2017 at 10:21:46 am     #  

Not one, but two of them on the Ottawa River entrance ramp this morning - at the same time.

posted by Foodie on Jun 12, 2017 at 02:08:19 pm     #  

City of Toledo 2017 Approved Budget - March 2017

General Fund Revenue and Other Sources

Fines and Forfeitures
Fines and forfeitures revenue includes red light camera revenue, court costs and fines. Total 2017 estimated revenue is $7,055,815. Revenue received from red light and speed violations is estimated at $4,300,000 for 2017. Of this total, $2,000,000 is anticipated from stationary cameras and $2,300,000 is anticipated from hand-held cameras.


Mayor PH2 said in May 2017:

"What we have is some good news," the mayor told The Blade. "And the good news is because of ... the handheld speed cameras and some other revenue things that are happening."

When did society deem dangerous driving to be "good news"?

I refuse to believe that Toledo politicians would be joyous, like Hicks-Hudson appears to be, over revenue collected from deadly driving antics. Even Toledo politicians would not sink that low. Would they?

It's an election year. Are any political candidates proposing ideas to end dangerous driving?


Toledo Talk thread from 2008 that referenced a July 2008 Blade story

Toledo is $2.5M in red; deficit may hit $5M.

... revenue from traffic enforcement cameras have fallen short.

My comment back then:

As to the revenue problem with the cameras, I guess that means the cameras are doing their job, and people are driving safer, which is what I thought the traffic cameras were all about.


In that same TT thread, it was shown that back in 2008, councilman Mark Sobczak slipped up.

City mulls $120 fines for traffic violations.

Council President Mark Sobczak said the increase request does not seem to have opposition from councilmen. "No one likes to raise fees but, quite frankly, we are trying to balance the budget," Mr. Sobczak said.


Also from that same thread, Lisa Renee at Glass City Jungle astutely observed in February 2008:

The City is counting on the increased revenue to help the budget which means, they are counting on residents of NWO to run red lights and to speed through intersections.

After all, if you all slow down and follow our traffic laws by driving safely then imagine the horrible affect it would have on our budget.


Our traffic camera revenue scams have existed since the early aught years. Multiple Toledo mayoral regimes and city council compositions have endorsed these revenue streams.

It's politics. Politicians create schemes to take money from the citizens, and the politicians create lies to justify their actions.

I think that a sensible line of questioning for the 2017 Toledo mayoral and city council at-large candidates should focus on the health of the city. And I'm not referring to our drinking water nor the opioid addiction issue.

1. When and how will the city of Toledo stop taking money from the capital improvements plan to help pay police and fire salaries that are the biggest expense in the general fund?

2. When and how will the city no longer be dependent upon the revenue, generated by the traffic enforcement camera scam?

3. When and how will the city no longer be dependent upon the revenue, generated by the illegal refuse fee tax?


The political candidates will probably propose feel-good solutions
for Lake Erie and drug addiction to give the appearance of caring. All of the candidates will say similar things on those two concerns.

But which candidates will focus on our finances?

1. In 2017, Toledo government was expected to transfer over $11 million from the capital improvement fund to the general fund.

2. For 2017, the traffic enforcement cameras were forecast to generate over $4 million, but the city is on pace to receive over $6 million from these cameras, thanks to greater-than-expected revenue generated thus far by the handheld cameras.

3. According to the 2017 budget, the illegal refuse fee tax is forecast to generate (steal) nearly $12 million.


That's nearly $30 million that the general fund for a healthy city SHOULD NOT receive, especially regarding the CIP money and the illegal refuse fee tax.

The refuse fee will steal nearly $12 million from Toledoans in 2017. That's money that we could have saved or spent, including spending on local businesses.

  • When and how will Toledo's general fund collect the $30 million from tax revenue, generated by visitors and new businesses and from the businesses and residents who have moved into the city, making the city no longer dependent upon our current scams?
  • Or when and how will the city reduce the general fund budget to make the $30 million unnecessary?

posted by jr on Jun 12, 2017 at 09:25:32 pm     #   4 people liked this

"t's a dry, sunny, summer morning. How slippery is westbound 475 between the split and Douglas Rd? How low is the visibility this morning due rain, snow, fog, or a forest fire? It's morning, westbound, therefore the sun cannot be blamed as a weather hazard.

How about these dedicated officers place their asses along the roadways when it's dark and snowing or pouring rain or foggy and the road and driving conditions are not good enough to be driving the speed limit, let along well above the limit? Then their so-called police work would be about safety."

This says it all.

posted by reggie on Jun 13, 2017 at 05:40:40 am     #   1 person liked this

Same cop, same time, same place this morning: 475 Westbound at ProMedica.

posted by JohnnyMac on Jun 13, 2017 at 08:17:13 am     #  

reggie,

I don't think it's entirely up to the officers themselves on where they "place their asses".... it's not like they get in their patrol car at the start of their shift and say "Well, what shall we do today ?"

Their bosses dictate that, I would assume.

I agree about the radar and cameras being a pain in the ass, but I don't think it's fair to get an attitude towards the officers themselves.

Also, if they would get their shit together down at City Hall, and manage the money better, perhaps they wouldn't need to depend on that revenue from speeding cars as much as they do. The money is there, but My God, the way it is handled is a mess.

posted by foodie88 on Jun 13, 2017 at 09:21:56 am     #   2 people liked this

I don't blame TPD. The mandate probably comes from the 22nd floor of One Government Center where our incompetent mayor is located.

I take the Promedica westbound ramp every morning to work. Looks like it has become a new favorite spot for TPD to get speeders every morning along with the Ottawa River Road on-ramp.

Definitely not a "safety" issue, but if traffic flow is going 68-73 mph, then it is what it is. If its for safety, have the cops at least visible and not hiding behind the overpass (as he was doing this morning). I know people slow down when police are actually visible out on the highway opposed to playing hide and seek.

Meanwhile, the city has seen murders the past 3 straight days. More cops on the streets and not getting speeders. Makes me want to pull petitions out to run for City Clowncil in the fall....

It would be totally funny (probably illegal) to hold up a sign every morning on the other side of the overpass warning of the cop on the other side tho....

posted by WestToledoan on Jun 13, 2017 at 12:28:25 pm     #  

I think it was two gang related murders and one defensive shooting of a man who found the wrong apartment in the middle of the night and was shot during an altercation with the property manager. I may be wrong.

posted by justread on Jun 13, 2017 at 12:54:36 pm     #  

They are migrating to the neighborhoods. I passed one about 2 PM on Eastbound Tremainsville between Wernerts corners and Upton (about Melwood). I think I was doing about 39 in a 35. Hopefully I fell within the grace amount.
Bad spot for him though. That road is too bumpy to really speed.

posted by Trilby on Jun 13, 2017 at 04:19:55 pm     #  

Start blowing your horn when you pass him. It scares the sh!t out of them.

posted by kritter on Jun 14, 2017 at 12:35:45 am     #   1 person liked this

>Start blowing your horn when you pass him. It scares the sh!t out of them.<

Might that not cause his trigger finger to push the shutter button inadvertently ? It would be better if he dropped it and broke it.

posted by Trilby on Jun 14, 2017 at 08:02:30 am     #   1 person liked this

>Start blowing your horn when you pass him. It scares the sh!t out of them.<

Might that not cause his trigger finger to push the shutter button inadvertently ? It would be better if he dropped it and broke it.

posted by Trilby on Jun 14, 2017 at 08:02:57 am     #  

Well, I found out why there are double posts. After posting a message, the forum does not advance you to a better place. Backing out, you see the post was not sent and you may re-send it error.

posted by Trilby on Jun 14, 2017 at 08:05:58 am     #  

kritter the crosshairs of disagreement do not belong on the guy wearing the badge. It's not smart to pull the tail of the tiger. Before I get my shit jumped for that comment it is not a veiled threat on my part and probably these musings are read I really doubt there is much over-reaction by those who are trained and disciplined in their responses. Am still flabbergasted by anyone speeding on a residential street under current road conditions. I'm having a hard enough time bobbing and weaving the mortar holes which feels like driving in some perverse video game where the accumulated points are you don't get a trip to the repair shop this week.

posted by Mariner on Jun 14, 2017 at 08:10:49 am     #  

Same cop, same time, slightly different location today: 475 Westbound, hiding in the long grass behind the Douglas overpass.

I think he finally noticed my one finger salute today.

posted by JohnnyMac on Jun 14, 2017 at 08:16:44 am     #   1 person liked this

Someone in my office said the same cop frequents the Greenbelt/I28) area. She doesn't speed and wants to row down her window and give him the one finger salute but is scared of getting a ticket:)

posted by classylady on Jun 14, 2017 at 01:12:42 pm     #  

Want to avoid the entire issue of dealing with police with radar guns? Why not simply drive the speed limit? Seems simple enough.....

posted by ryors on Jun 14, 2017 at 04:59:00 pm     #   2 people liked this

Thanks Ryors,

Dope slap to the head!

Of course, the way to avoid all this nonsense is to simply DRIVE THE SPEED LIMIT.

No need for honking, or Fingers or deep philosophical diatribes about the DEEPER implications of speed cops, dollars, budgets, political issues or whatever other bullshit issues you have on your mind.

Light your torches Toledo and storm the castle that has thrust it's unjust speed cops upon us! JUST DRIVE THE SPEED LIMIT!

Wow!

posted by bassam on Jun 14, 2017 at 08:05:31 pm     #   2 people liked this

Seems simple enough

Yeah. Almost too simple. ;)

posted by justread on Jun 14, 2017 at 09:17:48 pm     #   3 people liked this

I do drive the speed limit. The problem is that TPD keeps telling everyone that it's about safety. That's pure Bullsh!t. Just tell the truth Chief Kral!

posted by kritter on Jun 14, 2017 at 10:56:14 pm     #   1 person liked this

"Why not simply drive the speed limit?"

You must hate Toledo. If people drive legally, then the city will be deprived of $6 million. The city wants that money, and it will get it somehow.

I suggest a downtown Toledo tax. Any purchases made in downtown get taxed more than anywhere else in the city.

posted by jr on Jun 14, 2017 at 11:11:16 pm     #   2 people liked this

To all of the people who say "just drive the speed limit:"

1. The speed limits are artificially low. 70 mph on all highways should be a minimum. If it is really about safety, make the speed limits on all highways 25 mph: That will be really safe.

2. When the fines were started years ago, they were $90. Why are they now $120? Why isn't a $25 reminder enough to slow down?

3. As a taxpayer, why I am paying some Toledo cop $75,000 per year to sit with a camera and take pictures? Isn't this cop some highly trained specialist that we are somewhat understaffed within Toledo? Are all of the major crimes solved? Can't we outsource this "job" to some minimum wage hack?

4. Why is it OK to be policed like this? What is stopping them from putting a camera on your street and giving you a ticket every time you turn into your drive-way without using a turn signal? Are you "just drive the speed limit" people OK with that?

5. It is just bad PR with your citizens. It gets people to dislike the cops, and they don't need that. That is why I give them the finger: So they go to their bosses and say, "Hey, Boss, the people are on to our lying bullshit, and they don't like it."

posted by JohnnyMac on Jun 14, 2017 at 11:49:16 pm     #   2 people liked this

The parallel is a pretty good stretch but as the President just fired the Director of the FBI the question does come down to who works for who?

posted by Mariner on Jun 15, 2017 at 07:51:20 am     #  

Today, same cop, same time, back to the ProMedica location, but he wasn't out of his car yet, just sitting in there (probably avoiding the rain).

posted by JohnnyMac on Jun 15, 2017 at 08:34:05 am     #   1 person liked this

Help from above:

  • "Everyone simply needs to obey the law and drive the speed limit."
  • "Why not simply drive the speed limit?"

Sadly, those feeble suggestions miss the greater point.

The concern is not about speed limits, safety, nor the police. The current handheld speed camera project is a symptom.

The issue is about the decisions made by past and current mayors and city council people, which means, it's also a citizen apathy issue.

It's unfortunate that most Toledoans have no interest in local government.

Even non-voters should understand the gory details of city government enough to know the difference between a real safety issue and a money-grab.

Our budget is bloated. Toledo government wastes taxpayer dollars. Observe the asinine explanations that local elected officials give for squandering our money.

Since Toledo government fails to prioritize spending, fails to reduce the budget in a meaningful manner, and fails to obtain all of the necessary funding through so-called legitimate means, the politicians resort to creative scams.

Driving the speed limit does not resolve the long-term financial incompetence of city government.

posted by jr on Jun 15, 2017 at 04:04:15 pm     #   4 people liked this

A few problem's with radar gun cameras and red light/speed cameras.

A Police officer's job is to enforce the law and to be corrective by letting the public know what law/laws were broken if any. This is done at a traffic stop, where a conversation is held to inform the person/person's what needs to be done to fix it.. the red and blue lights displayed , the whole getting "pulled over" situation has a better effect to help correct your driving, In my Opinion. This whole sending a ticket in the mail is just a cash grab.

The speed limit needs to be raised on 475/75 as well.

posted by FranklinT on Jun 19, 2017 at 03:08:01 pm     #   2 people liked this

Interesting point.
I don't think that's how it is supposed to work, but I see your point. I think the police officer's job is to gather and collect evidence for the prosecutor, who then convinces a judge or jury to be "corrective."

They are not there to protect us, either (USSC ruled on that one). That is a personal responsibility.

They protect us by gathering evidence against people worse than us. Often times, they do that at a traffic stop. Now, if you think seeing red and blue lights has a corrective aspect, just imagine how effective a SWAT team and a bunch of drawn Sig Sauers can be. I depend on these guys occasionally pulling some good old fashioned gang bangers out of the car and proning them out across the road like a cheap deli tray. Works the same?

posted by justread on Jun 19, 2017 at 04:21:25 pm     #  

FTPD!

posted by kritter on Jun 21, 2017 at 01:51:38 am     #  

After taking the first three days of the work week off, same cop, same time on 475 Westbound at ProMedica.

posted by JohnnyMac on Jun 22, 2017 at 08:41:39 am     #  

My boyfriend said there was a cop by broadway and the high level bridge this morning and said it looked like he was using a camera gun.

It's a shame they aren't taking photos of all the cars that make illegal right turns on red at that intersection and don't yield to pedestrians or bikes

posted by classylady on Jun 22, 2017 at 01:17:56 pm     #  

Same cop, same time this morning (8:00 am), at the ProMedica overpass, taking pictures of westbound traffic on 475.

That stretch of road must at 8:00 am must be sooo dangerous.

posted by JohnnyMac on Jun 28, 2017 at 11:43:20 am     #   1 person liked this

I'm in a quandary over the officer with the radar on the highlevel bridge this morning. I was heading to the east and he was on the west bound side pointing in my direction. When I noticed him, I glanced at my speedometer and I wasn't even at the posted speed of 35 yet, but I was almost approaching the orange barrels/painting of the bridge. I have always slowed down because of the men always working close to the barrels and running thru traffic and jumping over the center to the other side and slowed down this morning as well. But there isn't a posted construction zone men working speed. So would he be giving tickets for speeding or for cars not slowing down for the painting crew?

posted by ToledoLatina on Jun 28, 2017 at 08:50:29 pm     #