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Hickey For Kids Campaign Signs

"Hickey For Kids" is an odd choice of wording based upon his shady past at Addison (MI) schools and his sketchy behavior at Whitmer. Kinda sick, when you think about it.

so.....whats the word on the street? Does this guy and his cadre stand a good chance at getting elected to WLS BOE ?

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Ha ha. I have zero personal or professional involvement with the Hickey controversy or any of the players, but from afar - very afar- it does seem like the guy just can't help from making things worse for himself. It's only a matter of time until his detractors arm themselves with Sharpies and add an "S" to his name on all the signage.

posted by SavageFred on Sep 27, 2017 at 10:16:34 am     #  

I'll be shocked if he doesn't get elected. When it comes to elections, this region seems incapable of saving itself from itself.

posted by JoeyGee on Sep 27, 2017 at 11:49:32 am     #   7 people liked this

Hickey has quite the fan club in the district. They think some rouge lady with multiple Facebook accounts brought him down. He brought himself down. He just doesn't know when to quit. He will likely get elected. If he still acts like an entitled jackass, it won't be long before he shoots himself in the foot again and will have to step down from the board.

posted by TrilbyGuy on Sep 27, 2017 at 02:10:38 pm     #  

Isn't there a restraining order against him that prohibits him from attending meeting or other district events? An election does not automatically overrule that.

posted by not_me on Sep 27, 2017 at 05:05:05 pm     #   1 person liked this

TrilbyGuy posted at 03:10:38 PM on Sep 27, 2017:

Hickey has quite the fan club in the district. They think some rouge lady with multiple Facebook accounts brought him down. He brought himself down. He just doesn't know when to quit. He will likely get elected. If he still acts like an entitled jackass, it won't be long before he shoots himself in the foot again and will have to step down from the board.

And fans out of the district as well. There is a certain social media presence that is a big fan and has been pushing his book on this whole fiasco.

posted by Spaceace on Sep 27, 2017 at 05:16:44 pm     #  

He was forced to resign from his superintendent job due to questionable behavior.

Then he got banned from school property for "disturbing, disruptive, embarrassing, and inappropriate" behavior.

And this spring, he got slapped with a restraining order or at least commanded by a judge not to have contact with someone.

He must be proud of those achievements, since he's running for a school board seat.

Banned from school district property. Now that's an accomplishment, especially for the school district's superintendent. I assume that's an uncommon circumstance in the United States.

If he is still banned from school district property, and if he gets elected to the school board, then he'll have to "attend" meetings via video/audio.


Excerpts from a May 13, 2017 Toledo Blade editorial

Former Superintendent Patrick Hickey should move on from the Washington Local School District and let the district move on from him.

He was accused of harassing a female employee of the district and her husband after an affair with the woman ended.

The terms of Mr. Hickey’s separation agreement from the district required him to stay off school grounds except to attend his children’s school events, but he couldn’t even manage to follow those rules, resulting in the board banning him from district property after he allegedly acted abusively at a high school basketball game.

Local politics is not an appropriate forum for personal grudges.

School districts need board members who show that they respect rules and the bounds of civility, as well as fellow human beings.

Mr. Hickey is clearly not a person with the temperament for public office, and even less so this office in this community.

The best thing Mr. Hickey could do to help the district and the schoolchildren he professes to love would be to drop his bid for school board.

posted by jr on Sep 27, 2017 at 05:19:08 pm     #   8 people liked this

He and Jeremy Baumhower are puttting on anti-bullying seminars around the city. Baumhower is the host. Hickey is a panelist, joined by councilwoman Lindsay Webb.

The host of the anti-bullying forum is a guy convicted of domestic violence.

A panelist is a former school official who bullied and harassed a school employee until he got fired.

It's a beautiful world we live in...

posted by MemyselfandI on Sep 27, 2017 at 06:04:27 pm     #   6 people liked this

This is some crazy s**t.
It's like reading a script for a Twilight Zone episode.

posted by foodie88 on Sep 27, 2017 at 07:53:15 pm     #   4 people liked this

resulting in the board banning him from district property after he allegedly acted abusively at a high school basketball game

That game happened to be the only Whitmer basketball game I've ever attended (so far), and I saw the incident happen.

I didn't even realize it was Hickey at first - I was aware of the news stories about him, but didn't recognize him in person.

I just assumed he was some random dude being a jackass at a HS basketball game, until someone else pointed out it was Hickey.

posted by mom2 on Sep 27, 2017 at 09:22:40 pm     #  

There is an online book about Hickey and the events leading up to his dismissal. Makes for interesting reading.

posted by Dappling2 on Sep 27, 2017 at 09:42:36 pm     #  

Dappling2 posted at 10:42:36 PM on Sep 27, 2017:

There is an online book about Hickey and the events leading up to his dismissal. Makes for interesting reading.

Link?

posted by nits on Sep 27, 2017 at 10:39:51 pm     #  

nits posted at 11:39:51 PM on Sep 27, 2017:
Dappling2 posted at 10:42:36 PM on Sep 27, 2017:

There is an online book about Hickey and the events leading up to his dismissal. Makes for interesting reading.

Link?

Personally, as a WLS parent, I wouldn't give that guy a penny to read his account of things. It's already out there. If you insist https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/socked/id1270908047?mt=11

posted by TrilbyGuy on Sep 27, 2017 at 11:59:35 pm     #  

*Not an endorsement* WLS parents, teachers and outside agitators can't even get it together.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1369713143127478&id=321346887964114

posted by TrilbyGuy on Sep 28, 2017 at 12:05:46 am     #  

I'll be honest, part of me wants him to win. That's also the part of me that wants to consume Costco sized portions of pork rinds and PBR while binge watching Jerry Springer.

posted by JoeyGee on Sep 28, 2017 at 07:18:41 am     #   5 people liked this

How many openings are there on the WLS BOE? How many are running for those spots? And of those, how many are Hickey and others in his "camp"?

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Sep 28, 2017 at 08:20:16 am     #  

TrilbyGuy posted at 01:05:46 AM on Sep 28, 2017:

Not an endorsement WLS parents, teachers and outside agitators can't even get it together.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1369713143127478&id=321346887964114

That post starts with:

Please help us to dispel rumors and prevent the spread of false information. When you hear something, please verify if it is true before you repeat it.

That's an exhaustive request.

It's a much more efficient use of personal time to read only a headline or a single sentence, assume that the unbelievable claim is true, and then immediately share it with others. The entire process gets completed in a few seconds without stressing the brain.

Exhibit A: The area's panic run on bottled water this week.

posted by jr on Sep 28, 2017 at 08:32:00 am     #   3 people liked this

I wouldn't give an adult a hickey, much less a kid.

posted by Ace_Face on Sep 28, 2017 at 11:07:09 am     #   5 people liked this

The Blade fired a warning shot when they did the editorial a while back and Hickey ignored it. Then they fired a "shot across the bow" when they reviewed the candidates recently and Hickey of course denies everything. Well now this shot is broadside and we will see how he tries to get out of this one. http://www.toledoblade.com/Education/2017/10/13/Washington-Local-Schools-considered-firing-former-superintendent-in-2015.html
If I had that many skeletons in the closet, the last thing I would do is run for public office.

posted by OldTimer on Oct 16, 2017 at 10:22:04 pm     #  

As others have said also, I would be surprised if Hickey doesn't win a seat.

The book on this saga has been free lately and his supporters continue to call out his opprnents.

posted by Spaceace on Oct 17, 2017 at 06:52:55 am     #  

Repeating

"this is all really really really weird" - upso - #

posted by jr on Oct 17, 2017 at 07:33:45 am     #   4 people liked this

I made the mistake of going to Baumhower's Facebook page this morning. you talk about weird x 3.

posted by Molsonator on Oct 17, 2017 at 07:50:11 am     #   1 person liked this

OldTimer posted at 11:22:04 PM on Oct 16, 2017:

The Blade fired a warning shot when they did the editorial a while back and Hickey ignored it. Then they fired a "shot across the bow" when they reviewed the candidates recently and Hickey of course denies everything. Well now this shot is broadside and we will see how he tries to get out of this one. http://www.toledoblade.com/Education/2017/10/13/Washington-Local-Schools-considered-firing-former-superintendent-in-2015.html
If I had that many skeletons in the closet, the last thing I would do is run for public office.

From the Blade article: “There were rumors that I had inappropriate relations with students,” he said. “That was investigated by Michigan State Police in 1990 and unsubstantiated.”

Funny how he didn't mention that the Michigan State Police investigated again a few years ago and did find enough proof to send over to the prosecutor's office.

(I personally asked the MSP officer who conducted the investigation after I saw his name pop up on the leaked documents. The ones that were put up on that crazy anonymous website that was discussed here on TT awhile back. I didn't know if the documents were faked or not, so since I knew the officer I asked him directly. )

posted by mom2 on Oct 17, 2017 at 09:07:32 am     #   2 people liked this

He does appear to have an uncanny knack for jumping out of situations right before his actions meet consequences.

posted by JoeyGee on Oct 17, 2017 at 09:43:53 am     #  

Can someone help me make sense of the WLS cast of characters before the election? My web research keeps sending me around in circles, into some unsavory places :) I would like to know who wants to help Hickey get back on the board. Thanks.

Incumbents:
Kiser
Carmean (opposed to Hickey, obviously)

Challengers:
Hickey
Perry (Carmean ally?)
McDonald
Hughes (anti-Carmean in 2015)
Ilstrup
Garcia (Hickey ally?)
Bannister

Thanks. I sure hope my vote will count for something in this mess.

posted by viola on Oct 17, 2017 at 10:35:58 am     #  

There is a candidate forum tonight at Calvary Church on Alexis. https://www.facebook.com/groups/427887124072809/permalink/697743617087157/

posted by TrilbyGuy on Oct 17, 2017 at 11:21:10 am     #  

There were Hickey - Hughes - Garcia shirts made up and worn at earlier events. I would think those 2 hitched their wagon to the wrong horse. Thomas Ilstrup a lawyer and former board member is our #1 pick We like Bannister and not sure on our third pick, however we will be at tonight's meeting to nail it down.

posted by OldTimer on Oct 17, 2017 at 11:53:35 am     #   1 person liked this

Mmm.

  • "I would like to know who wants to help Hickey get back on the board."
  • "I made the mistake of going to Baumhower's Facebook page this morning. you talk about weird x 3."

Excerpts from Sylvania Municipal Court info and docket entries.

http://courtsvr.sylvaniacourt.com/cgi-bin/mcaseno.cgi?pre=CRB&num=1502239&sub=&type=CR

http://courtsvr.sylvaniacourt.com/cgi-bin/mdocket.cgi?pre=CRB&num=1502239&sub=&type=CR

Case Number: CRB 1502239
Defendant(s): Baumhower, Jeremy J

11/04/2015

  • CASE WAS FILED WITH COURT
  • WARRANT WAS ISSUED FOR DEFENDANT FOR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE

Violation Information
Degree: 1st Degree Misdemeanor

11/05/2015

  • DEFENDANT RELEASED SUPERVISED OR BOND

07/25/2016

  • PER JUDGE: "FINDING OF GUILTY, SEE OPINION"

10/21/2016

  • CRIMINAL COSTS $ 98.00
  • FINE AMOUNT $ 400.00
  • PROBATION FEE50.00
  • COMMUNITY SERVICE FEE $15.00
  • PAYMENT - RECEIPT NO. 1617121 IN THE AMOUNT OF $ 15.00
  • PAYMENT - RECEIPT NO. 1617122 IN THE AMOUNT OF $ 605.75
  • IN LIEU OF 3 DAYS IN JAIL DEFENDANT IS TO DO 10 DAYS EMU
  • DEF. PLED GUILTY, FOUND G, FINE 400.00, SUSP .00
  • COSTS 155.75, SUSP .00
  • JAIL 93, SUSP 90, CREDIT
  • SPECIAL CONDITIONS:
  • DAYS SUSP ON CONDS 1) NO CRIMINAL OFFENSE NEXT 5 YEARS 2) COMPS PSYCHOLOGICAL COUNSELING 3) COMPS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE COUNSELING 4) COMPLS 80 HOURS COMMUNITY SERVICE 5) NO CONTACT WITH VICTIM DURING 5 YEAR PROBATION PERIOD


But he feels qualified to tell others not to be assholes.


And again about Hickey:

  • He was forced to resign from his superintendent job due to questionable behavior.
  • Then he got banned from school property for "disturbing, disruptive, embarrassing, and inappropriate" behavior.
  • And this spring, he got commanded by a judge not to have contact with someone.


Yet ...

[Hickey] and Jeremy Baumhower are puttting on anti-bullying seminars around the city. Baumhower is the host. Hickey is a panelist, joined by [Toledo city] councilwoman Lindsay Webb.

The host of the anti-bullying forum is a guy convicted of domestic violence.

A panelist is a former school official who bullied and harassed a school employee until he got fired.


Did Hickey and his sidekick Baumhower claim to be victims of bullying, or did they speak about their experiences of bullying others?

And why is Lindsey Webb associating with them? Does she support them in some way? If so, then I question the character of those who associate with Lindsey Webb.

In my opinion, a person found guilty of domestic violence may not deserve forgiveness nor a reputation do-over, at least not this soon after the incident. The person only deserves scorn for publicly engaging in an alternative reality tour this soon after the incident.

Webb's involvement, if any, with these two needs examined. Is her judgement impaired? It is if she supports Hickey.

Of course, if impaired judgement was a legitimate concern, then we might not have anyone on Toledo city council.

Ain't enough popcorn in the world to compliment this freak show. Bizarre and disturbing shit like this can occur only in two places: Florida and Ohio.

Future headline: "D-bag banned from school property elected to school board."

Congrats, Toledo for being the epicenter of this wackomania.

Or as MemyselfandI said above:

"It's a beautiful world we live in..."

Indeedily doodily. That's why I don't read fiction anymore. The real world is interesting enough.

posted by jr on Oct 17, 2017 at 12:04:56 pm     #   5 people liked this

My favorite part of the story:

The document received by The Blade last week stated that Mr. Hickey received videos from a teacher that included nudity.

“You were a party to the misconduct by requesting and/or encouraging that videos be sent by the teacher, or you failed to take action to initiate discipline, corrective directives to the teacher for her misconduct, or any investigation of the misconduct, or both,” the document stated.

Mr. Hickey denies that he engaged in behavior that was “too personal” or “inappropriate” with teachers. He did admit that a Washington Local teacher sent him videos involving nudity, but denied he solicited any inappropriate communication from the teacher.

“There was a teacher who sent me inappropriate videos,” he told The Blade on Thursday. “I think that’s the teacher’s problem.”

I'm not in WLS and don't really have a dog in the fight. When the whole movement to unseat Hickey was taking place, my informal conversations with people in the district is that they loved him and wanted him to stay. However, I don't know how you can stick up with a guy after the kind of revelations above. It seems to me they should be pissed at Hickey for f-ing up all the progress he made with stupid mistakes like this.

posted by Ace_Face on Oct 17, 2017 at 01:07:47 pm     #   4 people liked this

TrilbyGuy posted at 12:21:10 PM on Oct 17, 2017:

There is a candidate forum tonight at Calvary Church on Alexis. https://www.facebook.com/groups/427887124072809/permalink/697743617087157/

Web de-evolution.

posted by jr on Oct 17, 2017 at 05:16:29 pm     #  

I'm going with Ilstrup, Bannister and Carmean. That Dually Restaurant on Alexis has a big Hickey sign in front of it. All I know is that I will never set foot in that place if they support that tool.

posted by ThePhysician on Oct 17, 2017 at 10:11:44 pm     #  

All I know is that I will never set foot in that place if

Let's be honest, you have never been there and you never will. This is like me boycotting that grilled cheese restaurant.

posted by justread on Oct 18, 2017 at 04:23:15 am     #  

I've been there quite a few times. I would have gone more but the hours were so unpredictable.

posted by ThePhysician on Oct 18, 2017 at 11:18:41 am     #  

As UPSO said, this is all really really really WEIRD! There has got to be something else to it. If it were an episode of Dateline or a Mystery Channel movie-which it pretty much is at this point-the glue binding all of the players together would be substance abuse, a swingers club or both.

posted by SavageFred on Oct 18, 2017 at 11:41:16 am     #  

Anyone go to that forum last night? Did any candidate smack any others with a folding chair? Anyone get their head smashed into a turnbuckle? Figure four leg lock?

posted by JoeyGee on Oct 18, 2017 at 11:50:30 am     #   1 person liked this

Watched the live stream (sorry the link didn't work) of it. Hickey tried to get off track and bring up some bs but the moderator, Shaun Hegarty, was not having it and got him back on track.

posted by TrilbyGuy on Oct 18, 2017 at 12:00:52 pm     #  

TrilbyGuy posted at 01:00:52 PM on Oct 18, 2017:

Watched the live stream (sorry the link didn't work) of it. Hickey tried to get off track and bring up some bs but the moderator, Shaun Hegarty, was not having it and got him back on track.

Blade story mentioned that too.

Mr. Hickey himself alluded to allegations of sexual misconduct when he accused another candidate of posting a photo on social media of Mr. Hickey with film producer Harvey Weinstein and comedian Bill Cosby, both of whom are accused of sexually assaulting and harassing women.

"I do want to point out that two days ago somebody up here put a picture of Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, and a picture of myself on social media," Mr. Hickey said as he was asked by moderator Shaun Hegarty of WTVG-TV, Channel 13, to stay on topic.

I doubt that following the rules is a priority of Hickey.

This is hilarious.

In Mr. Hickey’s closing statements, he asked all candidates to “... sign an agreement that there will be only positive campaigning between now and November 7.”

It has been a long time since I have seen the TV show Criminal Minds, but in my professional amateur psychobabble opinion, that dude is loony.

More from the Blade story:

Candidates instead took turns answering general questions about school funding, bullying, special education, graduation rates, and challenges facing the district, though Mr. Hickey threw a few personal jabs at his opponents.

I see. The positive campaigning started AFTER last night's forum.


"There has got to be something else to it."

Really? More than this summary of Hickey from the Oct 17, 2017 Blade story?

  • resigned as superintendent from the district in 2015 after investigations into his conduct
  • is banned from school property
  • failure to disclose his departure from a previous school district was because of allegations of inappropriate relationships with students
  • an inappropriate “emotional and/or sexual relationship with one or more subordinate teachers of the district”
  • misuse of district funds

Hickey's response:

Mr. Hickey last week denied many of the document’s assertions and contended it was being used as a “political ploy” to prevent him from winning a seat on the board.

posted by jr on Oct 18, 2017 at 12:36:14 pm     #   3 people liked this

A friend of mine brought up several points:

1. Why did the WLS Board buy him out? If half of that was true, it seems a clear cut case to fire him.

2. I was under the impression that things of that nature had to be reported to the Ohio Department of Education.

https://coreprodint.ode.state.oh.us/core2.3/ode.core.EducatorProfile.UI/DisciplinaryInfoView.aspx

What does that Baumhower guy exactly do for a living? How did he get to be friends with Hickey?

posted by Dappling2 on Oct 18, 2017 at 08:06:35 pm     #  

I would assume the bought him out in an attempt to keep this under wraps, which they didn't succeed in doing.

posted by upso on Oct 18, 2017 at 08:20:10 pm     #   3 people liked this

Dappling2 posted at 09:06:35 PM on Oct 18, 2017:

A friend of mine brought up several points:

1. Why did the WLS Board buy him out? If half of that was true, it seems a clear cut case to fire him.

2. I was under the impression that things of that nature had to be reported to the Ohio Department of Education.

https://coreprodint.ode.state.oh.us/core2.3/ode.core.EducatorProfile.UI/DisciplinaryInfoView.aspx

What does that Baumhower guy exactly do for a living? How did he get to be friends with Hickey?

From my understanding Hickey resigned the day before the board was going to fire him. There is a pdf on the Blades website (sorry no link), containing 37 counts of misconduct and grounds for termination that the board was going to use to justify his termination. I think he was tipped off by someone, possibly one of the board members, maybe the one he shared a summer cottage with?
Not sure.
Why is Webb in the thick of things? Why would she push for general tire to build in Suder when her constituents didn't want it.
There are so many red flags with Hickey its not even funny.
Whenever Hickey took time off away from school, he never used any of his sick days. He got paid for them all when he resigned.
Hickey says he "loves kids". This is what got him in trouble in the first place starting with Addison.
He needs to go away.

posted by reggie on Oct 19, 2017 at 04:48:42 am     #   1 person liked this

justread posted at 05:23:15 AM on Oct 18, 2017:

All I know is that I will never set foot in that place if

Let's be honest, you have never been there and you never will. This is like me boycotting that grilled cheese restaurant.

LOL, I know just what you mean Justread. Its like when the champion
Golden State Warriors turned down an invitation to go to the white house then a few days later the guy there "un invites" them. Yeah, ok.

posted by reggie on Oct 19, 2017 at 04:52:49 am     #  

No, it isn't like that at all.

posted by justread on Oct 19, 2017 at 05:21:40 am     #   1 person liked this

Dappling2 posted at 09:06:35 PM on Oct 18, 2017:

A friend of mine brought up several points:

1. Why did the WLS Board buy him out? If half of that was true, it seems a clear cut case to fire him.

2. I was under the impression that things of that nature had to be reported to the Ohio Department of Education.

https://coreprodint.ode.state.oh.us/core2.3/ode.core.EducatorProfile.UI/DisciplinaryInfoView.aspx

What does that Baumhower guy exactly do for a living? How did he get to be friends with Hickey?

A complaint was sent to ODE's Office of Professional Conduct in January, 2016 by then board president David Hunter regarding Mr. Hickey.

We didn't have enough space to include everything we had in our latest article, but I wish we had included that detail. ODE refused to confirm or deny it even received the complaint, because of Ohio Administrative Code, so it's impossible to tell what became of the complaint.

posted by Nolan_Rosenkrans on Oct 19, 2017 at 09:46:14 am     #  

Why did the WLS Board buy him out? If half of that was true, it seems a clear cut case to fire him.

He resigned. Who gets a payout like that when they resign?

posted by Anniecski on Oct 19, 2017 at 02:44:22 pm     #  

The whole thing is a clown show and I can't wait for the election to be over.

posted by TrilbyGuy on Oct 19, 2017 at 09:51:46 pm     #  

TrilbyGuy posted at 10:51:46 PM on Oct 19, 2017:

The whole thing is a clown show and I can't wait for the election to be over.

This was in my facebook page today as a flashback from last year.

posted by justread on Oct 20, 2017 at 05:28:18 am     #  

How could any normal person put themselves and family thru this? Wait, never mind I answered my own question.
http://www.toledoblade.com/local/2017/11/03/Woman-admits-to-affair-with-Washington-Local-board-candidate-Patrick-Hickey-as-a-teenager.html

posted by OldTimer on Nov 04, 2017 at 11:15:06 am     #   1 person liked this

Let me be the devils's advocate....everything about Hickey was alleged and never proven in a court of law.

Also Lyndsey Webb has given him her support and she is a respected and longtime Toledo politician.

Didn't Baumhower's book also at least partially exonerate Hickey as he argued that Carmean, etc. had a personal vendetta?

Just asking...

posted by Dappling2 on Nov 04, 2017 at 02:44:21 pm     #  

One does not need the "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard in an election. That is absurd.

One can make a rational decision on who is to have power over those who have power over their children and their education based on a preponderance of the evidence which is the standard in a civil trial.

Hickey was accused by a parent of raping a 14 year old girl in Addison. According to a teacher who emailed Fred LeFebvre, he was escorted from the building just a few days later, never to return.

He was accused of having an affair with a Washington Local teacher whilst he served as superintendent. He was also accused of receiving nude videos and/or photos from said teacher. Even if he did not solicit them, he did not immediately report the matter to district counsel.

He was accused of harassing said teacher, even approaching her in her classroom.

After he was given a last chance agreement, he continued to harass said teacher, causing the board to seek termination and/or resignation in lieu of termination.

A school board member sought a protective order against Hickey for harassment. The legal standard in Ohio for granting protection orders calls for two threatening incidents. The magistrate ruled there was only one threatening incident. While that might not meet the legal standard, a candidate threatening a current board member and meeting the legal definition of a threat is scary.

Patrick Hickey solicited at least two minor girls within the WLS school system for friendship on social media. While this might not be illegal conduct by itself, it certainly raises issues of propriety and decorum and suspicion -- based on prior accusations -- of ulterior motives.

All that does not prove a single crime. It does prove that this is a man lacking judgment, maturity, and character. It raises suspicion that perhaps he is a serial predator. Given all that, how can a reasonable person vote for him.

posted by MemyselfandI on Nov 04, 2017 at 03:09:06 pm     #   6 people liked this

Even though he will never face legal consequences, I absolutely believe that Hickey had an inappropriate relationship with at least one female student from Addison HS.

I even know the woman's name. (Grew up not far from there & know some of her classmates.)

I can understand why she would want to just let the incidents go & not cooperate with prosecutors or the media now - she's an adult with a family now and has moved on with her life. I'd imagine it's uncomfortable for her every time it's brought up again in the media.

It's unfortunate that it wasn't dealt with appropriately at the time it happened, instead of just being swept under the rug.

However, it was a different world then. My school also had a teacher who was allowed to resign and leave town quietly after an inappropriate relationship with a student. This was not far from Addison and during the same time frame - it's how those types of allegations tended to be dealt with at the time.

posted by mom2 on Nov 04, 2017 at 03:20:03 pm     #   5 people liked this

Anyone but Hickey on Tuesday!

posted by ThePhysician on Nov 04, 2017 at 03:26:59 pm     #   1 person liked this

However, it was a different world then. My school also had a teacher who was allowed to resign and leave town quietly after an inappropriate relationship with a student. This was not far from Addison and during the same time frame - it's how those types of allegations tended to be dealt with at the time.

I grew up in rural Lenawee County (not Addison, but southern Lenawee County), and while I don't like making it sound like I'm excusing Hickey's behavior, I agree that it was a different world then. My high school biology teacher married one of my classmates weeks after we graduated in 1987. And she wasn't the only one he hit on and flirted with during our high school years. (They are still married AFAIK).

posted by not_me on Nov 04, 2017 at 05:36:26 pm     #  

However, it was a different world then. My school also had a teacher who was allowed to resign and leave town quietly after an inappropriate relationship with a student. This was not far from Addison and during the same time frame - it's how those types of allegations tended to be dealt with at the time.

I grew up in rural Lenawee County (not Addison, but southern Lenawee County), and while I don't like making it sound like I'm excusing Hickey's behavior, I agree that it was a different world then. My high school biology teacher married one of my classmates weeks after we graduated in 1987. And she wasn't the only one he hit on and flirted with during our high school years. (He's still at the school, but not married to the classmate anymore).

posted by not_me on Nov 04, 2017 at 05:41:34 pm     #  

Hickey, Webb, and woman-beating Baumhower should all be tarred and feathered.

posted by 6th_Floor on Nov 04, 2017 at 06:25:34 pm     #   5 people liked this

He still has defenders and supporters. I guess I shouldn't be surprised when there are plenty of people believing the world is flat and people that pay to see Nickleback.

posted by JoeyGee on Nov 04, 2017 at 08:05:47 pm     #   3 people liked this

Just a reminder, Trump is president.

posted by upso on Nov 04, 2017 at 08:37:42 pm     #   7 people liked this

I’d like to say kudos to Nolan for commenting on Baumhower’s Facebook post about the Blade article. I can’t imagine how infuriating it is to have someone publicly lie about your work when the facts are right there in front of them.

posted by dell_diva on Nov 04, 2017 at 08:55:22 pm     #   8 people liked this

JoeyGee posted at 08:05:47 PM on Nov 04, 2017:

He still has defenders and supporters. I guess I shouldn't be surprised when there are plenty of people believing the world is flat and people that pay to see Nickleback.

The flat thing can be explained more easily than the Nickleback thing.

posted by justread on Nov 05, 2017 at 04:39:53 am     #   1 person liked this

upso posted at 08:37:42 PM on Nov 04, 2017:

Just a reminder, Trump is president.

How deep does this analogy go? Has another candidate already been coronated by the establishment that is as deeply reviled as he?
If so, maybe he has a chance.

posted by justread on Nov 05, 2017 at 04:44:23 am     #  

dell_diva posted at 08:55:22 PM on Nov 04, 2017:

I’d like to say kudos to Nolan for commenting on Baumhower’s Facebook post about the Blade article. I can’t imagine how infuriating it is to have someone publicly lie about your work when the facts are right there in front of them.

I second the kudos to Nolan for his posts on Baumhowers page. People are making accusations on the reporting and what is going on WLS that obviously haven't read the article. Thankfully Nolan sets them straight.

I'm somewhat surprised on Baumhower's doubling down in support of Hickey. He is now using uncited stats that claim 75 percent of sexual allegations against teachers are unfounded.

posted by Spaceace on Nov 05, 2017 at 02:40:22 pm     #   4 people liked this

not_me posted at 05:41:34 PM on Nov 04, 2017:

However, it was a different world then. My school also had a teacher who was allowed to resign and leave town quietly after an inappropriate relationship with a student. This was not far from Addison and during the same time frame - it's how those types of allegations tended to be dealt with at the time.

I grew up in rural Lenawee County (not Addison, but southern Lenawee County), and while I don't like making it sound like I'm excusing Hickey's behavior, I agree that it was a different world then. My high school biology teacher married one of my classmates weeks after we graduated in 1987. And she wasn't the only one he hit on and flirted with during our high school years. (He's still at the school, but not married to the classmate anymore).

Michigan has listed the age of 16 as the age of consent since at least 1920. A teacher having a sexual relationship in the 1980s with a 14-year-old child would have been guilty of statutory rape, despite the so-called "different world."

I was a student in high school in the 1980s (a parochial school) and at least two of these incidents occurred while I attended. In each case this was handled "quietly" (i.e., teacher fired, parents likely pressured to keep quiet, probably some settlement dollars paid out) but the entire school knew about what was going on pretty quickly. However, both students were in the 17-18 year age range, and both of the cases I know were violations of school policy as opposed to statutory rape.

I want to shift gears a moment, though, and recount an even more serious case with which I had greater personal knowledge.

Interestingly, there was also a priest at our school who was later named by the Archdiocese of Detroit as a pedophile. The school dealt more harshly with lay teachers having sex with students than this priest, who victimized many children. He taught at my alma mater during the prime years he was active as a pedophile.

And yes: even as naive teenaged students we knew there was something wrong with Father Peter J. VanderLinden. He sought out disaffected, struggling young males with identity issues or low self-esteem and befriended them.

Then he raped them.

Of course, we did not know the exact details, but Fr. VanderLinden used to organize camping trips for freshmen and sophomores boys on his radar. I am sure he had formed some sort of club to give these trips official status, but I am too lazy to find and look through the yearbook.

I recall being creeped out in English class when he was lecturing or during reading time. He liked to put his hand on your shoulder or leg if you were a male; probably students like me who showed obvious unease (twisting away, shifting in the seat) were identified as students unlikely to be potential "recruits" to his camping trips.

I have no doubt that one day - maybe at a reunion, maybe after someone sees this hyperlinked post - a victim or two will share their stories with me. I am glad that - even though I was kind of disaffected and somewhat angry as a teen for reasons unrelated to this post - I had a strong sense of who I was and that at some level I knew that I did not have to let a creepy old man cop a feel.

Or anything worse.

I recall jerking away a few times in class, and clearly (in retrospect) he just moved on, though he could be kind of a jackass to students who were openly hostile toward these grooming stages.

< returning to the Hickey story >

So: when I read about the accusations in the Hickey case, I do not dismiss them as being from a "different world," except in the sense that prior to the 2000s, these things got swept under the rug too frequently. Most folks at the time knew these were predatory SOBs, and this was especially the case with the victims (I am setting aside the issue of victim-blaming, which is a very real phenomenon but more tangential to the issue of teacher misconduct).

I have no idea if Patrick Hickey is guilty of the sexual misconduct that he has been accused of perpetrating in Addison. I have had very limited interactions with him as a WLS parent, and I really had no opinion about him until the last year. However, between the Addison case and the better-documented unprofessional activities in the wake of his adultery scandal, I have many good reasons not to vote for Hickey on Tuesday.

And regarding the "75 percent of reports of teachers committing sexual misconduct are falsely filed" theory, I would hazard a guess that this is widely under-reported. However, this is probably starting to change now that more attention is being paid to the problem.

posted by historymike on Nov 05, 2017 at 03:52:57 pm     #   5 people liked this

I'm fascinated-in a purely clinical sense-by this guy's behavior. He takes more selfies than 14-year old girl. Even when he posts a note ostensibly commemorating the achievement of others, he puts his mug front and center, frequently obscuring the actual subject. Does he have a full time photographer tasked with getting images of him, uh, "doing stuff?"

He claims to have a good business up and running, so why does he want to subject his family to the public scrutiny by running for a basically volunteer position?

What power does he have over Lindsay Webb? Does he have dirt on her? Does she realize that her credibility is suspect (at least by sane individuals) by backing with him?

Does anyone think substance abuse might be involved? He does display the blind hubris that is a trademark of cocaine, or to a lesser extant, meth-amphetamine use.

Again, not in WLS nor have I ever had personal or professional contact with any of the players, but the story is captivating, at least in a made-for-TV-movie kind of way. Sorry for basically blurting out my thoughts on the page, but the whole thing is just so peculiar.

posted by SavageFred on Nov 06, 2017 at 11:49:28 am     #   1 person liked this

SavageFred posted at 11:49:28 AM on Nov 06, 2017:

I'm fascinated-in a purely clinical sense-by this guy's behavior. He takes more selfies than 14-year old girl. Even when he posts a note ostensibly commemorating the achievement of others, he puts his mug front and center, frequently obscuring the actual subject. Does he have a full time photographer tasked with getting images of him, uh, "doing stuff?"

He claims to have a good business up and running, so why does he want to subject his family to the public scrutiny by running for a basically volunteer position?

What power does he have over Lindsay Webb? Does he have dirt on her? Does she realize that her credibility is suspect (at least by sane individuals) by backing with him?

Does anyone think substance abuse might be involved? He does display the blind hubris that is a trademark of cocaine, or to a lesser extant, meth-amphetamine use.

Again, not in WLS nor have I ever had personal or professional contact with any of the players, but the story is captivating, at least in a made-for-TV-movie kind of way. Sorry for basically blurting out my thoughts on the page, but the whole thing is just so peculiar.

Are you talking about Hickey or Baumhauer? Both are ridiculously self absorbed malcontents that prey on sycophants to feed their bloated egos.

I assume you are talking about Hickey. The next time he worries about "subjecting his family" to anything will be the first time he thinks about anything other than himself and with anything other than his...other himself.

posted by JoeyGee on Nov 06, 2017 at 05:14:56 pm     #   5 people liked this