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Do you think the Republicans would lay off of Obama if his 17 year-old daughter had gotten pregnant out of wedlock?

It's all the pot calling the kettle black in a slow news season.

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What If Bristol Palin Were Black?
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Posted September 2, 2008 | 02:21 AM (EST)
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Christian-right leaders and conservative stalwarts have praised the decision of Bristol Palin, the daughter of Governor Sarah Palin, to carry her child to term. She is 17 and conceived this child out of wedlock. Now imagine she wasn't the daughter of a prominent Republican politician but an average person. Now imagine she was black.

What do you think conservatives would have to say about her? "Typical, urban youth with no sense of responsibility raised with loose morals who plans to depend on the state to take care of her child." You know it. It's not within dispute. That's exactly what they would say.

Barack Obama has told everyone to lay off this because it is a personal, family matter. Yes, but it also has public policy ramifications. Governor Palin is for abstinence only education. Well, that obviously didn't work.

Has she learned her lesson? Will she now amend her policy position on this matter given her personal record of failure in implementing this ridiculous stance?

Notice I am not blaming Bristol. Quite the opposite. People like me are the ones that defend the Bristols of the world. It is conservatives like James Dobson, Rush Limbaugh and yes, Governor Palin who usually attack people who find themselves in Bristol's situation. They demand a dogmatic adherence to moral strictures and chastise and belittle women who have children out of wedlock. Especially if they are women of color.

Which brings us back to Obama. Do you think the Republicans would lay off of Obama if his 17 year-old daughter had gotten pregnant out of wedlock? You know the answer to that question. Everyone does.

"This is what the permissive liberal attitude gets you. If you allow your children to think everything is acceptable, they have no boundaries. They wind up getting themselves in trouble like this. It's a predictable result of the liberal lifestyle."

And that's before the subtle and not so subtle racial implications are brought into this. There is a constant double-standard of how black and white people and politicians are covered in this country. When a young black girl gets pregnant, she's looking to get money from welfare. When a young white woman gets pregnant, she made an unfortunate mistake and her family is being supportive in trying to help the make the best of it.

Cindy McCain was addicted to drugs and stole from her own charity to feed her addiction. Now what do you think the Republicans would have done if Michelle Obama had done that? How do you think the press would have covered it? You think they would have called it a simple mistake and moved on?

When presented with these examples, no matter who you are, you know in your heart that this double standard exists. All of this is not said to condemn Bristol Palin or Cindy McCain. This is to get you to think twice about your own assumptions about the next time you hear a story of a young African-American woman who got pregnant in the inner city or a minority who got addicted to drugs and committed a crime to feed that addiction.

There but for the grace of God go Bristol Palin and Cindy McCain.

created by charlatan on Sep 02, 2008 at 03:46:34 pm     Comments: 28

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Who cares what they would say. It's unimportant.

What is important?

McCain's hasty and reckless decision making style. That's reason we have this unknown rural Alaskan mayor running for the 2nd highest office in the land, one 72 year old heart beat from the top job. According to John McCain's book, he admits he makes decisions hastily and without full information which often leaves him to deal with a set of negative consequences, but that is his style and he is unapologetic for it. The guy is dangerous and not the person who should be leading this country in a particularly dangerous time.

During the Cuban missile crisis many of President Kennedy closest advisers were pushing to strike first on Russia triggering an all out nuclear war. Kennedy had the wisdom and judgment not to choose that path. What might McCain do in a situation like that?

posted by thetoledowire_com on Sep 02, 2008 at 04:39:56 pm     #



The republicans couldn't keep it in the news because they don't control the major media outlets. If they could, I don't think they would. At least I wouldn't. Compare the coverage this story has gotten to the press that John Edwards has gotten as a recent presidential candidate.

posted by HeyHey on Sep 02, 2008 at 04:54:09 pm     #



ToledoWire,
Please be intellectually honest with yourself and us (in other words so some class and integrity). If Palin is a mayor then Obama is a state senator. Show some consistency. Both were elected to their current respective positions in the last 2-3 years. McCain calls Barack Obama "Senator Obama." He doesn't call him "State Senator Obama." She has earned the right to be called "Governor Palin."

As more information has come out, McCain knew fully of Palin's daughter's pregnancy and her husband's DUI. He knew it has absolutely no bearing on her ability to lead or govern. He's taking the high road here by not unjustly passing judgement on her family members' mistakes.

posted by HeyHey on Sep 02, 2008 at 04:59:09 pm     #



Not only that-he hit the ball out of the park with his decision-and the democrats have nobody to replace Biden with to counter the move. Notice how all the democrats say he should've picked someone else if he wanted to win. Sounds like they have thrown in the towel.

posted by CharlieA-Z on Sep 02, 2008 at 06:02:49 pm     #



Hey Charl, You dropped one of those straws.

posted by SillyWabbit on Sep 02, 2008 at 06:37:19 pm     #



I know only one thing.....this story would have been totally dead in the media within 48 hours had it been Biden's Daughter. Move along, nothing to see here.

posted by Darkseid on Sep 02, 2008 at 08:12:06 pm     #



exactly what darkseid said. had this been a 17 year old black girl, pregnant out of wed lock who happened to be the daughter of the democrat VP canidate...

we probably never would have heard anything about it.

step one would be to take her to get an abortion. most of them consider abortion as a form of birth control anyway so whats stopping them?

if by chance the baby was too far along to abort, and the news would have surfaced, itr would have been quickly swept under the media's rug. fox would talk about it and the liberal minions would attack all thoes who even dare mention the issue as racist and hate mongering.

but as you see when the republican's vp's daughter goes and does something everyone at that age did...well it's chicken little time and it's all over the blogs and the news.

funny thing is BHO sits there and denounces this stuff whiel his media attack dogs keep shoving the story down americas throat.

nothing screams "i'm scared" lik ethe way the libs are reacting to Palin.

it makes me happy to see these socialist douchebags squirm.

it just makes me sick to see them sink so low.

posted by ST1DinOH on Sep 02, 2008 at 08:54:22 pm     #



had this been a 17 year old black girl, pregnant out of wed lock who happened to be the daughter of the democrat VP canidate...we probably never would have heard anything about it.

Oh...I don't know about that. If it came out that Biden had a 17 year old black daughter who was pregnant out of wedlock, I'm pretty sure that would make the news. ;)

posted by mom2 on Sep 02, 2008 at 09:02:10 pm     #



What a clueless wonder ST1DinOH is.

Makes me laugh all the way to 01.20.09.

You may want to rethink your racist views too. Just sayin'.

Sad. Hope you aren't in contact with too many people in your "line of work".

posted by Ryan on Sep 02, 2008 at 09:20:45 pm     #



what racist views? explain to me where i've said anything "racist" and what exactly is my "line of work"

posted by ST1DinOH on Sep 02, 2008 at 09:22:27 pm     #



oh i see what you did there...

by "them" i didn't mean black, i meant liberal dem's.

libs are the ones who use abortion as 1st and 2nd trimester "birth control". not black people.

if i were a racist i wouldn't make a statement like that. cause any self respecting racist knows about the conspiracy to take over america by out breading the white man.

lol.

as for mom2...

if biden had a black child, yeah that would make headlines conisdering he and his wife are both white as can be.

but if biden himself was black, and his 17 yr old daughter got pregnant, he would have it "taken care of" down at planned parenthood. if it were too far along he'd have nothing to worry about as i explained above.

but anyway back to this retard ryan...

now, please explain to me what my "line of work" is. this should be real good.

posted by ST1DinOH on Sep 02, 2008 at 09:32:22 pm     #



Kinda sad when a horse dies... but at least it can't feel the beating it gets afterward.

posted by Deho on Sep 02, 2008 at 10:19:21 pm     #



WTF?!?

posted by Darkseid on Sep 03, 2008 at 09:16:47 am     #



i think he means the insane dog pile of the media against palin is flat out incomprehensible and disgusting.

posted by ST1DinOH on Sep 03, 2008 at 09:18:11 am     #



No... SHE means that the poor horse is being beat on both sides. This argument will go nowhere. The blinders are up and many people see this situation in black or white and will never agree. I suppose if everyone feels the need to argue for arguments sake, this is a good thing. shrug

Neither side is "right"... neither party is perfect... the whole situation is disgusting. I miss the days of name calling on the playground... calling someone a doodoo head made so much more sense.

posted by Deho on Sep 03, 2008 at 10:36:07 am     #



Alaska Party Official Says Palin Was Not a Member (NYTIMES ADMITS AIP PALIN STORY FALSE)
The New York Times ^ | September 2, 2008 | staff

The chairwoman of an Alaskan political party that advocates a vote on the state’s succession from the union said Tuesday that she had been mistaken when she said Gov. Sarah Palin was a member of the group.

A front-page story in The New York Times on Tuesday and articles in other news media reported that Ms. Palin was a member of the Alaska Independence Party for two years in the 1990’s.

The information in the Times article was based on a statement issued Monday night by Lynette Clark, the party’s chairwoman, who said that Ms. Palin joined the party in 1994 and in 1996 changed her registration to Republican.

posted by Darkseid on Sep 03, 2008 at 10:38:56 am     #



Check out this AIP meeting. They say she WAS a member. Right around the 6:15 mark:

posted by pink_slip on Sep 03, 2008 at 11:51:10 am     #



You backtrack here, and make it look like I put words in your mouth.

"oh i see what you did there...
by "them" i didn't mean black, i meant liberal dem's."

And then in the same post you cannot contain your racism and make the slur again.

"but if biden himself was black, and his 17 yr old daughter got pregnant, he would have it "taken care of" down at planned parenthood. if it were too far along he'd have nothing to worry about as i explained above."

You are pathetic, and I only mentioned your line of work because it must be a real joy to deal with you in person on a daily basis. Now run along, I think your sheets are ready for your meeting tonight.

posted by Ryan on Sep 03, 2008 at 11:54:16 am     #



you fucking douche bag

you libs are just so vigilant for republican racism you wind up looking like complete jackoffs. it's like watching Scientologists mob someone asking "what are your crimes"

lol

again, i very clearly said LIBERAL DEMOCRATS.

also you're the huge fag that put the words "your job" in quotes as if to imply that there was something sinister or ulterior implication bumping narrow walls in that small little liberal head of yours.

i was merely inquiring as to what sort of communist insanity you'd fabricated in your little illusions of grandeur world.

when you say "your job" it's like me asking you about your "non-whore" mother.

see what i did there?

posted by ST1DinOH on Sep 03, 2008 at 12:36:18 pm     #



Yea, you just showed what a completely uneducated lunatic you are.

The Repubs should be relieved they have such a fantastic supporter like yourself.

You really should think about your posts beforehand. Your free flow style is very telling. Biden always had to be black in your posts, even after being called out. You are a racist, nothing worse than that than one that wont admit it.

posted by Ryan on Sep 03, 2008 at 12:48:39 pm     #



what the hell are you talking are you talking about now??? again, i specifically said liberal democrats. liberal democrats are the ones who consider abortion as a form of birth control, not black people. seriously man what sort of kool-aide are you drinking?

anyone who doesn't agree with your socialist views is racist?

you really are one sick bastard.

have you even read this entire thread? did you follow the conversation? it started when darkseid said "I know only one thing.....this story would have been totally dead in the media within 48 hours had it been Biden's Daughter. Move along, nothing to see here."

and i agreed with him.

go back, read, comprehend (without some sort of agenda) and pull your fucking head out of your ass. nothing i said was racist, everything you''ve said in your last few posts have boarderlined on insanity.

seriously learn to read and comprehend whats going on in a thread or SHUT THE FUCK UP.

posted by ST1DinOH on Sep 03, 2008 at 02:14:52 pm     #



Ryan plays the race card!

And that, my friends, is how they (LIBERALS) play the game (when you're losing, play that race card).

Did you understand my use of the word "they" Ryan? Or should I go on to explain?

posted by SillyWabbit on Sep 03, 2008 at 04:17:17 pm     #



LOL! Yep - I am a HUGE liberal!

posted by Ryan on Sep 03, 2008 at 05:02:47 pm     #



"also you're the huge fag that..."

There are no confusing pronouns here.

posted by Matt on Sep 03, 2008 at 05:34:52 pm     #



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posted by Darkseid on Sep 03, 2008 at 06:27:41 pm     #



yeah, other than the fact that everyone calls everyone a "fag" now. it's not meant as a slur on homosexuals, even though it clearly sounds that way. it's just become part of the lexicon. unfortunate as it is i do find myself calling people "fags" all the time out of habit. if you go to any gaming website/forum, everyone is either a noob, a fag, or some combination of the two (ie. "newfag").

yes it's rude and kinda fucked up, but it's reality. i don't particulary like the fact that being gay has become
"something kids do these days". imo...this is mainly due to over exposure of every single tv show or movie out there in the last 10 years being "all inclusive" and having gay characters... i guess the gays are just seeing the product of their own "movement" (no pun intended).

anyway

point is i didn't mean to offend. if you're a dude who does dudes...fine, just don't throw it in my face. it's kinda disgusting if you think about it...

posted by ST1DinOH on Sep 03, 2008 at 07:52:25 pm     #



^Sometimes you let people bury themselves.

posted by Ryan on Sep 03, 2008 at 10:03:23 pm     #



why, cause i find the oral consumption fecese to be a tad disturbing?

"you never go ATM"...

posted by ST1DinOH on Sep 03, 2008 at 10:22:14 pm     #