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We Need to Pull Out of Chicago!

http://cbs2chicago.com/local/chicago.summer.shootings.2.810166.html

Nearly 125 Shot Dead In Chicago Over Summer
Total Is About Double The Death Toll In Iraq

CHICAGO (CBS) An estimated 123 people were shot and killed over the summer.

That's nearly double the number of soldiers killed in Iraq over the same time period.

Information from wire service reports and the Chicago Police Major Incidents log indicated that 123 people were shot and killed throughout the city between the start of Memorial Day weekend on May 26, and the end of Labor Day on Sept. 1.

According to the Defense Department, 59 soldiers were killed in combat in Iraq. About the same number were killed in Afghanistan over that same period.

In the same time period, an estimated 245 people were shot and wounded in the city.

The South Side's Englewood District, which includes the Englewood and West Englewood neighborhoods on the city's South Side, fared the worst over the summer. A total of 14 people were shot dead there, and 48 were shot and wounded.

The next highest totals came in the Grand Crossing District, which includes the South Shore, Woodlawn, Park Manor and Grand Crossing neighborhoods on the South Side, 12 people were killed and 31 were injured.

Also hit severely by gun violence over the summer was the Ogden District which includes the Near Southwest Side's Lawndale and Little Village neighborhoods where 10 people were killed and six were injured. The South Chicago District on the Southeast Side saw nine people killed and 11 injured, almost all concentrated in the South Chicago and Avalon Park neighborhoods at the north end of the district. The West Side's Austin District saw also saw nine people killed and 12 injured, while the Far South Side's Calumet District including the Roseland, Fernwood and Pullman neighborhoods saw eight killed and 20 injured.

Adam Harrington, cbs2chicago.com

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Forget Chicago or Iraq! We need to pull out of our highways. 42,642 people were casualties in the War of Traffic in 2006. More than twice the number murdered (17,034) in 2006 and ten times the number killed in Iraq.

Our automobile addiction is not only destroying the environment, making us fat, wasting our time in traffic, costing us thousands of dollars a year, creating a dependency on foreign oil, but is also causing more preventable deaths than anything else.

Tell me again how you moved to the suburbs for your kid's safety?

posted by ifXthenWhyNot on Sep 04, 2008 at 04:01:13 pm     #

Well I'm SURE they weren't shot with handguns, after all, handguns are illegal in Chicago.

posted by JeepMaker on Sep 04, 2008 at 04:15:16 pm     #

How many people in Chicago? How many soldiers in Iraq? Let's not be disingenuous with our statistics.

Translate those numbers into percentage of the total population (of Americans - since the Iraq statistic is related only to military casualties) and then see how it compares. Not quite so rosey then. Besides, pulling out is important to more than just the number of casualties.

At some point we need to decide if we are there for them or us. If it's for them, then we need to let the Iraqis lead the decision as to when we leave. If it's for us, well, then our government has been full of crap for 6+ years.

posted by MoreThanRhetoric on Sep 04, 2008 at 06:42:15 pm     #

Chicago: 1 death per 24,000 people

Iraq: 1 death per 2,500 troops

Definitely safer in Chicago. And I imagine the jazz bars are better too.

posted by pink_slip on Sep 04, 2008 at 07:45:12 pm     #

Well when they start using roadside bomb in chicago the toll will go up.

posted by Linecrosser on Sep 04, 2008 at 08:18:42 pm     #

This thread is almost as stupid as it's original poster.

How people can STILL be defending this ridiculous 10 billion dollar a month war is beyond any sane comprehension.

But then again, consider the source.

posted by Ryan on Sep 04, 2008 at 08:36:58 pm     #

It's called a Drug War or the Prohibition of Certain Unpatentable Drugs. People get hurt.

posted by charlatan on Sep 04, 2008 at 09:18:34 pm     #

Chicago, like Toledo, has 90% of its murders concentrated in 2 or 3 clusters while other areas are virtually free from violence. For the people that live in those areas the death rate would be much closer to the Iraq death rate.

I remember reading a study at the beginning of the war (with casualty rates similar to now) that found the death rate among military aged men in inner city Detroit was much higher than the death rate of all military personnel in Iraq.

posted by HeyHey on Sep 04, 2008 at 09:41:08 pm     #

For the people that live in those areas the death rate would be much closer to the Iraq death rate.

Don't stop there. You could say "For people who live in houses where shootings are committed, the death rate is higher in Chicago".

Or how 'bout this---"For people that are actually shot, the death rates are higher in Chicago."

posted by pink_slip on Sep 04, 2008 at 09:54:01 pm     #

...this ridiculous 10 billion dollar a month war...

Speaking of being honest with the numbers and putting them into context, $10B per month is a drop in the bucket compared to the #1 activity that the US government is engaged in: social programs.

The war in Iraq accounts for about 3% of our taxes. FICA, Medicare and Medicaid account for 50%.

The cost of social programs is $167 billion per month!!

Aside from whether you think that the government should provide welfare, or whether you agree with the war - the fact is that any claim that the war is straining our ability to do other things is specious.

The single biggest drain on our GDP ($12T/yr) is social programs ($2T/yr.).

The cost of the war is a drop in the bucket compared to cost of socialism.

Don't let anyone else tell you otherwise - they are boldface liars.

posted by babbleman on Sep 05, 2008 at 01:50:59 pm     #

This thread is almost as stupid as it's original poster.

How people can STILL be defending this ridiculous 10 billion dollar a month war is beyond any sane comprehension.

But then again, consider the source.

posted by Ryan on Sep 04, 2008 at 09:36:58 pm #

Ryan- You are such an imbecile. Do you ever have an original thought? Go buy yourself some Preparation H and rub it all over yourself. Perhaps when you come back in your next life you won't be so irritating and unnecessary in life.

From the article: (which you could've seen if you had followed the link)

Breakdown of summer shootings by police district:
ï¿½ District 1 ï¿½ Central (Loop, West Loop, Near South Side): 1 dead, 4 injured
ï¿½ District 2 ï¿½ Wentworth (Washington Park, Bronzeville, Fuller Park): 2 dead, 10 injured
ï¿½ District 3 ï¿½ Grand Crossing (South Shore, Woodlawn, Park Manor, Grand Crossing) 13 dead, 24 injured
ï¿½ District 4 ï¿½ South Chicago (Far Southeast Side to Indiana state line): 9 dead, 18 injured
ï¿½ District 5 ï¿½ Calumet (Roseland, Fernwood, West Pullman): 9 dead, 23 injured
ï¿½ District 6 ï¿½ Gresham (Auburn-Gresham, Chatham): 5 dead, 19 injured
ï¿½ District 7 ï¿½ Englewood (Englewood, West Englewood: 11 dead, 46 injured
ï¿½ District 8 ï¿½ Chicago Lawn (most of the Southwest Side): 12 dead, 15 injured
ï¿½ District 9 ï¿½ Deering (Back of the Yards, Bridgeport, Canaryville, Brighton Park): 4 dead, 15 injured
ï¿½ District 10 ï¿½ Ogden (Little Village, much of North Lawndale): 9 dead, 8 injured
ï¿½ District 11 ï¿½ Harrison (Garfield Park, parts of North Lawndale): 11 dead, 25 injured
ï¿½ District 12 ï¿½ Monroe (Near West Side): 1 dead, 2 injured
ï¿½ District 13 ï¿½ Wood (West Town, Ukrainian Village, parts of Humboldt Park): 3 dead, 1 injured
ï¿½ District 14 ï¿½ Shakespeare (Wicker Park, Bucktown, Logan Square, parts of Humboldt Park): 6 dead, 1 injured
ï¿½ District 15 ï¿½ Austin (North and South Austin): 6 dead, 8 injured
ï¿½ District 16 ï¿½ Jefferson Park (Far Northwest Side from Portage Park to O'Hare International Airport): 0 dead, 0 injured
ï¿½ District 17 ï¿½ Albany Park (Albany Park, Irving Park, Avondale): 2 dead, 0 injured
ï¿½ District 18 ï¿½ Near North (Lincoln Park, Gold Coast Magnificent Mile, Near North Side): 1 dead, 5 injured
ï¿½ District 19 ï¿½ Belmont (Lakeview, Roscoe Village, Lincoln Square, North Center): 1 dead, 1 injured
ï¿½ District 20 ï¿½ Lincoln (Edgewater, Andersonville, Rosehill Cemetery, Budlong Woods): 0 dead, 1 injured
ï¿½ District 21 ï¿½ Prairie (Hyde Park, Kenwood Oakland-Douglas, Lake Meadows, Chinatown): 2 dead, 2 injured
ï¿½ District 22 ï¿½ Morgan Park (Beverly, Morgan Park, Mt. Greenwood): 5 dead, 4 injured
ï¿½ District 23 ï¿½ Town Hall (East Lakeview, Uptown): 1 dead, 4 injured
ï¿½ District 24 ï¿½ Rogers Park (East and West Rogers Park): 2 dead, 2 injured
ï¿½ District 25 ï¿½ Grand Central (Belmont-Cragin, Kelvyn Park, Hermosa, Galewood): 8 dead, 10 injured

posted by SillyWabbit on Sep 05, 2008 at 01:55:35 pm     #

Great! I drive thru or near a few of those neighborhoods once per week. Guess I just may have to be a 'law breaker' and start carrying! (Illinois doesn't recognize my CHL license.)

Well, better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

posted by GraphicsGuy on Sep 05, 2008 at 02:35:34 pm     #

So I don’t have original thoughts, yet you cut and paste your way through life?

You funny.

And Babbleman, you are comparing apples to oranges. "Social programs" actually help people live while this war is helping people die.

posted by Ryan on Sep 05, 2008 at 02:38:03 pm     #

I'm sure it's only a coincidence that there have been no serious attacks on U.S. soil since we took the war to the terrorists right ryan?

posted by JeepMaker on Sep 05, 2008 at 05:43:35 pm     #

You act like we were attacked on a weekly basis and then BAM - it all stopped.

Yea, that McVeigh character came straight outta Fallujah!

posted by Ryan on Sep 05, 2008 at 05:51:13 pm     #