Did anyone see the new store with all the hijabed mannequins today?
I think the hijab is a real political statement.
What do you all think?
New Hijab Store on Monroe Across from Kroger
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For those who are unfamiliar ....
For those who are unfamiliar ....
One more thing, what with all the MI-based businesses here, it may be time for us to keep watch on this sort of thing. I think we're jus a suburb of Dearborn.
Corky, i know what it is, I wondered if YOU know what it represents. I have read the texts. Have you?
I don't care if someone wears a hijab or not. While I don't have any close friends who wear a hijab, I have several aquaintences who wear them. They're some of the nicest people I know. The women that wear hijabs in the US are completely different than the women we see in Middle Eastern countries. Most of these women were born and raised here, so they're essentially "Americanized" in everything except that they wear the hijab.
BTW, any men here think hijabs actually make the woman look prettier than if she didn't have it? Maybe I'm the only one......
I'm just sayin its indicative of what's going on in this city. I bet you live in Maumee or somewhere Ryan.
Just curious, were you being sarcastic or are you being serious? I couldn't exactly tell, so I assumed (possibly incorrectly) that you were serious.
Well you guys can have it, I'm moving to the country!
I guess you guys won't miss people like me--hey you don't even know me! I started a Girl Scout troop, I've done tons of volunteer work and raised a family here. You don't know me. But you are MORE than willing to stick up for an ideology you probably know nothing about! i'm moving next year for sure, i am serious.
LAST WORDS FROM KATYA K i wanted you people to wake up--read the texts. do you believe the US was a hero nation for defeating Hitler? do you believe in the right of Jews to have a place to live in the ME like they've been for thousands of years? do you know what many, many of the "ideology" think of Jews, what their texts teach? do you realize its an ancient ideology which needs reforms? If they will TELL US what they stand for then I can live with that. But UNTIL they TELL US by presenting their ideology in a formal organized manner, I do not know WHAT to think or believe. That is what scares me RYAN do you even know what i am talking about??? GOODBYE AND WAKE UP TOLEDO
Am I correct that the purpose of this attire is so that the male is not sexually aroused by the sight of an unmodest female and that the Islamic male is considered unable to control himself? If I'm making the correct assumptions then Islamic males need to grow up and get a handle on themselves. Dressing modestly is fine. In fact I prefer it to a lot of what I see on young women today ( think beach volleyball). However suiting yourself up to the point of looking like a walking tent in all weather and in a manner that makes doing simple tasks difficult (try gardening in that garb) is just plain nuts. And lazy. Get a guy that's mature and in control of himself.
any men here think hijabs actually make the woman look prettier than if she didn't have it?
I'm with you on that one.
I go back on my word not to post again on this--can't resist. "toledolen" shows ignorance--the amish turn the other cheek--and I hold them in high regard--and they are the EXACT OPPOSITE of what we're talking about--it's not the clothing itself. Obviously "toledolen" knows not much about world events, very pathetic. . . .
me thinks toledolen is from the religion of peace!
As long as they officially licensed sports crap it'll do well.
I need my Detroit Lions chain gang ensemb.
doesn't clothing of this nature tend to lean more to the radical elements of that religion. from what i understand the sects of that religion who encourage/require followers to wear that is more of the fundamentalist side of things.
i'm all for faith, have all the faith you want, but hard core adherence to any religion scares the crap out of me. all throughout history we've seen millions and millions of people day over what god's name is.
all religions are cults, some more extreme than others. the more fringe and radical of a flock they have the more receptive they will be to doing what they are told because they think it'll please the magical fairy in the sky.
thats some spooky stuff right there.
i don't want anyone living near me who's so devout they'd follow those type of orders without a second thought.
no matter what religion they are a believer in.
But you are MORE than willing to stick up for an ideology you probably know nothing about!
I am guessing you know know nothing about the "ideology" either. The hijab has nothing to do with radical religious ideas, it is a garment worn by culturally conservative Muslim women. To say that just because a woman wears a headscarf, she is some sort of terrorist is racist and ignorant.
Ok Ace check out what Ms. Nonie Darwish has to say. Her dad was a martyr, so I think she knows a thing or two! You know I saw the store this morning and I changed my mine. I think its actually a good advertisement for what could be. Four lined up in unison on each side of the door doing the exact same thing and looking the exact same way--and more importantly thinking the exact same thoughts at the same times of each day. It could be ok if we knew what they stand for, but unfortunately I've yet to find one who is willing to discuss it in depth. They look like robots ready to serve their master! It will backfire on them, its actually a good thing in disguise! And BTW if its "racist" then what RACE is it?
Yup, after sleeping on it and seein it again, I have decided its a GREAT thing. Instead of promoting themselves, its actually going to have the opposite effect--its going to call attention to itself and wake Toledo up. We actually have to do nothing but watch how it can't defend itself when its members deny free speech by refusing to discuss it. It's laughable! Any more thought than I'm cuckoo McCaskey? It you're such a defender then be a man and start defending with your WORDS Here. I doubt that you will be able to!
For those clueless Toledo Talkers, the "Mediterranean" Clothing shop is actually the gateway to the ROP empire which stretches from there to Swain Field and beyond. Check out Monroe Street. Like it? Sure they're great at urban renewal, but the mind-control aspect is scary. If it can't be reformed in some way by its members like other religions have been, then we need to hold it in check. Start researching and get back to us Toledo Talkers!
BTW check out places even if they seem unlikely. Who knew JO-Jos has been a ROP shop all these years. I just found out.
Fact is, Catholicism is responsible for more deaths than Muslims and more than all other faiths combined! (Salem & the witch hunts, the Inquisition, the 'conquering' of the Aztecs & the Inca, leading to the complete demise of the Inca)
posted by GraphicsGuy on Sep 06, 2008 at 01:01:07 pm #
GO smart Toledo Talkers, GO (unless of course you think this board is infiltrated--in that case someone needs to start a new one) GO!
Ill help you out--Hitler was Catholic, wasnt he? correct me if I'm wrong--that didn't stop us from going after him. Find the poll numbers showing how many actually admire OBL. Draw parallels between these 2 "great" leaders. Isn't ther a history guy here? Im talkin about CURRENT events, not the Incas right now--Im talkin about stuff that affects us all RIGHT NOW! COME ON PEOPLE-- GO
While Hitler was raised a Roman Catholic, his adult belief system was some sort of occult-based, anti-semitic fueled, bastardization of Christianity.
By the way, if you're somewhere in the neighborhood of a lucid point to all this, you might want to stop the tour bus and point it out to us.
posted by prairieson on Sep 06, 2008 at 01:35:34 pm #
THanks for asking. It ever so recently came to my attention by searching public records that Muslims have bought up a GREAT deal of Toledo. They do well at revitalizing properties, and can be commended for that! I know lots are nice people. But a strict interpretation of teh religion is total mind control, isn't it? I wish they would come forth in droves and tell us something like Hey, I only believe in the KOran, not all that other stuff that's law overseas. But the dozen or so Muslims I have know and some quite well get all offended by such question. It is totally relevant to the world today! With the prominent Alyaa's store across from Kroger, it spurred me to check on public records for places like JO JOs pizza, and all up and down Monroe St. And it was very shocking to me! I wanted to let people know somehow. I never knew and I wanted to get the word out, you see because at it says at the start of the Lucas County AREIS system: Information is the language of Democracy. What I want to know is are the non-Muslim Toledoans comfortable with this real estate and business trend? and even more importantly I have ever so recently been wondering how many people are aware of the real estate buy-up. Core Toledo will be Muslim-owned if non-Muslims keep moving to the subs. If nobody cares, then fine I guess. It seems important to discuss, it deserves the time of day don't you think???
Katyak,
I am familiar with what it is and I simply posted the link for the benefit of other Toledo Talkers who might not be aware of the term hijab.
We've got quite a population of muslims here and the location of the store within the proximity of the University of Toledo is not lost on me.
Beyond that, I'm not sure what to think. If you have more specific information to share about the store and why you are concerned about this store, then by all means ... do.
I think Ive said it all and it seems HARDLY ANYBODY cares, therefore enjoy the new Toledo
No, I don't.
It sounds like the same kind of paranoia inspired crap spewed about "Jews" longer than I've been alive... they're good businessmen and they're going to take over the country. So now it's, "Someone with a Middle Eastern sounding name is buying up all the real estate, they must Islamic fundamentalist terrorists, we'll all have to bow to the east by Wednesday"?
Face it, Toledo is a diverse community and has been for a long time. Historically, most of the success Toledo has seen in the past 150 years is a direct result of immigrants' efforts.
As an aside, the strict interpretation of any religion is mind control.
posted by prairieson on Sep 06, 2008 at 02:29:28 pm #
I am still laughing picturing you and your three air-headed girlfriends like, totally freaking out when you like, saw that store and stuff. Like, I mean, I am so sure!
Go move to your farm already, we are trying to weed Toledo of the intolerant racists that make us look bad.
in particular check out the business establishments you frequent. know who owns them, it may be a shock. but hey if you don't care to know, then dont. its not paranoia, its called knowing the facts. its called stop watching mindless tv, start a business, take care of your communities. its called wake up. whats with the unAmericanism displayed at "Toledo Talk" as well as the horrible language? just check stuff out, TOLEDO Again I will say that information is the language of DEMOCRACY.
I am a business owner and I do take care of my community by way of direct social outreach.
Americanism is all about Democracy for everyone... not just those of us with "American" sounding names, pasty white skin, and Bibles collecting dust on our bookshelves.
What I am waking up to is the rampant intolerance that seems to abound in some folks when they find some threat in something they have little more than superficial knowlege of.
posted by prairieson on Sep 06, 2008 at 02:53:21 pm #
So prairie, do you have any above-average knowledge of the "religion of peace"? and Ryan, little do you know (because you do not know me) one of the people in my vehicle was male--im about as tolerant as they come. Its only when I got to know people and started studying that I developed any amount of concern. The US v. Holy Land Foundation trial includes an exhibit memo straight from the Muslim Brotherhood, outlining their plans for us. Have you checked it out? Please do so then get back to us, "RYAN, the great multiculturalist or whatever it is makes you so pompous"
The HLF has as much to do with mainstream Islam as the Westboro Baptist Church has to do with Christianity.
Perhaps you should study the mainstream before gulping down the radical fringe.
posted by prairieson on Sep 06, 2008 at 03:40:25 pm #
Prairie: please define what "mainstream Islam" is so we can study it. Please.
Additionally, the "Muslim Brotherhood" is a recent development relative to Islam in general, and their beliefs are frowned upon (to put it mildly) by most adherents of Islam.
posted by prairieson on Sep 06, 2008 at 03:46:44 pm #
Ok that's what I thought we have to take it on blind faith that mainstream Islam is like mainstream Christianity or mainstream anything else. I get the picture
Well then the US government is wrong in trying the HLF? Is that what you think?
If you can manage to locate the lunatic fringe, I'm certain the basic tenets of Islam are at your disposal as well. A little C&P, words of the Prophet Mohammed himself...
"Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you."
"Woe to those . . . who, when they have to receive by measure from men, exact full measure, but when they have to give by measure or weight to men, give less than due"
"None of you [truly] believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself."
"Seek for mankind that of which you are desirous for yourself, that you may be a believer; treat well as a neighbor the one who lives near you, that you may be a Muslim [one who submits to God]."
"That which you want for yourself, seek for mankind."
"The most righteous of men is the one who is glad that men should have what is pleasing to himself, and who dislikes for them what is for him disagreeable."
Quite a bit like Christianity... no wonder... it's the same God.
posted by prairieson on Sep 06, 2008 at 04:00:30 pm #
cute the way i posted "Ok thats what I thought. . ." and your response "Additionally. . ." then popped up ahead of mine. I admire your diplomacy, however, you must realize than most non-Muslims are extremely logical.
and you did it again! clever--however, my main beef is the 2-tier system or believers and non-believers. this is a concept that has not been "mainstream" in my life long American experience. if someone's not ever been baptized, doesn't mean they cant go to heaven--and for the devout Bible people, i do not tolerate them unless they're relatives and i have to once or twice a year! now im expecting that posting trick yet again--trying to make me look incoherent, Prairie?
And that means what?
posted by prairieson on Sep 06, 2008 at 04:07:24 pm #
to your credit the quotes are good, i will try looking them up at the USC site which was originally set up by the Muslim Student group there
No, you're doing that quite well on your own...
posted by prairieson on Sep 06, 2008 at 04:08:17 pm #
it happened again, hey I dont' know what it means, I'm asking YOU! now let me go look up your quotes. it may take me a few days or so.
Prairie I am not and you know it. Now goodbye for now.
Personally, I don't think a hijab store is anything to get bent out of shape over. I don't find it anymore offensive than the Christian bookstore on Sylvania. I am as atheistic as they come but if people keep their religion to themselves (relatively speaking), I'm not going to worry about what they're selling or how much real estate they're buying in Toledo. I agree that wearing clothing that is so restrictive, it limits one's eyesight or movement, is absurd but ultimately, that's the wearer's problem not mine. As long as the store doesn't proselytize, I'm okay with it.
I just peeked in and I get the drift here totally. KatyaK is "racist" "intolerant" etc., and the general consensis is What, me worry? except for a couple folks who half heartedly supported my position that we need to get answers from ROP (as Pres. Bush dubbed Islam--and for record I never voted for him, I only refer to him as "Pres." Bush here since I see so much antiAmerican crap around Toledo TAlk. )
I hope, someone looks at what ive said, and ALSO check out the interchange between me and the one above==one of my questions was avoided with that trick. Don't know if deliberate but who knows
the times on the postings is not what occurred on my screen!
All hail KatyaK - all knowing whistle blower for the people!
Seriously, after your last post you sound like a paranoid crack head huddled in a ball watching out the corner of your eye for all those evil carry out owners!
Laughable.
<<just peeked in and I get the drift here totally. KatyaK is "racist" "intolerant" etc.>>
Or maybe you just have too much time on your hands. I am more worried about who the next guy we put in the White House will be than whether Toledo is getting inundated with Muslims.
I don't think KatyaK is racist or intolerant....I think he's better defined as a "Troll." Reading through his post I don't see them actually being serious. He's intentionally trying to get people angry just for the sake of getting them angry. As other boards say, "Don't feed the Troll."
its okay, you guys just remain the way you are, but I think just because you have the time to regularly post to a board youre not all brilliant. and i have been serious, i didnt know but Muslims own lots of shopping, eating, places, everything. i guess they're a smart bunch, and to top it off we've got loads of people like yourselves who rush in to defend at drop of any hat. is it fear or genuine admiration? goodbye
HeyHey, I do believe you've hit the nail on the head!
posted by prairieson on Sep 07, 2008 at 12:46:01 am #
<<ts okay, you guys just remain the way you are, >>
I intend to.
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You're worried, because....?
Sorry, my previous post deleted the following quote:
i didnt know but Muslims own lots of shopping, eating, places, everything.
I have one question, well actually two.
1. Is it true that immigrants can start a business and not have to pay taxes for a certain number of years? (7 IIRC) I have heard this for years.
2. Why?
It's not true. And the rumor's been around for decades.
posted by prairieson on Sep 07, 2008 at 02:35:50 pm #
While I'm not particularly bothered about the hijab store, you have to wonder how long it will be before sharia law starts bumping its head against civil and criminal law. I did a google search for 'american sharia' and found a number of interesting things to read. The results were topped by this entry which contains that suggestion that all toilet seats in the public rest rooms be reoriented so that one does not defecate facing Mecca.
Read the whole article that I've linked to. I can't tell if the author is serious, or doing a satire piece.
posted by AirTrainer on Sep 07, 2008 at 02:48:49 pm #
I suspect it's a satire piece.
Faithfreedom.org is, by its own definition... "Created by secularist ex-Muslims to help Muslims leave Islam."
It would seem that the website provides some amusement and irritation to even mainstream Muslims. Perhaps some sort of far-left (from an islamic point of view) fringe site?
posted by prairieson on Sep 07, 2008 at 03:00:43 pm #
According to something I saw few months ago on internet, there's a texas sharia court of some sort which was recognized in a divorce case. Don't recall where I saw it, but the court docs were posted on internet and of course the judge's name as well. seems this should be unconstitutional. wonder why the judge caved--
BTW Prairie, what translation did you use
Hijab used to be about modesty.
Now adays, it is more an "in your face," we won't dress like the unbelievers in Allah because we are Muslims asserting ourselves.
I see toledolan has become a puppet to a couple of salafi conmen. That's too bad.
BTW I checked with the secretary of State and I saw no filing for the company--its probably hidden under a corporate VEIL! 3 people in the car with me were totally freaked out. It shouldn't matter what people wear, but this ideology is like not other. I think it's disturbing. Anybody care to stick their neck out anonymously here and discuss?
posted by KatyaK on Sep 05, 2008 at 10:10:04 pm #