Anyone know if they are excepting volunteers or how do you participate?
Sorry I didnt post under the first thread but for some reason my browser just sits there. Think it's the google earth plugin for the last pick embedded that just keeps polling google rather than freeing up and letting the rest of the page load.
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posted by blacjac687 on Sep 07, 2008 at 02:22:09 pm #
jshriver- I had the same problem with not being able to reply. Thought maybe it was just something that I was doing. lol
In the original thread, someone posted a question about whether the home is taxable...
When a person wins a big prize like a home, it is considered taxable income. The IRS requires that you pay 25% of the prize's value as "withholding" at the time you take possession. You can use a home equity loan to do it, if you don't have the cash handy of course. :)
You receive a W-2G form and have to file it with your income taxes for the year. The value of the prize is part of your adjusted gross income for the year. Since the family only pre-pays 25% withholding to the IRS, they may owe more to the IRS when the year's tax return is filed. (Just depends on their tax situation for the rest of the year...its treated like any other income/withholding situation.)
The family will also owe income tax to the state on the value of the prize at the time the year's state return is filed. (That 25% pre-payment is just IRS/federal withholding - nothing is taken out of it for the state.)
- Source - friends with a St. Jude Dream Home winner, and that's how it worked for/was explained to them.
A quick search on AREIS indicates that the current owners of this house are over a year deliquent on their taxes already. Just wondering why they deserve to have their house rebuilt and how they will afford the taxes when it is valued higher.
posted by muddyriverduck on Sep 07, 2008 at 03:59:21 pm #
AREIS often has out of date information on property tax payments - not sure what their process is for updating the database, but I definitely don't trust the info.
Its a good site for looking up general information, like values and owner of a property. But I think it takes them awhile to update after a tax payment is made.
Forgot to add...
I would agree with you though that it should be important to make sure that the family can handle the property taxes and other taxes on the home before awarding them the prize.
There was a big scandal earlier this summer that one of the homes in Atlanta was foreclosed upon. Lots of the volunteers felt upset that the family handled the home so irresponsibly, and all of their hard work and donations ended up being owned by the bank. (There were tons of news stories on it - can google if you want to read more.)
These people are on a "delinquent payment plan". It's accurate.
The completed house should be a good buy after these folks default on their taxes. Might be able to pick up a brand new house for pennies on the dollar. I'll keep an eye on it.
posted by muddyriverduck on Sep 07, 2008 at 04:28:25 pm #
I use AREIS quite frequently and have almost always found up to date information. In a home that we used to rent our landlord would come knocking on our door several days before the rent was due to be paid crying about how he was so far behind on taxes and that the county was going to take the house from him, etc., if he didn't get a payment in within like 24 hours. I knew he was BS'ing us, but one time we did actually give him the rent and he'd go down and make a payment on the taxes and it "usually" showed up within 24-48 hours.
I finally made him a print out of the taxes owed, payments he had made, etc one of the times he came crying, after that, he never did it again...LOL! I guess he thought that I was as stupid as he was.
Anyway, I have a hard time believing that if it shows they are a year delinquent that they aren't delinquent. Not saying anything bad about them, it sounds like the wife has had some serious health problems and I'm sure they've probably had tough financial times like many of us have. Hopefully a new home will be the start to what they need to get themselves back up on their feet
posted by justsimplyholly on Sep 07, 2008 at 04:35:52 pm #
Gotcha.
I only mentioned the inaccuracies, because my entire neighborhood was listed as delinquent for awhile. It was pretty embarassing to pull up your own home and see "delinquent" next to your name...especially when you knew that you paid your property taxes in full by your due date!
When I searched by street, I noticed that all my neighbors had the same "delinquent" notation too.It finally got fixed, because none of us actually were delinquent on our property taxes. But it still had the potential to embarrass or do damage to a person's reputation if someone had happened to do a records check while the error was up there!
(Anyhow...that's why I don't always trust 100% the info on AREIS. But if it specifically says that they are on a payment plan, that probably is more likely to be accurate.)
Hopefully this will also be one of the cases where they pay off the winners mortgage as well. That would help out immensly. They seem like good folk, providing for a lot of needy kids!
riverduck, When they removed your soul, was the procedure painful and involve a long recovery period?
WOW, I'd have to say that if your entire neighborhood was listed as delinquent then they probably had a HUGE oopsie LOL! I can see why you wouldn't trust it, I don't think I would either if I'd have gone through what you've gone through! Glad they finally got it fixed though.
I'm thinking if the entire neighborhood that the Frisch's are in is marked delinquent it could be the same thing. I haven't pulled it up yet and I actually stopped checking the tax and payments part of AREIS about a year ago when we moved here, maybe I should...LOL ;o)
posted by justsimplyholly on Sep 07, 2008 at 08:06:06 pm #
Seriously, less than 12 hours after the announcement and all the Toledo a-holes have already checked their real estate info?
Ever think that part of what you love to bitch about is YOUR fault? Toledo this and that, sucks, etc.
Why not do something other than look for the worse all the time - or just move. That would be cool too!
Back on the subject,
Someone posted elsewhere that they'd like to get lots of people out there for the "move that bus" reveal.
Some people do bitch about everything, but in this case, I tend to agree with them.
How does a family adopt so many kids if they don't have the means to support these children? They have 11 kids in a 3 bedroom home? There used to be a family down the street from me that adopted children more for the money than for the love.
5 children from outside the country, 3 from here, and 3 of their own. If they were dogs, the humane society would have to remove them because they couldn't care for them. Apparently children require less living space.
Wouldn't it have been better for everyone if we just moved the family down to the erie street market?
I don't know, sounds to me like the money spent on doing this home could have been better spent on helping a single mom, preventing spouse or child abuse, rebuilding the apartment building that recently burnt down, or upgrading the police force.
Sorry to rain on the positive parade here, but if the family adopted all these kids and could support and provide for them, why do they need a new home? They didn't suffer a tragic fire and lose their house, did they?
we're a two income family that'd be majorly hurting if one spouse or the other became unable to work - arent you?
hockeyfan- read below from Blade article
http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080908/NEWS16/809080299
Mrs. Frisch is an ordained minister and former youth pastor at Calvary Bible Chapel. After having five surgeries and being diagnosed with a soft-tissue disease called Ehrlers-Danlos Syndrome, she has had a series of strokes that have left her partially paralyzed.
The show, focusing on building projects for 'hometown heroes,' said in a news release that Mr. Frisch 'has saved many lives, including the life of his rescue partner during the Toledo riots in October, 2005.'
The Blade reported on Oct. 22, 2005, that Mr. Frisch and Kathy Zeller were in a life squad that was pelted with rocks during the chaos in North Toledo. The door windows shattered and an object hit Mr. Frisch in the elbow. Ms. Zeller was hit in the head.
Mr. Frisch backed the vehicle out of the area and drove his partner to St. Vincent Mercy Medical Center for treatment, arriving with a brick still embedded in the windshield.
'They are the most giving two people you'd ever see in your life,' Eddie Smith said of Mr. and Mrs. Frisch. He lives next door at 6048 Edgedale with his wife, Teri, and their nine children, a mix of biological and adopted children that they said was inspired by the Frisches' example.
Of the 11 children that Mr. and Mrs. Frisch have living at home, three are biological — Blade, Connor, 13, and Cole, 10. Five were adopted from an orphanage in Haiti: Moe, 18; Joe, 18; Benson, 17; Max, 16, and Charlie, 10. Three boys were adopted in Toledo: Me'gail, 14; Mikail, 7, and Isaiah.
posted by SillyWabbit on Sep 08, 2008 at 03:39:23 pm #
I did read the article and do not argue that they seem like great people.
I just don't agree with the fact that they have 11 kids jambed into a 3 bedroom house. Besides, the message I get from all this is that I should start adopting and having kids and then when I have them all jambed into a small apartment, I too can solicit EMHE to build me a "free" home and reward me for compassionate but foolish decisions.
I know there was a teacher in the running that was in the same position with adopted kids, so why didnt the teacher get it? They could be considered heros too? Why do they always focus on Police and Fire for hometown heros?
posted by justphillips on Sep 08, 2008 at 06:15:21 pm #
Hockeyfan, it is not like they set out to adopt to get a free house. Sad that compassion is so rare these days, people don;t recognize it when they see it. Thise kids "jammed" into a 3 bedroom house are probably better off than most care and love wise. Not everything is about material things.
Justphillips, is the teachers spouse ill like in this case? I am sure that plays a part in decisions.
I am sorry, but a bunch of you seem really callous and uncaring, or jealous or something.
Sad.
"so why didnt the teacher get it?"
Probably because Vic's house's only problem is size - it's not falling apart, nor is doris.
gotta remember, it's all about ratings.
@hockeyfan...amen
posted by justareviewer on Sep 08, 2008 at 06:59:28 pm #
What's wrong with pointing out that these people can't afford their present taxes and that those taxes are going to go up? How are they going to afford the higher taxes? And who's bithing Ryan? I'm happy for them. Hopefully they sell the house and take their windfall and get themselves right financially. If not, I'll be right there to bid $140,000 for a $400,000 house.
And don't give me that crap about losing part of a duel income to a disability. Should of had disability insurance. Sticking a few kids on a raft back to Haiti might help with the finances too.
And Billy, I had a procedure to remove all the nerve endings from my body, so the soul removal was painless. Thanks for your concern though.
posted by muddyriverduck on Sep 08, 2008 at 09:24:43 pm #
Even though I agree that the ability to pay the taxes should be considered, I think its the show's responsibility to review that as part of the screening process. Not for strangers with incomplete information to speculate about on the internet.
There have been Extreme Home recipients who were forced to sell after not being able to afford the new taxes on the home, and one of the homes in Atlanta was actually foreclosed earlier this summer. (http://www.accessatlanta.com/entertainment/content/entertainment/tv/stories/2008/07/25/extreme_makeover_foreclosure.html) Hopefully the show has fine-tuned the screening process, in light of some of the past winner's problems.
P.S. I was pleased to see that some of the adopted children were from Toledo. Although its certainly a noble thing to rescue Hatian orphans, there are children in Lucas County who desperately need homes too. I thought it reflected positively on the family that they helped children locally in addition to their international adoptions.
I am not callous and I am very compassionate. But before I go off adopting 8 kids, I'll make sure that I have the resources to care for them in case I can't.
While it is sad that the wife has been stricken with an illness, it doesn't change the fact that having children is a lifetime decision and should be done responsibly. Having an unplanned pregnancy is one thing. Adopting 8 kids and having 3 more is not something you do on a whim. It definately shouldn't be done with a "Hope it all works out" attitude. I'm not sure about what the adoption guidelines are but apparently properly providing for 8 children doesn't require much except one working spouse and any size home to squeeze them into.
I guess I'm not compassionate enough because I won't be running down to the adoption agency to adopt 3 kids, nor will I be contacting the Haiti government to adopt 5 more, but I see it as I don't have the means to properly care or provide for that many kids so I'll maybe donate some time or money to help instead. That way I'll save ABC and Disney the trouble of building me a new home.
PS-I did save a woman's life once when she ran into a telephone pole, and I didn't even know her, but I've resisted the temptation of adopting an army of children. I guess I don't qualify for a free house?
A note about the foreclosed house in Atlanta. Apparently, even after ABC recommended that the winning families hire a financial consultant, that particular family didn't. Then they used the house as collateral for a loan to start a construction business. When the business failed, the house was foreclosed on.
Start saving your money, I smell a Pamela Rose auction coming, unless they adopt 8 more kids and re-apply next year.
The recipients of the Home Makeover never used to pay federal taxes because they were able to use a loophole in the tax code.
If someone rents their house for less than 15 days within a calendar year, then any income from that rental is excluded from income. So, the recipients and the Home Makeover show were able to structure a rental agreement for less than 15 days and the improvements in the home are stated to be rent.
I think the IRS has since ruled that such treatment is illegal. Even so, the winners can take out a home equity loan which is tax deductible.
Now watch out for property taxes, though. Either way, the family comes out on top if they aren't idiots with financial matters.
"But before I go off adopting 8 kids, I'll make sure that I have the resources to care for them in case I can't. "
Amen. The Extreme Makeover: Logical Decision Making Edition would be of much greater value to many of the winners.
I guess the difference between the Frish family and the folks here who think they should be kicked to the curb and poked with a stick -
When the chips are down, be it your mistake or no fault of your own, the Frish family would stand up to help you. You assholes would love to see the frish's fail, and then vulture in and see if you could wrestle their home from them if they cant afford it.
Great buncha folks...
Really Billy? A little overly sensitive aren't you? Wow, they're the only giving family that has had some hardship in all of Toledo? Why don't you take the ABC crew down to interview those who lost everything in the recent apartment fire? Or go to the children's hospital and interview the families of children with cancer or other terminal diseases.
But since you're splitting hairs, the heroic story about Mr. Frish is actually lacking heroism. His rescue vehicle was pelted with rocks. His partner was hurt and so was he. What were his options? Get out in the middle of a riot and ask the rioting crowd for help or drive to a hospital? Sounds to me like he just made a smart decision and saved his own butt. Hero would have been more like running into a rioting crowd to save someone and risking his own life. The biggest risk he took was if he was going to run out of gas or not.
Maybe you look at a family that has more children than they can support as a great thing. I look at is as an irresponsible choice.
Let's face it, you're going to jump on the ABC bandwagon and cheer and scream for the makeover but in the end it is about ratings. It's about how ABC can build up the story, stretch the truth, put a tragic spin on the facts, pull on some heart strings and sell some more shows.
I hope the Frishs enjoy their new home, the vacation, and the new found wealth. I hope you are happy too.
Just because I question their decisions, why they were chosen and don't agree that the money is being spent as wisely as it could have been, doesn't make me callous or uncaring.
So now the show should change the way they do things to appease you and build an apartment building? Or go visit a hospital and pick someone out that way?
Seriously, this is exactly why Toledo has the reputation it has. I am surprised they wanted to come here at all.
I really don't care what the show does. After reading about this family I do not think that they are the most deserving family in Toledo. I think that there are many other families in worse situations. And judging from the responses on here, so do others.
Well, they should have sent in a video, LOL!
Hopeless.
When "americas most deserving bottom of the barrel hard knock life home rebuild" starts up this fall I hope you are executive producer.
Has logic been completely lost in this conversation?
n.
1.The study of the principles of reasoning, especially of the structure of propositions as distinguished from their content and of method and validity in deductive reasoning.2.The relationship between elements and between an element and the whole in a set of objects, individuals, principles, or events.
In either definition it appears logic has lost out to emotions in this case. It's a feel good story to give Americans hope that there still is humanitarian interest present in this country. Kinda makes you want to grab your neighbor and sing Kumbaya. Meanwhile ABC and Disney love the ratings.
But logic...it can't be found.
Perhaps the logic is:
if you make illogical choices, then you will be rewarded.
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They stated that all the volunteers were contacted and scheduled already. They have thousands on standby right now.
posted by jashansen on Sep 07, 2008 at 02:02:21 pm #