My apologies to those of you who are tired (understandably so) of this site being somewhat loaded with national rather than local issues, but this was so good I just had to share.
Gutting A Moose Is Not Leadership Experience
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Sad and pathetic.
You really need to go to
http://factcheck.org/
The saddest thing is, even if all they say about Obama were true he WOULD STILL MAKE A BETTER PRESIDENT!!!!
Why is every liberal focusing only on the Vice Presidential candidate? Since you are, I was wondering, do you think Biden would treat the Vice Presidency the same way he handles his job in the Senate? You know 9:00am to 3:00pm, then catch the train back home every single day like he's done ever since he's been there. It's as if he's on a permanent work release program.
posted by AmericanPie on Sep 14, 2008 at 06:22:28 pm #
Seems he is pretty efficient, dunnit?
Supposed 6 hour work days and gets all that done.
Maybe we can get everyone else to step up to that productive routine.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch.....
How do you know that he doesn't open his briefcase and read staff reports on the commute? Only a righty could use their bizarre form of logic in an attempt to find a way to criticize a man who goes home to his family every single night by public transportation. Isn't it elitist enough for you? Should he punch a time clock or something? Egads. How absolutely moronic.
Nobody says it better than Glenn Beck.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/11/beck.palin/index.htmlSpeaking of Fact Check....
NEW YORK (CNN) -- Campaigns are ugly. Watching the way politicians act makes you long for the respect and self-control of the Sopranos. Throughout, there are legitimate attacks and outright lies.
Every once in a while, I get a call on my radio show from someone telling me that Barack Obama is secretly a Muslim, who admitted it in an interview with George Stephanopoulos, and has a fake birth certificate. No, no, and no. As I tell them, there are legitimate reasons not to vote for Barack Obama, no need to make them up.
But the newest target is Sarah Palin. Let's take a quick look at just a fraction of what she has faced in her first few days as John McCain's choice for vice president.
"Sarah Palin believes God told her to go to war with Iraq!"
There has been some hard-core journalistic malpractice on this one. The Associated Press ran this headline about a speech she gave at her church: "Palin: Iraq war 'a task that is from God'"
In the story, they omit the first part of the sentence they're quoting along with the entire previous sentence for good measure.
Here are her actual words: "Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending them out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."
Palin is clearly praying that we're doing the right thing in Iraq, something sensible for an introspective woman of faith concerned about the lives of our troops to do. She's not saying that she just received a text message from heaven's BlackBerry ordering her to launch missiles. Sorry to disappoint you.
And for those of you who think politicians asking God for guidance is offensive, might I remind you of this famous politician's prayer:
"Give me the wisdom to do what is right and just. And make me an instrument of your will." --Barack Obama
It's fair to assume that Barack Obama believed he was qualified to be in the White House when he announced he was running for president. At that point, he had been a U.S. Senator for 767 days. When Sarah Palin was announced as a vice presidential candidate, she had been the governor of Alaska for 634 days.
While I'm sure those extra 133 days were filled with personal discovery, I can't imagine anyone seriously trying to make the case that Obama is experienced and Palin isn't.
Unless, of course, you're Matt Damon, who said a Palin presidency would be a really "scary thing" because she has been "governor of Alaska for...for less than two years!" (Damon originally expressed his presidential preference for Obama in December 2006, when he had been a senator for less than two years.)
More importantly, Palin's career has been filled with executive experience. She's the only one of the four in this race who has run a business, town, and/or state (a state that gives her crucial energy experience in the middle of an energy crisis).
When Obama's campaign complains that Palin would be one heartbeat away from the presidency, they should consider that their candidate would be zero heartbeats away.
"But Obama is running a huge campaign -- Palin was just a small town mayor!"
Believe it or not, this one was actually trotted out by Obama himself.
"My understanding is, is that Gov. Palin's town of Wasilla has, I think, 50 employees. We've got 2,500 in this campaign. I think the budget is maybe $12 million a year. We have a budget of about three times that just for the month."
Apparently, Barack missed that she's become the governor of Alaska in the interim. Why would he compare his current duties with her former duties?
Well, since he announced his candidacy, Barack Obama has raised about $22 million a month. That's a large organization for sure, unless you are directly comparing it to Sarah Palin, who is handling state revenues that are about 61 times as large, or more than $1.3 billion per month.
"Palin only supports abstinence to be taught in sex-ed!"
This claim is usually followed by a super classy comment about her daughter and the use of contraception, but the premise is false. Palin hasn't said she doesn't want condoms discussed in sex-ed, calling their discussion "relatively benign."
"I'm pro-contraception, and I think kids who may not hear about it at home should hear about it in other avenues. So I am not anti-contraception. But, yeah, abstinence is another alternative that should be discussed with kids. I don't have a problem with that," Palin said. Hers is hardly an extreme point of view in America today.
"If she cares about children with special needs, then why did she cut spending on them by 62 percent?"
Actually, Palin almost tripled their funding in only three years from $26,900 per student to $73,840 per student.
Incidentally, the amount of government money you spend on a specific group doesn't equal the amount you care for that group, but that's another story for another column.
All of these represent just a small percentage of the bizarre collection of claims being thrown at Palin by her opponents and some in the media -- who are desperately hoping something will stick. I leave you with my favorite so far: The Internet rumors that she harbors racism against Eskimos. If true, she sure has a strange way of expressing it -- her husband, Todd, is half Yupik Inuit Eskimo.
To balance that out, she must really love his other half.
posted by SillyWabbit on Sep 14, 2008 at 07:36:15 pm #
What? Nothing about wanting to overturn Roe v. Wade? Shocking!
I guess they had to save the word count to fit in the all meaningless "executive experience" reference.
You lib kool-aid drinkers are hopeless.
I wonder who 0bama would want for secretary of state, Jesse Jackson? Al Sharpton? Hell, maybe Farakhan.
Why is every liberal focusing only on the Vice Presidential candidate?
---------------------------------Because McPain choosing her made them very afraid.
"GOD DAMN (white) America!"
"Why is every liberal focusing only on the Vice Presidential candidate? "
Haven't been listening to Rush, Hannity or the other Rep minions? Lately the Reps have referenced Palin more than any other person.
"Gutting A Moose Is Not Leadership Experience"
neither is attending a racist church for 20 years, announcing your canadacy from the home of a guy who bombed the pentagon, being BFF's with the biggest slum lord in chicago, or being mentored all through life by a card carrying member of the communist party.
and neither does being a "community organiser" or whatever the fuck he claims to be this week.
i'd rather have a chick who knows how to hunt as vice president than a little big eared elitist bitch with racist, greasy, terrorist and communist friends be our president.
compare palin to maobamma all you want. it's not a race you can win.
palin is hands down the better person, and she's not even the guy Maobama is running against.
never before has there been a run to the white house where the canidate and his dumbass VP choice (the viiilllages, americas friendliest home town, the viiillagees, americas friendliest home town) spend all thier time attacking theother parties VP
how desperate can you possibly be.
The reason I don't like Obama is because he is a socialist that refuses to speak his true beliefs. How many times have you heard him say he's actually a "liberal?" He can't say that because he'll get trounced in the election. He fundamentally thinks the people that have achieved great things in this country should fork over large sums of their money to those who underachieve. He fundamentally believes government holds in its grasp the recipe to solve problems for Americans (just look at his national service corps proposal). He fundamentally believes in a Constitution that changes according to the whims and perceived "needs" of society at whatever juncture it finds itself.
I reject these ideas completely and without any hesitation. They are absolutely contrary to worldview, and they are (fortunately) contrary to the worldview of most Americans. Unfortunately, many of these same people will fall for his gimmick of "change" despite the fact that the "change" he represents is one of socialism, wealth redistribution, and Big Brother paternalism coupled with a foreign policy that operates from a position of weakness.
I'm not a fan of McCain's, but I truly don't understand why the appointment of Sarah Palin has set Obama's campaign into a tailspin of sorts.
It hasn't set the Obama campaign into a tailspin. It's set the media and far left liberal bloggers into a tailspin.
Actually it's not all that far left, it's mostly middle-of-the-road folks that are really freaked out by Palin. Not a good choice, as you'll see in November. These threads are really quite pointless—those who have the ear of Limbaugh/Beck will vote McCain and everyone else will make up their own minds and vote Obama. Done deal.
If you watch The Simpsons, you will know why this is funny:
More from Glenn Beck's Arguments against Idiots. Enjoy!
The issue: "Sarah Palin"
What the liberal whiners say:
1. 'John McCain just gave us the election! Sarah Palin is NOT ready to be commander in chief, and she's just one heartbeat away from the Presidency!'
2. 'Her experience can't compare to Joe Biden, who has been in the United States Senate for 35 years!'
3. 'And, I see that she's just another gun-toting, war-mongering nutbag, like all the rest of you conservatives!'
4. 'She has a down-syndrome baby...how can she possibly manage her responsibilities as a mother AND vice president?'
5. 'Well, what do you think about her 17 year old daughter getting PREGNANT, not exactly a conservatives dream, is it?
Your winning, logical, reasoned arguments
1. As the chief executive of her state, she is better prepared, and has more experience to bring to the presidency than the man who heads the democratic ticket, who had only a year in the U.S. Senate before he started running for president.
2. I thought Washington was broken and we were looking for change? It seems to me that you can't get much further from Washington than Anchorage, Alaska.
3. Well, this "war-monger" has a son enlisted in the Army who is being deployed to Iraq on September 11th. Now, BOTH members of the Republican ticket now have, or did have sons in this war. I'd say they're pretty heavily invested in it, wouldn't you? Who does Obama have in it? What's HIS military record? I'm sorry, maybe "community organizer" on the South Side of Chicago qualifies?
4. Excuse me? Aren't you the "women can have-it-all" and "do-it-all", people? Now all of a sudden, you're saying she needs to be barefoot and pregnant at home with the kids?
5. I'm sure that's not anyone's dream for their children. But unlike Obama's stance, that if it happens to his daughters, their way out would be abortion because, he "doesn't want them punished with a baby". She is doing the responsible thing...marrying the father, and having the baby. Besides, I'm not sure with Obama's family tree and upbringing the way it is, you really want to get into this discussion.
posted by SillyWabbit on Sep 15, 2008 at 11:39:39 am #
What-do you get talking points from Glenn Beck?? No wonder why you're often on the losing end.
Sarah Palin is irrelevant. John McCain is the real issue. Silly, how do you suppose he can make Bush's tax cuts permanent AND balance the budget as he promised???? He CAN'T do it
Cutting taxes = more money in the pockets of people that actually pay them.
Reformation of the whole income tax system (ie Fair Tax) = eliminates the robbing Americans at gunpoint by the IRS.
More money in the pockets of people = more money to spend = growth in economy.
Bush was a fuck-up in many ways other than just invading Iraq. He should have invaded the IRS and fought for the Fair Tax bill.
I realize that nothing I say is going to matter one bit to you or change your mind, so go ahead and type up your side..and then I'll give mine...and so on and so forth.
There is no winning on either side of the issues. The only way for anyone to win is to meet halfway.
posted by SillyWabbit on Sep 15, 2008 at 01:33:30 pm #
lol...pink
the worst thing you can do right now is be sucked into a irrelevent rhetorical battle with SillyWabbit. They are completely out of touch with what is really happening on a national scale and they continue to push the conservative agenda by using the practices of Jesus. They are fabricators and liars, judge not unless ye be judged. They are no more equipped to maked decisions for our country than an 11 year old. They key will be to convince independents and secessioninsts that this ticket(Obama and Biden) are better than that ticket (McCain and Palin). The only promblem is most independents do not know where to turn because the Neo_cons cry about everything while they represent nothing when it comes to actual change in the governemnt.
Hey jdmsbyrd, You have never had any conversation with me or any of my posted articles - other than to make generalizations and accusations about what you perceive to be my faults or my assumed political persuasions (neither of which you know anything about).
Oh wait a minute....you probably do comment on my stuff under another username. right?
posted by SillyWabbit on Sep 15, 2008 at 01:57:43 pm #
silly.. I have no issue with your faults or percieved political persuasions (other than the party with which you claim to represent). If you want to meet up and discuss your opinions like a man/woman, I would be happy to oblige (sp?). I have no other username, and I have been on this board for a couple of years now, check it jr, I have just remained silent.
However, with this election coming up, I am not going to let you or any other neo-con indoctrinated conservative let your opinions go unchecked. I believe I have met you before and I know where you stand, but if you want to call me out, let's go there. As I have no other username, but nice try wabbit. It is on.
Wow. Where the hell did all those nifty little labels come from? "Out-of-touch... Neocon... indoctrinated conservative... using the agenda of Jesus...fabricators...liars.
Rrrright. I've made myself clear here plenty of times on where I stand and I'm not about to start over just for you because you just dropped in on the conversation to put in your opinion on us (_____see above labels). Grow up hater.
posted by SillyWabbit on Sep 15, 2008 at 03:15:12 pm #
Oops! Forgot to mention that one of YOUR representatives compared Obama to Jesus. m'kay?
Rep. Cohen compares Obama to Jesus and Sarah Palin to Pontius Pilot.
I submit to you, Mr. Speaker, um, that the parties have differences, but if you want Change, but if you want change, you want the Democratic party, uh, Barack Obama was a community organizer like Jesus who our, uh, minister prayed about, uh, Pontius Pilate was a governor.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Pssssst Steve - nice hair dude. By the way, Jesus was a Rabbi not a political hack.
posted by SillyWabbit on Sep 15, 2008 at 03:23:20 pm #
Do we really want this dumb bitch as our president when Mccain dies? Its gonna happen... only ST1D knows the true age of McCain since he's so handy with the carbondating...
According to Palin's faith the husband is supposed to be the decision maker. So won't that make her husband the VP? It explains why she has him sit in on closed door government policy making decisions.
rabbit -- What is the matter? Originally you though I might be another toledo talk member, but now that you see I am not, I am a hater.
Really?? All you have is, [I am not going to retread old arguments] and "grow up hater?"
I don't need you to start over as you are the Kool-aid drinker and I know exactly where you stand.
What? No witty answer to the blatant reference above of comparing your candidate to the Messiah...by one of your own people!
It's hard to avoid the truth, but keep running.
posted by SillyWabbit on Sep 16, 2008 at 07:40:27 am #
We get the point, you don't like Palin. You'd rather elect a guy who belonged to a church for 20 years that was run by an anti-American racist.
The guy who criticizes McCain for being supported by "special interest groups", while he obviously has his http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=613&Itemid=1
Want to learn a little about your hero? Check out this link.
http://www.theobamafile.com/index.htm
posted by JeepMaker on Sep 14, 2008 at 05:43:27 pm #