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Obama-Ayers Fact Check

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/05/fact-check-is-obama-palling-around-with-terrorists/

There is no terrorist link. McCain is a desperate, desperate man.

There was a time when I had great respect for him, even telling my family and friends that he was probably the only Republican I could have voted for. The Palin choice was mind boggling enough. I don't think winking, hip rolling and "Joe Six Pack" are good examples of the dignified behaviour I expect in my elected officials, not to mention the lack of experience factor. McCain took the primitive thinking evangelical base for what they are and played them well with this one.

But to see him stoop to this unfounded desperate boogey man terrorist claim is a ploy to play the non-evangelical primitive thinking undecided voters. McCain thinks voters are basically stupid - that we will believe the last sound bite, especially if it plays to our fears. I see the Republican base in a whole new light - fearful, suspicious and illogical. The same mentality as the mobs that burned witches at the stake in 1690.

created by holland on Oct 09, 2008 at 03:39:53 pm     Comments: 18

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There is none so blind as he who refuses to see.

0bama worked with Ayers, Ayers held a fundraiser for him, they are friends, or at the least aquaintences.-FACT

Ayers was a founding member of the Weathermen Underground, a terrorist group that pulled off a string of bombings in the late 60's. -FACT BTW; they got away with it due to alleged FBI misconduct.

0bama has a number of shady friends. His pastor for 20 years is a racist and anti american.
Another of his friends and political mentors Tony Rezko has already been convicted of multiple felonies.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/124171,CST-NWS-obama05.article

posted by JeepMaker on Oct 09, 2008 at 04:11:54 pm     #



Lulz. Such a tool you are.

McCain takes donations from people on Ayers board, did ya know that? I guess they are all guilty!

And Obama is still going to win, even with all that scary illegal activity in his past.

posted by Ryan on Oct 09, 2008 at 04:27:08 pm     #



They're both politicians. They both have shady acquaintances.

posted by JJFad on Oct 09, 2008 at 04:34:50 pm     #



Face it you liberal twits, if Obama wins the election, he an Ayers will blow up the Capital. That has always been the plan. It is as clear as day.

posted by thetoledowire_com on Oct 09, 2008 at 04:50:02 pm     #



A confirmed terrorist, and a convicted one, are NOT "shady characters", IMO. And McCain is going to win, thanks to obamabomber Ayers.

posted by CharlieA-Z on Oct 09, 2008 at 04:50:25 pm     #



No doubt. It didn't work before but the Third time is a charm. Don't look at poll numbers.

posted by thetoledowire_com on Oct 09, 2008 at 04:57:39 pm     #



Who confirmed Ayers is a terrorist? I know he started the group, but because he started it doesn't make him a terrorist? If it does, then Jesus is a really bad man!

posted by JJFad on Oct 09, 2008 at 05:05:24 pm     #



Yeah, the economy is crumbling, McCain has responded erratically. His health plan is a mess, but Obama once knew a guy who did some bad things when Barack was 8 years old.

posted by thetoledowire_com on Oct 09, 2008 at 06:27:56 pm     #



It makes me deliriously happy that the McCain campaign is so hopeless that they trot out this lame connection again.

posted by joshwoodward on Oct 09, 2008 at 06:30:19 pm     #



Angry and emotional lulz.

Never gets old.

Wasn't McCain bombing civilians when he got shot down? Oopsies.

posted by charlatan on Oct 09, 2008 at 06:43:39 pm     #



Classy Charlatan, very classy. Tell me, do you always disrespect those that have fought for your country?
you don't deserve to live in this country.

posted by JeepMaker on Oct 09, 2008 at 09:14:02 pm     #



Don't you get that post Charlie Brown?

If America was filled with jeepmakers Canada would be very very crowded.

posted by Ryan on Oct 09, 2008 at 09:26:36 pm     #



You ALL (liberals/ haters )liked McPain and said you'd probably even vote for him way back a few years ago-as did all of the media and much of hollyweird...UNTIL, of course, he actually got the noomination. LOL Now, suddenly, he's become the anti-Christ (still has that "R" behind his name), and all are for the great messiah, the Magic Negro.

posted by Darkseid on Oct 09, 2008 at 10:15:11 pm     #



talk about hatred. So lame.

posted by transcom on Oct 10, 2008 at 04:25:11 am     #



Magic Negro? Wow.

And 2000-era McCain shares only the same skin with 2008-era McCain. Everything else has been sold out.

posted by joshwoodward on Oct 10, 2008 at 06:41:49 am     #



Yikes... can't exactly back-peddle out of that racist comment with ease, can you...

posted by toledolen on Oct 10, 2008 at 11:35:27 am     #



The term "Magic Negro" become "popular" in politics at least 18 months ago.

March 2007 Toledo Talk posting titled Barack Obama: The Magic Negro that referenced a March 2007 LA Times opinion pieced titled Obama the 'Magic Negro' that referenced a Wikipedia article titled Magical negro that seems to have been first created in March 2004.

posted by jr on Oct 10, 2008 at 12:28:47 pm     #



Excerpts from a Hillary Clinton vs Barack Obama debate where the moderator asked Obama about Ayers :

STEPHANOPOULOS: And, Senator [Obama], if you get the nomination, you'll have to beat back these distractions.

And I want to give Senator Clinton a chance to respond, but first a follow-up on this issue, general theme of patriotism, in your relationships. A gentleman named William Ayers. He was part of the Weather Underground in the 1970s. They bombed the Pentagon, the Capitol, and other buildings. He's never apologized for that.

And, in fact, on 9/11, he was quoted in the New York Times saying, "I don't regret setting bombs. I feel we didn't do enough." An early organizing meeting for your State Senate campaign was held at his house and your campaign has said you are "friendly."

Can you explain that relationship for the voters and explain to Democrats why it won't be a problem?


OBAMA: George, but this is an example of what I'm talking about. This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who's a professor of English in Chicago who I know and who I have not received some official endorsement from. He's not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis.

And the notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8 years old, somehow reflects on me and my values doesn't make much sense, George.

The fact is that I'm also friendly with Tom Coburn, one of the most conservative Republicans in the United States Senate, who, during his campaign, once said that it might be appropriate to apply the death penalty to those who carried out abortions.

Do I need to apologize for Mr. Coburn's statements? Because I certainly don't agree with those, either.

So this kind of game in which anybody who I know, regardless of how flimsy the relationship is, that somehow their ideas could be attributed to me, I think the American people are smarter than that. They're not going to suggest somehow that that is reflective of my views, because it obviously isn't.


CLINTON: Well, I think that is a fair general statement, but I also believe that Senator Obama served on a board with Mr. Ayers for a period of time, the Woods Foundation, which was a paid directorship position.

And, if I'm not mistaken, that relationship with Mr. Ayers on this board continued after 9/11 and after his reported comments, which were deeply hurtful to people in New York and, I would hope, to every American, because they were published on 9/11, and he said that he was just sorry they hadn't done more.

And what they did was set bombs. And in some instances, people died. So it is -- I think it is, again, an issue that people will be asking about.

And I have no doubt -- I know Senator Obama's a good man and I respect him greatly, but I think that this is an issue that certainly the Republicans will be raising.

And it goes to this larger set of concerns about how we are going to run against John McCain. You know, I wish the Republicans would apologize for the disaster of the Bush-Cheney years and not run anybody, just say that it's time for the Democrats to go back into the White House.

Unfortunately, they don't seem to be willing to do that. So we know that they're going to be out there, full force.

And, you know, I've been in this arena for a long time. I have a lot of baggage, and everybody has rummaged through it for years.

And so, therefore, I have an opportunity to come to this campaign with a very strong conviction and feeling that I will be able to withstand whatever the Republicans send our way.


OBAMA: Look, I'm going to have to respond to this just really quickly, but by Senator Clinton's own vetting standards, I don't think she would make it, since President Clinton pardoned or commuted the sentences of two members of the Weather Underground, which I think is a slightly more significant act than me serving on a board with somebody for actions that he did 40 years ago.

Look, there is no doubt, that the Republicans will attack either of us. What I've been able to display during the course of this primary, is that I can take a punch. I've taken some pretty good ones from Senator Clinton.

And I don't begrudge her of that. That's part of what the political contest is about. I am looking forward to having a debate with John McCain. And I think every poll indicates that I am doing just as well, if not better, in pulling together the coalition that will defeat John McCain.

posted by jr on Oct 10, 2008 at 12:44:11 pm     #