What do you think happened to this child among this cast of "persons of interests", or is it somthing less sinister?
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The reality is that the chances of a stranger snatching her in broad daylight in front of her home are very remote. I suspect that someone who at least had a passing acquaintance with Neveah and/or her family was involved.
Jun 4, 2009 Toledo Blade tweet George Kennedy speaks out from jail about missing Nevaeh Buchanan that points to Jun 4 Blade story
Jun 3, 2009 story :
Police are continuing to follow tips that now have exceeded 800. In the last scheduled press briefing, Monroe County Sheriff Tilman Crutchfield said the task force is looking to question as witnesses the occupants of two vans in the area of Hollywood Elementary School the day the 5-year-old disappeared. He said investigators are looking for a green, box-style minivan and a silver minivan that was occupied by a woman and two small children. They were believed to be in the vicinity between 6 and 7 p.m. when Nevaeh was last seen riding a friend's scooter 10 days ago.Investigators also questioned the driver of an ice cream truck that was in the area, but Sheriff Crutchfield declined to reveal any details. The sheriff added that a final scheduled press briefing is not an indication that the investigation has stalled.
"The reality is that the chances of a stranger snatching her in broad daylight in front of her home are very remote."
Children & Nature Network contains a PDF report titled A Report on the Movement to Reconnect Children to the Natural World which states:
Of all of these barriers, fear of stranger danger is the most insidious barrier that the children and nature movement must confront. But how real are the reasons for that fear?
- There is always a delay in reporting study findings by the agencies that track crimes, so caution is advised in interpretation, but public fear of stranger abductions does seem to outdistance the risk.
- Child abductions by strangers are, in fact, rare. By a wide margin, family members, not strangers, are the most common abductors. Nationwide, between 200 and 300 children were abducted by strangers in 1988, compared to 115 children in 1999, according to the National Incidence Study on Missing, Abducted, Runaway, and Thrownaway Children in America, released in 2002.
- By 2005, the rates of violent crimes against young people had fallen to well below 1975 levels, according to the 2007 Duke University Child and Well-Being Index. The authors of the report state: “The most disturbing finding” of the Index is not violence or abductions, but “that children's health has sunk to its lowest point in the 30-year history of the Index, driven largely by an alarming rise in the number of children who are obese and a smaller decline in child mortality rates than achieved in recent years.”
- This is not to say that risk from strangers is nonexistent. One abduction is too many. Some neighborhoods are truly dangerous, particularly in inner cities, and that reality must be addressed before full access to nearby nature is possible. But the general risk must be weighed against the enormous health risks of childhood obesity and other factors associated with a sedentary lifestyle.
While our generalized feelings of fear about stranger danger may be exaggerated by constant media coverage of a relatively few crimes, societal fear is not going to go away.In most neighborhoods, the perception of stranger danger is greater than the reality. The movement can help parents and other caregivers to teach children to watch for behaviors, not necessarily strangers. According to family psychologist John Rosemond, “telling a child to stay away from strangers is relatively ineffective. ‘Stranger’ is not a concept young children understand easily. Instead, children ought to be taught to be on the lookout for specific threatening behaviors and situations.” This view is supported by the U.S. Department of Justice.
hmmmm, 5 year old playing alone in apartment parking lot at 6:30pm without socks or shoes and no supervision.
Grandmother was crying on camera, mother showed no emotion, and father looks like a punk who is playing to media.
Sad for child. Hug your kid(s) tonight and be thankful.
I just have a few thoughts about this case and sex-offenders.
Why did the authorities release the details of the items that were taken from the hotel room, where Mr. Kennedy was staying ? Items like the bloody knife, towel, fishing weights, bloody shorts, etc.
Why would they release such details, during an on-going investigation, before they even had a chance to analyze the items in a crime lab ?
And a comment here, about sexual offenders / sexual predators. Would it be possible for authorities to outfit a convicted child rapist or child molester, who is on parole or who has completed their prison sentence, with an ankle bracelet ?
And I'm not talking about an ankle bracelet for 90-days or 6-months. I think anyone who is ever convicted of abusing a child in such a manner, should be required to wear some sort of ankle bracelet or monitoring device, for an entire 20 years, upon their release or parole from prison.
I think society needs to start getting tougher with these criminals. I just think they should be out-fitted with some kind of device, for 20 years, that will track their every move. A monitoring device, that will allow authorities to know the whereabouts of every single child molester / child rapist, at any given time.
Then if 1 of these creeps thinks about doing something like they did in the past, they know their monitor will give them away.
Some liberal-minded people might think 20 years would be harsh, but I think the majority of people would be in favor of such a measure.
I'm one liberal-minded individual that doesn't think 20 years is too harsh, and is offended that you would toss in such a comment in this thread.
And I'm not talking about an ankle bracelet for 90-days or 6-months. I think anyone who is ever convicted of abusing a child in such a manner, should be required to wear some sort of ankle bracelet or monitoring device, for an entire 20 years, upon their release or parole from prison
A bullet to the head would be more fitting.
This story is so sad. I have a 5-year-old and a 7-year-old, and yes, I am concerned about letting them walk to school (two blocks away), simply because of incidents like this and the Madeleine McCann case. How do you balance letting your kids have some freedom, with all the reports you hear on the news? Intellectually, I know that there is a greater awareness of stranger danger than when I was a child, that things are in fact safer now. And yet, every night since Nevaeh's disappearance, I have found myself sneaking into my 5-year-old's room to give her just one more kiss goodnight.
Children spending less time in natual areas, "playing in the woods" is so terribly sad. The countless hours I spent as a kid knocking around in the woods and on the small inland lake where I was raised shaped who I am today. Today's children will not know the joys, excitement and wonder of the natural world. Nor will they value it. They are being deprived and they will in turn deprive future generations.
Some folks are fighting back against this overly protective parenting:
That's a great web site and a great idea. What a nation of wusses we're raising our kids to be. At about age 8 I got sent out the front door in the morning in the summer and was expected to entertain myself. My brother's and I BB guns were usually propped up in the corner next to the door. The boat, complete with 5 horse outboard motor was tied to the dock. Dad's only adminition was that if we horsed around and broke the shear pin it could be a long swim back. A couple of times it was. Reading books was the only allowed indoor activity. Summers at the lake were absolutely priceless.
The search may be over. They've been searching this afternoon in an area near where I played regularly as a little kid. Damn...hopefully the reports I've heard are wrong.
(The area is near the Ida-Maybee Rd and Dixon Rd intersection. I have family who lives near there, and that area has been being searched all afternoon.)
June 4, 2009 MonroeNews.com story from a few minutes ago confirms what mom2 said:
At 7:01 p.m., a commenter to the above story was told by someone who works in law enforcement that a body was pulled from the river but no mention of an identification.
A couple conflicting comments just after 7:00 p.m. today in the monroetalks.com message board thread which is barely responding due to a high volume of traffic:
- "news didnt say anything about any body" - 7:04 p.m.
- "I am so unbelievably heartbroken. . .I can confirm they called the volunteer searchers back." - 7:05 p.m.
- "Live shot from a Channel 7 helicopter just show crews searching along and in the river 3 miles east of Dundee. Nothing found but still looking." - 7:06 p.m.
Detroit News story :
Twitter search on #Nevaeh :
" 13abc : BREAKING NEWS: Monroe, MI: Crime scene investigators have erected a tent and it appears that they are set up for the long term."
A few more comments from monroetalks.com:
- "Today at 07:29:21 PM - i heard they're telling the news heli's to clear the area that doesn't sound good at all."
- "Today at 07:34:39 PM - my daughter is with the family right now and she has informed me the police called them and wants the family together right now. the police are on their way to talk to them."
- "Today at 07:42:31 PM - Evidence experts were preparing late Thursday to examine a body that searchers discovered that had clothing similar to what Nevaeh was wearing when she disappeared from her Monroe home on May 24, a person familiar with the investigation said"
The Detroit News is reporting that there was definitely a body found, but no positive ID has been released yet.
I've not seen any other news media reporting a definite body yet.
(I have family members in law enforcement in Monroe County - wish I could touch base with them, but I'm sure they are far too busy sorting all of this out. So sad.)
monroetalks.com : "Today at 08:01:42 PM - my sister just called and the Sheriff told the searchers at K-Mart, its her."
Channel 7 WXYZ Detroit has also reported a child's body. Damn...I was hoping the other news article was a false report. :(
Who could do something like that to a child? I have a 5 year old daughter, and I cannot even begin to imagine.
The area where they found her is also where the Delta Comair flight crashed in Monroe County in 1997. Perhaps they can add a memorial to the site for that poor baby. :(
A comment at Monroe-Unfiltered.com :
I am at kmarts and they called off the search. They said they found her in the river west of raisinville towards dundee.
Detroit Free Press article stating that fishermen found a suspicious cement block this morning.
Apparently that's where the tip came from?
8:41 p.m. MonroeNews.com story titled Body found confirmed by family to be Nevaeh's
From that Detroit Free Press story:
A 9:15 p.m. 13abc tweet states:
Yet, the MonroeNews.com story from 8:41 p.m. says:
9:23 p.m. WTOL story states :
The girl went missing on May 24.
On June 3, a $20,000 reward was offered "for information that leads investigators to the little girl."
On June 4, the body was found by two fishermen.
9:44 p.m. 13abc tweet
I can tell you this much, being fairly familiar with the immediate area where she was found.
Whoever put her there had some sort of connection to that spot. (Perhaps is a fisherman who goes there regularly? Or someone who lives in/once lived in a nearby home?)
That location is nowhere near where she disappeared from. The person who dumped her body had to deliberately take her there, and its not a well-known or obvious location for someone not familiar with the area. Its not the kind of spot you'd find by just randomly driving around after snatching her from her apartment building.
My thoughts and prayers to the family of this little girl.
One of the commenters on either MonroeTalks.com or MonroeNews.com said the spot is isolated but well-known to fishermen.
George Kennedy is apparently a fisherman. From today's Blade story :
Kennedy said there was blood in the motel room because he cut himself shaving and blood was left in the room after his girlfriend, Ms. Gray, bled after getting a tattoo. He said that he cut himself with the multiknife while fishing several days before Nevaeh vanished and may have left blood on it.
Accident-prone. All a coincidence, I guess.
Here's the comment in the monroenews.com thread :
Interesting that he is a fisherman.
He also has a connection to Maybee. (The body was found near where Dundee/Maybee/Monroe all border each other.)
Sure, it could be someone else. Apparently this Kennedy guy has verifiable alibis for the time frame when she SUPPOSEDLY disappeared. (including videotape of him at a store/gas station)
But if the mom was part of a cover-up, perhaps she went actually went missing at a different time?
Whoever did this needs to be caught swiftly and punished severely. And they need to catch all parties involved.
jr - exactly! That spot is just not a place you'd know unless you had been there before.
(The Monroe website must be flooded with web traffic - I'm having trouble connecting to it.)
Again, just a coincidence ...
From that June 4, 2009 Blade story :
Would that be the Motel 7 located at 15390 South Dixie Highway, Monroe, MI 48161?
Again, the news this evening said the body was encased in concrete.
A commenter on one of those Monroe sites alleged that a cement company existed near or behind the Motel 7 that Kennedy was staying at. MonroeTalks.com is not responding, so I cannot find the comment to confirm what the person said.
This image is from a Google map. The blue pin is suppose to be the location of the Motel 7.
Click on the map link I provided. Then click on the red push pin on the map, which is suppose to be Motel 7. Then click "search nearby" and enter the word "concrete".
According to Google's search results, Kuhlman Concrete Inc is located in the construction-looking site to the lower right of the motel in the image below.
Here's a better link to a Google map that contains the locations of the motel and the concrete company.
Or use the interactive, embedded map below.
The comment I was looking for was in the MonroeNews.com thread :
-- Posted by rumrunner on Thu, Jun 4, 2009, 8:52 pm
And a similar comment was in the MonroeTalks.com thread :
13abc tweet from about an hour ago:
Listen to this comment James Easter allegedly made to authorities, when interrogators asked him how he thought the girl was abducted. --Notice the reference to Kit-Kat Candy.
Seriously... What kind of person would think up something like that ?
From a Detroit Paper:
Earlier Thursday, a 64-year-old man, who a district judge said has been cleared as a person of interest in the girl's disappearance, said he was held by interrogators for 12 hours, answering questions such as "How do you think they did it?"
James Easter said he made a mistake by answering that question outright, claiming that if he was the one who had abducted Nevaeh on May 24, he would have "took my vehicle behind the nail salon nearby and called to her with a Kit Kat."
Jun 3, 2009 Toledo Blade story about Easter:
After being dropped after questioning, Mr. Easter said he went into his duplex, peeked outside to make sure they were gone, and waited about 10 minutes to go outside to start a fire in a pit in the backyard. “I happened to gather some of the receipts because they were through looking at them,” and because he wanted to have a little fire in his fire ring, he decided to burn them inside a TV dinner box, he said.“I did not think much of it,” he added. Within minutes, authorities arrived in his backyard, put out the fire, and took Mr. Easter into custody.
Burning receipts minutes after being let go by authorities. One commenter on MonroeTalks.com theorized that maybe Easter was burning receipts that were for the purchase of concrete.
If you stayed in a motel next to a concrete company, like Kennedy did, maybe it would be easy enough to steal the concrete.
I'm guessing crime scene investigators can determine if the concrete was mixed and poured at the river or elsewhere. The latter would mean it would be a heavy mass for one person to carry.
I wonder if dry concrete mix dust was found on any of Kennedy's belongings.
I'm still stuck on "encased in concrete." I hadn't seen much news today, so reading here at TT was the first I heard of that.
That is astonishing. And very unusual. Not something your average everyday child-killer would do, do you think?
I have a strong feeling that the authorities are going to identify the killer, and I bet it won't take long at all. If the person involved is not already sitting in jail, they will be by Saturday. I really think so.
God bless that poor child.
Sheriff's press conference concluded a few minutes ago.
- helpfindnevaeh Sheriff: body in appearance seems to be the same size, age and sex as #Nevaeh, they reasonably suspect that this is #Nevaeh. Autopsy 2day.
- helpfindnevaeh Sheriff: "We have reasonable suspicion that this was the body of Neveah." No word on suspects.
- 13abc Monroe sheriff: reasonable to suspect that body found along River Rasin is that of #Nevaeh Buchanan, age 5. Focus now is finding suspect.
One of my employees thinks that the mother is involved somehow or had some knowledge.
• The mother did not appear on TV to plead for her return.
• The mother was not the cutodian.
• The cement being on the bank instead of in the river where all evidence would probably be washed away indicates a type of memorial that someone may have wanted to come back and visit.
The people who found the body (encased in concrete) an subsequently called 911, said it took almost 2 hours for the Police to arrive.
What took so long ?
Yeah, wtf would it take two hours when someone called and said they found what appeared to be a body?
Yes, I was baffled by that myself, at first.
Then I realized that police have been getting so many leads -- hundreds of them, and some have probably been people calling in with random BS either out of paranoia or the need to "do something" to help. Some people also phone in leads as a hoax, I don't know why, but some people are "dumases." Still, the authorities probably followed up on every single one that had an ounce of plausibility. That takes time, only to find out later that much of that time probably was a waste, a dead end.
You'd think that if the fishermen described everything accurately, the police would've hustled their butts to the scene immediately. But they may have been following other leads that sounded extremely credible at the same time. I am sure there is a protocol for evaluating and prioritizing leads, and assigning them to officers for follow-through. That in itself takes some time and organization if you are dealing with a lot of leads simultaneously. Two hours DOES seem like an excessively long time to respond, but personally I'm going to give the authorities the benefit of the doubt that they were doing their jobs to the best of their abilities. Maybe someone made the wrong judgment call on prioritization, but that's why they call them judgment calls.
It's definitely not as bad as that little girl down in Florida that was found several months ago, Caylee Anthony. Some city worker had to call the police twice or three times over a period of MONTHS before anyone took him seriously and actually checked out the lead, and found the body.
I agree with Trilby's employee. The mother referred to Nevaeh as "the kid" or "my kid" on TV, not by her name. This connotes to me that she did not completely think of her child as a unique person, but as an "it." In addition, she was quoted as saying she hoped that her sex offender buddies wouldn't be angry with her for bringing this police scrutiny on them and landing them in jail. WTF?
I think jmleong's post is right on the money. They'll get a quick ID on the type and source of the cement. There's likely DNA from the murderer somewhere on that angels body. A quick PCR test for DNA and whammo - the perpetrator's toast.
Mom doesn't give me a lot of warm and fuzzy's. She might not have caused the childs' death directly but I wouldn't be surprised at all if there was some involvement in the coverup.
I'm betting the entire family is involved with this in some way. These low life people look and act guilty. I think the cops will figure it out in time, but unfortunately there's no death penalty in Michigan. I guess you really have to keep tabs on kids when they're around the dregs of society.
The entire family? I certainly don't discount the possibility that someone from the family was involved or at least knows more than they are saying, but why would you say the entire family looks and acts guilty?
Is it because they are lower class and present themselves as not particularly well educated? Those things might make some people uncouth, but they don't necessarily make them guilty.
I trust the police and the FBI to do their jobs -- they'll tell us what happened and who did it. I think in any child murder, the authorities have to look very closely at the parents. In this case, the fact that the child's parents were estranged, neither had custody, and at least one of them has a criminal record and hangs out with other criminals, does not help them avoid suspicion at all. On the other hand, until there is evidence to the contrary, IMO all the family members are victims in this tragedy.
I especially feel sorry for the grandmother. My guess is she became custodian when her daughter went to jail, in order to keep Nevaeh from going into foster care. This is becoming common enough that there are actually support and advocacy groups out there for grandparents who are raising their children's children. Many of them don't especially WANT to be doing this nor do they have the resources for it; but they step in because they think it's best for the child or children to remain with family and/or they feel it's their responsibility to do so.
So I certainly would not say the entire family looks or acts guilty. The grandmother, in particular, seems to have a history of trying to do her best for Nevaeh.
someone suggested a ankle monitoring device another suggested a bullet to the head, lets compromise and give them a chastity belt, with a high explosive lock. remove it yourself at your own peril.
I hope whatever sub-human piece of garbage did this tries to fight capture when the cops catch up to him.....just enough to get shot several...............dozen times.
Linecrosser, the chastity belt things sounds good. However I wouldn't want to be standing next to that guy if he suddenly decides he's had enough.
First, the grandmother was raising the kid, correct? In my book, as long as the parents are not dead or severely handicapped, this makes the parents uncaring and irresponsible. This is the new, disturbing trend. The younger generation lies around with whoever and breeds, and then dump the kids on the grandparents just like an unwanted puppy if they want to continue their wayward lifestyle.
Second, according to media reports it seems like every "boyfriend" the mother has was a sex offender. Wow, what a class act!
Why didn't they just tattoo a red bull's eye on that poor little girl's forehead so it would be even easier for the local perverts to find her?
It's amazing that poor little girl made it to five years old.
Jun 8, 2009 - Monroe Evening News - Latest Developments in Nevaeh case :
Jun 9, 2009 - Toledo Blade - Nevaeh's family's wait for DNA tests likely to be longer :
Sheriff Crutchfield said yesterday that there were no visual signs of trauma or injury to the body, such as bruises, gunshot or stab wounds, broken bones, or injury from strangulation. To identify the body, investigators will rely on DNA testing instead of dental records or using visual identification. Nevaeh's father, Shane Hinojosa, said he was told that his daughter had never been to a dentist so teeth X-rays were not available to investigators to assist in the identification process.Convicted sex offenders George Kennedy and Roy Smith, both of whom were arrested after Nevaeh's disappearance on parole violations and questioned, have been sent to the Charles Egeler Reception and Guidance Center in Jackson. John Cordell, prison spokesman, said both men admitted to the parole violations they were accused of and recommendations for their return to prison were made by their parole officers. Those decisions were supported by parole violation specialists.
Question, how badly or fast can a body decompose to the point where positive visual ID is impossible. She was only missing for a week+. Can the body decompose that quickly?
This entire case just makes me sick. Did anyone see the mom on Nancy Grace? I watched the clip online and read that she (the mom) walked out of the interview during a commercial break. Guess she couldn't take the questions. I'm not saying I'm a fan of Nancy Grace, but if you make a decision to expose your child to sex offenders you should be able to stand the heat when asked about it.
Video of #Nevaeh's mom walking off the Nancy [Grace] show - http://is.gd/UEUJ
Comment at MonroeTalks.com:
[Nancy Grace] contradicts herself constantly in an attempt to try and get people to say what her audience wants to hear.
Jun 9, 2009 - Detroit News - Nevaeh's family 'devastated' at confirmation of body
The mother should be punished for neglect. Why did she leave her daughter alone, for any amount of time.
Jul 14, 2009 - Monroe News - Autopsy: Nevaeh may have been buried alive
Jul 15, 2009 - Detroit News story :
This just keeps getting sadder and sadder. How can any one human do such dastardly thing to a helpless, innocent, little girl? What must have been going through her mind as she struggled to breath? How scared she must have been. This amounts to torture, then murder. When the find and convict the guilty party, they should waterboard he/she but don't stop when carrying out their death penalty.