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One Million My Arse!

More like 60 to 70,000.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/protest-crowd-size-estimate-falsely-attributed-abc-news/story?id=8558055

The right wing nuts just can not deal with facts.

created by holland on Sep 14, 2009 at 06:19:45 pm     Politics     Comments: 33

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One of them there wing nuts was on SPEDY this AM claiming it had to have been closer to 2MM! LOL! He also commented how nice everyone was and how they left the place very clean. WTF?

Conservatives are down right perfect!

posted by Ryan on Sep 14, 2009 at 06:49:04 pm     #  

And they all have 12" c*cks too...

posted by SensorG on Sep 14, 2009 at 07:20:15 pm     #  

Something's drgging the ground, but I thought it was their knuckles.

posted by holland on Sep 14, 2009 at 07:52:55 pm     #  

Touche you two!

posted by Ryan on Sep 14, 2009 at 07:59:28 pm     #  

It is yor monet we are wasting guys...so laugh all the way to the bank...More power to the TEA Parties

posted by gunz1 on Sep 14, 2009 at 08:03:54 pm     #  

Money...Sorry Monet is an artist

posted by gunz1 on Sep 14, 2009 at 08:04:32 pm     #  

It's all about change, right? When you clear the fog from your eyes, don't blame me. I didn't vote for the bastard.

posted by wishiniwasfishin on Sep 14, 2009 at 08:17:10 pm     #  

Hey if denying facts makes your pathetic, kool aid drinking self feel good, go for it.

http://tiny.cc/0TgxC

posted by JeepMaker on Sep 14, 2009 at 08:38:46 pm     #  

i love the attempts to belittle and marginalize the protests; it ends up serving as great motivation.

are the nutjobs? sure, but no more than any seiu rally or moveon.org function. i bet there's alot less of them than in acorn.

keep it up, especially the clever name-calling. the tea-bagging jokes are the best.....you twits.

posted by Postal on Sep 14, 2009 at 09:03:12 pm     #  

The left wing news source of Fox News has it at 10's of thousands.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/12/tea-party-express-arrives-march-washington-protest-government-spending/

"The tens of thousands of protesters marched to the U.S. Capitol chanting various slogans and waving posters that voiced a rather broad array of grievances against big government and the leaders, particularly President Obama, who the protesters blame for its size and scope."

posted by SensorG on Sep 14, 2009 at 09:04:02 pm     #  

also, if you're going to make cracks about the supposedly high estimates, make the same type of comments about the crazy low numbers in much of the media.

most early reports listed the protest with only "thousands" and/or "scores" in attendance.

posted by Postal on Sep 14, 2009 at 09:07:33 pm     #  

Time for Jeepmaker to learn some new words. Kool Aid and Messiah are so 5 minutes ago.
But I know that makes you feel superior, even though nobody looks at Obama as a messiah and nobody has drank the Kool Aid. Whatever makes you feel better about your "party".

posted by Ryan on Sep 14, 2009 at 09:15:35 pm     #  

Holland,
Does the partisan name calling have to continue?

Stop playing the party politics people! It's exactly what the f-ing politicians want you to do. Uggh!

posted by Ahuvia on Sep 14, 2009 at 09:16:29 pm     #  

Did you get the tingling feeling when he addressed congress?

posted by Linecrosser on Sep 14, 2009 at 09:18:30 pm     #  

posted by Ahuvia on Sep 14, 2009 at 09:19:22 pm     #  

There's an old saying "never talk about religion or politics at work" now I see why. Amazed at how passionate people are about these topics, which is a good thing.

For me, yes I voted for Obama I have faith in him and what he is doing. I might be wrong and after a couple years when everything has a chance to soak we'll see the true grasp of what has gone on.

So till then I have no desire to bash anyone on either side for their personal beliefs in this system. If it works out well, then great I'm glad he did his job well and we all benefit. If he fails, then I'll admit it and will use it as a learning experience come next election.

In the end I don't care who's right or wrong, I just want to see this country survive.

posted by INeedCoffee on Sep 14, 2009 at 09:27:48 pm     #  

I'm good with that. But I'm long past putting up with people who can't or won't accept truth or facts.

posted by holland on Sep 14, 2009 at 09:38:13 pm     #  

Holland truth can be about perspective, you can believe what you want to believe but that doesn't necessarily make it the truth.

posted by Linecrosser on Sep 14, 2009 at 11:04:38 pm     #  

I think that's the point I'm trying to make here. The truth is simply the truth. It shouldn't matter if it fits your personal belief system or not. If the truth conflicts with your personal belief system maybe there's something wrong with the belief. Don't bend, deny or twist the truth to fit your beliefs. Worst of all is "makin stuff up" to support your beliefs. Eventually it will be your downfall.

posted by holland on Sep 14, 2009 at 11:18:20 pm     #  

So how many do you think were at the march?

posted by Linecrosser on Sep 14, 2009 at 11:19:22 pm     #  

ABC claims ( in a news report I saw on TV ) that the numbers they reported were given to them from the Washington DC fire department. So, I accept that, having no reason to suspect the Washington DC Fire Department would under report. Also some of the comparative photos I've seen about the controversy contrasting the inaugeration, the Million Man March and Saturday's event really do depict a much, much smaller crowd Saturday. For me, it is 60 - to 70,000 in attendance.

posted by holland on Sep 14, 2009 at 11:36:11 pm     #  

lulz

"I've seen bigger crowds at Montreal Expos games, but I still wouldn't fake a photo just to justify your predictions of millions descending on Washington," said one gleeful Democratic media strategist. "This is grade-A stupid and just plays into the argument that these were astroturf protests to begin with..."

Tea Party Activists Spreading Fake Photo Showing Big Crowd

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/14/912-tea-party-photo-false_n_286082.html

posted by toledolen on Sep 15, 2009 at 12:33:30 am     #  

i cannot believe how many times i've seen that fake photo posted today on different message boards / facebook / flickr etc... the extremists are getting desperate.

posted by upso on Sep 15, 2009 at 01:52:54 am     #  

I did more research based on the input from all of you here.

Yes, the photo is a fake. That's a fact.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/sep/14/tea-party-photo-shows-large-crowd-different-event/

One fact that's still being ignored is the press ignoring the reasons for the rally. It's now turned into a "battle of the blogs" between Left & Right. That has got to stop. We've got to stop calling each other names.

posted by Ahuvia on Sep 15, 2009 at 08:39:01 am     #  

"I think that's the point I'm trying to make here. The truth is simply the truth."

Holland: I agree with you. In a ideal world the truth would be easy to access and be unbias. Unfortunately it's extremely hard to find out the hard raw numbers or truth in anything. Media is just an extension of someone's believes bent toward the truth. Then people use that as their "truth" then bend it even further to their ideals.

Sad reality is, unless you are there or have a direct link to what is really happening by the time you hear/read something it's pretty slanted and hard to figure out.

The best thing I've tried to do is read various sources from the left, right, and upside down :) and try to find something common or in the middle that may be the truth.

Just my idea of how part of this world works.

posted by INeedCoffee on Sep 15, 2009 at 06:32:00 pm     #  

To be more on topic, I think the people at the event have at least one valid concern. They don't want to pay more taxes to help everyone have health insurance (or my understanding).

All of the other crap like bashing the president, and the bulk of the signs I read are meaningless to me. That's just ranting and it's their right even if I don't agree with it.

So far I've enjoyed reading what I can find of the proposed bill, and with my 1 voice or vote I'm saying I agree with it. Just my choice.

posted by INeedCoffee on Sep 15, 2009 at 06:34:30 pm     #  

The best folks on earth are those who try to objectively sort out fact from fiction and make an informed decision based on the best evidence they can find from all sources.

posted by holland on Sep 15, 2009 at 07:51:11 pm     #  

Sadly, alot of people think Fox News is that source.

posted by Ryan on Sep 15, 2009 at 08:01:10 pm     #  

I wouldn't put them in the best evidence column.

posted by holland on Sep 15, 2009 at 08:08:47 pm     #  

"The best folks on earth are those who try to objectively sort out fact from fiction and make an informed decision based on the best evidence they can find from all sources."

Sounds like a life goal holland and that's how I try to live. However there is a downside. Trying to find the truth is like dividing by 0. You start to explode toward infinity pretty quickly. Meaning it's hard to make a decision about anything, or react accordingly.

Guess that's where morals and self views come in. Even if you try to be fair and balanced there's a point where you have to say "ok I may not be 100% informed or 100% accurate but after this long I feel confident this as close as I can get".

posted by INeedCoffee on Sep 16, 2009 at 12:32:37 am     #  

Good for you. Most folks don't even make the effort. They just believe who ever shouts the loudest and the longest. Life has taught me to be really suspicious of strident arguments and to look closely at the stake holders. Who has the most to lose? Who has the most to gain? Who pays?

posted by holland on Sep 16, 2009 at 08:46:51 am     #  

On another local site (swampbubbles) someone posted his facts from the Daily Show...

posted by billy on Sep 16, 2009 at 09:10:01 am     #  

That's a good one. Where did Stewart get his facts from?

posted by holland on Sep 16, 2009 at 11:48:15 am     #