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Another downtown watering hole bites the dust...Easy Street Bar.

I was just told by one of their employees that tonight is their last night.

Someone listening to some of you guys around here would be fooled into believing the downtown Toledo bar scene was part of a thriving metropolis.

There still are a few more downtown watering holes that are circling the bowl.

Easy come, easy go.

Not to worry, the Chinese are here checkbook in hand.

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I wish Tin Cup was just faking it - unfortunately they were not.

As far as paying to skip - Only M'Osteria offers it. But the ID Checkers gladly accepted it at Tin Cup and let us in. I am sure they would have done the same at any bar - free money for them.

posted by Xbuckeyex on Jan 29, 2018 at 11:37:40 am     #  

Help end this foolish debate: Its pronounced "M"-"osteria" correct? Or is is pronounced "Mosteria". And its "Oh-steria" not "Ost-a-ree-a"

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Jan 29, 2018 at 11:47:55 am     #  

It's "M - OH steh REE uh," but he really complicated it by putting an unnecessary and unpronounced apostrophe between the M and Osteria, which makes people think it's a blended "MOST" sound. An Osteria is essentially the Italian word for / version of a bistro or pub.

posted by Johio83 on Jan 29, 2018 at 12:03:46 pm     #   1 person liked this

Ah....go figure....Ive been calling it M-Oh-stare-ia. Sure enuff.....its
M-Osta-ree-uh.. Thanks for the tip. Now if we can get the rest of the Toledo metro area corrected, Giammarco should provide us with free pizzas for a year:>)

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Jan 29, 2018 at 12:26:38 pm     #  

BulldogBuckeye posted at 11:47:55 AM on Jan 29, 2018:

Help end this foolish debate: Its pronounced "M"-"osteria" correct? Or is is pronounced "Mosteria". And its "Oh-steria" not "Ost-a-ree-a"

I've been calling it "moist area".

Apparently I was way off.

posted by slowsol on Jan 29, 2018 at 01:06:52 pm     #   6 people liked this

Anyone have more info on this? Looking at Blade's real estate transfers, they have this listed from earlier this month:

"Urbanx Inc to Nicholas Nxt LLC An Ohio Limited Liability, 608 Madison Ave, Toledo, $0, (1/10)"

This looks to be the Nicholas Building.

posted by ckbeats21 on Jan 30, 2018 at 01:10:01 pm     #   1 person liked this

Whoops didn't mean to quote someone else's comment

posted by ckbeats21 on Jan 30, 2018 at 01:11:56 pm     #  

Listed as a 99 year sublease to a company listed in San Francisco, CA for no money.

Guessing some sort of accounting or legal maneuver.

posted by In_vin_veritas on Jan 31, 2018 at 09:40:01 am     #  

Also Urbanx Inc and Nicholds NXT LLC both list the same phone #

posted by In_vin_veritas on Jan 31, 2018 at 09:42:28 am     #  

At an adress of 236 W portal ave #413 94127 That is also home of Ergur Real Estate Group.

Sorry I will complete my research before posting next time

posted by In_vin_veritas on Jan 31, 2018 at 09:47:03 am     #  

In_vin_veritas posted at 09:40:01 AM on Jan 31, 2018:

Listed as a 99 year sublease to a company listed in San Francisco, CA for no money.

Guessing some sort of accounting or legal maneuver.

What would be the purpose?

posted by ckbeats21 on Jan 31, 2018 at 10:43:26 am     #  

Fowl and Fodder on Adams is now open for dinner. They will be open until 9 Monday through Saturday.

It appears the Cilantro's bit the dust for good.

posted by classylady on Feb 10, 2018 at 11:07:00 pm     #  

U-haul has completed their purchase if the Willis Day building.

Not a super exciting use imo but it's better than nothing

posted by ckbeats21 on Feb 12, 2018 at 07:25:30 pm     #  

ckbeats21 posted at 07:25:30 PM on Feb 12, 2018:

U-haul has completed their purchase if the Willis Day building.

Not a super exciting use imo but it's better than nothing

are they going to turn it into storage like they did on detroit near the OWE?

posted by upso on Feb 12, 2018 at 11:55:58 pm     #  

yep -
http://www.toledoblade.com/Real-Estate/2018/02/12/U-Haul-parent-company-completes-purchase-of-Willis-Day-building.html

5 of 6 floors, with ground floor used as retail by uhaul. agree that it's not exciting, but in this case? I think it makes some sense.

posted by endcycle on Feb 13, 2018 at 08:40:27 am     #  

I know Prater was after the building to do residential once ProMedica had walked away from it and their idea of a med/tech incubator space, but don't know any details about why U-Haul was chosen. Could have just been a higher offer.

The Warehouse District pushed U-Haul to look at other locations around downtown, maybe something less "in the middle" of everything, something more industrial--friendly, etc. With the pace of progress in terms of residential development lately, the thought was that keeping this building available for a developer would be the highest and best use, but ultimately, it's another free market issue.

There have been a number of protests from area residents who are not excited about the possibility of those bright interior lights shining all night long. I can only imagine what the residents with windows across the street in the Bartley will be thinking. The Warehouse District can restrict lighting and signage on the exterior, but there's very little authority over what someone can have on the inside. Just drive down I-75 at night to see how bright an interior light can be.

posted by Johio83 on Feb 13, 2018 at 08:57:40 am     #  

I love it. People in the warehouse district don't want a freaking WAREHOUSE in their district.

posted by justread on Feb 13, 2018 at 09:38:15 am     #   7 people liked this

Am impressed as well with a group who wants to control the lighting inside a structure belonging to someone else. What planet did they invade from? These are not control freaks...they are management enthusiasts.

posted by Mariner on Feb 13, 2018 at 10:08:17 am     #  

I'm hoping UHaul will be good neighbors and take the residential occupants into consideration. It's too bad that couldn't have been developed into residential.

I know a couple people living at the Bartley upset about how expensive their taxes are. Perhaps they can use UHaul as an excuse to appeal their values.

posted by classylady on Feb 13, 2018 at 10:28:51 am     #  

Itís not a control freak issue, itís merely ensuring that the two entities (UHaul and Bartley) can be good neighbors for each other. I rented on that side of Bartley many many years ago and itís literally staring right into the UHaul building. Yes, this is a city, and yes, most residents would accept the fact that they are in close proximity with other residents and businesses. This is more an issue of light pollution. The UHaul on Detroit is lit up like a christmas tree at night. There is no avoiding the blazing signage, and that is appropriate for the location. It is not, however going to sit well with anyone who has it shining into their home all night long. IMO residential would have been the best use for that building, but the free market will do as it will. Iím sure the Bartley folks are glad itís not a strip club...But without guidelines for architecture, lighting, and signage, the whole intent of creating a live, work, play atmosphere will miss the mark. It will be a jumbled mess that no one cares for.

posted by Brewster on Feb 13, 2018 at 10:37:30 am     #  

I agree it's not a control freak issue. No home owner is going to want a neighbor that is going to have lights glaring into their house the entire night. Uhaul is a national company and hopefully they have other locations with that situation.

posted by classylady on Feb 13, 2018 at 11:00:37 am     #  

Sucks when you buy an urban loft and urban stuff happens in the urban neighborhood.

posted by justread on Feb 13, 2018 at 11:09:31 am     #   8 people liked this

Know where you have pretty much zero chance of having a U-Haul storage facility with glaring light pollution next door? The suburbs. You wanted to live in the up and coming, hip, all the cool kids are doing it warehouse district. Put up or shut up.

posted by dell_diva on Feb 13, 2018 at 11:38:11 am     #   2 people liked this

Wait until a Kenny Rogers Roasters opens next to Standart.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Feb 13, 2018 at 11:57:50 am     #   3 people liked this

Curtains, blinds and/or shutters work well everywhere else...

posted by Mike21 on Feb 13, 2018 at 11:59:34 am     #  

I have darkening blinds in our unit that work great. If I were a Bartley unit owner though I would be worried about property values.

And it's not just people in the city that whine about stuff. People in the suburbs are continually whining about water surcharges from Toledo, using the same reasoning a few people are showing here then shouldn't the people move to a city that has their own water treatment facilities if they have an issue with buying water off the city? Or people who live by the airport and complain about noise.

Too bad carty wasn't still mayor, if bright lights become an issue for Bartley residents he could suggest moving the blind people to that side of the Bartley since the light wouldn't bother them just like when he suggested moving deaf people to the airport area:)

If I lived in the Bartley my bigger concern would be with crime.

posted by classylady on Feb 13, 2018 at 12:06:33 pm     #  

Real hipsters wouldn't complain about authentic urban life. It's clearly the nouveaux poseur hipsters that are getting their beards in a twist.

posted by JoeyGee on Feb 13, 2018 at 12:22:22 pm     #   4 people liked this

^^
Now THAT is funny!

posted by Foodie on Feb 13, 2018 at 12:58:25 pm     #  

I think itís great for Downtown and pushes us one step closer to new construction if the demand for residential increases!

posted by upso on Feb 13, 2018 at 01:13:41 pm     #  

Well, that's already happening.

posted by Johio83 on Feb 13, 2018 at 01:18:16 pm     #  

Oh yeah? Where at? Iím completely out of the loop it seems!

posted by upso on Feb 13, 2018 at 01:55:57 pm     #  

Can't disclose where yet, but there will be a condo development coming, all new construction.

posted by Johio83 on Feb 13, 2018 at 02:11:53 pm     #  

Great news! We need more condo's downtown that people can purchase. I'm hoping there will be restrictions that they have to be owner occupied and prohibit rentals

posted by classylady on Feb 13, 2018 at 02:16:34 pm     #  

Just saw a FB post that Pumpernickel's Deli in the Old West End is closing at the end of February.

posted by swampprof on Feb 13, 2018 at 02:24:52 pm     #  

How dare downtown people complain about something that could lower their property value. Now just you go and keep that jail down there it'll hurt my value in the burb. And don't you go in build that new Kroger it's against the Plain and will increase trafic. Once agian no hypocrisy here.

posted by In_vin_veritas on Feb 13, 2018 at 04:30:46 pm     #   2 people liked this

I started writing a long, witty comment and then lost steam.

Basically I think an active business is less likely to drop property values than a vacant building.

posted by slowsol on Feb 13, 2018 at 04:48:00 pm     #   1 person liked this

Didn't pumpkernickles use to be at another location in the Old West End then shuttered and reopened at the current location a few years later? I'm sorry to see them close but they had awful hours for people who didn't work in the area.

posted by classylady on Feb 13, 2018 at 05:10:19 pm     #  

In_vin_veritas posted at 04:30:46 PM on Feb 13, 2018:

How dare downtown people complain about something that could lower their property value. Now just you go and keep that jail down there it'll hurt my value in the burb. And don't you go in build that new Kroger it's against the Plain and will increase trafic. Once agian no hypocrisy here.

People who choose to live in the suburbs have a reasonable expectation that their area will remain suburban. People who choose to live in the warehouse district should have a reasonable expectation that their area will remain warehousey.

posted by Columbusguy on Feb 13, 2018 at 05:49:21 pm     #   1 person liked this

http://www.13abc.com/content/news/Ballroom-better-views-planned-for-Seagate-Center--473960143.html

I believe Johio talked about this a few months back. Looks like talks have begun with some decisions being made in next 45-60 days.

posted by Xbuckeyex on Feb 13, 2018 at 06:46:25 pm     #  

Columbusguy posted at 05:49:21 PM on Feb 13, 2018:
In_vin_veritas posted at 04:30:46 PM on Feb 13, 2018:

How dare downtown people complain about something that could lower their property value. Now just you go and keep that jail down there it'll hurt my value in the burb. And don't you go in build that new Kroger it's against the Plain and will increase trafic. Once agian no hypocrisy here.

People who choose to live in the suburbs have a reasonable expectation that their area will remain suburban. People who choose to live in the warehouse district should have a reasonable expectation that their area will remain warehousey.

This.

Besides, if I were going to rent an apartment in the warehouse district, I would want some warehouse space. I have stuff. This is a value-add for me.

posted by justread on Feb 13, 2018 at 07:11:28 pm     #  

classylady posted at 11:00:37 AM on Feb 13, 2018:

I agree it's not a control freak issue. No home owner is going to want a neighbor that is going to have lights glaring into their house the entire night. Uhaul is a national company and hopefully they have other locations with that situation.

There probably wouldn't be many complaints if that retail space was a glowing Apple store or Starbucks.

posted by JoeyGee on Feb 13, 2018 at 07:27:36 pm     #  

justread posted at 07:11:28 PM on Feb 13, 2018:
Columbusguy posted at 05:49:21 PM on Feb 13, 2018:
In_vin_veritas posted at 04:30:46 PM on Feb 13, 2018:

How dare downtown people complain about something that could lower their property value. Now just you go and keep that jail down there it'll hurt my value in the burb. And don't you go in build that new Kroger it's against the Plain and will increase trafic. Once agian no hypocrisy here.

People who choose to live in the suburbs have a reasonable expectation that their area will remain suburban. People who choose to live in the warehouse district should have a reasonable expectation that their area will remain warehousey.

This.

Besides, if I were going to rent an apartment in the warehouse district, I would want some warehouse space. I have stuff. This is a value-add for me.

My warehouse space is in the building I own downthere. As everyone one in Toledo informs my grocery stores are only in the suburbs and located with in 10 ft of their home so how dare people complain when one wants to open. I thought having one next door was the suburban dream. Honestly don't care about it. But will point out rampant hypocrisy when I see it. No suburbanites don't get to be the owners on NIMBY.

posted by In_vin_veritas on Feb 13, 2018 at 08:42:37 pm     #  

Most warehouses don't have bright glaring lights on the all the floors.

If it's an apple store or Starbucks their lights would be only be on the ground level not shining into residents windows.

They might not even use the upper floors. I don't see a demand for that much storage space from downtown residents.

posted by classylady on Feb 13, 2018 at 09:15:27 pm     #  

Most warehouses don't have bright glaring lights on the all the floors.

If it's an apple store or Starbucks their lights would be only be on the ground level not shining into residents windows.

They might not even use the upper floors. I don't see a demand for that much storage space from downtown residents.

posted by classylady on Feb 13, 2018 at 09:15:30 pm     #  

Most warehouses don't have bright glaring lights on the all the floors.

If it's an apple store or Starbucks their lights would be only be on the ground level not shining into residents windows.

They might not even use the upper floors. I don't see a demand for that much storage space from downtown residents.

posted by classylady on Feb 13, 2018 at 09:15:33 pm     #  

Most warehouses don't have bright glaring lights on the all the floors.

If it's an apple store or Starbucks their lights would be only be on the ground level not shining into residents windows.

They might not even use the upper floors. I don't see a demand for that much storage space from downtown residents.

posted by classylady on Feb 13, 2018 at 09:15:34 pm     #  

Most warehouses don't have bright glaring lights on the all the floors.

If it's an apple store or Starbucks their lights would be only be on the ground level not shining into residents windows.

They might not even use the upper floors. I don't see a demand for that much storage space from downtown residents.

posted by classylady on Feb 13, 2018 at 09:15:36 pm     #  

classylady posted at 05:10:19 PM on Feb 13, 2018:

Didn't pumpkernickles use to be at another location in the Old West End then shuttered and reopened at the current location a few years later? I'm sorry to see them close but they had awful hours for people who didn't work in the area.

Yes, they were originally where Black Kite is currently located. There clearly just wasn't demand for what they were offering. There are new owners of the building and I hope something interesting steps into the space.

posted by upso on Feb 14, 2018 at 12:22:37 am     #  

classylady, have you seen the u-haul at Detroit and Monroe? it's entirely lit up.

posted by upso on Feb 14, 2018 at 01:45:02 am     #  

classylady posted at 09:15:36 PM on Feb 13, 2018:

Most warehouses don't have bright glaring lights on the all the floors.

If it's an apple store or Starbucks their lights would be only be on the ground level not shining into residents windows.

They might not even use the upper floors. I don't see a demand for that much storage space from downtown residents.

The retail U Haul will be on the ground level, with parking accessible from Ontario. They will rent pickups and trucks up to 10 feet. They will offer storage units in most of the remaining floors. Like a warehouse. The entire building will not be "lit up."

They did a very similar project in Richmond VA at 900 N. Lombardy St. What does it look like? A red brick building with red covers on the windows on the first two floors. One U Haul sign. Not "lit up."

https://www.google.com/maps/place/900+N+Lombardy+St,+Richmond,+VA+23220/@37.5560368,-77.4543458,3a,75y,308.56h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sd-y6-a0Hctyme2fUSWt7HQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x89b1114c25396659:0xa38c1b34c03d135e!8m2!3d37.5564801!4d-77.4550486

posted by justread on Feb 14, 2018 at 06:12:53 am     #  

Ah, yes, a picture of it at midday. That definitely gives an accurate depiction of how bright it is at night.

The concern, again, isn't the lighting they have on the outside of the building, but the way they light up their interiors. The UHaul at Monroe and Detroit is lit from the inside, and it literally illuminates I-75 when you drive past it.

posted by Johio83 on Feb 14, 2018 at 07:53:12 am     #  

I'm sorry to see Pumpernickels go. Dennis makes the best cheese omelette in town.

Yes, I know it's eggs and cheese, but there are a million ways to get it wrong. He gets it right.

posted by Anniecski on Feb 14, 2018 at 09:15:34 am     #  

Johio83 posted at 07:53:12 AM on Feb 14, 2018:

Ah, yes, a picture of it at midday. That definitely gives an accurate depiction of how bright it is at night.

The concern, again, isn't the lighting they have on the outside of the building, but the way they light up their interiors. The UHaul at Monroe and Detroit is lit from the inside, and it literally illuminates I-75 when you drive past it.

Ah, yes, a picture of it at midday. That definitely gives an accurate depiction of how bright it is at night.

Lighting fixtures are not invisible. The equipment simply does not exist on that building to light the exterior. The first two floors don't even have windows for God's sake.

So much concern all over the place... for things that have not yet happened. We should ban storage businesses in the warehouse district. We should ban churches in Uptown. We should stop people from being able to do what we don't like.

posted by justread on Feb 14, 2018 at 09:23:46 am     #   3 people liked this

That's exactly the point of why people are concerned. It's one thing to have a business lit up on a first floor. It's another to have a 4th floor window with light bright enough to be seen from the other side of the river shining out of it at 3am, next to a residential building.

posted by Johio83 on Feb 14, 2018 at 09:38:39 am     #  

Room darkening curtains are 16 bucks on Amazon. They don't work against people riding Harleys at 3:00AM though.
So definitely, there should be a ban on 3:00AM Harleys.

posted by justread on Feb 14, 2018 at 09:52:41 am     #  

Lights are a part of living in an urban/downtown setting. Anyone ever been to Time Square in New York. You think they just turn everything off at midnight????????

Vegas, Tokya, LA, Miami - list goes on and on. You buy good curtains. I just was at Aria in Vegas - you could literally close the curtains at 3 p.m. and think its midnight. That's how good they were.

This isn't some huge problem, in fact, its not even a minor issue.

posted by Xbuckeyex on Feb 14, 2018 at 10:36:15 am     #   4 people liked this

Yes, actually. That's called a noise ordinance. There are no light ordinances in the city of Toledo, however.

posted by Johio83 on Feb 14, 2018 at 10:37:35 am     #  

Johio83 posted at 10:37:35 AM on Feb 14, 2018:

Yes, actually. That's called a noise ordinance. There are no light ordinances in the city of Toledo, however.

The lights should be easier to ban. They aren't going 45 mph down the side street at random times.

The noise ordinance doesn't stop the boom boom cars, either. Which is a concern.

posted by justread on Feb 14, 2018 at 11:03:30 am     #   1 person liked this

Why would there need to be bright lights on in the upper floors if it will be storage? Seems like a total waste. If the plans are for storage units I would think they would only have the hallways lit up.

posted by classylady on Feb 14, 2018 at 04:28:49 pm     #  

The bright lights are part of U-Haul's business model. They want you to drive by, be able to look straight through the building and see storage units that look clean and safe. Their building itself is an advertisement if they keep it lit up so you can see the orange doors inside.

Far fewer people would think about renting a unit there if UHaul was using a dark, multistory, bricked-over building ... something that looked like a warehouse :)

posted by viola on Feb 14, 2018 at 05:46:43 pm     #   1 person liked this

http://www.toledoblade.com/business/2018/02/15/U-Haul-says-they-ll-be-good-neighbors-to-those-near-the-downtown-Willis-Day-building.html

Looks like Uhaul aren't a bunch of morons after all. They understand the sensitivity of the residential area explain the difference between this site and the one off the express way.

posted by Xbuckeyex on Feb 15, 2018 at 09:31:21 am     #   2 people liked this

But muh panic and paranoia and assuming everyone is stupid and out to ruin our way of life....I think we should protest anyway... show them who is the boss.

posted by justread on Feb 15, 2018 at 09:40:24 am     #   3 people liked this

justread, do you think they'd be making these statements if not for the voiced concern of the neighbors?

posted by Johio83 on Feb 15, 2018 at 10:35:37 am     #  

Agree Johio, I'm sure there have been a lot of people voicing concerns in the warehouse district otherwise they wouldn't have published that article. And the residents of the Bartley have reason to be concerned over that, just like residents in the area where they are proposing building the jail have good reason to be concerned.

Uhaul is a huge corporation and I'm sure they deal with this issues in other cities. Sounds like they are going to be a good and considerate neighbor.

I've noticed most businesses and residents in the Warehouse District are considerate and take care of their properties and are considerate to their neighbors/the neighborhood (except the idiot parking lot owners who leave their sidewalks untouched all winter even when there is a sheet of ice on them like Sunday).

posted by classylady on Feb 15, 2018 at 10:42:08 am     #  

Johio83 posted at 10:35:37 AM on Feb 15, 2018:

justread, do you think they'd be making these statements if not for the voiced concern of the neighbors?

I think The Blade saw our conversation here, reached out to U Haul, asked them the questions and raised the concerns and did the story. I was hoping they would.

I don't think it was the march or the parade.

posted by justread on Feb 15, 2018 at 11:43:00 am     #   6 people liked this

Meanwhile, what to fear next based on nothing but our own thoughts.... hmmm. What if somebody stores meth supplies in the warehouse, and it blows up? What if everyone living at the Bartley is home when it happens? What if it takes out the fire station too?

Nothing about this is safe. :(

posted by justread on Feb 15, 2018 at 11:46:00 am     #  

justread, I know your whole MO on this site is to lob sarcastic comments, but what exactly is your issue with a neighborhood expressing their concerns about a significant real estate deal that could directly affect them?

And yes, it's called the "warehouse" district, because the buildings are former warehouses. Are you guys also up in arms that Old Orchard doesn't actually have orchards in it?

posted by Johio83 on Feb 15, 2018 at 11:49:17 am     #   5 people liked this

Johio83 posted at 11:49:17 AM on Feb 15, 2018:

justread, I know your whole MO on this site is to lob sarcastic comments, but what exactly is your issue with a neighborhood expressing their concerns about a significant real estate deal that could directly affect them?

And yes, it's called the "warehouse" district, because the buildings are former warehouses. Are you guys also up in arms that Old Orchard doesn't actually have orchards in it?

Yeah, that's my whole MO. You got me.

I find it fascinating lately how many people are proactively freaking out because of economic activity in formerly somewhat depressed areas. We wanted this. Now we got it. And the henny pennies have come out of the woodwork. From Uptown to the warehouse district come the cries of "Stop doing what I don't like" far ahead of anybody actually doing anything to anybody. It's the profound, anticipatory grief for future unknowns that is fascinating. If you don't like that fascination, you could personally attack me. Oh, wait...

posted by justread on Feb 15, 2018 at 12:14:40 pm     #   7 people liked this

Johio83 posted at 11:49:17 AM on Feb 15, 2018:

justread, I know your whole MO on this site is to lob sarcastic comments, but what exactly is your issue with a neighborhood expressing their concerns about a significant real estate deal that could directly affect them?

And yes, it's called the "warehouse" district, because the buildings are former warehouses. Are you guys also up in arms that Old Orchard doesn't actually have orchards in it?

There's a false equivalency between downtown and suburban neighborhoods there. There's a huge difference between what the expectations of each should be.

Hearing people who choose to live where the "action" is complain about things like lights outside and noise is silly in the same manner that hearing people who choose to live in the sticks complain that there's no "action" in their neighborhood.

posted by Columbusguy on Feb 15, 2018 at 12:16:42 pm     #   6 people liked this

justread, I didn't mean that to come off as a personal attack. Like when 6th refers to me as a downtown cheerleader - my comments are always pro-downtown, and yours generally tend to be pretty tongue-in-cheek statements.

I'm still wondering why you have objections to the next door neighbors making sure U-Haul isn't going to have gaudy lights like they do at other locations. And they said in the article today that they wouldn't be doing that, because of said concerns. So... isn't this exactly how all of this is supposed to go? Someone says "hey, I'm not sure I like this part of your plan," and the other party amends it?

posted by Johio83 on Feb 15, 2018 at 03:25:51 pm     #  

It's the profound, anticipatory grief for future unknowns that is fascinating. Churchill then JFK "We have nothing to fear but fear itself."

posted by Mariner on Feb 15, 2018 at 03:38:00 pm     #  

...FDR?

posted by Johio83 on Feb 15, 2018 at 03:42:38 pm     #   1 person liked this

No need to backpedal, Johio. Our comments stand on their own merits. I was clear enough for you to understand. You were clear enough for ANYBODY to understand.

Your suggestion of cause and effect and your insertion of a timeline is bullshit. I don't say that because you made me mad when you attacked me, but because it's bullshit. I don't give a fuck that you attacked me and my contributions. That's what people do when they are wrong and can't accept it. Just because you were early in your paranoia doesn't mean you prevented the coming bad acts. In fact, I think Uhaul should object to your assignment of bad intent to them, completely unproven. Maybe with legal action.

It's UHaul that you really attacked in this thread, not me. Suggesting that the attack change UHaul's evil plans is fucking laughable.

And I have nothing to do with UHaul, I am just allergic to bullshit.

posted by justread on Feb 15, 2018 at 03:50:28 pm     #  

Wait a second - I relayed what the situation was. I am not a resident who made any protests. In my original comment on this, I even said that his was another situation of the free market taking place (referring to my defense in the UpTown thread about the Bretz sale happening fairly)

posted by Johio83 on Feb 15, 2018 at 03:57:20 pm     #  

....soooooo.... uh... any new Mexican places opening up soon?

posted by endcycle on Feb 15, 2018 at 04:00:08 pm     #  

I don't know if you're having a bad day, or what. I normally think you're a pretty funny guy on here. Maybe I always just assumed you were saying things in jest when you actually weren't.

And you're kidding yourself if you think a nationwide business like U-Haul willingly went to a scaled-down lighting scheme for any reason other than comments from the community, especially with their own comments that said scheme is part of their typical advertising method.

posted by Johio83 on Feb 15, 2018 at 04:27:25 pm     #  

Knowing both you and justread IRL, I think some beers are in order.

posted by upso on Feb 15, 2018 at 06:41:25 pm     #  

I'll buy the first round

posted by Johio83 on Feb 15, 2018 at 06:50:06 pm     #   1 person liked this

Beers are ALWAYS in order.

posted by endcycle on Feb 16, 2018 at 10:59:18 am     #   1 person liked this

Toledo talkers should all meet up for drinks some night at a downtown bar or do a TT pub crawl for those of us who don't shoot guns:)

posted by classylady on Feb 16, 2018 at 11:31:15 am     #  

Toledo talkers should all meet up for drinks some night at a downtown bar or do a TT pub crawl for those of us who don't shoot guns:)

posted by classylady on Feb 16, 2018 at 11:31:17 am     #  

I'm out of touch here this year.

The latest to bite the dust...Pumpernickel's, rarely had more than a few visible customers. Maybe they had make-believe lines out the door, but I failed to notice.

The need for $ again has trumped the want for attention.

posted by 6th_Floor on Feb 18, 2018 at 10:39:24 am     #  

The construction at Adams and Erie has to be crushing Fowl & Fodder's business.

The Adams Street Cafe already has been looking like the next prime candidate for the TT another one bites the dust.

posted by 6th_Floor on Feb 18, 2018 at 10:44:54 am     #  

Yeah, that construction has been ridiculous. If I'm remembering right, didn't the city put notice out in December that they wouldn't be able to meet their end-of-year projected finish due to the weather? We're halfway through February now, and they still don't seem anywhere near completion. Also, I can't stand that excuse: did they not know that we get winters in Ohio?

posted by Johio83 on Feb 18, 2018 at 05:29:54 pm     #  

It mostly has been one lane of Erie blocked, with Adams at least still having northbound traffic. However, when I looked Friday and again yesterday there was a bunch of construction equipment parked along that block and the entire block of Adams was closed to traffic.

I think most of these places are cash burners, but I'd like to see them at least have a puncher's chance. When an entire public road is blocked, even perfectly ran businesses are bound to flounder.

posted by 6th_Floor on Feb 18, 2018 at 05:58:36 pm     #  

Only been in on weekends in AM but they didn't seem to be floundering that much. And I'd guess there weekday trafic is mostly foot traffic.

posted by In_vin_veritas on Feb 18, 2018 at 06:49:15 pm     #  

I ate an early lunch at Fowl and Fodder on Adams on Friday, and when I left at 12:10 every table was full.

posted by JohnnyMac on Feb 18, 2018 at 08:05:02 pm     #  

I hope Adams Street Cafť makes it. I like their food but the problem I have is their hours suck. I don't dine out much at lunch time and its hard for people who don't work downtown to go there. I think they would do great if they were open for weekend brunch. Bleakhouse and Fowl and Fodder have a great crowd on Saturdays. We had at Fowl last week and it was only us and one other table. They need to be advertising they are open nights.

We went to Poco Loco last night and a wait for a table and no room at the bar. It appears that Cilantro is closed for good this time.

I wish downtown Toledo had a place that was open late night on weekends.

posted by classylady on Feb 18, 2018 at 09:15:00 pm     #  

My wife ate at Fowl & Fodder Downtown Sunday. Said by the time she left around 10:30 every table was full. Also said Adams being torn up like it is was pretty terrible.

posted by webrioter on Feb 19, 2018 at 07:37:50 am     #  

Erie Street has been returned to its historical condition, circa 1845: A mixture of mud, rocks, and pools of icy water.

posted by JohnnyMac on Feb 19, 2018 at 09:06:33 am     #   2 people liked this

Ah yes Johnny I remember bringing the crops into market in those years under the conditions you describe. And there were no radar guns to deal with then either.

posted by Mariner on Feb 19, 2018 at 09:29:45 am     #  

6th_Floor posted at 10:39:24 AM on Feb 18, 2018:

I'm out of touch here this year.

The latest to bite the dust...Pumpernickel's, rarely had more than a few visible customers. Maybe they had make-believe lines out the door, but I failed to notice.

The need for $ again has trumped the want for attention.

Only went once, and.... well, we didn't want to go back.

Their hours were weird, the food was... meh... the service was fine (because we were the only people there besides the owners)... I will say tho that the prices were super cheap.

It's interesting tho that Black Kite seems to be absolutely thriving in the same building.

posted by endcycle on Feb 19, 2018 at 09:48:39 am     #  

There just wasnít demand from the neighborhood for a second option on that block. At least not when they opened. Since BK has bought the building, more development is in the works and if planned right, I could see other restaurants doing well. It would just have to be something unique and more of a destination to justify the location.

posted by upso on Feb 19, 2018 at 10:06:38 am     #   1 person liked this

I liked the food at Pumpernickel's the couple times we ate there but the hours are awful. If I dine in the Old West end it's usually either on Thursday or Friday after work or Sunday morning and they closed at 3 during the week, weren't open Sunday and not sure about Saturday.

I like Black Kite and they do a great business. We go to the Art Museum on Sunday afternoons a lot and it's nice to have a place to go for a beverage after seeing all the downtown coffee shops are closed and it's the only place close to downtown open later on Sundays.

Maddie and Bella coule profit by staying open later on Sunday. We were there after church yesterday and the place was packed and even at 12:50 when they trying to get rid of people to close there were still a lot of people there. Even if they stayed open until 3 they would probably still make a profit.

posted by classylady on Feb 19, 2018 at 10:48:04 am     #  

classylady posted at 09:15:00 PM on Feb 18, 2018:

I hope Adams Street Cafť makes it. I like their food but the problem I have is their hours suck. I don't dine out much at lunch time and its hard for people who don't work downtown to go there. I think they would do great if they were open for weekend brunch. Bleakhouse and Fowl and Fodder have a great crowd on Saturdays. We had at Fowl last week and it was only us and one other table. They need to be advertising they are open nights.

We went to Poco Loco last night and a wait for a table and no room at the bar. It appears that Cilantro is closed for good this time.

I wish downtown Toledo had a place that was open late night on weekends.

As one who works downtown on a daily basis, I try to make it to Adams Street Cafe every week or two. Their food is fantastic, and they're slammed every time I'm there around lunchtime. If you check them out on Facebook, it seems like they've started offering special meals and such on certain nights. They were doing fried Nashville hot chicken a week or two ago on a week night.

posted by ToledoTen on Feb 19, 2018 at 12:13:18 pm     #   1 person liked this

Yeah, they are now doing a set menu dinner every Friday.

posted by upso on Feb 19, 2018 at 12:30:49 pm     #  

For those that were curious, Greg's Grill is now open M-F 8am - 3pm for breakfast and lunch. Just north of Cherry on Summit in the building that was most recently Theo's. He's on FB if you're curious about the menu... Just look for Greg's Grill Downtown.

posted by upso on Feb 25, 2018 at 06:53:54 pm     #  

I've heard good things about Greg's but see he is only open until 3 monday to Friday and closed weekends. Hoping he increases his hours.

posted by classylady on Feb 25, 2018 at 07:31:17 pm     #  

Appears the Lunch Hour on Erie has reopened as Hot Box Bistro. We walked past there this morning and there was a sign in the window advertising gumbo. We couldn't find a menu on the door. Seeing all the construction going on in that area they need to be advertising they are open for business again.

posted by classylady on Feb 25, 2018 at 07:36:54 pm     #  

Appears the Lunch Hour on Erie has reopened as Hot Box Bistro. We walked past there this morning and there was a sign in the window advertising gumbo. We couldn't find a menu on the door. Seeing all the construction going on in that area they need to be advertising they are open for business again.

posted by classylady on Feb 25, 2018 at 07:37:10 pm     #  

Maddie & Bella is now open until 3 on Saturdays. They are doing so well on weekends I was told they are looking at extending their hours until 5 on Saturday and until 3 on Sunday.

Bleakhouse is open until 4 on weekends so will be nice to have a couple coffee houses to go to on weekends.

posted by classylady on Feb 25, 2018 at 07:48:45 pm     #  

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