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Interesting article by William Kristol:

THE WEEKLY STANDARD’s official reaction to last night’s Republican presidential debate: Yikes.

Reading the reactions of thoughtful commentators after the stage emptied, talking with conservative policy types and GOP political operatives later last evening and this morning, we know we’re not alone. Most won’t express publicly just how horrified—or at least how demoralized—they are. After all, they still want to beat Obama—as do we. And they want to get along with the possible nominee and the other candidates and their supporters. They don’t want to rock the boat too much. But maybe the GOP presidential boat needs rocking.

The e-mails flooding into our inbox during the evening were less guarded. Early on, we received this missive from a bright young conservative: “I'm watching my first GOP debate...and WE SOUND LIKE CRAZY PEOPLE!!!!”
created by pink_slip on Sep 23, 2011 at 08:11:01 pm     Politics     Comments: 35

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Lol nice cherry picking of a single comment. I guess we know who you are voting for next year.

posted by Linecrosser on Sep 24, 2011 at 12:15:30 am     #  

Want to hear crazy Obama Administration Set to Ban Asthma Inhalers Over Environmental Concerns, that's those damn asthmatics are killing the plant.

Skip down and you will see the Obama admin's continual hand outs to big pharm.

"But the switch to a greener inhaler will cost consumers more. Epinephrine inhalers are available via online retailers for around $20, whereas the alternatives, which contain the drug albuterol, range from $30 to $60." - Get them damn mouth breathes and save the ozone! Now that's crazy!

posted by dbw8906 on Sep 24, 2011 at 06:26:19 am     #  

Linecrosser, would it have changed the tone of the post if I used Kristol's quote at the top?

"THE WEEKLY STANDARD’s official reaction to last night’s Republican presidential debate: Yikes."
I'm quite sure you have no idea who I am voting for. (and neither do I)

dbw8906, what does your comment have to do with the post?

posted by pink_slip on Sep 24, 2011 at 09:20:15 am     #  

Because I'm sick and tired of the "zany republican" argument being used to cover to the absolute failure and stupidity of this administration.

They scream that Repubs want to jack your healthcare but the are proposing to double to cost of a medicine someone needs to survive and then force you to pay for a doctor's visit to get it, all in the name of "global warming". Yeah primatene mist is damning us all.
Captain Planet says fuck your lungs

posted by dbw8906 on Sep 24, 2011 at 11:41:04 am     #  

Sounds like you're just trying to change the subject, since one thing has nothing to do with the other.

posted by pink_slip on Sep 24, 2011 at 01:29:12 pm     #  

if you're sick of the "zany republican argument" you should stop posting then. but I do find your posts mildly entertaining though

posted by steve155 on Sep 24, 2011 at 03:38:26 pm     #  

Ok, dbw806. I'm taking your bait. After reading the source article about the inhaler ban, I noticed this:

"The FDA finalized plans to phase out the products in 2008"
Yeah, 2008.

posted by pink_slip on Sep 24, 2011 at 03:39:53 pm     #  

Right Fast and Furious letting THOUSANDS of guns walk, Solyndra, Light Squared, massive unemployment, continuation and furthering for foreign unsustainable wars... zany republicans indeed.

posted by dbw8906 on Sep 24, 2011 at 03:56:18 pm     #  

The ban may have been 2008 but they are the ones enforcing it.

posted by dbw8906 on Sep 24, 2011 at 03:59:49 pm     #  

Sounds like there was more than one administration involved. In fact, bans on CFC's go back to the Reagan administration. But hey, let's blame Obama-right?

posted by pink_slip on Sep 24, 2011 at 04:11:36 pm     #  

Check out Maureen Dowd's column this morning: "Why do Republicans want to be the stupid party?"

posted by shortysmom on Sep 24, 2011 at 04:54:43 pm     #  

The ban on inhalers was passed and enforced in 2008. My husband uses inhalers for asthma and noticed the increase immediately. The same thing happened with hair spray, cleaners, etc.

As a republican for 40 years before I became an independent I agree with Kristol's column. A mid west Ohio republican was fiscally conservative and socially progressive. When that changed I left.

posted by jackie on Sep 24, 2011 at 07:36:27 pm     #  

No pink_slip I'm not longer a republican because of the Bush admin but I'm sick of the Obama admin being the Teflon Don and then going "Bush" & "Tea Party" while they shit the bed. Both parties are giving it to us.

The Daily Show crowd made a living off "blood for oil" and the crony capitalism of the Bush White House but just close their eyes to things like letting THOUSANDS of guns purposely walk across the border that have killed AMERICANS going quietly into the night, cause "If you LOVE me (in best televangelist voice) you gotta pass this bill". We should "love" no President, we should honor them as a leader but "love" none. The cult of personality is absolutely unbelievable. BTW how is closing Guantanamo, and and black listed CIA bases working for you.

If you love me turn a blind eye to all my shortcomings.

posted by dbw8906 on Sep 25, 2011 at 04:37:27 am     #  

If you love me turn a blind eye to all my shortcomings.

I suppose it is human nature to do so, but I have noticed lately that the Daily Show has run pieces more and more critical of Obama. Now, they're never going to be as critical of Obama as FoxNews, which lives to piss all over Democrats, but I think it is indicative of Democrats disenchantment with the President. Obama gave us the impression that he was going to be a different kind of leader, but instead he has proven to be nothing more than a typical politician, and a relatively ineffective one at that. I really think that a third party candidate could do well in this election, picking up these Obama voters and the more conservative voters who don't like the idea of voting for Perry or Romney just because they aren't Obama. I don't know who that person is, but it could happen.

posted by Ace_Face on Sep 25, 2011 at 08:31:31 am     #  

My questions is why aren't the Dems screaming BIG Pharma or Big Health Insurance? Nothing to do with campaign fund? Or how about questioning the huge benefit the insurance companies will receive when everyone will be forced to buy insurance.

posted by Linecrosser on Sep 25, 2011 at 08:35:25 am     #  

DBW dont know what format that is above but firefox dont have a plugin for it.

posted by Linecrosser on Sep 25, 2011 at 08:36:47 am     #  

"BTW how is closing Guantanamo, and and black listed CIA bases working for you."
I'm not quite sure what your point is in asking this. Obama's record on civil liberties is atrocious, as is his record on ignoring the Constitution when it comes to protecting the Security State. He's been very Bush-like in this regard. And Ace is right--the Daily Show has been very critical of Obama.

But again, this has nothing to do with the post. Do you have any opinion of conservatives' disappoint with the current GOP candidates?

posted by pink_slip on Sep 25, 2011 at 10:06:10 am     #  

Oops. This:

"Do you have any opinion of conservatives' disappoint with the current GOP candidates?"

should have read "conservatives' disappointment with the current GOP candidates"

posted by pink_slip on Sep 25, 2011 at 10:07:51 am     #  

I'm very disappointed that they let money go to china to teach prostitutes to drink responsibly, and they wasted money on tunnels for turtles along with a 1,000 other stupid things.

posted by Linecrosser on Sep 25, 2011 at 10:13:28 am     #  

If the Republicans really wanted to win and were willing to give up ideological purity tests, they would nominate Huntsman. Obama's biggest fear is that Huntsman would catch fire or that Bloomberg would come into the race. I think Romney concerns them, but that they aren't too worried about Perry, who really is the simpleton that Bush 43 was (wrongly) portrayed to be, or Bachmann, who has said enough crazy stuff to fill more than a few campaign ads.

And as for Obama, I really believe that he (and all incumbents) should be subjected to a primary. He should be called to account for all the promises he has made and pressed on why he hasn't delivered. And "those mean Republicans" is not an excuse. He came into office with a mandate and squandered his opportunity. If he was going to ram something down the Republicans' throats, it should have been a health care bill that actually reformed the way health care is delivered rather than add more people to an already dysfunctional system and give more money to the insurance and pharmaceutical companies in the process. I think the administration was thinking that they didn't want to try anything that might not pass and instead went for the safe choice. I think Americans would have respected him more if he swung for the fences, even if it didn't work.

posted by Ace_Face on Sep 25, 2011 at 10:45:24 am     #  

Pink - my point is I'm sick of white washing his abject failure with the "it's all their fault" mantra towards the Tea Party. Shut up, lead, or get the hell out of the way.

Ace - I agree a 110% with you views on Perry, he would be a failure. While he may line up with my views on the 2A and some religious stances, I'm not electing a pastor or a sheriff, I'm electing someone to guide our country within the framework of the constitution. Romney and Huntsman are the same candidate, big business, big bank lovers who would do nothing but forward bailout nation and hope they could find a war that would "rescue" the economy. No the bullshit Limbaugh Repubs are afraid of only candidate.

Ron Paul 2012

posted by dbw8906 on Sep 25, 2011 at 11:51:14 am     #  

Ace, your thoughts on the president are spot on. Well said.

posted by pink_slip on Sep 25, 2011 at 03:54:12 pm     #  

I like Herman Cain, reminds a bit of Ross Perot, speaks plain English and sure sounds like he wants to fix the country instead of appease a portion of it.

posted by Linecrosser on Sep 25, 2011 at 05:58:34 pm     #  

Obama has been a disappointment and is much closer to that of a 70’s Republican than a progressive liberal. Republicans have moved that far to the right these days, a 70’s and 80’s Republicans (Reagan) are now ‘communists’. But let’s face it, my disappointment in Obama doesn’t mean I’m going to suddenly vote Republican.

That said, back to the topic of “We sound like crazy people.” We’ve had three Republican debates and you have conservative audiences cheering putting people to death, calls for the uninsured to die and the booing of a gay Iraq war vet. This all sounds crazy to me…

posted by SensorG on Sep 26, 2011 at 08:21:15 am     #   3 people liked this

posted by Linecrosser on Sep 26, 2011 at 02:41:22 pm     #  

Ah yes, the deficit. Conservatives keep telling us it’s the single most important challenge facing our nation. That if we don’t do something about, our way of life may cease to exist, but when Obama tries to have millionaires pay what they were during the booming Clinton economy, they scream socialism.

Conservatives tell us the to help fix the deficit we must cut SS, Medicare, Medicaid, infrastructure, disaster relief, teachers’ pay, police pay and firefighters pay. But to ask a millionaire to pay more taxes? That’s class warfare!

About that deficit? To quote Dick Cheney “Reagan proved deficits don't matter”…He should have said, they only matter when a Democrat is president.

The bulk of today’s deficit are the result of Bush and Republicans policies, the largest of which being the Bush’s unfunded tax cuts. Now Republicans are saying FEMA can’t provide bottled water to a disaster without cutting somewhere else, but have no problem borrowing money from China to wage two wars and give massive tax breaks to the rich.

posted by SensorG on Sep 27, 2011 at 08:25:04 am     #   3 people liked this

You mean like the tax break for corporate jet owners? The amount that would of been collected would of paid for running the government. . . . for a whole 2 days.

posted by Linecrosser on Sep 27, 2011 at 11:23:24 am     #  

Mr. G you are correct that Bush really kicked us in the goodie sack, but to give Obama a free pass to keep pissing on your leg and tell us it's raining is not the answer.

posted by dbw8906 on Sep 27, 2011 at 11:39:35 am     #  

I love it Linecrosser, you don't want to cut out loopholes because they don't generate enough tax dollars, but if some earmark that costs $100K goes to something you don't like you'll scream the loudest.

I'm not talking about tax loopholes, I'm talking about putting the tax structure for millionaires back to what it was during the roaring 90's.

posted by SensorG on Sep 27, 2011 at 12:14:43 pm     #  

dbw - so if two of the largest factors going into Obama's deficit are unpaid for wars and unpaid for tax cuts and Obama isn't allowed to even let some of the tax cuts expired as designed by Bush and the Republicans without being called a communist or allowed to pull troops without saying he's surrendering/cutting and running how is the deficit his fault?

posted by SensorG on Sep 27, 2011 at 12:32:49 pm     #   2 people liked this

He signed an extension of the tax cuts, has upped the amount of troops in Afghanistan, put troops on the ground in Libya (even after he claimed he would not), and is building bases through out Africa and SE Asia to fly around million dollar toy airplanes. HE IS GEORGE BUSH.

You can blame the Republicans all you want, the above where all decisions made by Obama without congressional voting.

posted by dbw8906 on Sep 27, 2011 at 12:59:17 pm     #  

Yes... as of Sept. 12th we have FOUR service men on the ground in Libya to help rebuild the U.S. Embassy.

So Obama = Bush? But Obama is “communist” , “fascist” , “socialist”, “anti-Christ” who wants to take all you guns away and eat your children, all while hatting America and wanting to see it fail at the hands of his secret black Muslim army from his home country of Kenya.

posted by SensorG on Sep 27, 2011 at 01:13:34 pm     #   2 people liked this

4 is more than none and last time I checked Vietnam started with a "couple of dudes".

By "take all your guns" you wouldn't mean he would run a false flag operation where he would let thousands of guns walk into Mexico in an attempt to make legitimate law abiding American gun owners and sellers look like bad guys? NEVER!

He has done everything you criticize for Bush for but heaven forbid you lay any of this at his feet. It's all the Republican's fault right, cause HuffPo says so.

posted by dbw8906 on Sep 27, 2011 at 01:41:29 pm     #  

It's not all Republicans fault. Obama is a 70's Republican who has repeatedly folded to Republicans and conservative Democrats at nearly every opportunity. I’ll give blame where blame is do, but to bash Obama for the deficit is asinine when you turn around and call him a socialist for trying to reduce it by putting taxes back to where they were before Bush became President.

posted by SensorG on Sep 27, 2011 at 01:51:54 pm     #   3 people liked this

I never said i favored keeping loopholes, the Dems are the ones who created the corporate jet loophole in the first place. I'm just saying why in the hell is he touring the country spouting off about corporate jets when he should be in his fucking office meeting with folks and get something done. No vacation, no golf, no campaigning, no fund raising. THE BUCK stops there try to be a man and do whats right not whats politically expedient. That goes for the republicans as well, stop whining put up a bill and pass it. Of course the republicans have done that only to have the Senate ignore it. I would rather hear that my reps were at work than out smoozing for votes any day.

posted by Linecrosser on Sep 27, 2011 at 04:44:43 pm     #   1 person liked this